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Postby VampNo12 » Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:27 pm

Aly's comments to Wanda just re-inforces the notion that she truly worried about portraying DMW or being a "bitch" as she says. She seems to really care how viewers react to her character, and this just makes me feel so bad for her. I mean yes she got to sink her teeth into some "meaty" scenes as an actress, but it must of bothered her to watch her once sweet/lovable character be uttely destroyed in the end.
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Postby Rally » Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:41 pm

1. Alyson Hannigan, Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Let me just say that Buffy the Vampire Slayer deserves more Emmy nominations than any show. But here, forgive me, I'm choosing "sidekick" over Slayer, because really, this season was all about Alyson. She didn't just nail her role, she "kicked every square inch of its ass."

Over the years, Alyson has done the seemingly impossible: transitioned from a doe-eyed computer geek to a doe-slaying Wiccan who, this season, developed a dangerous addiction to dark magic that left a mortal unskinned and nearly brought upon the end of the world. Our cutie pie Aly was one evil bitch, and she was damn good at it.

And lest you think the real Hannigan has anything in common with her wicked alter ego, you should know she feels guilty for even playing the part of Evil Willow: "I just hope fans don't totally hate me now!" Alyson told me at a recent Buffy event at the TV Academy. "It was fun doing the kick-ass stuff, but it was terrifying, because I just felt like such a bitch. I was like, 'Oh, dear!' "
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Postby AutumnT » Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:55 pm

Aly. God bless her. She's been worried about this all season. Because she loves Willow. Maybe more than any of us. I keep going back to that interview early in the season when you can just see how conflicted she is. And how much she loves Willow and wants us to as well.

You know, as bad as it has been thank God Aly and Amber have got it all along.
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Postby hilarita » Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:12 pm

both amber and aly are such stellar people, i am in constant awe of them. i hope they know we have nothing but love for them.
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Postby WebWarlock » Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:00 am

I can go on a great lengths about how bad season 6 was, but there is one thing I can't deny. Aly was freaking amazing. They should give her the "I made the best of the worst shit writing of the year and I still out acted everyone around me" emmy.

I have nothing against the other actors, in fact I still think a lot of them are very talented, but come on.

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Postby Alirissa » Fri Jun 21, 2002 2:35 am

I finally watched the last two episodes of season 6 a couple of days ago. They were just awful. Not "Oh my God, what awful things are happening to these poor people." But awful in terms of the story was just so stupid and the dialogue made me laugh in places I wasn't suppose to laugh. But despite all of that, Alyson Hannigan shined above it all and really gave a stellar performance. The episodes were worth watching just for her.
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Postby Coma123 » Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:02 am

Here's another report about the event that I'm cutting and pasting from the Cross and Stake. Nothing new but take a look at what the posters reaction to Joss and Tara's death. Kinda interesting maybe we're slowly getting to him?

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I met James tonight. Ok, it's not as if we were introduced. It was more one of those he's on stage, affably squatting down to greet people, and I'm right there in front of him making with the smiles and he's making with the big blue eye contact and the smiles and just as we're about to, you know, really bond ...some cruel handler type grabs him and reminds him about "that thing" he has to do. He looks as if he's sincerely heartbroken that he can't talk stay there and talk to me and all his other adoring fans all night long. He apologizes, and rises and off he goes... sigh.

A very kind friend, to whom I will be forever indebted, invited me to go along this evening to the Buffy Behind the Scenes show for TV Academy members. (I happened to be in LA this week for a funeral, so this came as a very unexpected surprise during a difficult week). There was some confusion about the tickets, which didn't arrive when they were supposed to, so we really weren't at all sure we'd get in until just about 2 hours before show time. But not only did we get in, we also got excellent seats right in the first non-VIP row, about 20 feet from the stage.

So here, to the best of my recollection, is an account of the show.

