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Postby Warduke » Tue May 15, 2001 6:24 pm

I don't even want to talk about this ep, the only thing I want to talk about is the trailer for the season finale, did you guys see it, did you catch THE scene?

For those who haven’t seen it, it’s a scene that only last like a second but here’s what happens…Willow is between Glory and Tara, Willow seems to have one hand behind Tara's head and one hand behind Glory's head, then all three go flying backwards.

At first I thought it was Willow in between Glory and Buffy but after I slowed it down I saw that it was Willow between Glory and Tara and it looks like Willow's doing a spell to, oh I don't know...get Tara's sanity back!!!

I’ve thought about it being Willow just protecting Tara from Glory but if that’s the case then why is Willow next to Glory and Tara?
If she was protecting Tara, wouldn’t she be right in front of her?…now I know that it could very well be just Willow protecting Tara but I really don’t think so, I think this is the moment where Tara gets her sanity back…oh man, now I cannot wait until the wildfeed, there is no way this week will go by fast enough.

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Postby Naturegal » Tue May 15, 2001 6:26 pm

Absolutely!! That was an exorcism if I've ever seen one! Get her out Willow!!
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Tue May 15, 2001 6:27 pm

Ack! Stills! We need stills! It's still 2-1/2 hours before the trailer runs here!

Ummm... we probably also need a separate thread for that, too....

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Postby WOLFB8 » Tue May 15, 2001 6:28 pm

DAMN, DAMN, DAMN! They don't show the trailers for the next episodes on my station!!!!!

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Postby Rane » Tue May 15, 2001 6:45 pm

that was glory? i thought it was anya. but hopefully it was glory cause anya doesn't make any sense unless they use her to combine with tara's energy. i dunno. i'm still watching angel.

Can i just say i LOVED this ep?!!! OMG! that whole ben and glory scene was incredible, the morphing back and forth. i was so upset last weeks was a bit blah for me but it's back up. and when Willow is like How are you doing to the first Slayer i cracked up.

i dont know what else to say. i'm missing out on angel. maybe i'll write more later.

may be spoilerish...

it didn't escape me the the *brain sucked* were there building the platform. I'm sure Tara will be the one to lead them to glory. well, unless they keep her medicated.

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Postby Warduke » Tue May 15, 2001 6:48 pm

Rane, it was Glory/Willow/Tara...no doubt about it

WOW Naturegal, that was fast...good work

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posted May 15, 2001 21:57            

anyone else thinking the writers set up the return of whoever closes the portal with this bit

minion to glory
"you risk terrible magicks in opening the portal, nothing comes without a price."

sounds to me like there are powerful protective magicks on the key and its use is booby trapped. perhaps tptb whoever they are, will be watching, testing and rewarding some and condeming others depending on how this plays out?

I could see buffy sacrificing herself and then finding out she passed a 'slayer test' and gets sent back
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posted May 15, 2001 22:03               
The morphing was waaaaay cool! How about Amber just steals the scenes in the background! Even with limited screentime she is just awesome.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:04               
Well....when 8:00 rolled around....I was at my mom's friend Pam's house...my mom and I ate dinner there because ....my mom is lazy and didn't want to cook LoL Sad sad I know...she has two kids 11 & 8 .....I made it VERY clear that at 8 it was to be QUIET and if they did anything I would kill them....right as they were showing scenes from past episodes the stupid 11 y/o boy comes up and changes the channel on me.....I'm yelling at this point ....if he EVER did that again his arse was MINE .....anywayz I took the remote and they sat down....well the momz kinda left us there ...they were quiet the whole episode...pretty into it...which is good I suppose...really good episode....totally lovin the Willow control...plus ...head kissage...thatz so sweet LoL I suppose I'm done with this ....Catch ya guyz later -

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posted May 15, 2001 22:05               
Rock ON! thanks for the pictures! i love you people!

tv... why would buffy killing herself make anything better? even if it is a test? it'd be a waste of time. but at the same time I agree that may happen cause in Death of a Salesman Loman's death made everything better for his family (like i posted a while earlier about restless and willow)

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posted May 15, 2001 22:06               
Oh WOW, Oh WOW! I can't wait till next week now! Thanks for putting up those pics!

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posted May 15, 2001 22:06               
Oh yeah. I caught the scene in the trailer I wasn't sure what I saw, so I had to go back and watch in slow mo.

Anyway I'm doing the dance of joy right now. And those of you who have seen tonight's Angel know that isn't a pretty sight.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:09               
Ok take the discussion of the trailer over to the mini spoilers thread. Episode speculation is not discussion BUt feel free to discuss tonight's episode. How was my forehead kiss?? 50 minutes to go for me

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posted May 15, 2001 22:17            
How much do I love In-charge Willow? Ahhhhhh.
Really, she was everywoman in this ep: calm, forceful, funny, caring, supportive, angry.

