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Re: Herc reports Angel's renewal

Postby helpful information perha » Wed May 14, 2003 9:59 am

UPN isn't looking very proactive in its programing



and look who the show runner for their one new drama is!

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Greenwalt to Run 'Jake 2.0' as UPN Sets Series Orders

By Brian Ford Sullivan



CHICAGO (thefutoncritic.com) - UPN is all set to order four new comedies and one new drama next season as the struggling network put the finishing touches on its fall schedule yesterday.



Here's a breakdown of the latest rumblings:



-- So far UPN has ordered just one new drama series: "Jake 2.0," a sci-fi action drama from writer Silvio Horta. Former "Angel" and "Miracles" showrunner David Greenwalt has signed on to the series which comes from Viacom and Roundtable Entertainment. He'll produce the drama with Horta, Gina Matthews and Grant Scharbo. As for its current dramas, the axe will swing on "The Twilight Zone" as "Jake 2.0" is set to be paired with "Enterprise." "Platinum's" fate however has yet to be determined.



-- On the comedy front, UPN has given series orders to four new comedies, all from Warner Bros. Television. As expected, the Will and Jada Pinkett Smith-produced "All of Us" and rapper Eve-led "Opposite Sex" got pickups, as did the Anthony Payne comedy "Rock Me Baby" and the redneck-themed "The Mullets."



-- All four of UPN's current comedies - "The Parkers," "One on One," "Girlfriends" and "Half & Half" - are set to return with two of them expected to move to a different night in order to tentpole a new two-hour comedy block.



-- Overall, UPN has made noise that its new comedy block could wind up on Wednesdays in order to avoid putting "Enterprise" against the WB's newly relocated "Smallville." The "Star Trek" series, along with "Jake 2.0" would then shift to Tuesday nights. Its Friday movie is also expected to remain intact.

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given the show orders here by WB for midseason replacements - I expect at least one of the dramas (tarzan/fearless/angel) maybe two (if they can get a show runner for GG spin off) to get the midseason hook ... If they are going to start the GG spin off its a lock for tue at 9 - which means the 9pm show fearless moves or gets canceled - and that still leaves them at least one other new drama they are hot on (one tree hill - 13 eps ordered) to start - so

depending on who performs best (tarzan/fearless/angel) one or two of them look to exit mid season



perhaps once smallville is established on wed - they will give it a new partner and then juggle the rest of the dramas deck chairs to up the overall network ratings average -- in any case if angel can't build an audience/or at least hold smallvilles lead in - I see a mid season exit.







The Futon's Upfront Notes: The WB

By Brian Ford Sullivan



CHICAGO (thefutoncritic.com) - As a supplement to the press releases issued by the networks, here's an addendum to all the fanfare that went on at each upfront presentation:



-- The WB's Thursday lineup turned out slightly different than expected. "Steve Harvey's Big Time" and "The Jamie JFK Experiment" were originally pegged for the 9:00/8:00c hour. The two will instead open the night followed by returning comedy "What I Like About You" and newcomer "Run of the House."



-- As for midseason orders, the Frog committed to six episodes each of "The Mayor" (Happy Madison/Sony), "The Help" (Original Productions/Warner Bros.) and the reality series "Make My Day" (Monkey Television UK/Brad Grey Television). The WB also picked up six episodes of the still untitled "Gilmore Girls" spin-off (Warner Bros.) in addition to its backdoor pilot. That order however is contingent on Warner Bros. finding a showrunner for the series. Lastly, the Frog's largest midseason commitment went to "One Tree Hill" with a 13 episode order.

Edited by: helpful information perhaps at: 5/14/03 9:14:35 am
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Re: Greenwalt

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed May 14, 2003 10:50 am

I like David Greenwalt and I liked Miracles. I've said this before, but I'll say it again - David Greenwalt had nothing to do with what happened on Buffy in S6 and S7, so I don't think he deserves to be tarred with the same Mutant Enemy brush.



My only concern about Enterprise and Jake 2.0 is the talk of UPN moving them to Tuesday and running sitcoms on Wednesday. My Tuesday is already spoken for by Gilmore Girls and Fearless.