Joss is angling for an Emmy nomination, and tonights program was part of the pre-Emmy nomination hype. It began with a video featuring highlights of season 6, quick cuts of various scenes underscored with music that was obviously designed to be upbeat and amusing. For example, during several shots of scenes of Buffys death and return from the grave, we heard Look on the bright side of death from Monty Pythons Life of Brian. We saw Buffy taking her famous dive from The Gift and the risen Buffy huddling against the walls, hiding from both demons and her friends. We saw Xander and Anya in the Magic Shop in their scene from the finale in which she tells him cant kill him and hasnt decided whether she really wants him dead. We saw Buffy and Spikes final scene from
Smashed, followed by the wake-up in the morning scene from Wrecked with her line When did the house fall down? (the audience laughed loudly). We saw Buffy and Black Magic Willow facing off in the Magic Box. The longest section was from Once More With Feeling, where Buffys introductory song Going Through The Motions was the background music for a montage of scenes from the musical, ending with Spike and Buffys kiss. The audience cheered and applauded loudly for the musical.

Then the panel was introduced -- Joss, Marti, James, Aly, Nick, Michelle, Carey I forget his last name and Someone else whose last name Im also blanking on -- the production designer and make up (lighting?) guy.

James was on our end of the stage, maybe 20 feet away. He was wearing black pants (not jeans), a black western style shirt that looked vaguely familiar and various pieces of silver jewelry (neck chain, bracelet, several rings, a watch). His hair was gorgeous -- quite a bit of dark was showing through the blond. He was slender and generally smaller than he looks on TV, as is so often true of actors. The cheekbones were very chiseled this evening. Michelle, also small, looked lovely and more grown up than she looks on TV. Nick did not look as heavy as he has appeared this year -- he was better looking in person than hes appeared on the show this year. Aly looked particularly Willow-ish, in jeans and a peasant-style blouse with long loose sleeves. She is very pretty. Her hair was reddish and shoulder-length. Joss looked dorky as usual, in one of those ridiculous Hawaiian-type shirts and baggy pants. Marti was very pregnant.

Alex Denisoff was in the audience, a couple of rows in front of us. Mmm...hunky. A few of the others there looked vaguely familiar -- perhaps they played bit parts on the show, or else they were family members. The actress who played Cousin Carol in Hells Bells was standing directly in front of us, chatting with a reporter. Someone who looked a lot like Nick Brendan, and may have been his twin, was also there.

The moderator was a reporter, Janet Weeks, from TV Guide. She proceeded to ask a bunch of questions, many of which weve heard asked before. The only thing that was completely new to me and clearly a season one spoiler was this tidbit -- Joss said that the first episode will feature the grand re-opening of Sunnydale High School, where Dawn will be starting up as a student (shell be the same age Buffy was during the first season). So that explains the back to high school references weve heard about. I assume that means the Scooby gang will once again be in danger from the hellmouth, which is, after all, under the high school.

(Aly commented that she would have been in big trouble if she had leaked that particular piece of info about Sunnydale High reopening, but since Joss leaked it, it was ok).

Since a lot of people want to know what, if anything, was said about Spikes character, the word is, not much. Joss did absolutely confirm Jane Espensons claim that Spike was going to Africa to get a soul, not to get the chip removed. We were, Joss said, supposed to believe that hed gone to get the chip out, but then we had what Joss jokingly referred to as a plot twist -- ah hah, hes really gone to get a soul. He also promised It (the plot twist) will pay off, whatever that means.

To the usual question, but is he going to be like Angel, James loudly asserted No, no no! (and there will not be any cross overs with AtS). Joss agreed that he will not be like Angel, although he did say something to the effect that some aspects may be like Angel, but no, theyre not going to do the same thing again. Will be be able to have sex? James pretended to be insulted by the question, but yes, it seems Spike will be able to have sex, no Angel-like problem (this is all pretty much what weve heard before, of course). Joss said he wants to challenge James, and promised that next year will be unlikek anything James has ever had to do before. James said its always challenging, and If were not getting the shit scared out of us, they know somethings wrong.

What was significant about the above was Joss's statement that Spike will perhaps in some ways be similar to Angel (remorse?), yet, at the same time, his insistence that whatever JM will be doing as an actor will be different from anything he's done before. Hmmm...

James was asked about his sex scenes in season six. He laughed and said, yeah typically I was in a sock and Sarah was fully clothed. There was some laughter exchanged about how cold it was and everyone else was dressed, but there was poor James and his little sock, to which James immediately retorted, my big sock!