I also liked the way Buffy wanted it to end for a moment, just like Spike warned all slayers do, back in Fool For Love.

And, yeah, that bit in the previews captured my attention more than anything else.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:22            
cant believe no one's discussing the episode much. i really enjoyed it. not too many suprises. but, wow how willow took charge again. and she doesnt at all seem to be turning evil as some have speculated on other boards. i just hope they dont kill willow next week becuase she's getting so powerful. kinda scares me.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:23            
I'm really liking what they're doing with Anya these days. I always liked her sense of humor, but I didn't like it when she had friction with Willow. The last couple eps, she's been really sweet and understanding about W/T's problems. I think I like this Anya even better.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:26               
Tonight's episode was fantastic. I loved the way Willow completely took charge of the situation. Aly gave a great performance as did Clare Kramer and the way Ben and Glory morphed back and forth arguing was awesome.

At least two of our questions have been answered, Glory has been in Ben's body for twenty-five years and Glory did use a spell to cause anyone witnessing the morphing to forget what they saw.

The best line of the night had to be Spike's "This is going to be worth it" just before he hit Xander on the back of the head in the hospital.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:37               
Not much Tara this ep but I did let my eyes wander following her around in whatever scene she was in. LOL that first bit in the station, I was just watching her at the window and then loved her playing with the rhinestones on Willow's shirt. One scene that really got to me, Tara reaching for Willow as she walked, God it's hard seeing Tara like this. Please, oh please let their be a 'red button' next week. Also good, Spike and Xander bonding, they make a pretty good team against 'Doc', who isn't dead must have glazed right over that spoiler cause I practocally jumped when he opened his eyes.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:46               
Does anyone else wonder about the other mental patients being the ones doing alot of the perperations? Does this mean that if they weren't keeping Tara doped up that she would have led them to Glory by now?

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posted May 15, 2001 22:49               
Joel Grey made Doc seem so kind and gentle I wasn't expecting him to attack Xander and Spike. I loved it when he opened his eyes after they left, he looked so sinister. We haven't seen the last of him.

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Boy, I sure would love to discuss this episode. Yep yep yep. It'd be just wonderful. Oh yeah.

Well, long story short, since Joss Whedon is writing my life.

VCR is bad. VCR VERY bad. Money offered to whomever sends me a tape of "The Weight of the World" and "Through the Looking Glass."

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posted May 15, 2001 23:20            

doc knew the guys were there before they even got to the door

so kind of wondering if he set them up to find those papers? I mean not to put the xan man down or anything but if spike with his vamp power couldn't stand up against doc, how could xander get a drop on him and put a blade through him unless doc let him. it seemed to easy for xan to knife him and the two of them to get out with the papers. something seemed fishy there

and whats up with this only way to stop the portal from opening is buffy killing dawn stuff? I thought if they kept dawn alive and not bleeding past the bewitching hour then they couldn't use the key and all would be good, well not for glory maybe but good for the rest of the world.

anyone else wondering why the ben/glory magic is breaking down?
is it being near the key for a while or being near the time to use the key thats causing the break down?

oh and have to agree those shots of tara's umm back view, in the background with those cresents (G) definitly stole the scene ! but very tired of seeing tara in this way at this point.

editing to add, got to wonder where giles has been of late, I mean he's just now commenting on how advanced willows magics are with her going into buffy's mind spell? like her stop glory with air like tar, punch glory with air like fist, zap glory stuff isn't advanced?

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ohhhhhh kittens. oh no no no kittens. i'm in the middle of a full fledged panic attack! i went over to parents house tonight and BEGGED for tv privledges so i could watch and tape this...and i did. last night i had a horrible nightmare that Joss kill's WILLOW off the show. (i know, i'm dreaming about this, how sick is that?) remember how, you know, we heard that buffy's signed on for two more seasons, and tara's on for next. we haven't heard about willow have we? i can't take this! during this show i had the horrible thought that what if willow has to kill tara, or tara has to kill willow? i hate this! joss, what have you done to me? you wicked wicked man!

sobs....

i dunno if i can watch next weeks show...whatever will we do until next season? months and months away....sigh

need chocolate, must have chocolate...must watch W/T video clips several more times too...

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posted May 15, 2001 23:42               
tvsurfer it did seem a bit easy for Xander to get the best of Doc given the way he handled Spike so I have to wonder if this wasn't some kind of test that Doc was putting them through. It's either that or he's setting the Scoobies up. A kind of plan B for Glory.

I think Giles does realize just how powerful Willow has become, however to Giles for Willow to be able to enter a person's subconscious is a definite step above even what she did to Glory.