And speaking of Gilmore Girls, I liked last night's quasi-pilot for the Jess spinoff. It's got some potentially good characters and the same GG's sense of fun. I hope they find a showrunner for it.

"The first task of anyone, lest you get canceled, is to entertain people, because they ain't there for message." - Dick Wolf

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Re: UPN

Postby sam7777 » Wed May 14, 2003 11:20 am

Thanks HIP! I'm guessing that UPN is holding off on spending alot of money until they hear about the lawsuit from the Fox owned affiliates. They are still $40million in debt. Since I gave up on Enterprise last season, I won't be tuning in next season. UPN just has too many commercials for me to put up with unless I really want to watch a show and nothing on their schedule is calling to me. I'm a huge trekker so I was sorry to give up Enterprise but the show just got too boring for me last season and I've learned (from X-files and Buffy) to just cut my losses when I don't enjoy a show anymore. I even skipped on on the Star Trek: Nemesis movie. I'm just trekked out.



IMHO UPN is the most likely network to go if there is a network shakeout and/or they have to pay a huge settlement to their Fox affiliates. UPN is still searching for a strategy for their schedule that works.



ETA: HIP was just putting out information and not asking anyone to watch of not watch. As for me, I don't care about Greenwalt one way or another. I certainly won't make any particular effort to watch his shows or avoid them. I was never an Angel fan so his efforts there don't sway me one way or the other.

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Re: Herc reports Angel's renewal

Postby WebWarlock » Wed May 14, 2003 12:28 pm

About David Greenwalt.



As far as I am concerned he was the only thing that made Angel watchable. The fact that he left and left Angel with out a show runner for a time only endears me to him. I am more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that alone.



Also like Bob said. He had nothing to do with the Tara nightmare. I even wonder if it would have happened on his watch.



He can stand on his own merits with me.



The rest of them? Fuck em.



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Lies? Not from Joss

Postby DaffyQDuck » Wed May 14, 2003 8:46 pm

I wasn't sure where to put this..didn't see it in cliche or spin...since we haven't seen the spin yet, thought I'd go for deathspiral.

From TVGuide.com It was in News & Gossip, you'll see the title if you want to vote.



LITTLE WHITE ONE?: Monday's official announcement that Buffy the Vampire Slayer's reformed vamp James Marsters (Spike) would be crossing over to Angel full time next season must have caught exec producer Joss Whedon by surprise. I spoke to Whedon on Thursday and asked him point-blank whether Marsters would be an Angel regular next season should the WB pick up the drama. His unequivocal response? "We have made no decision about that — at all." So, either Whedon is A) way out of the loop, B) a big fat liar, or C) rich and indifferent. What do you think? Cast your vote via the link at the bottom of this column.

It wasn't our world anymore, they made it theirs and they had fun - Willow

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Re: Greenwalt

Postby Willowlicious » Wed May 14, 2003 10:14 pm

I suppose there wasn't a "d) all of the above" option?

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Re: Angel

Postby kajo 2000 » Thu May 15, 2003 6:51 am

From charisma-carpenter.com:



Quote:
5-13-03: The WB announced today that ANGEL has been renewed for a 5th season. You can read the announcement here. As many of you will invariably notice, Charisma Carpenter is no longer listed as a cast member.



We are able to confirm today that, as per the WB cast listing, there are no plans at the present time for Charisma to return to the show. However, if the opportunity presents itself, the possibility exists that she could return as a guest star or in a series recurring role (similar to Lorne). For the fifth season, Andy Hallett and James Marsters join the cast as series regulars.



For those of you wishing to voice your concerns over this change, we will be providing addresses for you to write in the next couple days.


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Re: Angel

Postby Sheridan » Thu May 15, 2003 7:00 am

Quote:
For those of you wishing to voice your concerns over this change, we will be providing addresses for you to write in the next couple days.