The actors were seated on one side of the moderator, and Joss, Marti, and the two production crew chiefs on the other side. The actors seemed to be very close -- good friends instead of professionals just tolerating one another. Nick was particularly lively, cracking jokes and at times coming on a bit too strong. James was energetic and constantly moving around in his seat, speaking up when it seemed appropriate, but not trying to dominate the discussion in any way. I noticed that he does the tongue thing often when he reacts or laughs -- its not just a Spike thing. Hes just naturally sexy! But as others have noted, he seems less like his character than the others do. Nick seems a lot like Xander and I was surprised at how much Aly seems like Willow. Michelle seemed much more self-possessed and mature than Dawn. She was also quite articulate when she spoke up, and absolutely a sweetheart afterwards while sighing autographs and posing for pictures.

Joss was asked about this seasons dark turn. He jokingly said, Really? First Ive heard of it. He also said, Oops. James defended the darkness of the season, noting that all the characters are changing as they grow older, and that people really do go through dark periods like these. Both he and Joss talked about moving away from metaphor this year, towards the more painful reality of life as it is actually lived. James said he thought it was good if they attracted a slightly older audience with the more mature themes.

Theyve clearly been criticized for this season a great deal already, and Joss acknowledged that perhaps they had gone too far into the depressive stuff. Marti, in her usual Marti fashion, claimed that the Spike Buffy relationship was driving the plot for much of the season, and repeated that it was destructive, blah blah. She also said that perhaps they didnt really how disturbed they were actually going to get. (No specific details were mentioned, like the attempted rape or the alley beating). She noted that theyd received a lot of mail expressing the desire for more of a romantic story, but that this was not the story they had intended (or wanted) to tell. She did not say anything, one way or the other, to indicate whether a more romantic love story would ever be told. Neither did Joss. He emphasized again that next year will move back to the original mission statement and explore the joy of female power. This statement was received with loud applause from the audience.

Joss said that Buffy will not continue her job at Doublemeat Palace because they had actually most advertisers over that --the only thing, he claims, that they lost any advertisers over. Apparently it's not kosher to make fun of fast good in the good old USA ;)

Other things I jotted down -- Nick said that he had cried when reading his scene in the finale (with Josss edits, including the line about the crayons). Everyone on stage (and seemingly in the audience) agreed that the speech was great and that it was amazing to be able to do these great scenes written by great writers like Joss (I liked the scene, so I have no complaints about this). Joss mentioned with sarcasm seeing an internet post that said that stuff about the crayon really sucked. He does not seem to be too impressed with whats said about the show on the net. Michelle joked that Dawn will probably steal the crayon.

On the question of can we redeem Willow for killing Warren and trying to destroy the world, James said, yeah of course we can, but thats not to say itll be easy. Joss said shell go through some major recriminations, but theyre not going to have her moping around all season. Aly herself was asked if shed known how evil Willow was going to get. She said no, and was startled when she saw the final scripts. She said she realized something big was up when her make-up sessions were scheduled to take an hour longer than usual, and she complained to Joss this evening: How come I had to look all veiny?

The Tara death issue came up briefly, and Joss seemed a little bit defensive. They didnt get into the lesbian cliche thing at all, but they emphasized that killing Tara with a gun was once again meant to show that this was real life -- brutal and mundane, and senseless and nothing mystical and romantic about it at all. In real life, people that you love die. He also said hed wanted to make a statement about guns, and that the reference in Flooded to the gun in the bank robbery these things are rarely useful, or WTTE was meant to tie in with Warrens act in Seeing Red.

Aly said that the worst part of filming the scene at the end of Seeing Red where Tara is shot was that the blood that was supposed to spatter on her blouse did not spatter correctly, so they had to do the scene over and over to get the blood right. By the time they finally got a good take, she was no longer thinking about her own performance, but asking was the blood good?

Everyone in the cast seemed sincerely saddened by Tara's death on the show, but they also seemed to be in agreement that it was dramatically necessary.

Michelle is hoping for more grown-up scenes next year -- she told Joss she wants to wear heels occasionally, not just sneakers all the time ;) . Joss said she wont be whining next year, and the audience clapped loudly. Michelle commented that she hoped she wouldnt keep getting hate mail about what a spoiled brat she is.

