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Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why???

Postby helpful information perha » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:30 am

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and you can tell whedon why at

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www.tvguide.com/newsgossi...1030.asp#C

TOUGH CEL: More bad news for fans of Buffy the Vampire Slayer: That much-talked about animated spinoff series is off the drawing board. "We just couldn't find a home for it — which will baffle me to the grave," Buffy sire, Joss Whedon, sighs to TV Guide Online.

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LMAO

whedon turned buffy into a suicidal tramp. He has fans cheering for a rapist murderer and dissing the rapists victim. He turned Willow into a drug addict and he killed off Tara by playing out his own little snuff fantasy of having her heart blown out splattering her lover in tara's blood.



the PTC and NOW have put out "reportcards" that trounce buffy (D-)/most violent tv etc



And he wonders why parents don't want buffy the cartoon?



Who wants to walk into their kids room to see a rapist/spike poster plastered on their kids wall?!



this guy needs a shrink

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby Warduke » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:33 am

HAHAHAHAHA



It just keeps getting better and better.



We told you Joss...karma's a bitch :grin


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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby themagicpixie » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:37 am

Loving this. Just loving it.



Joss, it's simple: look at your TV show. No, I don't mean the lesbians touching each other's arms... I mean the murder, attempted rape, "magic as crack", plus the fact it SUCKS.



Which part of the cartoon show not being picked up do you not understand? If you're baffled, I can help you out.



YOUR. SHOW. SUCKS.



(Never mind the violence, the women-bashing, the message you are sending out to people everywhere about your own mind).



If you would like to employ me as a consultant to explain these things to you, I come at a very reasonable rate, I would imagine cheaper than David Fury, who I'm sure you'll agree, is an embarassment. But you can take this message as a free sample.



Oh, and by the way:



Ha ha!

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:40 am

:LOL Gee, Joss, wonder *why* your cartoon won't sell. When you trash the parent show of a franchise, you hurt the franchise. People are tuning out from Buffy in droves. The sexual content and violence on Buffy is through the roof. Thus, not much interest in a Buffy cartoon MEANT FOR KIDS. It's not that complicated, really.



Moron.

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby justastraightdog » Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:10 am

Oh, the Buffy cartoon was meant for kids? He really lost his track... cartoons for adults are the growing market, read this for instance.



Whatever Joss did since the move to UPN, was a total failure. From a human pov, a social pov and - most embarassing for a tv producer - from a business pov. He needs a long vacation, starting now.



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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:28 am

Once again....



Nah nah nah naah...

Nah nah nah naah...

Hey a! Goodbye!



Nah nah nah naah...

Nah nah nah naah...

Hey a! Goodbye!



And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!



Woo Hoo!



Warlock



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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby ruby » Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:46 am

cough*karma*cough

Wow, that was so close to being empowering. --"Same Time, Same Place"

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby Dumbsaint » Wed Oct 30, 2002 12:04 pm

Brian said:
Quote:
We told you Joss...karma's a bitch




Ah, yes. And now it would appear that Joss is karma's bitch.



:lol

"And never let it be said that I left a Tara craving unsatisfied." Willow, Wilderness Pt. 1

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby FuBard » Wed Oct 30, 2002 12:42 pm

When I was a young boy, one of my favorite cartoons was about a roadrunner and a stupid coyote who chased him all over the desert trying to eat him for breakfast. He didn't just try to run him down, but instead used elaborate traps/stunts/gadgets to try and capture his meal. It was a wacky and fun show, adored by a couple of generations of adults and kids alike. In fact, the show is still on to this very day, after a fashion. Unfortunately it has been changed quite a bit and is nowhere near as good or funny as it used to be. It seems that parents and censors of today insisted that the giant boulders and other things falling onto Wile E. Coyote's head and squashing him flat or turning him into an accordian were too violent to be shown to children, thus the violence had to be toned down, and the boulders could no longer be shown squishing him flat.



AND JOSS WHEDON WONDERS WHY HIS BUFFY CARTOON WON'T FLY WITH THOSE SAME PARENTS/CENSORS/PRODUCERS???????



Is the man insane, or what? No, I mean really. If he cannot see that those same people do not want him making a kiddie cartoon, then he needs professional help. They decided that a cartoon coyote having rocks dropped on his head and making him into an accordian was too violent for kids to see. I'm sure they took one look at his shows and decided that the violence, gore, and misogyny were too much to even be on television in an adult show, much less a cartoon.



I mean, let's take a look at the cast of characters that those potential buyers saw last season, and this one, and examine a few things about each.