This would be voicing concerns as in complaining bitterly? Is this an official CC site? If it is it hardly sounds like this was a willing decision on Charisma's part.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Angel

Postby kajo 2000 » Thu May 15, 2003 10:11 am

From TV Guide Online:



Quote:
Entertainment News

Thursday, May 15, 2003

by Michael Ausiello




WHAT ABOUT CORDY?: Is new-mom Charisma Carpenter off the WB's Angel? According to new press materials released Tuesday by the network — in which Carpenter's name is conspicuously missing from next season's Angel cast list — it would appear so. A show rep insists no official decision has been made, but Carpenter's agent all but confirmed it when she didn't return the two phone calls I left for her yesterday. (I'll give her one more day to get back to me, and then I'll trash her in this column.)



In related news, TVGO readers overwhelmingly believe Joss Whedon flat-out lied to me when he insisted that a deal to bring Buffy regular James Marsters to Angel next season was nothing more than a rumor. Thanks to all who voted.


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Re: Angel

Postby Sheridan » Thu May 15, 2003 5:24 pm

Interesting thing happened tonight; my brother still watches Buffy and Angel. In fact a few weeks ago he told me he didn't want to hear me badmouthing the shows anymore. Well tonight I walk in while he's watching Angel to get my jacket and seeing an unfamiliar face in the show and can't help asking who it is. Within a few seconds he's telling me how he realises I was right, they've ruined the characters and screwed up the show. He was still watching but it was a case of he's come this far and he wants to see how the season ends. If he is remotely representative then ME could have big problems next year. How many fans will see out the season and then simply give up? Especially if there is no Cordy next season? Anyone willing to take a bet on Angel going below a 2.0 share?

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Angel

Postby helpful information perha » Thu May 15, 2003 5:54 pm



well given that angel's final ep had half a million viewers bail out for the second half hr - I'd say your brother wasn't the only disappointed angel fan



with cordi not returning - look for angel to drop a whole lot of viewers

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Re: Angel

Postby Sheridan » Thu May 15, 2003 7:21 pm

Quote:
with cordi not returning - look for angel to drop a whole lot of viewers




Hmm so not going to get many takers for that 2.0 then...maybe 1.5?:)

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Angel

Postby tyche » Thu May 15, 2003 7:57 pm

So it looks like they've fired Charisma for no other reason than to make way for James Marsters. Classy way to reward staff loyalty, Joss.

Incidentally, the WB's own website lists Marsters as the second-billed regular for next season. Charisma's name is nowhere to be seen:

www.thewb.com/Shows/Special/0,11116,114399||,00.html

btw, I run a Wesley list:

groups.yahoo.com/group/defendersofwesley/

and quite a few members are pretty annoyed at the decision to bill Marsters above Alexis Denisof. Marsters is a newcomer to 'Angel', and Denisof has been there since the first season, so people are understandably pissed off.

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Re: Angel

Postby gspiggott » Thu May 15, 2003 8:32 pm

Poochie comes to Angel.

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Re: Angel

Postby AlteaThree » Thu May 15, 2003 8:47 pm

This seems to fit Joss very well: has kid, woman goes bye-bye. He does it in his shows so often, I guess he wants to try it in real life, too. Cordi is a big part of "Angel", and "Angel" much more fragile and is unlike cast-changable Law and Order or even ER, both of which still have good writing on their side. "Angel" doesnt have that, and without Cordi is bound to fail, even with Spike, because...

James Marsters is a great actor and should really, Really REALLY run FAR away from Spike. It's such a poorly written character, and has been used for too many plot twists, that if I were JM I would be running anywhere...to big-movie career, an indie-movie career, even as a redshirt on Enterprise!

Take it from Seth Green, from wonderful Amber Benson, from funny Alyson Hannigan-run like the wind away from Joss and ME!

"Hey, did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical college too?"

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Re: Angel

Postby Sheridan » Fri May 16, 2003 1:46 pm

Joss, despite a lot of talk about being a feminist, seems to have only one plot line for female characters; build them up and then knock them down.

Buffy was a hero who sacrificed herself to save her friends. Now she's a whiny bitch who turns to an attempted rapist for comfort.

Willow went from shy loner to a powerful witch with her soulmate. Now she's an emotional cripple with a callous so called girlfriend.

