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Postby Coma123 » Thu May 23, 2002 12:30 am

Great post by Lisa of Nine.
May I make a suggestion and can other people write to the writer (hmm strange sentence). Naturally be polite and courteious and explain the reasons why we are angry. Point her in the direction of the FAQ. Get her to understand there is more to this then the 'strory'.
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Postby W0LFIX » Thu May 23, 2002 12:36 am

Haven't even seen it and all I can say is it sounds like fanfic writers took over ME and subjected us to their lacklustre bullshit.

I'm not going to diss Joss until I've seen the eps, but please, people, if you're getting all anti-Buffy, just watch season 3! I finally saw the whole thing yesterday and it's just great. He coulda done the finale a bit better, but hey, no one's perfect.

I think it's about time the show got crap so we can take a step back and realise (as hard as it is to do, I know, really!) that Buffy isn't everything. For sure, it satisfied a craving deep inside most of us for something different, something insane, someting beautiful and something that just wasn't life, but now it's over and it's time to either move onto another good show or just quit the vicarious life.

Don't take this as an attack - it's a self-realisation, that's all, and I'm sure there is at least one person who's in the same place as me and knows what I'm trying to say.

All good things come to an end.

Oh, bar one :)
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Postby neroden1 » Thu May 23, 2002 2:45 am

There are plenty of us young males out here who are disgusted by this. If this is what they think is appropriate to attract "boys", well, nice stereotyping of boys as shallow misogynists. (Not that there aren't lots of shallow misogynistic boys, but there are lots of us who aren't, too!)
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Postby Kaisyn » Thu May 23, 2002 4:15 am

You know, I watched it trying to be the producer that I am, instead of the huge Amber Benson fan that I am, and I did ok. Had they chosen to destroy any other character than Willow, I would have been better. Aly did one heck of a job pulling it off though. She showed her talent as an actress unlike some of the other females that have been on the show that seem to be just playing themselves because they play the same role over and over outside of Buffy. But my one prominent comment when it was over was..."Hey, does Sarah McLaughlin have a new CD coming out? I haven't heard this one before." So I guess that about summed it up.
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Postby tyche » Thu May 23, 2002 5:01 am

Sadly, their review is gushing, but you can express your displeasure at the Willow plotline in their poll:
www.cinescape.com/0/Television_2.asp
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Postby Warduke » Thu May 23, 2002 5:14 am

[quote:21fc53311d][b:21fc53311d][i:21fc53311d]Quote:[/i:21fc53311d][/b:21fc53311d]
but please, people, if you're getting all anti-Buffy, just watch season 3!
[/quote:21fc53311d]

And why would I want to watch S3? Oh yeah, no Tara and Oz is there, yeah, that's what I want to watch :rolleyes

It doesn't matter what Joss did in the other seasons, what matters is what he did to this one...he destroyed it.
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Postby WebWarlock » Thu May 23, 2002 7:29 am

Watched it last night at my wife's insistance, here is all I am going to say.

I missed Giles. I would have liked to have seen him back sooner, or in something else.

Aly is one of the best actresses I have seen in a long time. She outshines everyone on this show.

Glad it's over.

Warlock.
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Postby Denial Queen » Thu May 23, 2002 7:41 am

Yeah, I didn't realize how much i missed giles.

BTW, did anybody else think of Yoda when giles came in and fought willow? :grin

ok, it's just me then.
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Postby Lindy » Thu May 23, 2002 7:54 am

[quote:ae929ac4e0][b:ae929ac4e0][i:ae929ac4e0]Quote:[/i:ae929ac4e0][/b:ae929ac4e0]
Orginally posted by Warduke:
And why would I want to watch S3? Oh yeah, no Tara and Oz is there, yeah, that's what I want to watch

It doesn't matter what Joss did in the other seasons, what matters is what he did to this one...he destroyed it.
[/quote:ae929ac4e0]

Yep.. I have posted this before, but I say it again. I can't watch anything of season 3 (or any other season for that matter), because it just hurts to see Willow, I can't stand VampWillow anymore and even Faith doesn't help a bit. I loved season 3, my god, it was the best thing I saw on TV ever. But the end of season 6 destroyes all that. The foreshadowing of all former seasons that didn't lead to anything good, just to distruction and pain and wrong messages.. it hurts to watch that.

If I want season 3 I read Final Exam.
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Postby Rosenberg » Thu May 23, 2002 8:13 am

If I want season 3 I read Final Exam."

My sentiments exactly. I can no longer view episodes from previous seasons after what's happened this year. They no longer hold my interest knowing what it's all leading up to. I was never a big fan of Season 3 anyway (except for Faith's appearance). I have absolutely no desire to go back and watch Willow and Oz. Anything pre-Tara holds little interest for me. If I want season 3 BtVS, Ill go to Ruths universe and treat myself to some wonderful high school W/T moments.
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Postby WilTaraFan » Thu May 23, 2002 10:37 am

Can you tell me where I can find this site that has Ruth's Willow and Tara high school stories. Thanks.

