by woodenstakegirl » Tue May 15, 2001 10:37 pm
Isn't it nice to see Anya and Willow getting along so good now. Maybe Willow took her up on that sleeping with her offer. Yeah, probally not, but I definatly like Anya more now that she is nice to Willow.
*Rochelle*
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by imperfectly » Tue May 15, 2001 10:50 pm
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by BBOvenGuy » Tue May 15, 2001 10:56 pm
It's nice to see take-charge Willow again. She's done this sort of thing before (Who can forget the "Get the hell out of my library!" speech?), but this time she has much more authority and self-confidence.
Like everyone else, though, I find Willow's rapidly growing power troubling. Is she going to burn herself out? Is she heading for trouble? We probably won't find out until next year. Whatever is coming her way, though, I'm sure Tara will be there to help her through it. Tara needs an opportunity to help Willow now that Willow has done so much to help her.
By the way, I should have a sound clip or two online by this time Thursday night.
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by Wiccagrrl » Tue May 15, 2001 11:00 pm
Also, it was great to see Doc again...hope he plays a big role next week. Also, I hope that Ben doesn't turn out to be such the slimeball coward the ending of this week left us thinking he was. Maybe he's got something up his sleave.
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by GODisTigger » Tue May 15, 2001 11:24 pm
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I agree, I think Doc was a setup. It was too easy (not taking anything away from Spike and Xander’s prowess, but…) Plus what’s with his weird tongue thing. He’s like frogger gone mad.Something to note: Glory is starting to feel pain. Hmmmm.
It did seem too easy. He drew their attention right to the box too. All he had to do was stay at his desk. But instead, he gets up and tries to "hide" the box by standing in front of it. Silly Doc!
As for Glory, I noticed that too. She felt pain. I wonder if that'll play a part in the 100th.
Yay! I just noticed I'm a Doll's Eye Crystal. Doesn't take much to make me happy!
D <---does the dance of joy!
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Makes you wonder if at some point next season, Willow gets so powerful she can't control it.
I agree about Giles. I'm surprised he hasn't shown more concern about Willow's growing powers since he's the only one besides Tara who knows enough to realize that there might be something to worry about. Other than a few references to her "advanced abilities" he hasn't said much.
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We can hardly blame her at this point. If it weren't for her, the Scoobs wouldn't have had a chance. She's been way more effective than Buffy. But Tara's warnings and the nosebleeds and the dark magick dabblings... it's all leading somewhere. I'm wondering that if, with the spell that she uses to get Tara back (yay!) she won't have drained her batteries. What if part of the Spiral is that Willow is spiralling down to the last of her powers and she starts next season having to start all over again?
Hmmm... but like most of you, I am convinced that the triangle with Glory and Tara is Willow saving our girl from oblivion. Willow has become my new favorite superhero.
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Something to note: Glory is starting to feel pain. Hmmmm.
Anyone on board to think that Willows 'magical' interactions w/Glory are part of the reason that the Ben/Glory divide is falling apart?
As for the episode itself--it was definately filler. But, I have to say that I really did like the way it was done--camera cuts, angles..
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Willow's developing powers... I think she might have to deal with some consequences next season, but I don't think she will lose her powers. I still expect another big fight next season over it too... followed by make up HMS. I don't think it is the power that will be the problem either, but Willow's sometimes overeager enthusiasm to explore her limits and her occasional lack of care when doing so.
Anya's growing humanity is great.. this is how 7 of 9's character should have been explored (not the direction.. just the general slow growth), and I love the fact that she and Willow are actually starting to become friends. Xander and Spike.. priceless. Buffy's headspace wasn't quite as surreal as the dreams during Restless, but then again she wasn't really dreaming either.. and I did love Willow's greeting to the First Slayer.
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did anyone else notice that willows eyes went black when she casted the barrior spell? I think they went black during another spell too. Think shes reading from that "Darkest Magic" book again? Something big for willow is in the offing! I cant wait to see what it is.