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anyone else thinking the writers set up the return of whoever closes the portal with this bit

minion to glory
"you risk terrible magicks in opening the portal, nothing comes without a price."

sounds to me like there are powerful protective magicks on the key and its use is booby trapped. perhaps tptb whoever they are, will be watching, testing and rewarding some and condeming others depending on how this plays out?

I could see buffy sacrificing herself and then finding out she passed a 'slayer test' and gets sent back
to fight again since she passed

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anyone else thinking the writers set up the return of whoever closes the portal with this bit

minion to glory
"you risk terrible magicks in opening the portal, nothing comes without a price."

sounds to me like there are powerful protective magicks on the key and its use is booby trapped. perhaps tptb whoever they are, will be watching, testing and rewarding some and condeming others depending on how this plays out?

I could see buffy sacrificing herself and then finding out she passed a 'slayer test' and gets sent back
to fight again since she passed
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The morphing was waaaaay cool! How about Amber just steals the scenes in the background! Even with limited screentime she is just awesome.

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Well....when 8:00 rolled around....I was at my mom's friend Pam's house...my mom and I ate dinner there because ....my mom is lazy and didn't want to cook LoL Sad sad I know...she has two kids 11 & 8 .....I made it VERY clear that at 8 it was to be QUIET and if they did anything I would kill them....right as they were showing scenes from past episodes the stupid 11 y/o boy comes up and changes the channel on me.....I'm yelling at this point ....if he EVER did that again his arse was MINE .....anywayz I took the remote and they sat down....well the momz kinda left us there ...they were quiet the whole episode...pretty into it...which is good I suppose...really good episode....totally lovin the Willow control...plus ...head kissage...thatz so sweet LoL I suppose I'm done with this ....Catch ya guyz later -

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posted May 15, 2001 22:04                Well....when 8:00 rolled around....I was at my mom's friend Pam's house...my mom and I ate dinner there because ....my mom is lazy and didn't want to cook LoL Sad sad I know...she has two kids 11 & 8 .....I made it VERY clear that at 8 it was to be QUIET and if they did anything I would kill them....right as they were showing scenes from past episodes the stupid 11 y/o boy comes up and changes the channel on me.....I'm yelling at this point ....if he EVER did that again his arse was MINE .....anywayz I took the remote and they sat down....well the momz kinda left us there ...they were quiet the whole episode...pretty into it...which is good I suppose...really good episode....totally lovin the Willow control...plus ...head kissage...thatz so sweet LoL I suppose I'm done with this ....Catch ya guyz later -

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Rock ON! thanks for the pictures! i love you people!

tv... why would buffy killing herself make anything better? even if it is a test? it'd be a waste of time. but at the same time I agree that may happen cause in Death of a Salesman Loman's death made everything better for his family (like i posted a while earlier about restless and willow)

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Oh WOW, Oh WOW! I can't wait till next week now! Thanks for putting up those pics!

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Oh yeah. I caught the scene in the trailer I wasn't sure what I saw, so I had to go back and watch in slow mo.

Anyway I'm doing the dance of joy right now. And those of you who have seen tonight's Angel know that isn't a pretty sight.

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Ok take the discussion of the trailer over to the mini spoilers thread. Episode speculation is not discussion BUt feel free to discuss tonight's episode. How was my forehead kiss?? 50 minutes to go for me

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How much do I love In-charge Willow? Ahhhhhh.
Really, she was everywoman in this ep: calm, forceful, funny, caring, supportive, angry.

I also liked the way Buffy wanted it to end for a moment, just like Spike warned all slayers do, back in Fool For Love.

And, yeah, that bit in the previews captured my attention more than anything else.

Bring it on!

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posted May 15, 2001 22:17             How much do I love In-charge Willow? Ahhhhhh.
Really, she was everywoman in this ep: calm, forceful, funny, caring, supportive, angry.

I also liked the way Buffy wanted it to end for a moment, just like Spike warned all slayers do, back in Fool For Love.

And, yeah, that bit in the previews captured my attention more than anything else.

Bring it on!

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cant believe no one's discussing the episode much. i really enjoyed it. not too many suprises. but, wow how willow took charge again. and she doesnt at all seem to be turning evil as some have speculated on other boards. i just hope they dont kill willow next week becuase she's getting so powerful. kinda scares me.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:22             cant believe no one's discussing the episode much. i really enjoyed it. not too many suprises. but, wow how willow took charge again. and she doesnt at all seem to be turning evil as some have speculated on other boards. i just hope they dont kill willow next week becuase she's getting so powerful. kinda scares me.IP: LoggedNaturegalCool Monster Fighter


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posted May 15, 2001 22:23            
I'm really liking what they're doing with Anya these days. I always liked her sense of humor, but I didn't like it when she had friction with Willow. The last couple eps, she's been really sweet and understanding about W/T's problems. I think I like this Anya even better.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:23             I'm really liking what they're doing with Anya these days. I always liked her sense of humor, but I didn't like it when she had friction with Willow. The last couple eps, she's been really sweet and understanding about W/T's problems. I think I like this Anya even better.