Kudos!!!
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Postby urnofosiris » Thu May 23, 2002 10:43 am

you can find it on the Different Colored Pens, the creative arm of the Kitten The Witches and The Bad Wardrobe, dedicated to W/T and A/A. :) You can't miss it really, it is a huge thread.
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Postby hellmouthhottie20 » Thu May 23, 2002 10:54 am

well just seen two to go. being in the uk we have to wait another whole week for grave.
Iam happy that giles came back, but he was missing his specs, have they gon the same way as miss kitty!
Alys acting was kick ass, as always. I actually like dawn and think she had another great episode.
But for me the best bit had to be when buffy took her wooly hat off and she had hat hair for almost a whole minute .lol
Sadly though the gapping hole left in me after tara died has just got even bigger. I just want to give willow a hug (and not just cos shes a hot mamma yamma!!)
Xander, well iam at a lose for words, my opinion hasent changed he still bugs the hell out of me, but i dont like hating anyone (except joss) and NB did do quite well just MHO
Anya, i wanna be able to teleport. :grin
over all not a great ep though. Iam still loving seeing red (the last 5mins dont exeist in this house)

Caz
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Postby WilTaraFan » Thu May 23, 2002 10:54 am

Yeah, I know about the Pens, I've been posting my own W/T story there but I'm not sure how to look for the story. I mean, I don't even know the title of the stories.
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Postby urnofosiris » Thu May 23, 2002 10:58 am

Tommo's (Ruth's) fic is called [b:0cfb5641a1] Final Exam[/b:0cfb5641a1], you can't miss it, the thread is huge, it's on page 1. Also, you have to edit your sig, those fonts were too big, they can't be bigger than the font size of a normal post. :)
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Postby WilTaraFan » Thu May 23, 2002 11:05 am

Thanks for telling me. I was busy looking for this story under the pen name Ruth. I didn't know her pen name was Tommo and I see Tommo's posts everywhere. I also kind of thought she had this Final Exam story up on her website, but I just found a post that says she hasn't been able to. Thanks for helping DrG.

Kudos!!!
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Postby urnofosiris » Thu May 23, 2002 11:10 am

Yeah I know you see her posts everywhere, she is posting like a maniac, it's a miracle she finds time to write smut at all :p , but I have seen her type and it explains a lot, I am jealous that anyone can type so fast.
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Postby Wonko » Thu May 23, 2002 12:09 pm

I just have one thing to say to Joss Whedon and the folks over at ME.

You took 60 minutes of my life and [b:1fea4139d4] I. Want. Them. Back.[/b:1fea4139d4]
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Postby Epicurus » Thu May 23, 2002 1:47 pm

I can not stop picturing the Wicked Witch from The Wizard of Oz every time I see DMW on screen. The fireball scene where DMW throws the fireball out the ceiling and says something like "fly my pretty, fly". All I can think of is flying monkeys.

There's a scene in which DMW is trying to payback Andrew and Jonathan at the Magic Box. She says something to the effect of getting wood for the violence. Am I the only one who found this mildly offensive or am I being too sensitive?
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Postby AutumnT » Thu May 23, 2002 1:55 pm

You're not the only one that found that offensive.
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Postby AgentOrange » Thu May 23, 2002 2:53 pm

Well, I downloaded, I saw, I puked :puke I have NEVER seen such bad writing in my entire life!! This whole arch has left me with such a bitter taste in my mouth, and all the listerine in the world isn't gonna get rid of it. As far as I can see there was only 2 highlights in this entire episode, Willow kicking muffy's ass, and *gasp* Anya being so...human. I'm finding the new Anya almost likeable, something I never thought was possible before.
I found myself yelling at the puter screen, during Muffy's scenes, thinking to myself "Why is everything about YOU Muffy"? I Hated the ending as well, useless eXpander saves the day.heeee right. It would have been nice to have the series end on a better note, but this is what we get. Thank God, I'm not gonna be around to watch the season 7 ender when Muffy hands the slayer stick over to Dawn. I took a look at the poll for the season finale and %35 of the people rated it the best episode ever!?! All I can think of that is, that's a vote from each person on the ME team.hehehe. The real fans know what a good finale is, and that WASN"T it.:puke
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Postby The Rose24 » Thu May 23, 2002 6:08 pm

[quote:3a3d09302d][b:3a3d09302d][i:3a3d09302d]Quote:[/i:3a3d09302d][/b:3a3d09302d]
Watch season 3
[/quote:3a3d09302d]

I liked season three, but there were way too many episodes I did not like. Season five ranks highest on my list.
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Postby neroden1 » Thu May 23, 2002 6:33 pm

I'm weird, but my favorite *season* was actually season one. It doesn't contain any of my favorite episodes at all; but then, it also doesn't contain any of the episodes I dislike, while every other season has at least one, if not more.
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Postby Rally » Thu May 23, 2002 6:47 pm

'Buffy' finale slays its loyal fans

By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY

In its two-hour season finale, Buffy the Vampire Slayer finally delivers the kind of Buffy-at-its-best episode fans have hoped for all season, and seldom received. Evil is vanquished, charity and fidelity are rewarded, and the core characters are rebonded in ways that will surprise you, considering one of their own, Willow, was last seen skinning a man alive and incinerating his remains.

