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"The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:42 am

Hey y'all... :)



This time it's for real. This is going to be the last Buffy essay I write. Because - HAHAHAHA - soon there will be no more Buffy for me to write about. :party :party :party



I'm writing this one in segments, because I'm not yet sure how many segments there will be or how they will be organized. I thought I'd share the various pieces with you as I work on them. You'll probably even give me ideas or interpretations that I hadn't thought of before.



Ready? Okay, here we go with Installment #1:








When it comes to exploring why successful TV shows often fail in their later seasons, the man who wrote the book on the subject - literally - is award-winning author and screenwriter David Gerrold. He devoted the last third of his 1973 book, The World of Star Trek, to an analysis of what went wrong in Gene Roddenberry’s original 1960s series. Today, thirty years later, some of the things he had to say can be applied to Buffy as well.



Consider the following:



“Unfortunately, there were several things that tended to work against Star Trek as time progressed. These elements of decay can happen to any TV show. They can be identified as Format and Formula. Format becomes formula via Hardening of the Arteries and Erosion.”



What does that mean? First, let’s consider what Mr. Gerrold means by “format:”



“A format is a guide for whatever is to come later. It’s a flight plan for a series. But just like any other kind of flight plan, the slightest error will magnify itself over a period of time if it isn’t corrected or compensated for . The errors in a show’s original format will repeat themselves until they become so noticeable as to be annoying...



“Actually, mistake isn’t quite the right word. Let’s say ‘element of conceptualization’ instead. That is, something that seems quite workable in the first two or three stories may turn out to be a very rigorous trap by the thirteenth or fourteenth episode.”




Consider that while Joss Whedon had worked on the staff of Roseanne for a while, most of his work before Buffy - and the work he was best known for - had been in feature films. In various interviews Joss has talked about the story elements he liked to use in his movies, and if you watch Buffy you can see those same story elements appear. But an ongoing TV series and a feature film are very different. A feature film lasts anywhere from ninety minutes to three hours - the audience comes in, meets the characters, watches the story and then leaves. A TV series brings characters and stories into people’s living rooms week after week for years. Over time, something that works very well in a feature film can become one of the “elements of conceptualization” that runs a TV series into the ground.



Take, for example, two of Joss’s favorite “elements of conceptualization” - character deaths and relationships that end badly.



In the early seasons, events like these had the kind of impact Joss aims for. They were shocking. They surprised people. They communicated that - as Joss and his writers have said repeatedly - “nothing is safe.” But as the years wore on, the cumulative effect of these repeated events has been quite different. In later seasons, character deaths were no longer surprising - they were expected. Many fans became so busy trying to figure out the next “Big Scooby Death” that they paid less attention to the actual story or the individual episodes. The fan community fragmented as advocates for different characters began bickering over which character “deserved” to die next. The same goes for relationships, as advocates for different pairings bickered over which one “deserved” to go on and which one “deserved” to be broken up. As these repeated calamities continued, entire segments of the fan community turned away from the show. The ratings dropped.



And now look at Season 7. There are all sorts of new characters on the scene, but the fans show little interest in them. There are new relationships developing, but few people care. Why should they? If “nothing is safe,” then nothing is worth the emotional investment. Why bother getting excited about a character that could be killed off in a few episodes? Why bother getting excited about a relationship when you already know that it’s going to fail? And so here we are in Buffy’s final season, and the most common attitude among viewers - and former viewers - is indifference.



But there’s another “element of conceptualization” that is even more fundamental to the series and has turned out to be even more of a trap. And that’s the very nature of Buffy herself.



When Joss Whedon pitched the concept for Buffy, he went to the networks and said, “I want to tell a story about a girl who beats up the monsters instead of running from them.” And that’s what Buffy does. She beats up the monsters. For seven years, that’s what she’s been doing. Beating up the monsters.



But there are only so many ways she can do that. After you’ve seen Buffy stake fifty vampires, what reason do you have to stick around for number fifty-one? There has to be something else injected into the story - some kind of complication. And that usually means creating a monster that is harder for Buffy to beat up.



The early seasons came up with some creative ways to make Buffy’s life more difficult. At the end of the first season, she had to face her fear of the prophecy that she would die. At the end of the second season, she had to kill her lover. At the end of the third season, she had to become not just a Slayer but also a leader, organizing her fellow students into an makeshift militia.



But after that, things took a downward turn. In the later seasons, the emphasis hasn’t been on finding creative new ways to overcome an enemy. It’s been more on finding ways for Buffy to hit harder. Buffy can’t fight Adam? Fine, we’ll cast this spell so she can pack a mightier punch. Buffy can’t fight Glory? Fine, here’s a troll hammer she can use to beat Glory into submission. In Season 6, she faced an enemy who knew all about her need to hit things, and look what happened. Dark Magic Willow threw Buffy down into a pit and gave her other things to beat up instead, conveniently leaving the world primed for destruction. Fortunately for the world, Xander was there to save the day - but the last time I checked, the show was called Buffy the Vampire Slayer, not Xander the Yellow Crayon Man. It’s never a good idea to upstage the hero in the season’s climactic moment.