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Tonight's episode was fantastic. I loved the way Willow completely took charge of the situation. Aly gave a great performance as did Clare Kramer and the way Ben and Glory morphed back and forth arguing was awesome.

At least two of our questions have been answered, Glory has been in Ben's body for twenty-five years and Glory did use a spell to cause anyone witnessing the morphing to forget what they saw.

The best line of the night had to be Spike's "This is going to be worth it" just before he hit Xander on the back of the head in the hospital.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:26                Tonight's episode was fantastic. I loved the way Willow completely took charge of the situation. Aly gave a great performance as did Clare Kramer and the way Ben and Glory morphed back and forth arguing was awesome.

At least two of our questions have been answered, Glory has been in Ben's body for twenty-five years and Glory did use a spell to cause anyone witnessing the morphing to forget what they saw.

The best line of the night had to be Spike's "This is going to be worth it" just before he hit Xander on the back of the head in the hospital.

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Not much Tara this ep but I did let my eyes wander following her around in whatever scene she was in. LOL that first bit in the station, I was just watching her at the window and then loved her playing with the rhinestones on Willow's shirt. One scene that really got to me, Tara reaching for Willow as she walked, God it's hard seeing Tara like this. Please, oh please let their be a 'red button' next week. Also good, Spike and Xander bonding, they make a pretty good team against 'Doc', who isn't dead must have glazed right over that spoiler cause I practocally jumped when he opened his eyes.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:46               
Does anyone else wonder about the other mental patients being the ones doing alot of the perperations? Does this mean that if they weren't keeping Tara doped up that she would have led them to Glory by now?

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posted May 15, 2001 22:49               


Joel Grey made Doc seem so kind and gentle I wasn't expecting him to attack Xander and Spike. I loved it when he opened his eyes after they left, he looked so sinister. We haven't seen the last of him.

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posted May 15, 2001 22:49                Joel Grey made Doc seem so kind and gentle I wasn't expecting him to attack Xander and Spike. I loved it when he opened his eyes after they left, he looked so sinister. We haven't seen the last of him.

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Boy, I sure would love to discuss this episode. Yep yep yep. It'd be just wonderful. Oh yeah.

Well, long story short, since Joss Whedon is writing my life.

VCR is bad. VCR VERY bad. Money offered to whomever sends me a tape of "The Weight of the World" and "Through the Looking Glass."

VCR...bad.

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posted May 15, 2001 23:09                Boy, I sure would love to discuss this episode. Yep yep yep. It'd be just wonderful. Oh yeah.

Well, long story short, since Joss Whedon is writing my life.

VCR is bad. VCR VERY bad. Money offered to whomever sends me a tape of "The Weight of the World" and "Through the Looking Glass."

VCR...bad.

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doc knew the guys were there before they even got to the door

so kind of wondering if he set them up to find those papers? I mean not to put the xan man down or anything but if spike with his vamp power couldn't stand up against doc, how could xander get a drop on him and put a blade through him unless doc let him. it seemed to easy for xan to knife him and the two of them to get out with the papers. something seemed fishy there

and whats up with this only way to stop the portal from opening is buffy killing dawn stuff? I thought if they kept dawn alive and not bleeding past the bewitching hour then they couldn't use the key and all would be good, well not for glory maybe but good for the rest of the world.

anyone else wondering why the ben/glory magic is breaking down?
is it being near the key for a while or being near the time to use the key thats causing the break down?

oh and have to agree those shots of tara's umm back view, in the background with those cresents (G) definitly stole the scene ! but very tired of seeing tara in this way at this point.

editing to add, got to wonder where giles has been of late, I mean he's just now commenting on how advanced willows magics are with her going into buffy's mind spell? like her stop glory with air like tar, punch glory with air like fist, zap glory stuff isn't advanced?

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doc knew the guys were there before they even got to the door

so kind of wondering if he set them up to find those papers? I mean not to put the xan man down or anything but if spike with his vamp power couldn't stand up against doc, how could xander get a drop on him and put a blade through him unless doc let him. it seemed to easy for xan to knife him and the two of them to get out with the papers. something seemed fishy there

and whats up with this only way to stop the portal from opening is buffy killing dawn stuff? I thought if they kept dawn alive and not bleeding past the bewitching hour then they couldn't use the key and all would be good, well not for glory maybe but good for the rest of the world.

anyone else wondering why the ben/glory magic is breaking down?
is it being near the key for a while or being near the time to use the key thats causing the break down?

oh and have to agree those shots of tara's umm back view, in the background with those cresents (G) definitly stole the scene ! but very tired of seeing tara in this way at this point.

editing to add, got to wonder where giles has been of late, I mean he's just now commenting on how advanced willows magics are with her going into buffy's mind spell? like her stop glory with air like tar, punch glory with air like fist, zap glory stuff isn't advanced?