I could go on but we know the litany of disasters culminating with dropping Cordy from Angel. I shudder to think what JW is like at home.:spin

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: SMG

Postby kajo 2000 » Sun May 18, 2003 1:44 am

This message was posted at the JossBtVS Yahoo! Group:



Quote:
Sandys5506

Sun May 18, 2003 1:58 am


Please STOP Blaming SMG/Nikki has already told the facts



Nikki Stafford (author) of Bite Me! (An Unofficial Guide to the World of Buffy the Vampire Slayer) has already stated that she interviewed Joss and he said that EVERYBODY knew from a meeting at the beginning of the season that this was the last season, and that everybody would be "iffy" about it publicly, so that SMG could make the announcement when she was ready.



He'd already stated it was 'his' last season, regardless. Marti and Alyson had been saying it felt like the last one.



So, we keep hearing people making statements blaming SMG for ending the season without notice!


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Re: SMG

Postby Sheridan » Sun May 18, 2003 2:59 pm

I always assumed that when UPN took a two year contract that it was because seven seasons was as much as some of the people involved, including SMG, were willing to do. The idea that SMG somehow killed the show sounds like a nasty bit of ME spin.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Angel

Postby AmbersSecretAdmirer » Mon May 19, 2003 5:53 am

I agree on one point and disagree on another.



I agree that ME's attempt to claim that SMG was responsible for Buffy's demise is to deflect attention away from the real culprits - themselves!! I do think that it was going to finish after this year regardless of what happened, 7 years is a long time for any show, regardless of quality.



However, I've never been a big Cordy fan and I think that Angel will be no better or worse for her departure, although it should have been done in far better circumstances. I also notice that Vincent Kartheiser is also not on the cast list for next season, this I am happy about because his character was really going nowhere and his storyline has ended nicely for him.



WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE DONE THAT WITH WILLOW AND TARA!!

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Re: Angel

Postby kajo 2000 » Mon May 19, 2003 9:14 am

From Sci Fi Wire:



Quote:
Acker Ponders Angel Future

9:00am ET, 19-May-03



Amy Acker, who plays Fred on the recently renewed WB series Angel, told SCI FI Wire to expect visits from old Buffy the Vampire Slayer cast members next season. "I know that they're going to be bringing ... hopefully some of the girls from Buffy, like maybe Alyson" [Hannigan, who played Willow], Acker said at the Saturn Awards ceremony on May 18. "We're all hoping that she'll come do a couple of episodes at least. We figure [Angel cast member and Hannigan fiance] Alexis [Denisof] has a pretty strong pull. We're working that angle."



But asked about the reason for the reported departure of Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) as a regular cast member, Acker said, "I haven't even heard that officially. I guess it's official, but I'm not sure. ... Probably, she's been doing it for a long time, and now she has the baby, and she's a mom. So she has two jobs now."




From E! Online:



Quote:
Watch With Kristin

grill, gossip & gripe


May 19, 2003



From gaelgirl: Please tell me Connor is out of Angel-land forever.



Kristin: According to Tim Minear or David Fury on the Succubus Club (an Internet radio show), Vincent Kartheiser will not be coming back for more than an episode (or so) next season.



From beckygene: Speaking of Tim, will he be back on Angel?



Kristin: Variety lied - Tim ain't gonna be on Angel next year; he's exec-producing a mid-season replacement called Wonder Falls, about a girl who works in the souvenir shop at Niagara Falls, and to whom Hummel figurines talk. Described as "Touched by a Crazy Person" and/or a combo of Amélie-Ghost World. It actually looks very good.



From freddiemac: Any Angel scoop?



Kristin: I'm hearing that Charisma not being a regular might not be entirely her decision. Also hearing that the "Grrr, Argh" peeps are contemplating the return of another former Sunnydale face (who is not currently on Buffy) to come to Angel next season - in a recurring role.



From indigorose: Not currently on Buffy? Please tell me you're referring to Seth Green!



Kristin: Nope. A female.



From musicbuf: Is the other Sunnydale alum Harmony?



Kristin: Ring-a-ding-ding! This is all very tentative for the moment, but I hear producers are hoping she can come back to Angel to fill some of the Cordy void.