Buffy: The "Hero" of the show... she sleeps with a vampire who is evil and tried to rape her, doing so doggie-style against the railing in a club while she watches her friends dance and also against a trash dumpster (not to mention knocking a house down by violent sex/oral sex,etc)... She is a thoroughly depressing person who is actually imagining the whole series as she sits in an insane asylum... in addition, she tries to kill all of her friends by allowing a demon to tear them to shreds.



Willow: Best friend of hero. She's a witch who loves another woman, which was a beautiful thing, but, in all fairness, is not likely to push a parents button when it comes to cartoon making time.... Additionally, she becomes a drug addicted character whose behavior becomes so reprehensible and damaging to those around her that her lover leaves her... Just when it seems that she's gained control over her problem, her lover returns only to be gunned down in one of the most disturbingly violent scenes that I have ever witnessed on television... to be fair, the extremely intimate scenes of W/T preceeding the death scene most likely did not turn most parents on either... after her lover's death, Willow goes on a murderous rampage, killing one man and then another, skinning him alive in the process.... she then attacks her friends, tries to kill them, and then attempts to destroy the entire world.



Xander: The guy who, uhhh... well... ok. So he serves no purpose. Anyway. He leads a woman on for years, taking advantage of her obviously fantastic sexual abilities, but when it comes time to be a man and marry her, he walks away, leaving her actually standing at the altar...



Anya: An innocent, if perhaps a bit too honest, woman who is left at the altar by her boyfriend....Oh yeah, she used to be a demon and becomes one again after her betrayal, whereby she proceeds to cause the bloody death of a dozen men and makes terrible things happen to others.



Tara: The sweetest, most beloved, and innocent character of them all... Willow's girlfriend... She dies in a bloody, horrific, and unecessary manner, shot through the heart in front of her lover, who is covered in her blood...



I think that's enough about Buffy. Of course, we could get into Angel and how bloody, depressing, and terrible that show is, but I don't watch it so I'll just have to skip it. But now we have "Firefly" which, aside from being a dud in the ratings, is also a violent, misogynistic nightmare, full of abused/insane women, space hookers, and all manner of things that I doubt parents would like to know their kids are seeing. In additon, this show, like Buffy and Angel, tends to focus on gloom, doom, and the worst sides of human nature. Firefly shows a future where most hope is lost, men are brutal thugs for the most part, and women are either weak, insane, or glorified prostitutes.



Depression. Hate. Futility. Abuse. Inequality. Fear. Addiction. Sexual Deviance. Prejudice. Rape. Murder. Revenge. Misogyny. Hopelessness. Despair. Death...



When one looks at the overall themes that Joss Whedon has pushed on us in the last year or so, how can any rational and sane person NOT see why he wouldn't be trusted to produce a kiddy cartoon? If Whedon truly cannot fathom this, then he needs professional, psychological help. Hell, with a mindset like his, I wouldn't want him getting within 500 yards of one of my kids on the street - much less have him making cartoons for my kid to watch! The man is deranged and has totally lost touch with reality if he truly doesn't understand why his cartoon cannot find sponsors. All of his shows continue to prove that his mind is full of hate, violence (esp against women), misogyny, sexual deviance, and all manner of terrible things that I listed above, that kids should not be exposed to.



Silly Joss, Tricks ARE for kids... but not the kind that Buffy was turning for Spike last season.



FuBard









Edited by: FuBard at: 10/30/02 10:47:03 am
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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby xita » Wed Oct 30, 2002 12:43 pm

BtVS is as appropriate for kids as Friday the 13th.



I am going to marry Karma now.

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Buffy?

Let's change it, the Discovery channel has koala bears.

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...

Postby Rane018 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:18 pm

he basically shot himself int he foot with last season. HAHA!!!!



:P

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Re: ...

Postby Spice Faerie » Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:51 pm

Joss is an ass. See what he gets for killing Tara, turning Spike into a rapist, Willow into an addict, and Buffy into a manic depressive slayer...I think he's getting exaclty what he deserves.



:rage Spice :rage

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Re: ...

Postby urnofosiris » Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:03 pm

Time for the obligatory

Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah





*sigh*



I missed my big red fonts.

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Re: ...

Postby kbk3022 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:09 pm

Those aren't just big red fonts, they're gargantuan.

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Re: ...

Postby emma peel » Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:27 pm

What DrG just said. Also:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

:bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce

Isn't Ripper still on hold?

I am SO loving this!!!!:grin

Janice

Edited by: emma peel at: 10/30/02 1:29:27 pm
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Re: ...

Postby Willow Rocks » Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:32 pm

I never thought id be so happy watching the fall of my fav show!

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Re: ...

Postby sam7777 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:55 pm

Glad to see that ME continues to fail. With Firefly on cancellation, Ripper on permanet hold and now the cartoon is off the radar, they don't have much left. Gosh too bad. Not.