And again, here we are in Season 7, and apparently Buffy doesn’t even need help from anyone to hit harder now. She can’t fight the Ubervamp? Fine, she’ll just make a few speeches and get herself all revved up, and then the monster is no trouble at all. She didn’t even need to get the troll hammer back out. The overall arc of the season has become so predictable that many viewers have come to regard the first seventeen or eighteen episodes as little more than filler - and that’s what the fans are saying. Is it any wonder that the ratings are so low?








Up next - more on "Hardening of the Arteries" and "Erosion." Stay tuned.



"If you are going to give a new message to the world, you will do so without being conscious of it yourself. If you set out to do it consciously, you will fail because you will be trying to pose; and the man who poses is insincere." - Charles V. Stanford

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 2/28/03 12:34:23 pm
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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby WebWarlock » Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:25 am

Ok once agian Bob a good one.



Let me get into the specific bits...



Quote:
Fans spent more time trying to figure out the next “Big Scooby Death” and less time watching the actual show.




Hard call to make. How about "Fans spent more time trying to figure out the next “Big Scooby Death” and less time other thematic elements. " or something.



and this,



Quote:
The fan community fragmented as advocates for different characters began bickering over which character “deserved” to die next. The same goes for relationships, as advocates for different pairings bickered over which one “deserved” to go on and which one “deserved” to be broken up. As these repeated calamities continued, entire segments of the fan community turned away from the show. The ratings dropped.




this is very important and feel was actually encouraged by ME. They liked to see the fans fight each other. Did "Trek" do this? Did ANY show? Were the Riker/Troi shippers fighting it out with the Worf/Troi shippers? Were there such things?



Your last bit is dead on, you might want to tighten it up a bit.

In addition to the fans you can mention how the critics, which normally fawn over Buffy are yawning as well. Phil Rosenthall from the Sun Times would be a good quote.



Point out that the ratings started bad and then went on a steady decline.



These are only my opinions. Your last five articles were very successful with or without my input! ;)



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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby gspiggott » Fri Feb 28, 2003 7:15 am

Bob ,this one might take you a while.I like that you discuss the formula of the show ,because the enslavement to said formula limited and ultimately crippled Buffy. I think the moral rot that is JW's world view is what really killed the show but that's just me. Drew Godard posted on the BB and said they were ,"Trying to bring you the best entertainment this side of Charmed."Keep it up you're a needed voice in the wilderness.,

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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby Jimmi Magnus » Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:24 am

Bob, looks good as always. But the sentence:

Quote:
Someone wake me when it’s over.


should not be in there, in my oppinion. It gives the essay a feel of "not serious writer".

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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby sam7777 » Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:37 am

Bob: Great start! I like that you address how the fan community fragmented. This may have been what ME wanted but it came back to bite them in the @ss when they tried to launch Fireshit and Angel has also suffered the effects. I stopped watching Angel after last season and I'm sure that I'm not the only one.



When you are done you should submit it to Buffy.nu. I like the way thay have forums to discuss the articles. They will prolly be receptive sine they put up your Buffy vs Charmed piece.

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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby 2trew » Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:04 am

Very nice. I don't have anything concrete, but one of the things that you might address is the perception (perhaps unique to me) that ME began spending more time trying to manipulate the fans than trying to produce a show they'd want to watch.

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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby superherofan » Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:29 pm

ME cares so much about shock endings that they don't care if it makes sense or what impact it will have on the storyline, let alone the fans.



Didn't Tim Minear say something to the effect that Joss is best at inflicting pain on the audience? If the goal is to inflict pain, then eventually the fans are going to get tired of getting hurt. And if the punch has to get bigger and bigger to make an impact, then the audience is much more likely to leave the show as the "threshold of pain" increases.



Those were just a couple statements or wordings that maybe you can use.

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Re: "The End of Mutant Enemy" - A Work In Progress

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:04 pm

Quote:
I think the moral rot that is JW's world view is what really killed the show but that's just me.




Have patience, gspiggott. I'm still getting to that. :shy



This really is an enormous subject, and I don't quite have my brain wrapped around all of it yet. Hence the piecemeal writing and posting. But I think we'll have everything in place by the time the show ends.



Installment #2 is coming later today...



Edited to add: As I go along, I'll be editing the older installments based on changes I want to make and on the things you suggest. I've already done that for installment #1 now.