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"I want to be Byron... because I want to date young boys." Amber Benson

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Re: SMG

Postby jixer » Tue May 20, 2003 3:27 pm

Hello Kittens-



I can see the fight now:



"You take her!" "No, you take her!" "I'm not taking her!" "You take her or I'll stake you!"





Spike, Harmony and maybe notWillow and JFK: ME's power offer for the WB.





jixer

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Re: SMG

Postby sam7777 » Tue May 20, 2003 3:29 pm

As long as it ain't Aly, I can rest easy. I gave Angel a miss this season and plan to give it a miss next season. Never was a real fan of the show so it's no loss to me.

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Re: SMG

Postby Sheridan » Wed May 21, 2003 1:12 pm

I suspect this is 'tentative' in the sense that ME dreamed it up but haven't actually looked at the little details; like asking the actress if she wants to do it for example.:spin

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Angel

Postby sam7777 » Wed May 21, 2003 3:47 pm

I bet that Spike will take over and push the other male actors into the background. The character I see more likely to fade away is Wesley. Giles faded away on Buffy when Spike came to the fore and I see the same happening on Angel.



Sheridan: Agreed I like Alexis but ME seems prepared to dump anyone for Spike.

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Re: Angel

Postby Sheridan » Wed May 21, 2003 5:25 pm

If they cut into Alexis' role that will guarantee no guest shots by Aly, so sort of a good thing, though I would feel a little bad for Alexis.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Angel

Postby kajo 2000 » Wed May 21, 2003 11:28 pm

From Zap2it:



Quote:
'Angel' Will Keep 'Buffy' Torch Lit

Wed, May 21, 2003 07:29 PM PDT

by Rick Porter

Zap2it, TV News




LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - We learned in the third season of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" that death isn't necessarily final for vampires with souls.



That should be good news for James Marsters. He's scheduled to join the cast of "Buffy" spinoff "Angel" next season, but when we last saw his character, the ensouled vamp Spike, in Tuesday's (May 20) "Buffy" finale, he was disintegrating after quite literally pouring his soul out to defeat the First Evil. Jordan Levin, president of The WB Entertainment, is curious as to how Spike might be reintroduced to the world of the living.



"We're awaiting word from [creator Joss Whedon] on that as well," Levin says. "He's obviously a very creative person, and he hasn't let us down in the past. I'm sure he'll figure out a way."



Levin also confirms that other "Buffy" characters are scheduled to make appearances on "Angel" next season. However, Charisma Carpenter, who played Cordelia on both shows, will not return.



Although "Angel" was considered to be on the bubble to return for a fifth season, Levin says the decision to pick it up was relatively easy. The network was guided in part by the way another of its series, "Dawson's Creek," ended its run this season.



"We think it was the right thing to do for Joss, the right thing to do for the fans," he says. "'Dawson's Creek' taught us the value of being able to provide closure to a show that's been important to the audience and to the people who worked on it, including us at the network. With 'Angel,' we felt like it would have been extraordinarily abrupt to have brought it to an end, brought the whole 'Buffy' mythology to an end."



As Marsters and other "Buffy" cast members migrate to "Angel," so might some of the series' behind-the-camera talent. Whedon will devote more time to his sole remaining show next season, and Levin says The WB is negotiating deals with a handful of "Buffy" writers to move to "Angel."


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"I want to be Byron... because I want to date young boys." Amber Benson

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THe WB's short term memory

Postby sam7777 » Thu May 22, 2003 10:41 am

Thanks Kajo!
Quote:
Levin says. "He's obviously a very creative person, and he hasn't let us down in the past. I'm sure he'll figure out a way."
Nice spin Levin. Joss has let them down in the past and even insulted the network. Remember this:

www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/23/buffy/
Quote:
"Buffy" producer Josh Whedon is happy with the move. He's still angry over critical remarks ex-WB head Jamie Kellner made to Entertainment Weekly about "Buffy"'s value to the network. (Kellner is now chairman and CEO of Turner Broadcasting.)