If Will can go into Buffy's head why not go into Tara's head (not that shes had the time)? I think those effected by Glory are going to play some kind of role in helping buffy, or at least i hope so.
I couldnt tell who was doing what in the trailer (busted TV!!!! argh) but was that dawn in some sort of flowing black dress? like at the top of a building? It seems as though Buffy, Willow and Spike are going to be the dream team to stop Glory.
so many questions...so many questions...
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Did we ever find out what was in the box, cause I don't remember?
The box contained the scrolls relating to Glory that Giles was reading from at the end of the episode. The question is whether Doc wanted to Scoobies to have these documents in order to help them or as part of an elaborate deception.
WOLFB8 you made an interesting point regarding a connection between Tara and Willow's powers. Could it be that the synergy that exits between Willow and Tara is the catalyst that has allowed Willow's powers to grow so powerful?
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--The builders who got on their knees as Glory approached. Did they look to anyone else like Glory's brainsuck victims?
--Loved the little bit of Tara whimpering as Willow left her.
--Gotta wonder if the Monks didn't more-or-less create a kid sister for Buffy rather than generate the illusion and fiddle with everyone's memories? Would changing an event in the past then investing the key in a human host be easier? And does that mean Dawn gets to survive?
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
--Methinks next season Willow's gonna be in biiiiiiggggg trouble re: her magick.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
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I, too, loved Tara's reaction when Willow walked away...reaching out for her. Too sweet.
As for Ben, I kinda wonder if he's really sold Dawn out, or if he's planning on sabotaging the spell somehow. Just a thought.
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They were. The credits bear this out.
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
They're a bad influence on each other, now that they can directly communicate. Glory's feeling guilt and other human stuff, Ben's getting arrogant and callous and even a little insane.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
Yep, much too funny.
On another note -- I'm having trouble with some of the stuff covered earlier in the season, and what we know now. I got the impression that the monks and the knights had been fighting 'the Beast' for centuries, but it's only been 25 years? Say wha...? What about the Dagon Sphere, to oppose 'that which cannot be named'? Glorificus seems to be a pretty direct 'name'.
Did they change their hellgod concept before this last arc section, or what's going on?
Kal
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posted May 16, 2001 03:27 *sob*My tape cut out. Not ten minutes into the episode, my tape cut out.
Any way I can get a copy from someone?
Makes you wonder if at some point next season, Willow gets so powerful she can't control it.
I agree about Giles. I'm surprised he hasn't shown more concern about Willow's growing powers since he's the only one besides Tara who knows enough to realize that there might be something to worry about. Other than a few references to her "advanced abilities" he hasn't said much.
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posted May 16, 2001 07:19 This sudden development in Willow's powers keeps making me think of a conversation she had with Oz in "Fear Itself" when he told her he was worried about her, because he knew what it was like to have a power you couldn't control.Makes you wonder if at some point next season, Willow gets so powerful she can't control it.
I agree about Giles. I'm surprised he hasn't shown more concern about Willow's growing powers since he's the only one besides Tara who knows enough to realize that there might be something to worry about. Other than a few references to her "advanced abilities" he hasn't said much.
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IP: LoggeddreadpirateemilyFloating Rose We can hardly blame her at this point. If it weren't for her, the Scoobs wouldn't have had a chance. She's been way more effective than Buffy. But Tara's warnings and the nosebleeds and the dark magick dabblings... it's all leading somewhere. I'm wondering that if, with the spell that she uses to get Tara back (yay!) she won't have drained her batteries. What if part of the Spiral is that Willow is spiralling down to the last of her powers and she starts next season having to start all over again?
Hmmm... but like most of you, I am convinced that the triangle with Glory and Tara is Willow saving our girl from oblivion. Willow has become my new favorite superhero.