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ohhhhhh kittens. oh no no no kittens. i'm in the middle of a full fledged panic attack! i went over to parents house tonight and BEGGED for tv privledges so i could watch and tape this...and i did. last night i had a horrible nightmare that Joss kill's WILLOW off the show. (i know, i'm dreaming about this, how sick is that?) remember how, you know, we heard that buffy's signed on for two more seasons, and tara's on for next. we haven't heard about willow have we? i can't take this! during this show i had the horrible thought that what if willow has to kill tara, or tara has to kill willow? i hate this! joss, what have you done to me? you wicked wicked man!

sobs....

i dunno if i can watch next weeks show...whatever will we do until next season? months and months away....sigh

need chocolate, must have chocolate...must watch W/T video clips several more times too...

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posted May 15, 2001 23:28             ohhhhhh kittens. oh no no no kittens. i'm in the middle of a full fledged panic attack! i went over to parents house tonight and BEGGED for tv privledges so i could watch and tape this...and i did. last night i had a horrible nightmare that Joss kill's WILLOW off the show. (i know, i'm dreaming about this, how sick is that?) remember how, you know, we heard that buffy's signed on for two more seasons, and tara's on for next. we haven't heard about willow have we? i can't take this! during this show i had the horrible thought that what if willow has to kill tara, or tara has to kill willow? i hate this! joss, what have you done to me? you wicked wicked man!

sobs....

i dunno if i can watch next weeks show...whatever will we do until next season? months and months away....sigh

need chocolate, must have chocolate...must watch W/T video clips several more times too...

Arwen

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tvsurfer it did seem a bit easy for Xander to get the best of Doc given the way he handled Spike so I have to wonder if this wasn't some kind of test that Doc was putting them through. It's either that or he's setting the Scoobies up. A kind of plan B for Glory.

I think Giles does realize just how powerful Willow has become, however to Giles for Willow to be able to enter a person's subconscious is a definite step above even what she did to Glory.

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posted May 15, 2001 23:42                tvsurfer it did seem a bit easy for Xander to get the best of Doc given the way he handled Spike so I have to wonder if this wasn't some kind of test that Doc was putting them through. It's either that or he's setting the Scoobies up. A kind of plan B for Glory.

I think Giles does realize just how powerful Willow has become, however to Giles for Willow to be able to enter a person's subconscious is a definite step above even what she did to Glory.

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Postby Naturegal » Tue May 15, 2001 6:48 pm

spoiler below.....

Know this is a rush job, but here's the quick pics:




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Postby tvsurfer » Tue May 15, 2001 6:57 pm


anyone else thinking the writers set up the return of whoever closes the portal with this bit

minion to glory
"you risk terrible magicks in opening the portal, nothing comes without a price."

sounds to me like there are powerful protective magicks on the key and its use is booby trapped. perhaps tptb whoever they are, will be watching, testing and rewarding some and condeming others depending on how this plays out?

I could see buffy sacrificing herself and then finding out she passed a 'slayer test' and gets sent back
to fight again since she passed

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Postby WbBuffyfan00 » Tue May 15, 2001 7:03 pm

The morphing was waaaaay cool! How about Amber just steals the scenes in the background! Even with limited screentime she is just awesome.

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Postby hypergirl » Tue May 15, 2001 7:04 pm

Well....when 8:00 rolled around....I was at my mom's friend Pam's house...my mom and I ate dinner there because ....my mom is lazy and didn't want to cook LoL Sad sad I know...she has two kids 11 & 8 .....I made it VERY clear that at 8 it was to be QUIET and if they did anything I would kill them....right as they were showing scenes from past episodes the stupid 11 y/o boy comes up and changes the channel on me.....I'm yelling at this point ....if he EVER did that again his arse was MINE .....anywayz I took the remote and they sat down....well the momz kinda left us there ...they were quiet the whole episode...pretty into it...which is good I suppose...really good episode....totally lovin the Willow control...plus ...head kissage...thatz so sweet LoL I suppose I'm done with this ....Catch ya guyz later -

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Postby Rane » Tue May 15, 2001 7:05 pm

Rock ON! thanks for the pictures! i love you people!

tv... why would buffy killing herself make anything better? even if it is a test? it'd be a waste of time. but at the same time I agree that may happen cause in Death of a Salesman Loman's death made everything better for his family (like i posted a while earlier about restless and willow)

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Postby WOLFB8 » Tue May 15, 2001 7:06 pm

Oh WOW, Oh WOW! I can't wait till next week now! Thanks for putting up those pics!