"I've been dumped by my fat old ex, and Prince Charming has come and swept me off my feet," Whedon told Variety. "I'm mostly very excited because I now have a network that cares about my show, as opposed to one that insults it."
tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnews...html?17336

Quote:
As announced by 20th Century Fox Television and UPN late on Friday, April 20, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" is officially relocating to UPN this fall, ending a five-season run on The WB. The deal comes at the end of a protracted war of words involving series creator Joss Whedon and producing studio 20th Century Fox on the one hand, and The WB on the other.
www.cesnur.org/2001/buffy_april01.htm

Quote:
A statement from WB said: "We gave it [Buffy] our strongest promotional and publicity efforts, established it as a hit and moved it to Tuesday with Dawson's Creek only to make it the company's promotional focus once again."

It added that the WB "bought a spin off show, Angel, and scheduled it exactly where Mr Whedon wanted it scheduled, promoted that night heavily, and offered to buy two more years of both shows... and finally offered the highest license fee in our history to renew the program".

"We're sorry that this didn't demonstrate to Mr Whedon our utmost respect and commitment to the show," it said.

There is also speculation that the spin off programme Angel could also leave WB.
How soon they forget. Levin is like the guy in "Memento".

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Re: Angel

Postby tommo » Thu May 22, 2003 3:27 pm

Quote:
"Buffy" producer Josh Whedon is happy with the move.




Seven years and they can't get his name right? :lol That's freakin' hilarious...



"Dude, you just rescued a puppy!"

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Re: Angel

Postby kajo 2000 » Fri May 23, 2003 2:43 am

From the Angel Spoilers thread at Fan Forum:



Quote:
Fraz

Posted 05-18-2003 10:01 PM




Angel new season I heard will get a jump start early instead of late this year no date yet but that sounds good.



And the set crew are busy in Santa Monica on the old Buffy lot creating some new sets for Angel this season.




Sheridan asked:



Quote:
Is this an official CC site? If it is it hardly sounds like this was a willing decision on Charisma's part.


This is what I have been able to find out: Charisma doesn't seem to have an official website but charisma-carpenter.com appears to be the closest thing to it. Their site was the first to make the announcement of the birth of Charisma's baby - they had full details of the baby's name, weight etc before it was reported in the media.



This post from a Cordelia fan in the Angel Spoilers thread at Fan Forum makes it sound at least semi-official:



Quote:
Tyeshia

Posted 05-18-2003 03:07 PM



I don't know what makes a site official, but I know Shalazar, who runs the site, does seem to have some sort of inside track with CC's camp. CC herself mentioned the site in her E! Online chat, and I believe the site was the first to report CC's pregnancy. Every piece of info I have ever read there has turned out to be true, so I have no reason to doubt the site now.


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Re: Angel

Postby tommo » Fri May 23, 2003 5:51 am

I know this isn't an Angel discussion thread or anything, but as far as Charisma's departure from the show goes, this just points to the rotting imagination of the creators themselves. I mean, if they really wanted to keep her character, they'd find something for her to do, but no, it's easier to let her go and "start again" with someone else, namely Harmony, if rumours are true. Honestly, this kind of backtracking doesn't point to a "new era" in the show, it only exposes the lack of application that the show is suffering from and has suffered from during the last season. The worst thing they ever did was elevate Cordelia to being something "more than human". Cordelia's greatest strength, in my opinion, was the fact that she was human, and provided a link to a very real and corporeal world. When they lost that, they lost the essence of her character. Cordelia might have been a lot of things, but she was always human. And that notion was something missing dreadfully from the last season of Angel, and also from BtVS.



For me, Tara was the humanity of the show over the last three seasons. She provided the link to the earthly experience of humans - as did Cordelia in Angel. It's to do with spirit and experience and empathy with the audience. When they lost that, the audience had nothing to identify with, in my opinion. No wonder they drifted away to find a show where they could identify with the human experience.



Honestly, I'm not interested in seeing Angel without Cordelia in it. I wasn't that interested in seeing BtVS without Tara, and for me, the humanity dropped out of the show when she died. It's all well and good exploring the mystical and magical nature of things, but if there's nobody to link it to the human world, then what's the point?



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