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posted May 16, 2001 09:02 My feeling is that she is either being boosted some other power unknown to us, but perhaps connected to Glory and Dawn in some way, OR she has developed them on her own, regardless of warnings or consequences.We can hardly blame her at this point. If it weren't for her, the Scoobs wouldn't have had a chance. She's been way more effective than Buffy. But Tara's warnings and the nosebleeds and the dark magick dabblings... it's all leading somewhere. I'm wondering that if, with the spell that she uses to get Tara back (yay!) she won't have drained her batteries. What if part of the Spiral is that Willow is spiralling down to the last of her powers and she starts next season having to start all over again?
Hmmm... but like most of you, I am convinced that the triangle with Glory and Tara is Willow saving our girl from oblivion. Willow has become my new favorite superhero.
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posted May 16, 2001 09:38 Agreed - don't know where it's heading, but glad she's Superwoman. They'd be in big trouble if she wasn't!IP: LoggedBansheeCool Monster Fighter quote:
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Something to note: Glory is starting to feel pain. Hmmmm.
Anyone on board to think that Willows 'magical' interactions w/Glory are part of the reason that the Ben/Glory divide is falling apart?
As for the episode itself--it was definately filler. But, I have to say that I really did like the way it was done--camera cuts, angles..
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posted May 16, 2001 09:44quote:
Originally posted by imperfectly:
Something to note: Glory is starting to feel pain. Hmmmm.
Anyone on board to think that Willows 'magical' interactions w/Glory are part of the reason that the Ben/Glory divide is falling apart?
As for the episode itself--it was definately filler. But, I have to say that I really did like the way it was done--camera cuts, angles..
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posted May 16, 2001 10:01 My thinking is that Tara has something to do with Willow getting way more powerful. Before they got together Willow had trouble floating anything bigger then a pencil, and then the first time she and Tara do a spell together BANG they move a pop machine across a room! So I think maybe Tara's some kind of catalyst or something for Willow's power and without Tara around Willow wouldn't be nearly as powerful.------------------
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Willow's developing powers... I think she might have to deal with some consequences next season, but I don't think she will lose her powers. I still expect another big fight next season over it too... followed by make up HMS. I don't think it is the power that will be the problem either, but Willow's sometimes overeager enthusiasm to explore her limits and her occasional lack of care when doing so.
Anya's growing humanity is great.. this is how 7 of 9's character should have been explored (not the direction.. just the general slow growth), and I love the fact that she and Willow are actually starting to become friends. Xander and Spike.. priceless. Buffy's headspace wasn't quite as surreal as the dreams during Restless, but then again she wasn't really dreaming either.. and I did love Willow's greeting to the First Slayer.
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posted May 16, 2001 10:20 Well, this was a nice ep for filler. Loved Tara's scene stealing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Amber is such a wonderful actress (among other things).Willow's developing powers... I think she might have to deal with some consequences next season, but I don't think she will lose her powers. I still expect another big fight next season over it too... followed by make up HMS. I don't think it is the power that will be the problem either, but Willow's sometimes overeager enthusiasm to explore her limits and her occasional lack of care when doing so.
Anya's growing humanity is great.. this is how 7 of 9's character should have been explored (not the direction.. just the general slow growth), and I love the fact that she and Willow are actually starting to become friends. Xander and Spike.. priceless. Buffy's headspace wasn't quite as surreal as the dreams during Restless, but then again she wasn't really dreaming either.. and I did love Willow's greeting to the First Slayer.
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On a related note.. has anyone else noticed that "Advanced" magick seems to relate to spells that require fine control, more then raw power. Both Buffy's spell detection spell and Willow's get into Buffy's head spell were defined as "Advanced" but seemed require more focus then power.
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posted May 16, 2001 10:30 Wolf.. I the help Tara gave Willow was more along the lines of formal training in the basics. Before Tara came along, Willow was struggling because she didn't have any one to help her figure out why things had failed, or what the possible consequences of certain actions might be. I think Willow has always had the potential for raw power, but Tara has been teaching her how to control that power.On a related note.. has anyone else noticed that "Advanced" magick seems to relate to spells that require fine control, more then raw power. Both Buffy's spell detection spell and Willow's get into Buffy's head spell were defined as "Advanced" but seemed require more focus then power.