James said emphatically at one point, I will NOT bleach my hair during the off season. His hair looked yummy with the roots showing.

To the question, are you spread too thin with Firefly and all his other projects, Joss claimed hes not. He says hes grown more focused over the years and will still be involved in Buffy in a major way next year.

And thats pretty much it. It was pretty damn exciting to see so many members of the Buffy team together, and James seemed just as affable and friendly as everyone else always reports him to be. Unfortunately he left before anyone else...the rest of the gang, including Joss, hung around for quite a while chatting with audience members, posing for pics and signing autographs.

After all this, I do so hope they get an Emmy nomination for something!

--Linda
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Postby vix84 » Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:03 am

It's true.

Whether in the most miserable episodes (SR), badly-written episodes (Villains) or delicious episodes (last 15 secs of Entropy), Aly manages to shine, make every viewer feel an intense emotion.

Oh and Amber...I won't even go into what she does to some viewers :blush

I personally think that the two (and Michelle T) are amazing for still - despite the terrible plots and writing - managing to create realistic, beautiful characters.

Joss: Go change your shirt, then find some other way to fulfill your ego and make money
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Postby Unregistered(d) » Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:22 am

I'm just come back home from my three vacation days and.........I'm so so happy to be back on this board!!!!!! :)
Thank you very very much Hellcay, Bob and KrisBo5 for posting pictures and the report of the event!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes me happy!!!!!! :bounce
After I have read and saw all of your reports I can only say: Aly is amazing!!!! She's fantastic, so beautiful, a sweetheart!!!!
She is a real nice person to meet and it must be really friendly!!!!!! She looks fabulous in the photos!!!!!!! :D
God bless Aly!!!! :grin
She and Amber Benson are the best!!!!! :cool

I really don't care what Joss and ME will say from now to the beginnig of the next season.

I belive in Aly in Amber! That's the only important point for me.
I have a little more faith from now, after Aly has said "you never know".
I don't think Aly would say that if something wasn't up, and I particularly don't think 'Amber would use the words 'back' and 'hopefully' if she didn't think there was a chance for her came back.
They both knows that a lot of people belive in them, love them and they know how we feel now, so, I really don't think that they have said something like that knowing that Tara stay dead forever!
And, we have seen how Aly loves her character and I'm sure she will be not happy to see Tara dead!

I have a little hope! Don't hate me, but Aly words make me more happy today!


Ps: I love this board!!!!!!!!!!!! And all of you!!! Really! You all are so nice!!!!!!!!!!




Willow and Tara forever!!!!!!
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Postby Penrose Orleans » Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:25 am

It's a shame that they don't, in fact,give out the aforementioned "Do Brilliant Things With Horrid Dialogue/Plot" Award-- it's strange how often you would have to give it out, and not just on Buffy! Poor Aly, needing to take a 2-D cliche and give it life! (She did it, though!)
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Postby Kendahl897 » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:46 am

Don't worry btvs sara82,
We all love you on this board. Keep the faith, but don't get your hopes TOO high until we have something more concrete, such as contract news for Amber.
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Fri Jun 21, 2002 2:26 pm

[quote:b3e4714edc][b:b3e4714edc][i:b3e4714edc]Quote:[/i:b3e4714edc][/b:b3e4714edc]
Everyone in the cast seemed sincerely saddened by Tara's death on the show, but they also seemed to be in agreement that it was dramatically necessary.
[/quote:b3e4714edc]

Gotta say, no, it really wasn't. Oh, but count me in on the Aly love. The woman's amazing.
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Jun 21, 2002 2:41 pm

With their boss sitting right there, how could they not? Anyone who disagreed could find their own character's death suddenly becoming "dramatically important" as well. :rolleyes
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Postby Big Dummy » Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:36 pm

Just picked up this little tidbit from www.zentertainment.com/ar...e=&order=0 in response to the conversation about Tara's death scene after Aly comments on the whole shirt thing. (Try to ignore the spelling..it really is depressing, isn't it?) :D


[quote:07f18d515b][b:07f18d515b][i:07f18d515b]Quote:[/i:07f18d515b][/b:07f18d515b]
Everyone mourned the passing of Tara. Nick said he and his wife cried after Tara said, they're something on your shirt. .......... Joss said, but didn't Dark Willow rock?! -- to much applause.
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Too bad you can't hear the sound of people giving you the finger.
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:39 pm

Ugg.
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Postby WebWarlock » Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:43 pm

Idiot.