"If you are going to give a new message to the world, you will do so without being conscious of it yourself. If you set out to do it consciously, you will fail because you will be trying to pose; and the man who poses is insincere." - Charles V. Stanford

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 2/28/03 12:35:31 pm
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Installment #2

Postby BBOvenGuy » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:08 pm

I had to write this twice today in order to get things the way I wanted them. There's more for me to write on this particular subtopic, too, but I thought I'd get this section posted. A lot of it is a recap of things I've said in earlier essays:








Let’s look next at the first of David Gerrold’s two ways that Format turns into Formula - “Hardening of the Arteries.” He describes it this way:



“Considering the first process of decay as it applies to a television series, every time something is postulated or established in a continuing series, from that episode on, every writer who works with the format must be aware of that condition. If it is shown in the Star Trek universe that the galaxy has an edge which blasts spaceships to smithereens, then you cannot write any episode about the Enterprise going into intergalactic space unless you explain how the starship gets around the galaxy’s energy barrier.



“Thus, hardening of the arteries is the process by which a television show gradually limits itself by setting up conditions which will affect all episodes that will come after. Producers are always a little bit wary about expanding on their formats because ... they might inadvertently set something up that could backfire and severely limit them in the future.”




In other words, as a show progresses from season to season, the plot developments in each story create an increasingly complex web of continuity to keep track of. If the producers aren’t careful, it’s easy to establish something that over time comes into conflict with one or more basic tenets of the series - and that’s where real trouble begins.



Consider what has happened with Willow over the course of the series. She was always a valuable member of the Scooby Gang, but in Season 4 and especially Season 5 her role became increasingly important as her magical abilities grew rapidly. By the end of Season 5, even Buffy was acknowledging that Willow was the most powerful member of the team - and that couldn’t be allowed to stand. The show is called Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The show’s basic premise doesn’t allow for Buffy to be upstaged as the hero. Willow had to be put back in her place.



People at Mutant Enemy claim that the plan was always for Willow to gain great power in order to tell a story in which that power consumed her and turned her evil. The addiction story arc that culminated in Willow’s Dark Magic persona is supposed to have been the ultimate goal of Willow’s story all along. There’s nothing really wrong with telling that kind of story, if it’s told properly - but the limitations imposed by Buffy's already hardened formula got in the way.



Consider Willow’s character as she had been established over the first five seasons - incredibly brilliant but incredibly insecure. Magic had given her confidence, because it was something she could excel at and something she could use to fight evil. It made her special and powerful. With Buffy dead after the battle with Glory, Willow took charge of the gang, and magic played an increasingly large role in the way she handled her new responsibility. It’s easy to imagine Willow not wanting to go back to being Number Two. Sure, she might try to give Buffy the leadership role again, but her power and the confidence it gave her would have inevitably caused friction between her and the others. During the first few episodes of Season 6, this is exactly what we saw. Willow became increasingly dependent on casting spells to do everything and as a result she started to become isolated from her friends.



Had this storyline been allowed to continue, it’s reasonable to assume that Willow would have isolated herself even more, forsaking the others as she searched for even more power. Such a course of action could have easily led to the Dark Magic Willow persona that was supposedly the point of the entire story arc. Not only that, but the Dark Magic Willow persona could have come into being much earlier in the season, creating more interpersonal conflict and more drama for more episodes. And in the end, something in the final battle could have caused Willow to “burn out,” effectively putting her “back in her place” as someone subordinate to Buffy. Season 7 would have told the story of Willow’s recovery and return to her place in the gang. There would have even been a place for Tara, who could have been there to help Willow back to health and teach her a more proper Wiccan respect for the elements.



That’s how things could have been done - but unfortunately, the Buffy formula wouldn’t allow it. The formula demanded the same old seasonal arc elements that had come before - relationships that end badly, “surprise” character deaths that by Season 6 were no longer surprising, and a lot of sitting around waiting for an apocalyptic battle to occur in the final episode. The demands of the formula changed Willow’s problem so that she was no longer tempted by power but instead was just a magical version of a drug addict. Instead of seeing Willow lured ever deeper into dark magic, we got to see her sitting around trying to go cold turkey. Her Dark Magic Persona didn’t come out naturally, but instead had to wait until the point in the season that the formula demanded, and by that time there was nothing natural at all about the way it came out. Many people have claimed that Tara’s death in “Seeing Red” was necessary because an addict like Willow had to lose everything in order to hit bottom and start to recover, but this line of argument doesn’t fit the facts of the story. Tara’s death was not the result of Willow’s addiction. Warren wasn’t in the Summers back yard with a gun because of Willow’s addiction. Tara wasn’t standing by the bedroom window because of Willow’s addiction. In fact, Willow had largely overcome her addiction by the time Tara was killed. Tara’s death was not so much an instance of Willow hitting bottom - she had already done that in “Wrecked” - as it was a message that climbing back from the bottom is futile, which is another story entirely. And so what we got was not a new and interesting story about Willow and power, but instead was just another permutation of the same old pattern that we’d seen before.