I see dead lesbian cliches

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Re: ...

Postby jixer » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:15 pm

Hello Kittens-





And all those people he's been stringing along will accept this loss of future earnings and worship him because he has vision.



I mean, just who is going to have any say in his future that's connected with a bunch of cartoons, right?



Will someone please hand this man (so called) an anvil?







J









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Re: ...

Postby tommo » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:50 pm

Joss is baffled is he? Dear me, what a guy. Baffled when his own failure is staring him in the face.



And I'm going to take karma out for dinner, some dancing, and then really great sex afterwards. All night. With many, many orgasms.



Then we'll rent a uhaul and get married and have lots of karmic kids.



You exquisite little tart!" ~ Diana Letharby

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Re: ...

Postby Kendahl897 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:53 pm

Is there any way to get the toaster back?

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Re: ...

Postby Coma123 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:55 pm

Well at least they will have gotten plenty of use out of using the scripts during S7. :)

This is really quite amusing.

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby VampNo12 » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:18 pm

Poor "baffled" Joss I so feel for him not, :lol ! Really this again proves to me how clueless this man truly is, if he can't understand why the cartoon failed to find a home (time to wake-up to reality Joss).



Seeing his "kingdom" fall apart piece by piece truly points a smile on my face, karma indeed is a bitch :) !

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby Diebrock » Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:29 am

He can't really be that clueless, can he?

All his shows are failing and he can't understand why? Oh Please!!



And Mr.Whedon is baffled that nobody wants his cartoon. Well, let's see... The setting was supposed to be back in high school, right?

And we all know what happenes when Jossie Boy is going back to the beginning and making the show lighter and full of humor (coughseasonseveredcough). As a parent I'd be very scared.

But it seems that we don't have to worry about that anymore, so let me extend another marriage proposal to karma, even though I know I have no chance against xita and Ruth. :wink



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ME...Wie du mir, so ich dir

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Re: ...

Postby MOUSE » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:10 pm



Irony's a bitch too! Joss's bitch.



I kinda love that.

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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby WiccansIllusion » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:42 pm

can we say karma?

Edited by: Warduke at: 11/2/02 8:44:22 pm
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Re: Buffy cartoon won't sell and whedon can't understand why

Postby Pipsqueak » Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:04 pm

Yippee!!!!!! Happy news indeed. :party Poor, poor Jossie.



Xita, Ruth, and Diebrock: You can't have karma. It's MINE, I tell you! ALL MINE! Looks like we'll all have to fight each other for the right to marry karma. Ooh, I know, I'll prove my love by using a magical spell to turn karma into a being that is better suited to my sexual orientation, so that we can --



oh. wait.

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It doesn't matter where we come from, what we've done or suffered, or even if we make a difference.
We live as though the world was what it should be, to show it what it can be." -- Angel

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Well, it was a nice 5 weeks.

Postby WebWarlock » Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:35 pm

Is the Buffy toon back on or is this another Whedon lie?

Note. No AH.



www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a...7/10.00.tv



Quote:
Buffy Toon Due Soon?



Joss Whedon, creator of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, told syndicated columnist Marilyn Beck that his moribund Buffy animated series could hit the airwaves as early as January 2003. Earlier, Whedon had said the show—which revisits the Scooby Gang during their Sunnydale High School years—was on hold for a variety of reasons and wouldn't debut until at least May.



But Beck reported that Fox will premiere the show in January, with Buffy cast members Sarah Michelle Gellar, David Boreanaz, Seth Green, Nicholas Brendon and Michelle Trachtenberg voicing characters.






Personally I doubt it.



Warlock

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Re: Well, it was a nice 5 weeks.

Postby BBOvenGuy » Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:51 pm

As I pointed out on the Spin thread, in Marilyn Beck's December 14 E!Online column, she never actually says that Joss himself told her anything. Personally, I think Marilyn is just spewing unsubstantiated gossip, and Sci-Fi Wire subsequently picked up what she said and embellished it by attributing the comments to Joss.

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Re: Well, it was a nice 5 weeks.

Postby Sheridan » Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:00 pm

Well as was mentioned in another thread you can't get animation ready that fast, and one of the few definites was that SMG wouldn't be doing a voice.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Cartoon

Postby vampdude1 » Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:00 am

Ok so joss is a little slow. not a big deal. why the hell didnt he try selling it as an adult cartoon? (Simpsons/family guy/anything they show on cartoon networks adult swim?)

I mean come on! the cartoon is supposed to take place in the early seasons right (?) then sell it to cartoon network or HBO. how stupid is he? and does anyone know where amber benson is supposed to show up this season. im in serious withdrawl.

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