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby LordBowler » Tue May 15, 2001 7:06 pm

Oh yeah. I caught the scene in the trailer I wasn't sure what I saw, so I had to go back and watch in slow mo.

Anyway I'm doing the dance of joy right now. And those of you who have seen tonight's Angel know that isn't a pretty sight.

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby xita » Tue May 15, 2001 7:09 pm

Ok take the discussion of the trailer over to the mini spoilers thread. Episode speculation is not discussion BUt feel free to discuss tonight's episode. How was my forehead kiss?? 50 minutes to go for me

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Postby BlackLab » Tue May 15, 2001 7:17 pm

How much do I love In-charge Willow? Ahhhhhh.
Really, she was everywoman in this ep: calm, forceful, funny, caring, supportive, angry.

I also liked the way Buffy wanted it to end for a moment, just like Spike warned all slayers do, back in Fool For Love.

And, yeah, that bit in the previews captured my attention more than anything else.

Bring it on!

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Postby mucifer » Tue May 15, 2001 7:22 pm

cant believe no one's discussing the episode much. i really enjoyed it. not too many suprises. but, wow how willow took charge again. and she doesnt at all seem to be turning evil as some have speculated on other boards. i just hope they dont kill willow next week becuase she's getting so powerful. kinda scares me.
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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby Naturegal » Tue May 15, 2001 7:23 pm

I'm really liking what they're doing with Anya these days. I always liked her sense of humor, but I didn't like it when she had friction with Willow. The last couple eps, she's been really sweet and understanding about W/T's problems. I think I like this Anya even better.

My favorite line from WOTW:
"We're good?"

Yeah, you're good.

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby Roxton » Tue May 15, 2001 7:26 pm

Tonight's episode was fantastic. I loved the way Willow completely took charge of the situation. Aly gave a great performance as did Clare Kramer and the way Ben and Glory morphed back and forth arguing was awesome.

At least two of our questions have been answered, Glory has been in Ben's body for twenty-five years and Glory did use a spell to cause anyone witnessing the morphing to forget what they saw.

The best line of the night had to be Spike's "This is going to be worth it" just before he hit Xander on the back of the head in the hospital.

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby TyRex316 » Tue May 15, 2001 7:37 pm

Not much Tara this ep but I did let my eyes wander following her around in whatever scene she was in. LOL that first bit in the station, I was just watching her at the window and then loved her playing with the rhinestones on Willow's shirt. One scene that really got to me, Tara reaching for Willow as she walked, God it's hard seeing Tara like this. Please, oh please let their be a 'red button' next week. Also good, Spike and Xander bonding, they make a pretty good team against 'Doc', who isn't dead must have glazed right over that spoiler cause I practocally jumped when he opened his eyes.
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Postby WOLFB8 » Tue May 15, 2001 7:46 pm

Does anyone else wonder about the other mental patients being the ones doing alot of the perperations? Does this mean that if they weren't keeping Tara doped up that she would have led them to Glory by now?

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Postby Roxton » Tue May 15, 2001 7:49 pm

Joel Grey made Doc seem so kind and gentle I wasn't expecting him to attack Xander and Spike. I loved it when he opened his eyes after they left, he looked so sinister. We haven't seen the last of him.

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby Beautiful Tara's Girl » Tue May 15, 2001 8:09 pm

Boy, I sure would love to discuss this episode. Yep yep yep. It'd be just wonderful. Oh yeah.

Well, long story short, since Joss Whedon is writing my life.

VCR is bad. VCR VERY bad. Money offered to whomever sends me a tape of "The Weight of the World" and "Through the Looking Glass."

VCR...bad.

~BTG
(VERY bad)

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Postby tvsurfer » Tue May 15, 2001 8:20 pm


doc knew the guys were there before they even got to the door

so kind of wondering if he set them up to find those papers? I mean not to put the xan man down or anything but if spike with his vamp power couldn't stand up against doc, how could xander get a drop on him and put a blade through him unless doc let him. it seemed to easy for xan to knife him and the two of them to get out with the papers. something seemed fishy there

and whats up with this only way to stop the portal from opening is buffy killing dawn stuff? I thought if they kept dawn alive and not bleeding past the bewitching hour then they couldn't use the key and all would be good, well not for glory maybe but good for the rest of the world.

anyone else wondering why the ben/glory magic is breaking down?
is it being near the key for a while or being near the time to use the key thats causing the break down?

oh and have to agree those shots of tara's umm back view, in the background with those cresents (G) definitly stole the scene ! but very tired of seeing tara in this way at this point.

editing to add, got to wonder where giles has been of late, I mean he's just now commenting on how advanced willows magics are with her going into buffy's mind spell? like her stop glory with air like tar, punch glory with air like fist, zap glory stuff isn't advanced?