And worst of all, the entire addiction storyline as it played out in Season 6 didn’t even solve the problem of having stories depend too heavily on Willow’s magic. In Season 7, the writers have continued to use her powers as a plot device, dealing a heavy blow to the show’s already-strained credibility. If Willow’s a magic addict, then why is she still using magic? If she’s not an addict, then why hasn’t she been punished for the things she did as Dark Magic Willow? The continued need to limit Willow’s power has led to all sorts of plot contrivances. In one episode, she casts a spell on herself without realizing it. In others, her Dark Magic persona comes and goes without much rhyme or reason. And in one recent episode, she sucks energy from two people against their will in the middle of a spell. “You were the most powerful person nearby,” she later tells one of them. “That's how it works. It's how I work.” It was an explanation that left many scratching their heads and wondering, “Really? Since when?”








I might have another installment up later today, but I'm not sure. We'll see.

"If you are going to give a new message to the world, you will do so without being conscious of it yourself. If you set out to do it consciously, you will fail because you will be trying to pose; and the man who poses is insincere." - Charles V. Stanford

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Re: Installment #2

Postby WebWarlock » Sat Mar 01, 2003 10:24 pm

Part 2 is excellent. It really hits at the "Tara had to die" and "Willow is still dealing" lines of bullshit for what they are.



No comments yet. Mulling some thoughts.



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Re: Installment #2

Postby justastraightdog » Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:22 am

Hope it's ok to express some of my own thoughts about the addiction arc here. I have to get this out of my system, and I hope at least some of it makes sense.:



IMHO Entropy/SR could have been an interesting turning point in the addiction arc. If they'd used it in a way that could come as a surprise for those, who don't know much about addictions: The very dangerous moment when things are "good" again. Losing Tara had already been used to send Willow spiraling down in TL and after TR. Using it again is repetitive, predictable, boring, a complete no-brainer, not to mention that it doesn't make any sense in the addiction plot.



Magic was a big part of Willow's life as a Scooby and as Tara's lover long before the things went out of hand in TL. With Tara's return, this life is back, the conditions that lead to the drug abuse are re-established. And Willow hasn't changed, she stopped using magic to get her life back, she never dealt with the reasons behind her addiction. The much needed talk was skipped. And in a situation like that, and as a twist, a thought-provoking way of storytelling, it's the small things that are dangerous, the every-day routine which is the real challenge.



Willow is an addict. That means, that the substance itself (in this case magic) has become the trigger - that's the nature of the beast. If an alcoholic has a loving and caring family and a good job or if he lives alone on the streets, doesn't matter, the moment he drinks a glass of wine, the consequences are exactly the same. So, in Willow's case, the tiniest little spell, even if it's done out of the joy of having Tara back, would have triggered DMW.



"they might inadvertently set something up that could backfire and severely limit them in the future."



And Wrecked is the perfect example. With junkieWillow it became impossible to kill off Tara without undermining the whole Willow/Magic/Darkness arc. As I said before, using the "Willow loses Tara" motif again is a no-brainer, a perfect example of creative bankruptcy. This tainted and spoiled the whole DMW arc, what was meant as the big climax of six years of Willow's character developement, fell flat and - even worse - became unintentionally funny in the end. And it was impossible to kill off Tara because of the formula of the show. They always need a Scooby with magic abilities, and since Willow is an addict now and can't use magic without dare consequences, they needed Tara to do the job. Or they had to come up with plotholes, dicontinuities and inconsistencies, big enough to destroy the whole structure of the show.



This doesn't mean that the show inevitably jumped the shark with Wrecked. The addiction arc has limited the show in many ways, but it also opened up some new doors. Especially for the character of Tara, who now had a huge potential for the seventh season, apart from being just Willow's lover.



S7 returns to the big outside threat formula of earlier seasons. This brings the Scoobies closer together again - only this time it's a mere physical closeness. But Tara, as the only available spellcaster, would have been a vital part of the gang, and with that, she could have played her role as a moral center much more convicingly, thus becomming a possible crystallization germ for the gang to become a family again. And at the same time, Tara has to come clear with her own mistakes from S5 and S6. Of all people, Tara should have seen early on what was going on with Willow. Was leaving her alone the right thing to do? And wasn't returning, the way she did it, a selfish mistake - giving in her own (sexual?) needs instead of doing what was best for Willow at that moment?



Everything sunshine for Tara and Willow? By no means. Keep in mind that in this scenario it was them being happily together that triggered DMW. It'll be a very bumpy ride, without an end that's easy to predict. Fits nicely into the parallelism formula the show loves to use for its storylines. This relationship has as many or even more problems to deal with than B/S or X/A. But if we compare the potential of actually telling this story with that of telling a "Willow grieves a little and then falls in love with someone new" story for the n-th time, the decision of what story is worth being told and could help the show staying fresh, is one of the easiest decisions ever.



Willow's mindset wouldn't be much different from that of the actual seventh season. Only that she could act true to character and didn't have to deal with all those huge gaping plotholes from Villains, Grave and Lessons. Now she knows that staying away from magics and getting her soulmate back doesn't help a thing. Now she really has to fight her inner demons - which makes an even more thrilling storyline without an easy solution, with the urgency that comes from the outside threat and the possibility that Tara (and Buffy, Dawn and Xander) may actually help her.