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did anyone else notice that willows eyes went black when she casted the barrior spell? I think they went black during another spell too. Think shes reading from that "Darkest Magic" book again? Something big for willow is in the offing! I cant wait to see what it is.
If Will can go into Buffy's head why not go into Tara's head (not that shes had the time)? I think those effected by Glory are going to play some kind of role in helping buffy, or at least i hope so.
I couldnt tell who was doing what in the trailer (busted TV!!!! argh) but was that dawn in some sort of flowing black dress? like at the top of a building? It seems as though Buffy, Willow and Spike are going to be the dream team to stop Glory.
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posted May 16, 2001 10:39 This eps. was great! I kept saying "I dont like this eps." which is a good thing for me. Usually when i say that it means the characters are in a situation that is too real, and/or makes me feel an emotion...which is a good thing! Buffy was just TOO over whelmed, no wonder she lost it. I think Ben might have found the combonation of drugs to "subdue" or "control" Glory. If He can at least get Glory to feel bad for the things she does then i think hes have won the battle against her.did anyone else notice that willows eyes went black when she casted the barrior spell? I think they went black during another spell too. Think shes reading from that "Darkest Magic" book again? Something big for willow is in the offing! I cant wait to see what it is.
If Will can go into Buffy's head why not go into Tara's head (not that shes had the time)? I think those effected by Glory are going to play some kind of role in helping buffy, or at least i hope so.
I couldnt tell who was doing what in the trailer (busted TV!!!! argh) but was that dawn in some sort of flowing black dress? like at the top of a building? It seems as though Buffy, Willow and Spike are going to be the dream team to stop Glory.
so many questions...so many questions...
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Originally posted by woodenstakegirl:
Did we ever find out what was in the box, cause I don't remember?
The box contained the scrolls relating to Glory that Giles was reading from at the end of the episode. The question is whether Doc wanted to Scoobies to have these documents in order to help them or as part of an elaborate deception.
WOLFB8 you made an interesting point regarding a connection between Tara and Willow's powers. Could it be that the synergy that exits between Willow and Tara is the catalyst that has allowed Willow's powers to grow so powerful?
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posted May 16, 2001 11:34quote:
Originally posted by woodenstakegirl:
Did we ever find out what was in the box, cause I don't remember?
The box contained the scrolls relating to Glory that Giles was reading from at the end of the episode. The question is whether Doc wanted to Scoobies to have these documents in order to help them or as part of an elaborate deception.
WOLFB8 you made an interesting point regarding a connection between Tara and Willow's powers. Could it be that the synergy that exits between Willow and Tara is the catalyst that has allowed Willow's powers to grow so powerful?
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posted May 16, 2001 11:42 That's exactly what I'm thinking Roxton! For example Willow has some power on her own but she doesn't have much control over it, BUT with Tara's power added it becomes channelled and amplified so that's it's alot more power then she would ever have on her own.------------------
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--The builders who got on their knees as Glory approached. Did they look to anyone else like Glory's brainsuck victims?
--Loved the little bit of Tara whimpering as Willow left her.
--Gotta wonder if the Monks didn't more-or-less create a kid sister for Buffy rather than generate the illusion and fiddle with everyone's memories? Would changing an event in the past then investing the key in a human host be easier? And does that mean Dawn gets to survive?
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
--Methinks next season Willow's gonna be in biiiiiiggggg trouble re: her magick.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
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posted May 16, 2001 11:49 Some stuff I noticed...--The builders who got on their knees as Glory approached. Did they look to anyone else like Glory's brainsuck victims?
--Loved the little bit of Tara whimpering as Willow left her.
--Gotta wonder if the Monks didn't more-or-less create a kid sister for Buffy rather than generate the illusion and fiddle with everyone's memories? Would changing an event in the past then investing the key in a human host be easier? And does that mean Dawn gets to survive?