At least I can sit back and think that NB and his wife got it.

Joss said what he said only to break the tension (or maybe to praise Aly). He is sick of hearing about how he killed Tara I am sure. Well too damn bad.

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Postby friskylez » Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:05 pm

I say again how much i detest Joss, what a twit, he just cannot and will not ever say " i phucked up when i killed Tara"...What an arrogant asshole, Joss you are a dickhead and im still waiting on that dickhead emoticon..Would save me alot of typing..What a putz and Marti you are no better...

Get over yourselves...Not concerned over what was written on the internet, if you were pinnochio your nose would have gone thru the roof Joss, we know youre lying..Wait till they cancel Buffy Joss and we will have the last laugh :lol
:puke :puke :puke
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Postby slayer747 » Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:26 pm

if this is offensive, i'm sorry. there's no politically correct way to describe what joss is.


joss.is.a.dickhead.
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Postby tommo » Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:32 pm

Well I do admire Alyson's silence rather than approval of the direction the show has taken this year. I mean, she loves Willow and always has done. God only knows what she said when she discovered where Willow was heading.

And yes, nobody with half a brain is going to complain about their character or the show with the creator of said show sitting right by them. In some ways, I'm wondering if we've been given the opportunity to hear as fully from Alyson as we're likely to. I don't know.
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Postby Killin Joke » Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:03 am

I've got only one word for Aly... Well, actually I got heaps of 'm, but if I had to come up with just 1 it would be: "Respect !" Goodness gracious sweetheart of Tara... She says all the right words, straight from the heart: she sooo gets it ! And that feels really good to know (even though changes are slipping our Tara will be back...) At least Aly's striving to protect her character in memory of Tara.
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Postby Scout » Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:14 pm

According to Joss, he knows something is a good idea when it upsets him, angers the fans, and causes massive controversy. So how does he know when its a bad idea? Odds are if it was a bad idea, hed get the same reaction hed feel badly, the fans would be upset, and controversy would reign.

How can you run a good TV show when you cant tell the difference between a good decision and a bad decision? Oh, thats right he doesnt run a good TV show anymore. I guess that explains it.

[i:b41d0b3d2b] sigh[/i:b41d0b3d2b]one day the bitterness will end. Maybe on my deathbed.
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:02 pm

There are times when doing something upsetting makes sense. The finales of S2 and S5 are good examples of that.

The thing is, it has to make sense in the overall context of the story. If it's something upsetting, that's more true than at any other time when you're writing. Now, I'm sure Joss would claim that Tara's death fits that criterion, but the overall quality of and negative reaction to S6 refutes him. The fact is that Willow was already on course for a dark magic smackdown encounter with Buffy, and it wouldn't have required Tara's death at all, until Joss fudged the storyline and threw in 10 episodes worth of useless addiction nonsense just so he could get Tara's blood spattered on Willow's shirt.

There's a saying - "In writing, you must kill all your darlings." I've actually seen people quote it as a defense of Tara's death, but that's not the kind of "darling" the quote is talking about. What it means is this - if you've got a scene or a dialogue exchange that you're completely enamored of, you need to cut it, because chances are you're going to distort the rest of your story in order to fit it in. We know that Joss had the death scene all the way down to Tara's final words last summer. If it was that crystal-clear in his head, it should have been a sign that doing it was a bad idea.
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Postby AutumnT » Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:16 pm

Bob, excellent point about the darlings quote and exactly right. The entire season was distorted to serve that particular vision of a blood splatter. Characters went ways that did not make sense. Storylines got heavy handed losing the subtlety that the show used to be famous for. It all went askew and lost it's focus. It's funny to have to hear them say that next season will [b:91dd11af67] go back[/b:91dd11af67] to being female empowering. That was supposed to be the whole premise of the series. I just listened to Joss blather on about it again last night on the season 2 DVD commentary. They left their whole premise for "your shirt". If that's not distortion I don't know what is.
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Postby Kendahl897 » Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:39 pm