And not to forget that the limitation from Wrecked, that Willow can't use magic easily again, could have been used to set up a great fundamental dilemma. Just assume that they find out that Tara isn't powerful enough (which in itself is a storyline with a big potential), that the Scoobies need Willow's powers for something big. Compare "Get it Done" as seen on screen and a "Get it Done" which uses this premise and backstory. Could have been a little bit more than a lame D-plot, simply by staying consistent to the storline and true to the characters and by taking full advantage of the possibilities of the addiction arc, instead of mindlessly wasting not only one, but two important and beloved characters in its course.

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above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars for ever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell.

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Re: Installment #2

Postby Blue Pariah » Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:55 pm

Quote:
Just assume that they find out that Tara isn't powerful enough (which in itself is a storyline with a big potential), that the Scoobies need Willow's powers for something big.




You know, this could work just as well the other way around. What if they go through a whole bunch of agnst thinking Tara isn't powerful enough, just to discover that when she finally really pushes herself magically, Tara is much more powerful than anyone (including herself) ever though.



With so much of Willow's self-confidence wrapped up in her ability to pull off the big spells, what would happen when she finds out that the Scoobies don't need her power any more. In fact, if someone had been willing to push Tara earlier, they may have never needed her magical abilities.



And just think about how the role-reversal would effect W/T's still fragile relationship! Story potentials galore!

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Re: Installment #2

Postby BBOvenGuy » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:27 pm

JASD (and others), by all means feel free to explore your own ideas on the end of Mutant Enemy. There's no law that says my essay has to be the only one. :shy



Installment #3 probably won't be ready today, but maybe tomorrow.

"If you are going to give a new message to the world, you will do so without being conscious of it yourself. If you set out to do it consciously, you will fail because you will be trying to pose; and the man who poses is insincere." - Charles V. Stanford

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Re: Installment #2

Postby gspiggott » Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:51 pm

I like this because in discussing the formula you turn it into a dsicussion of what ME is saying about Willow and her magic . Actually you could use any manner of mishandled subjects from season sux.Spuffy, the value of a soul ,etc.I'm not watching season severed but I can't make out why Willow was consumed with dark magic(evil) , went off with Giles as the great white father figure to learn how to control said dark magic, and now it flares up at inconvenient times like herpes. Everyone around Willow seems fine with this.It's part of what I meant earlier about JW's world view. Good doesn't stay that way , virtue is sullied by vice ,and evil wins. That's often the case but not always .The scoobies used to fight evil and now all of them are tainted.They've befriended Andrew for crying out loud, who a year ago and certainly season 5 scoobies wouldn't have allowed in the house. And who they probably would have given a good beating to yet this season he's presented as likable.There's a reason that existentialism appeals to teenagers,and I don't think it was an accident that JW had Angel reading Sartre's Nausea in season 3. JW seems unable to relinquish ideas the rest of the world has discredited.Can't wait to read more.

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Re: Installment #2

Postby BBOvenGuy » Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:33 pm

Quote:
now it flares up at inconvenient times like herpes.




I love this imagery! Can I use it?

"If you are going to give a new message to the world, you will do so without being conscious of it yourself. If you set out to do it consciously, you will fail because you will be trying to pose; and the man who poses is insincere." - Charles V. Stanford

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Re: Installment #2

Postby friskylez » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:05 am

All i can say is great beginning Bob, if ME, JW and the writers put a tenth of that kind of thought provoking writing into the series, we would still have Tara and some wonderful stories for this season..



Interesting thoughts by JaSD and others as well...To bad the kittens cant buy the rights to Buffy, the series and use some of their ideas in a new show produced, written and directed by " the kittens" .:D




"Life is what happens while waiting for your ship to come in"



Edited by: friskylez  at: 3/4/03 5:31:42 am
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Re: Installment #2

Postby gspiggott » Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:48 am

Bob, I would be honored.

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Re: Installment #2

Postby The Angry Lion » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:49 am

great work as always bob :)

Amber Benson has an eatable butt!

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Re: Installment #2

Postby Firefoot » Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:18 am

Bob,



In one episode, she casts a spell on herself without realizing it. In others, her Dark Magic persona comes and goes without much rhyme or reason.



You might also mention that Willow's magical abilities in general come and go at the whims of the writers. I'm thinking in particular of the episode this season when Buffy started speaking to her and Xander telepathically. The only other time we'd ever seen this sort of thing happen was in "The Gift," when Willow talked to Spike telepathically, but it was Willow who initiated the contact. Since when would Buffy--a Slayer, not a witch--be able to initiate this contact? If Willow had started the conversation, that might have made at least some slim sense, but the way it was presented made it look as though Buffy is inately telepathic (and we know she's not; a demonically-induced telepathy almost drove her mad back in "Earshot"). And if she could communicate mentally with her friends, why had she never done it before? And why haven't we seen her do it since?