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
--Methinks next season Willow's gonna be in biiiiiiggggg trouble re: her magick.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
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If it be there, I care not of
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Strike it out! Or write it in anew.
But let it be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam
I, too, loved Tara's reaction when Willow walked away...reaching out for her. Too sweet.
As for Ben, I kinda wonder if he's really sold Dawn out, or if he's planning on sabotaging the spell somehow. Just a thought.
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posted May 16, 2001 11:56 yeah, I think those were Glory's victims working on the building.I, too, loved Tara's reaction when Willow walked away...reaching out for her. Too sweet.
As for Ben, I kinda wonder if he's really sold Dawn out, or if he's planning on sabotaging the spell somehow. Just a thought.
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IP: LoggedBansheeCool Monster Fighter But, if the rumors that Herc is putting out there is true, then Willow seems the more likely one to step up to the plate.-Shannon
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posted May 16, 2001 11:57 Z-- I, too, noticed that the people constructing the "altar" were those same people who were brainsucked by Glory. Again, one has to think that all of them are connected to Glory--she's in them--and that Tara could possibly be the one to lead them all there.. Like, they go to give her the meds and she wigs out and starts babbling about the site.. But, if the rumors that Herc is putting out there is true, then Willow seems the more likely one to step up to the plate.-Shannon
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They were. The credits bear this out.
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
They're a bad influence on each other, now that they can directly communicate. Glory's feeling guilt and other human stuff, Ben's getting arrogant and callous and even a little insane.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
Yep, much too funny.
On another note -- I'm having trouble with some of the stuff covered earlier in the season, and what we know now. I got the impression that the monks and the knights had been fighting 'the Beast' for centuries, but it's only been 25 years? Say wha...? What about the Dagon Sphere, to oppose 'that which cannot be named'? Glorificus seems to be a pretty direct 'name'.
Did they change their hellgod concept before this last arc section, or what's going on?
Kal
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posted May 16, 2001 11:58 --The builders who got on their knees as Glory approached. Did they look to anyone else like Glory's brainsuck victims?They were. The credits bear this out.
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
They're a bad influence on each other, now that they can directly communicate. Glory's feeling guilt and other human stuff, Ben's getting arrogant and callous and even a little insane.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
Yep, much too funny.
On another note -- I'm having trouble with some of the stuff covered earlier in the season, and what we know now. I got the impression that the monks and the knights had been fighting 'the Beast' for centuries, but it's only been 25 years? Say wha...? What about the Dagon Sphere, to oppose 'that which cannot be named'? Glorificus seems to be a pretty direct 'name'.
Did they change their hellgod concept before this last arc section, or what's going on?
Kal
by Shaniezak » Wed May 16, 2001 12:27 am
My tape cut out. Not ten minutes into the episode, my tape cut out.
Any way I can get a copy from someone?
by Naturegal » Wed May 16, 2001 4:19 am
Makes you wonder if at some point next season, Willow gets so powerful she can't control it.
I agree about Giles. I'm surprised he hasn't shown more concern about Willow's growing powers since he's the only one besides Tara who knows enough to realize that there might be something to worry about. Other than a few references to her "advanced abilities" he hasn't said much.
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by dreadpirateemily » Wed May 16, 2001 6:02 am
We can hardly blame her at this point. If it weren't for her, the Scoobs wouldn't have had a chance. She's been way more effective than Buffy. But Tara's warnings and the nosebleeds and the dark magick dabblings... it's all leading somewhere. I'm wondering that if, with the spell that she uses to get Tara back (yay!) she won't have drained her batteries. What if part of the Spiral is that Willow is spiralling down to the last of her powers and she starts next season having to start all over again?
Hmmm... but like most of you, I am convinced that the triangle with Glory and Tara is Willow saving our girl from oblivion. Willow has become my new favorite superhero.
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by Naturegal » Wed May 16, 2001 6:38 am
by Banshee » Wed May 16, 2001 6:44 am
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Originally posted by imperfectly:
Something to note: Glory is starting to feel pain. Hmmmm.