In thrilling fashion, tonight's back-to-back episodes provide a fitting, sometimes funny and sometimes shocking payoff to all the plots set up over the last few weeks: Willow's murderous descent into witchcraft; Xander's increasing sense of isolation, and Spike's enraged desire to return to his old self. You even get to see Buffy shake off her back-from-death depression for good this time, I'm betting, though the show has teased us with that plot point before.

Yet while it's a fabulous finale, it doesn't completely make up for all the less-than-fabulous hours that came before. With the notable exception of the musical episode (a stunning hour that may finally earn creator Joss Whedon the Emmy recognition he has long deserved), it's been a disappointing and even dreary year for Buffy. There were bright spots here and there, but overall, this once dependably entertaining show became too grim for too long.

The show's decline in quality is in stark contrast to the rise of its spin-off, Angel, which had its best season yet. While Angel's stories were often even darker (a vampire father being set up to eat his baby, for one gruesome example) and its core characters were often equally at odds, the show was able to maintain an equilibrium Buffy lacked. On Angel, when one character was down, another was up. On Buffy, they all seemed to be in the dumps for long stretches at a time, as everything went wrong for everyone at once.

Still, even when Buffy fails, and this season does rank as a relative failure, it fails in interesting ways. Most long-running series stumble because the writers run out of ideas, or the producers or actors exhaust their energy and interest. It's clear Buffy suffered from Whedon's reduced involvement and suffered more than the writers may have imagined from the absence of Anthony Stewart Head as Giles, who provided a needed adult voice. But essentially, Buffy faltered because it charted a seemingly viable artistic course that simply didn't work, or didn't work well enough to maintain fan interest.

Where in previous seasons Buffy and her friends had battled some big, outside evil, this season, the evil they had to conquer was inside themselves. From Buffy's ennui to Willow's addiction to witchcraft, these no-longer-teen characters discovered they were their own worst enemies.

As always, what the show was seeking was a metaphorical expression of real-world problems and emotions. Unfortunately, whatever the artistic intention, it's hard to sustain 22 weeks of character ennui without inducing the same in an audience. Indeed, one of the best scenes tonight comes when Buffy lists everything that's gone wrong in the gang's lives this season, and finally gets the appropriate reaction.

Happily for fans, tonight's finale doesn't just look back, it also looks ahead, laying the foundation for the season to come. I don't want to spoil any of the show's surprises (and few shows are better than Angel or Buffy at springing a last-second gasper on unsuspecting viewers). But I will tell you this: One of the last things Buffy says tonight to her sister, Dawn, is "it hasn't been OK, but it's going to be now. ... I want to see my friends happy again."
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Postby AutumnT » Thu May 23, 2002 6:51 pm

[quote:bbcaeacfd5][b:bbcaeacfd5][i:bbcaeacfd5]Quote:[/i:bbcaeacfd5][/b:bbcaeacfd5]
I want to see my friends happy again.
[/quote:bbcaeacfd5]Good luck with that Buffy. Maybe you and Xander can help Willow pick out a pretty straight jacket for her trip to the looney bin.
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Postby Warduke » Thu May 23, 2002 6:51 pm

:puke
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Postby xita » Thu May 23, 2002 7:04 pm



This is Greenwalt and Joss

and this is ME and their creative effort
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Postby drusilla(d) » Thu May 23, 2002 7:09 pm

ME likes to write the charactes so they are no longer recognizable....no doubt, he will have Willow all happy next season....
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Postby Warduke » Thu May 23, 2002 7:09 pm

rofl xita :lol
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Postby EvilAnya » Thu May 23, 2002 7:32 pm

It's a few pages too late but I want to apologize for offending any Christians with what I said about what i percieved about religious undertones in the finale. I realize now how that offensive that might have been to some. I was having a bad day, that shitty finale, I came home to find all my fishies had died, i had a hangover, I was really really infuriated by the constant use of the word "Wicca" in the finale, it was like the writers had pulled it straight out of a Chick Tract, but what it all boils down to is that I was just being snarky and insensitive,so I'm really sorry.

I was disappointed by this season, it's just not the same show I used to love, and it depresses the hell out of me. It's not the darkness of this season, but the hopelessness of it. Also the writing turned to shit and the writers seemed to no longer care about continuity. Two to Go and Grave were just the shit flavoured icing on the cake of mediocrity that this season has been.
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