There are dozens of examples all over the place, but this is just one glaring instance of how the internal structure and logic of Buffy has steadily eroded over the years. The rules of the Buffyverse laid out in the early seasons have been completely disregarded, or they change from episode to episode at the whim of writers too lazy to work their plots within the established frame. You might point to that as one of the many weaknesses that have seriously undermined the dramatic credibility of this series.



Great job so far! :clap I look forward to more.



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Re: Installment #2

Postby Sheridan » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:02 pm

Bob, just IMHO but I thikn the loss of the creative tension caused by the removal of WB's strict editorial policy would be worth bringing up. It seems thing fell apart as soon as Joss was free to do what he wanted.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Installment #2

Postby Ben Varkentine » Wed Mar 05, 2003 4:19 pm

Bob, great essay so far--one of your best, especially the second part.

In response to Sheridan's suggestion, though, I think coming out against artistic freedom and/or pro network interference would get you into some very dangerous waters...

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Re: Installment #2

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed Mar 05, 2003 5:21 pm

"Restrictions are often a writer's best friend -- they force him to be CREATIVE." - Joss Whedon at the Bronze, May 4 2000



Yeah, any time you start advocating restrictions on artistic freedom, you're getting into dangerous territory. But at the same time I'm not sure I can resist pointing out the above quote. Especially since I agree with it.

"Sure it's simple, writing for kids. Just as simple as bringing them up." - Ursula K. LeGuin

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Re: Installment #2

Postby The Rose24 » Wed Mar 05, 2003 9:37 pm

JSD,



I'll take it a step further and say Willow should have given up magick altogether, and Tara should have taken over being the witch of the group. Willow can still be the sweet, brainy computer hacker. Her hacker skills have always been valuable.



Maybe this is what you were saying?

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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New Installment

Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:37 am

I'm not sure if this is Installment #3 or just #2a. I have more in my head that I might write tonight. And best of all, the overall flow of the total essay is starting to take shape.



Here you go...








There are other ways that hardening of the arteries can occur, too. One of the more subtle and serious ways is when the individual characters become locked into a set pattern of responses. It’s easy to look back at Season 6 of Buffy and see this process happening all over the place. Buffy would start an episode being depressed about life and would then have some sort of realization that would get her to the end of the episode - but by the start of the next episode, she would be depressed about life again. Willow moped around being depressed about her magic addiction. Dawn was good for little other than whining and shouting “Get out! Get out! Get out!” Anya was there for sex jokes and money jokes, and Xander was there to worry about growing up. When characters become locked into place like this, it limits the show’s ability to tell anything other than variations on a single theme.



For example, consider the story of Buffy and Spike.



In Season 5, Spike’s obsession with Buffy made a sort of sense. Personally, I always thought it was a subconscious sublimation of his former desire to kill her - if he couldn’t conquer her through combat, he would do it through sex instead - but the show ended up casting him in a more romantic/heroic light, and it worked well enough. But once Buffy and Spike got together in Season 6, everything changed. It was as if the Mutant Enemy writers suddenly remembered that Spike was supposed to be evil. With Buffy already locked into a depressed and dysfunctional state, the combination created a cycle of mutual abuse that left both characters scarred. Spike crossed one line after another, from being able to fight Buffy to running dangerous magical contraband through Sunnydale to attempting to rape Buffy, and yet Buffy refused to do anything about it. In fact, she kept going back to him - but only so she could take her turn beating on him. And it went on, episode after episode, confusing many viewers and turning many more away.



In Season 7, Buffy and Spike may not be having sex any more, but they’re still locked in essentially the same cycle. Spike now has a soul, but it’s hardly made a difference in his character. Previously we saw that Angel with a soul was a completely different person from Angelus without a soul, but Spike is still just Spike. And Buffy will neither draw closer to him nor push him away - even when it’s discovered that the First Evil can turn him into a dangerous killer again, Buffy simply lets him be. The ongoing cycle has become ridiculous in its repetition.



And that’s what happens when hardening of the arteries takes place in character relationships. When logic is replaced by repetition, the credibility of the storyline evaporates. Consider the death of Tara - throughout the final episodes of Season 6, there were two vengeance/justice demons running around Sunnydale. Did nobody think to contact one of them and wish her back to life? If Anya wouldn’t have been willing to do it for Willow, then surely Halfrek - already established as a champion of neglected children - would have been willing to give Dawn her surrogate mother back. But everyone was so locked into their pre-established patterns that what should have been an obvious thing to do - it was certainly discussed on the internet a great deal - went completely ignored.



And speaking of Anya, what exactly was the point of making her a vengeance demon again? For all practical purposes, we saw her accomplish only one significant act of vengeance, and that was immediately taken back, along with her powers. And why is Anya still hanging around now that she’s human again? What is she doing? At one time she had a love of money - you’d think she’d be interested in getting the Magic Box up and running again. But instead she doesn’t seem to be good for anything beyond the occasional sex joke.