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Postby Arwen » Tue May 15, 2001 8:28 pm

ohhhhhh kittens. oh no no no kittens. i'm in the middle of a full fledged panic attack! i went over to parents house tonight and BEGGED for tv privledges so i could watch and tape this...and i did. last night i had a horrible nightmare that Joss kill's WILLOW off the show. (i know, i'm dreaming about this, how sick is that?) remember how, you know, we heard that buffy's signed on for two more seasons, and tara's on for next. we haven't heard about willow have we? i can't take this! during this show i had the horrible thought that what if willow has to kill tara, or tara has to kill willow? i hate this! joss, what have you done to me? you wicked wicked man!

sobs....

i dunno if i can watch next weeks show...whatever will we do until next season? months and months away....sigh

need chocolate, must have chocolate...must watch W/T video clips several more times too...

Arwen

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby Roxton » Tue May 15, 2001 8:42 pm

tvsurfer it did seem a bit easy for Xander to get the best of Doc given the way he handled Spike so I have to wonder if this wasn't some kind of test that Doc was putting them through. It's either that or he's setting the Scoobies up. A kind of plan B for Glory.

I think Giles does realize just how powerful Willow has become, however to Giles for Willow to be able to enter a person's subconscious is a definite step above even what she did to Glory.

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Postby tvsurfer » Tue May 15, 2001 8:52 pm

Roxton, yes the doc bit really had the feel of a set up. I know spike sold the scoobies out to adam last year, so I kind of don't expect that to be repeated. but doc is one very powerful demon so not thinking xan-man and spike walked away with that stuff without doc wanting them too. he knew they were coming he could have ditched it before they got there if he didn't want them to have it

editing to ad, I have to admit since I really only watch the show for W&T, and after them my next fav is giles well, this eppie isn't high on my list of the best of buffy eppies. In fact it felt more like it was written to cover for geller being away filming in OZ, than a May Sweeps block buster lead in for the 100th eppie. There really wasn't much plot advancement
other than they started merging ben and glory's minds/character and thus knocked ben out of the 'innocent human' category and giving glory a achilles heel/human guilt complex

umm and (G) why is the maiden in distress always tied up on a platform of some kind?

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Postby Roxton » Tue May 15, 2001 8:57 pm

I have to wonder if this will be the surprise twist in the plot. Since I've been going spoiler free it's only a guess.
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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby imperfectly » Tue May 15, 2001 9:16 pm

I loved the take charge Willow. That was one of those Mastercard moments. Erecting a wall to keep out an army. Just magic. Rescuing the Slayer from a coma. Kid stuff. Telling the Scoobies to shut up and listen. Priceless. Whatever happens in the final episode, it’s clear Willow will play a major role.

I agree, I think Doc was a setup. It was too easy (not taking anything away from Spike and Xander’s prowess, but…) Plus what’s with his weird tongue thing. He’s like frogger gone mad.

As for the Ben/Glory morphing scene, very interesting. Something to note: Glory is starting to feel pain. Hmmmm.

Me thinks the “Death is your gift” line will definitely be a factor in the finale.

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby Rane » Tue May 15, 2001 9:16 pm

i dont know if this is allowed or not but if it isn't just delete. Here's Hercs review from *aint it cool news* for the ep.

Buffy 5.21 FAQ
What’s the new “Buffy” called?
“The Weight of the World.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Doug Petrie (author of the Spike-centric “Fool For Love,” the Glory-introducing “No Place Like Home” and the watcher-heavy “Checkpoint”).

What’s TV Guide say?
“Willow psychically enters Buffy's troubled subconscious in an effort to somehow reach the Slayer, who has been rendered catatonic by Glory's abduction of Dawn. Meanwhile, Glory vents her frustrations on the limitations of being part human to a frightened Dawn; and Spike, Xander and Giles work on undermining the hell god's nefarious plans.”

Why did Buffy go all catatonic at the end of last episode?
We learn that Buffy came to believe (at some point earlier in the season) that there was no way she could save Dawn from Glory. Now that Glory actually has Dawn, Buffy has collapsed into a coma of shame, wracked with guilt about having given up on her kid sister.

Is Buffy catatonic the whole hour?
She snaps out of it just before episode's end.

The big news?
Willow has turned into Marvel Girl! When Xander and Spike start to tussel, the telekinetic redhead flings them violently into opposite corners of the derelict gas station without lifting a finger! And her telepathic ability (while perhaps not on Professor Xavier’s level, I will point out here as nerdily as possible) is sufficient to coax the slayer back from the abyss!

Cool!
Not only that, but with Buffy and Giles on the injury list, former nerd/wallflower Will steps up to lead the Scoobs! By the end of the first act, she’s handing out marching orders: Xander, take Giles to hospital; Anya, look after Tara; Spike, find Glory; I’ll deal with Buffy.