Anyone on board to think that Willows 'magical' interactions w/Glory are part of the reason that the Ben/Glory divide is falling apart?
As for the episode itself--it was definately filler. But, I have to say that I really did like the way it was done--camera cuts, angles..
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by Thassa » Wed May 16, 2001 7:20 am
Willow's developing powers... I think she might have to deal with some consequences next season, but I don't think she will lose her powers. I still expect another big fight next season over it too... followed by make up HMS. I don't think it is the power that will be the problem either, but Willow's sometimes overeager enthusiasm to explore her limits and her occasional lack of care when doing so.
Anya's growing humanity is great.. this is how 7 of 9's character should have been explored (not the direction.. just the general slow growth), and I love the fact that she and Willow are actually starting to become friends. Xander and Spike.. priceless. Buffy's headspace wasn't quite as surreal as the dreams during Restless, but then again she wasn't really dreaming either.. and I did love Willow's greeting to the First Slayer.
- - Thassa
by Thassa » Wed May 16, 2001 7:30 am
On a related note.. has anyone else noticed that "Advanced" magick seems to relate to spells that require fine control, more then raw power. Both Buffy's spell detection spell and Willow's get into Buffy's head spell were defined as "Advanced" but seemed require more focus then power.
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by discostar » Wed May 16, 2001 7:39 am
did anyone else notice that willows eyes went black when she casted the barrior spell? I think they went black during another spell too. Think shes reading from that "Darkest Magic" book again? Something big for willow is in the offing! I cant wait to see what it is.
If Will can go into Buffy's head why not go into Tara's head (not that shes had the time)? I think those effected by Glory are going to play some kind of role in helping buffy, or at least i hope so.
I couldnt tell who was doing what in the trailer (busted TV!!!! argh) but was that dawn in some sort of flowing black dress? like at the top of a building? It seems as though Buffy, Willow and Spike are going to be the dream team to stop Glory.
so many questions...so many questions...
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by Roxton » Wed May 16, 2001 8:34 am
quote:
Originally posted by woodenstakegirl:
Did we ever find out what was in the box, cause I don't remember?
The box contained the scrolls relating to Glory that Giles was reading from at the end of the episode. The question is whether Doc wanted to Scoobies to have these documents in order to help them or as part of an elaborate deception.
WOLFB8 you made an interesting point regarding a connection between Tara and Willow's powers. Could it be that the synergy that exits between Willow and Tara is the catalyst that has allowed Willow's powers to grow so powerful?
[This message has been edited by Roxton (edited May 16, 2001).]
quote:by WOLFB8 » Wed May 16, 2001 8:42 am
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by Zahir » Wed May 16, 2001 8:49 am
--The builders who got on their knees as Glory approached. Did they look to anyone else like Glory's brainsuck victims?
--Loved the little bit of Tara whimpering as Willow left her.
--Gotta wonder if the Monks didn't more-or-less create a kid sister for Buffy rather than generate the illusion and fiddle with everyone's memories? Would changing an event in the past then investing the key in a human host be easier? And does that mean Dawn gets to survive?
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
--Methinks next season Willow's gonna be in biiiiiiggggg trouble re: her magick.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
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by Wiccagrrl » Wed May 16, 2001 8:56 am
I, too, loved Tara's reaction when Willow walked away...reaching out for her. Too sweet.
As for Ben, I kinda wonder if he's really sold Dawn out, or if he's planning on sabotaging the spell somehow. Just a thought.
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by Banshee » Wed May 16, 2001 8:57 am
But, if the rumors that Herc is putting out there is true, then Willow seems the more likely one to step up to the plate.-Shannon
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by Kalita » Wed May 16, 2001 8:58 am
They were. The credits bear this out.
--Well, a lot less moral ambiguity when it comes to killing Ben, don't ya think? BTW, that boy's a fool to trust Glory.
They're a bad influence on each other, now that they can directly communicate. Glory's feeling guilt and other human stuff, Ben's getting arrogant and callous and even a little insane.