They clearly had this vision of theirs before last season ever ended, or Amber would have been made a regular, yet Joss was able to go out and give interviews where he proclaimed that he had no plans to send Tara anywhere. So clearly Joss has no problems with lies and spin..What does everyone think he's going to say-"Hey, we fucked up." -No
But you know what, this is Hollywood--money and ratings talk, and Joss has seriously lost some ratings this past season. Hollywood is littered with great shows that literally imploded. Buffy is starting to look like another one in the heap........
When Hellcat told Alyson that she loved Willow and Tara and she was sorry that it had to end, and Aly said "you never know", I did, in all honesty, take a little comfort from that. She could have easily put the final nail in the coffin by saying something like "I know, I'm sorry for your pain, etc". I think she understands what Wilow/Tara meant more than Joss ever could...
Unless they make some drastic changes this season, and that includes bringing Tara back to Willow among other things, I can't see the ratings coming back. I hope ME has enough common sense to see this too.
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Postby Penrose Orleans » Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:23 pm

I don't know, Kendahl-- as much as I'd like to believe that it's possible, I can't imagine the ratings bouncing back after such a horrible downturn, even if W/T does return as a part of the show-- there are deeper problems than that, even though Tara's death was symptomatic of the Joss ego trip which is Buffy's biggest problem right now.
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Postby El Gato » Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:33 pm

thanks for the reports! that ALY = one class act! GREAT to hear!!

as for the rest of the cast, they are sticking with the "party line" 'cause they HAVE to. Joss is the boss, he signs the pay checks & in any business - you never kow where you will be in the future, so you can't piss off the boss!! can't trust the party line, especially when it comes from ME!!

but...it's so hard NOT to be a little bit excited!! Thanks Aly, goddess I love her SO much!!
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Postby eccentrictulip » Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:26 pm

i just attempted to wade through this thread (i didn't even know it was here!) aly sounds so gracious and understanding, unlike other people who shall remain nameless....
anyway, i don't know if what i'm going to write will make sense at all, or if it should even go here, so mods feel free to delete this....
so, joss has created this amazing relationship between two women, and it's actually made it's way into primetime television, on a very popular show, which has never really happened before....given that there really are no other gay/lesbian relationships portrayed on network tv, especially in such a positive light, joss and ME had a responsibility the second willow/tara came onto the scene whether they wanted it or not. (well, in my opinion they did anyway) when you know that this relationship has broken so much ground in the gay/lesbian and straight communities, and sent out so many positive messages, how in all good conscience can you end it so horribly, in one of the most cliched ways in existence???? i know that you have to do what you have to do for the story, etc etc etc....when i'm onstage, there's no better feeling than when you make people cry (sadistic, i know) knowing that you got so much emotion out of people, that you got them to feel something is amazing, so from that standpoint, i completely understand where ME is coming from. however, that responsibility thing still comes into play. joss knew that the w/t relationship helped so many people in gay and straight communites--it made huge steps in terms of acceptance....and for all those steps, we got twice as many steps backwards. i guess what i mean is that there were other, more creative, much more positive, and more powerful ways joss could have found to portray this relationship. and who knows--maybe he will fix it. we'll see....
well, anyway, i'm sorry if this is in the wrong place, and i have a feeling it probably is....i hope i made a little sense....feel free to delete/move this if need be....have fun kittens :love
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:48 pm

eccentrictulip, your post makes total sense. And I agree with every word you said.
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Postby Epicurus » Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:38 pm

Ill bet Joss has a good conscience because he is deluded enough to believe that he writes for the story but in fact he writes despite the story.

Also, ya know, Joss doesnt even get the point so he probably wouldnt even realize that he should feel guilty for destroying such a positive and influential relationship.
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Postby Penrose Orleans » Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:42 pm

Yeah, he's still on his ego trip from "proving" to everyone that he could do whatever he wants to whatever character he wants... please... I'll bet I know what Freud would say... ;)
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