In fact, most of the show’s long-running characters haven’t had much to do in Season 7. It’s become one of the major complaints from the people still watching the show. But most of the long-running characters have been locked so solidly into their set patterns that the writers don’t really know what to do with them any more. They’ve had to turn to newer characters that haven’t had time to solidify - yet.








That's all for now. More to come, sooner or later...



"Sure it's simple, writing for kids. Just as simple as bringing them up." - Ursula K. LeGuin

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 3/5/03 10:43:33 pm
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Re: New Installment

Postby TwiLightJoy » Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:58 am

I'm thinking ... the only reason Anya went back to being a demon was probably so she could teleport for Two To Go/Grave. (Though really, is this a power we've seen vengeance demons use before? Was it just me totally surprised that vengeance demons could teleport??) Because really, how else are you going to save nerds faster than dark magic can eat them alive? We couldn't very well have Willow kill all three of them, could we? Then it wouldn't have been as easy for them to ignore it the following season.



As for why she is still around, Anya herself has pointed out that she is still around "to provide much-needed ... sarcasm." This followed immediately by Xander reminding everyone that that was his role.



Great work as alway, Bob. Looking forward to more!



~Joy

Tara: Um ... that, that was funny if you, um, studied Taglarin mythic rites ... and are a complete dork.

Riley: Oh, then how come Xander didn't laugh?

Xander: I don't know that Taglarin stuff.

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Re: New Installment

Postby gspiggott » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:44 am

Bob , you're certainly getting the bang for your buck with this hardening of the arteries section.The piss poor plot choices ME made turned into wholesale destruction of the characters and the story well... it's in smoking ruins too.JE did say that they had Anya become a demon again so she could teleport into the jail. The excuse being her rejection by Xander drove her back to the evil of her former ways. When Angel lost his soul after a moment of perfect happiness with Buffy it was tragic and ironic.With Anya it was petty and senseless and no thought was given to the consequences ,unlike Buffy and Angel.Good doesn't matter any longer.Totally agree with you on Halfrek but I think JW was so unwilling to sacrifice his big image of a bloodied ,shattered Willow driven to evil that he paid to no attention to the increasingly large pile of red herrings he was creating. Of the original scoobies who had the kindest heart ,well our Willow of course.But anybody can turn evil and people you think are good can be the most evil of all.This was the big message delivered with all the subtlety of Michael Bolton shrieking a Motown song into submission.

The last minute switch with Spike where instead of removing the chip he gets his soul back treats the two as if they're equals. The chip that keeps him from harming innocent people is on par with a soul ,and a soul is something so valuable it can be obtained by demon kick boxing and letting bugs up your nose.After writing about this stuff for six years this is what they think? On Angel they don't let five minutes pass without stressing the importance of a soul so why is it so unimportant now? Oh, because of the attempted rape in SR and they don't know what to do with the character anymore. Having raised a serious issue they don't really have an answer to the question. Again. Sorry for the rambling , but I just found your latest offering very thought provoking.It's J'Accuse for a tv show.



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Re: New Installment

Postby DianaBouvier99 » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:05 am

Hi BB,



Part 2a or 3 started off well enough but then it degraded into a rant. This is a weak example because I'm rushed for time this morning.



Quote:
In Season 5, Spike’s obsession with Buffy made a sort of sense. Personally, I always thought it was a subconscious sublimation of his former desire to kill her - if he couldn’t conquer her through combat, he would do it through sex instead - but the show ended up casting him in a more romantic/heroic light, and it worked well enough. But once Buffy and Spike got together in Season 6, everything changed.




You started out each point, like the one above, with a very good point only to let your bitterness come out at the end.



Quote:
The ongoing cycle has become ridiculous in its repetition.




The word ridiculous is rather harsh. I agree with you and its used correctly, but the one thing your essays have going for them is that they have never become rants. In this part the anger you feel at ME for ruining your muse (Willow) jumps out at me.









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Re: New Installment

Postby Firefoot » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:54 am

Bob wrote:



Quote:
Spike crossed one line after another, from being able to fight Buffy to running dangerous magical contraband through Sunnydale to attempting to rape Buffy, and yet Buffy refused to do anything about it. In fact, she kept going back to him - but only so she could take her turn beating on him.




This is probably the most generous and tactful description of Spuffy I've ever read. Congratulations, Bob--you're a master of understatement. :grin



TwiLightJoy observed:



Quote:
(Though really, is this a power we've seen vengeance demons use before? Was it just me totally surprised that vengeance demons could teleport??)




Hmm, as I recall, Giles was able to summon Anyanka via a spell in "The Wish." That suggested to me some ability to come and go, although perhaps not entirely at will.



And gspiggott added:



Quote:
JE did say that they had Anya become a demon again so she could teleport into the jail.




What got me was that she popped back and forth between Giles and the hole Buffy & Dawn were stuck in, without either one of the Summers sibs suggesting she bring them a rope or a ladder, or Anya thinking of it herself.