What’s good?
The Mr. Short-Term Memory stuff provokes many a guffaw.

Mr. Short-Term Memory stuff?
Remember how, many episodes ago, Dawn witnessed Ben turning into Glory, then immediately forgot all about it?

We do...
All of the scoobies who witnessed Ben turning into Glory last week have completely forgotten about it!

What? All the scoobies?
All of them. Unless you consider Spike part of the slayer circle!

So Spike remembers?
Witness this exchange:

SPIKE: Will, don’t turn me into a horned toad for asking, but what if we come across Ben?

WILLOW: I don’t think a doctor is what Buffy needs right now.

SPIKE: Well, yeah. Especially not one who also happens to be Glory.

GILES: What do you mean?

SPIKE: You know. Ben is Glory.

WILLOW: You mean Ben’s with Glory?

XANDER: “With” in what sense?

ANYA: They’re working together?

SPIKE: No… Ben is Glory, Glory’s Ben. They’re one and the same.

ANYA: Well, when did all this happen?

SPIKE: Not one hour ago! Right here, before your very eyes. Ben came, turned into Glory, snatched the kid and vanished, remember? You do remember? (The scoobs just stare at Spike like he’s nuts.) Is everyone in here very stoned? Ben! Glory! He’s a doctor, she’s the beast! Two entirely separate entities sharing one body! It’s like a bloody sitcom. Surely you remember!

XANDER: So you’re saying Ben and Glory…

ANYA: Have a connection?

GILES: Yes, obviously, but what kind?

(Spike is getting so frustrated he begins to laugh.)

SPIKE: Oh, I get it! Very crafty. Glory’s worked the kind of mojo where anyone who’s seen her little presto-chango instantly forgets. And yours truly, being something other than human, stands immune.

WILLOW: So Ben and Glory are the same person?

XANDER: Glory can turn into Ben, and Ben turns back into Glory.

ANYA: And anyone who sees it instantly forgets!

SPIKE (touching his own nose) Kewpie doll for the lady!

GILES: Excellent. Now -- do we suspect there might be some kind of connection between Ben and Glory? (Spike clenches his eyes shut in frustration.)

Do we finally see the under-contruction Sunnydale highrise that will serve as the site of the season finale?
We do. Well, at least its interiors.

What’s doing with Glory?
Glory’s human body seems to be exerting an influence on the hellgod. She says she’s feeling guilt about all the horror she’s planning, and whinily protests that she doesn’t understand why. “I’m not supposed to feel guilty. I’m not supposed to feel anything. I’m a god. I’m supposed to be above it all!”

So there’s hope for Dawn?
Yes, but not a lot. There’s considerably more hope when Ben reappears and helps Dawn escape.

So Ben is still a good guy?
We learn this week that Spike is officially a better boyfriend than Ben. After Ben and Dawn escape Glory’s lair, there’s a marathon morphing session wherein Glory and Ben converse for the first time. Glory offers Ben immortality if he climbs aboard for the big win. Ben, realizing cooperating with Glory is the only possible way he can survive, agrees. When we last see him, he’s dragging Dawn back toward Glory’s lair.

What’s the inside of Buffy’s head look like?
It’s busy replaying two moments: the best and the worst of Buffy’s life. The best, featuring a five-year-old Buffy, was when Buffy met her newborn sister for the first time. The worst, featuring a 20-year-old Buffy, was when Buffy realized she couldn’t save her sister from Glory.

We see Hank and Joyce?
Dean Butler and Kristine Sutherland guest-star, however fleetingly.

What else lurks in Buffy’s tortured brain?
Willow witnesses a replay of the First Slayer informing Buffy that “Death is your gift.” Dawn’s pillow and Joyce’s grave put in surreal appearances.

What’s up with Doc?
Xander and Spike pay him a visit hoping to find Glory. (Note that Spike is aware that Doc is a demon even before this week’s visit.) Doc advises against any dealings with the hellgod: “Glory. Glory. Oh! You don’t mean Glorificus? Why do you want to get mixed up with her for, that’s a sure way to get yourselves killed!” But before the scene ends, Doc will be revealed to be a Glory worshipper, he will exhibit a surprising physical attribute, and Xander will ram a sword through Doc’s demon heart.

How does it end?
Giles reveals the awful truth.

Herc’s rating for “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” 5.21?
****

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Discussion S5E 21 The Weight of the World

Postby meo_willowtarafan » Tue May 15, 2001 9:45 pm

Giles & Willow Power: Also we've been show that Giles prizes his intellect as his great asset to the Scoobies. To have someone ...enter his mind .. probably seems so much more advanced ....and scary for him.
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