--I've never felt so sorry for Spike before! All that "Ben is Glory" bit was too hilarious!
Yep, much too funny.
On another note -- I'm having trouble with some of the stuff covered earlier in the season, and what we know now. I got the impression that the monks and the knights had been fighting 'the Beast' for centuries, but it's only been 25 years? Say wha...? What about the Dagon Sphere, to oppose 'that which cannot be named'? Glorificus seems to be a pretty direct 'name'.
Did they change their hellgod concept before this last arc section, or what's going on?
Kal
by tommo » Wed May 16, 2001 9:46 am
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"It doesn't matter, really, if I don't see Willow tonight, she knew. Willow was in her life, for keeps. That was what mattered." ~ Tara, Unseen: The Burning
by Hemiola » Wed May 16, 2001 10:34 am
The girl who played "Little Buffy" was nice-looking and all that, BUT--the fact is that the real SMG was a whole lot cuter when she was 5/6 years old (just check out the pictures of her Burger King commercials)
by British Babe » Wed May 16, 2001 11:51 am
by BBOvenGuy » Wed May 16, 2001 12:15 pm
And British Babe, no the finale is a standard 1-hour episode.
by visitor-m » Wed May 16, 2001 1:10 pm
by tiger17 » Wed May 16, 2001 4:19 pm
by Zahir » Wed May 16, 2001 6:27 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kalita:
On another note -- I'm having trouble with some of the stuff covered earlier in the season, and what we know now. I got the impression that the monks and the knights had been fighting 'the Beast' for centuries, but it's only been 25 years? Say wha...? What about the Dagon Sphere, to oppose 'that which cannot be named'? Glorificus seems to be a pretty direct 'name'.Did they change their hellgod concept before this last arc section, or what's going on?
Kal
My own theory is that Glorificus has been known of/worshipped by many demons over the millenia. Who knows what kinds of atrocities have been committed in her name?
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"O let my name be in the Book of Love.
If it be there, I care not of
That other book Above...
Strike it out! Or write it in anew.
But let it be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam
by Anyalvr » Wed May 16, 2001 7:25 pm
And I'm broke, unemployed, single, and my best friend won't talk to me. Isn't life fun?
Okay, enough about that.
I hate to bring up the Queller incident AGAIN, but there is some serious inconsistancy going on with our pal Ben here.
He's horrified to discover that Glory had killed the Knights and can't bring himself to kill Dawn, even though it'll force Glory to go into hiding again, yet he has no problem whatsoever with summoning demons to kill crazy people? I'm sorry but I am having trouble buying his little "Glory is such an EVIL being! The things she DID!" when his behavior hasn't been exactly moral and humanity-loving, either. Last week when he got so defensive about keeping his OWN life - at all stakes - I could buy that. But to be so horrified at the things Glory has done when he's done similiar things? It doesn't fit.
I hope he did turn Dawn over to the minions because at least that;s consistent with the whole thing. The incident with the Queller just totally contradicts the "gentle Ben who can't bring himself to kill an innocent person".
Say what you want about Glory, but she's not a phony. She doesn't pretend to be morally superior to people she's on equal footing with.
Michelle totally blew me away with this episode. What a great little actress.
I found the "Buffy paralyzed" stuff boring and useless. It's really a stupid plot twist
for Buffy to just tell us "Okay, this is what
is bothering me" and Willow says "Snap out of it!" I found it dumb.
I find it so sweet that even in all her craziness Tara is still attached to Willow - that's the one thing she can hold on to, no matter what.
The finale looks awesome, though. The shot of Willow clutching Tara really intrigued me.
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by xita » Wed May 16, 2001 7:53 pm
My question has to do with DOC. I am thinking wasn't he just acting a bit weird about the book he was protecting. I think he was trying to give them that book. He was so easily defeated. I am thinking he wanted them to have it. And now they find out through that book that they have to kill Dawn. Maybe all that info is all bogus. Who knows.