And:



Quote:
The excuse being her rejection by Xander drove her back to the evil of her former ways. When Angel lost his soul after a moment of perfect happiness with Buffy it was tragic and ironic.With Anya it was petty and senseless and no thought was given to the consequences ,unlike Buffy and Angel.




It seemed to me that here, the writers were completely disregarding "The Wish." (Oooh, big surprise there--as far as Whedon et al are concerned now, the early seasons basically never existed). Anyanka as we first saw her was one vicious, nasty little bugger, who openly reveled in the chaos and destruction that Cordelia's wish had triggered. Even in "D'gang," she didn't seem remotely distressed by the arrival of Vamp Willow, and in fact (as I recall), was more than happy to join forces with the vamps if it would mean getting her powers back. One would think that after a couple of humiliating years as a mortal, she would revel in her newly restored mojo, but instead of wreaking havoc, she turned into Florence Nightingale. Her "I'm back" revelation to Buffy and Xander was one of the most wasted moments of the season finale; Xander especially should've been quaking in his boots, but he scarcely blinked. The dramatic potential of a friend suddenly becoming a dangerous foe was squandered in a moment of tepid anti-climax... not unlike DM Willow, come to think of it.



And finally...



Quote:
Totally agree with you on Halfrek but I think JW was so unwilling to sacrifice his big image of a bloodied ,shattered Willow driven to evil that he paid to no attention to the increasingly large pile of red herrings he was creating.




Ah, yes, the tail wags the dog...



Especially with Anya being a "kinder, gentler vengance demon," one would think she'd have thought of it, and offered the other Scoobies the chance to make a wish. Even if Willow couldn't be reasoned with at that time, any of the others--Xander, Buffy, Giles, and especially Dawn--could've simply wished Tara back to life. And if she hadn't offered, surely one of the others would have asked (again, especially Dawn, who was so visibly grief-stricken over Tara's death, and who had been only too willing to try to resurrect her dead mother the previous year). If I want to fanwank, I suppose it's possible that Anya couldn't reverse Tara's death because of some "natural order of things" hokum, but jeez, in the third season she literally created an alternate reality; surely that's far more in violation of any "natural order" than merely restoring one mortal to life!



[Another interesting possibility is that if Halfrek had, for example, fulfilled a wish for Dawn, that might have had unexpected consequences in season seven. More dramatic potential lost.]



My point is that, as with the plots, there is simply no continuity with the characters. Anya started her tenure as evil, became human, spent two seasons bitching to anyone who'd listen that she hated (and feared) her mortality, finally got her powers back, but then showed a great reluctance to use them, either for good or ill. And none of the other characters, with whom she was ostensibly at least on civil terms (Buffy, Dawn) or very good terms (Giles) thought to ask her to use her newly-gotten abilities on their behalf--either for a simple request such as a ladder, or a major boon such as returning Tara to life. (And why didn't Willow ask this of her when she returned from England and Anya was still a demon? If Willow hadn't been "wronged" by a man, no woman on earth ever has).



So, this is just one of the many things that has killed this show--the total disregard for common sense that has resulted in a long series of completely disjointed episodes, where the characters either go through the same motions and spout the same dialogue in every story, their motivations continually re-invented, their prior histories disregarded, the underlying logic and structure of the universe abandoned, and everything made up as the writers go along.



Is it any wonder this series, once one of the sharpest on television, has sunk so low in the ratings, and is now ending its run, not with a bang but with the proverbial whimper? :spin



Great work, Bob--you're as thought-provoking as ever. :clap



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Re: New Installment

Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:30 pm

If you think I'm ranting, you should read the David Gerrold original. My comments about Buffy are tame and diplomatic compared to his comments about Star Trek. :shy But I see your point. That's why this is a work in progress



The next section is on the subject of "erosion" - as you'll see, it covers a lot of the same ground. In the final version of what I'm writing, I'll probably combine them and then move on to the issue that's at the heart of the matter - the fact that story and characters alike have been twisted around so they served the needs of the storytellers, especially Joss and his vision. That's the ultimate goal. I'm still figuring out exactly how to get there.



Edited to add: Firefoot, I thought about the "natural order of things" argument against Anya or Halfrek bringing Tara back myself, but then I remembered that Anya brought the Master back to life when she created Cordelia's wishverse. It certainly would have been doable.

"Sure it's simple, writing for kids. Just as simple as bringing them up." - Ursula K. LeGuin

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 3/6/03 10:35:29 am
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Re: Installment #2

Postby Sheridan » Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:18 pm

Quote:
In response to Sheridan's suggestion, though, I think coming out against artistic freedom and/or pro network interference would get you into some very dangerous waters...




I am not talking about any restriction of creative freedom simply the inevitable trade off between the creator and the distributor. No different from what you get between a writer and an editor. If someone at WB did an excellent Job of editing Joss' ideas so we only got what worked on screen I don't think that's censorship, its just part of the process, and one that clearly broke down after the move to UPN.

And if you do see it otherwise then I have to say JW's behaviour makes a pretty good case for network censorship.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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