Ben, weasel. He's so much like Glory, it's all about ME ME ME!
by Dave V » Wed May 16, 2001 8:34 pm
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer
The Weight of the World: A Far Better Thing I Do
by Jen Sonstein
5/15/01
"Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few."
"Or the one."
Where there’s a Vulcan there’s a way. In Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan (arguably the best of the original Star Trek films), Mr. Spock gives his life to save the crew of the Enterprise--and the galaxy.
Spock was quite a prolific Vulcan, you know. He was a walking encyclopedia of wisdom. But among his most powerful statements is the one above: the words he utters to Kirk before sacrificing his own life for the lives of others.
Would you forfeit your own life to save the world? Would you sacrifice your sister to save mankind?
Even though The Book of Questions has been there, done that, the same scenario has been presented to Buffy Summers time and again since she learned she was the Slayer and what the job description was.
"In every generation there is a Chosen One. She alone will stand against the vampires, the demons, and the forces of darkness. She is the Slayer."
Buffy is the Chosen One. She’s had to learn the hard way that this doesn’t only mean that she has been chosen, but that she also must choose. Buffy holds the fate of mankind in her hands. We’ve seen her deny herself to save the world. But we’ve also been witness to her indecision; to her inner struggle between her duty and her happiness. Between her responsibilities as Slayer and her own needs as a young woman.
(Flashback Sequence)
Buffy: I quit, remember? Pay attention! I don't care! I don't care. Giles, I'm sixteen years old. I don't wanna die. (Prophecy Girl*)
Giles to Buffy: I won't remind you that the fate of the world often lies with the Slayer. What would be the point? Nor shall I remind you that you've jeopardized the lives of all that you hold dear by harboring a known murderer." (Revelations)
Giles: It's the end of the world. Everyone dies. It's rather important, really.
Willow: So what do we do?
Buffy: I stop it. (Doomed)
Giles: Buffy, you have a sacred birthright to protect mankind. Don't stick out your elbow. (Restless)
Willow: You’ve carried the weight of the world on your shoulders since high school. And I know you didn’t ask for this, but you do it every day. (The Weight of the World)
Buffy has sacrificed a lot in the name of duty. Why?
Why does Buffy carry this weight? Faith didn’t feel like carrying the weight. So she didn’t.
Buffy, however, tends to choose the needs of the many over the needs of the one. Can you blame her? Imagine your own responsibilities and the pressures placed on you by your family and friends. Multiply that by billions. Giles has been reminding her of her responsibilities since the day they met. Buffy’s friends always look to her to make the important decisions. Her friends, her family, her classmates--they all depend on her.
The difference between someone like Faith and someone like Buffy is guilt. A sense of obligation. The desire to please. Buffy has a bad case of all three. The schizophrenic battle between Ben and Glory in tonight’s episode must be very similar to the battle that takes place in Buffy’s head every day. Me or her? Them or me? Day in and day out, Buffy is up against vampires, demons, Hell-gods, and the most terrifying beast of all: The beast of burden.
And once again, it’s decision-making time. According to the scrolls, the only way to stop Glory and to prevent chaos from reigning over the planet is to kill Dawn. Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one when "the one" is your sister? What will Buffy’s choice be this time?
The decision may not be hers to make. There are two very human (though artificially created) beings that could easily make it for her. Ben: who must choose between Dawn’s life and his own. And Dawn: who finally understands what it means to be the Chosen One.
"I could so save the world if somebody handed me super powers," Dawn once wrote in her diary.
Now’s her chance. She’s beginning to understand the power within her. She’s beginning to understand the responsibility that comes with this power. Not unlike a young Buffy Summers, Dawn is finding herself in a position that many teenagers wish to be on only to regret that wish once they’re there. What will she choose?
(Flashback one more time)
Buffy: Does it get easy?
Giles: You mean life?
Buffy: Yeah. Does it get easy?
Giles: What do you want me to say?
Buffy: Lie to me.
Giles: Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true. The bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.
Buffy: Liar. (Lie To Me)
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