Flaming O Friday MKF 13/09/02

[Puff]

Ok so it's not Friday for me here yet but I happen to know in Australia it is already the next day and i wanted ot post the daily thread so sorry to the mods. I hope it isn't against too many rules

So I am sitting here watching This year's girl on FX and I am so excited as it means that Who are you is on tomorrow, which means FLAMING O! One of my favourite scenes. I still get hot when I watch it. And it was such a clear sign that Willow and Tara were or going to be in a sexual relationship; if they weren't already in one

So question of the day what did you make of the Flaming O the first time you watched it? And has your preception of it changed now?

[La]

oh wow, the first time i saw the flaming O i was completely shocked. I was so excited by it that I went bouncing around my house and tried to tell all my friends about it and they just didn't get it. That's a happy happy scene.

[vix84]

Heh, I watched it with some friends (Buffy fans, not really into W/T) a couple of weeks after it aired.

One of them goes "apparently there's sexual subtext to this scene!"

The other is like "oh, really? Yeah, I guess I can see how people might [i:360f27ad5a] think[/i:360f27ad5a] that..."

I was like "uhh yes...it's kinda obvious, now shut up and let me watch in slow-mo!"

Ooh and yay for Puff, creating it in Aussie time! What a lovely Friday morning it is

[friskylez]

The first time i saw that scene i thought it was awesome and so erotic..The perspiration, heavy breathing, hell if it wasnt sex it was close enough

[xita]

This was at a time when I was beginning a growing obsession with w/t. I found out about wildfeeds and downloaded the clip from a now defunct site, this was late Sunday night. Wiltara list was real new and we were still a few months away from having a kitten. I remember clearly posting on Cross and Stake and Bob and Judy posted there as well. I remember saying, if this is subtext, who needs main text!

[girlofp]

I am ashamed to say that this is one of the eps. I still haven't seen. To add to that... I already have my VCR set!! I have seen the clip set to music and just live but I haven't seen the whole thing yet. And I must say... I am very excited!!

[Sweetjane]

by the end of the laundry scene in hush , i was already sure (or very hopeful) that a serious relationship would develop - the flaming o was good times for me ! it was the most intense scene set between them sexually , at that point. i found it very erotic , and i interpreted it as them making love . and still very much do , every single time i watch it

[Indygo]

I was like fanning myself wondering if someone had suddenly turned the heat up. I wasn't really into Tara back then (as with many people I thought that underwrote her character early on) but I have been a huge Willow fan since day one, so just the thought of her exploring her sexuality was just mind blowing.

And to the people who couldn't see sexual under(over?)tones, I remember recommending a trip to their Optometrist 'cos there was something obviously wrong with their eyesight!

Indygo

[kpmuse]

Oh God! I remember being almost desperate to see the famous Flaming O! I joined Buffy in early Season 5 so I had never seen any of the early eps. I asked a Kitten to describe it in one of the posts back on the old board, and some lovely person did! Then all the Kittens started to describe their reactions to it! Wow! I had to see it! I searched everywhere for months for a clip. Then one day I remember on Pens, I think it was Fontaine, who posted a clip of the Flaming O on her website!

I downloaded it and . It was SO much better than I imagined it to be! The looks, the sweat, the hands raising and then touching, the music, the foreplay before the actual spell, "I trust you," Willow's arching back and orgasmic moan . Oh dear God! I fainted
Jo came running into the room, and she asked me what was wrong. I just smiled at her What a magical moment! A dream come true!

All due to the most wonderful Kitties! Thanks Puff for this great topic!

[Taz]

As much as I hate to admit this I've never seen it.

[Gatito Grande]

True confession: I've loved this scene on repeat viewings (duh!), but when I first saw it, I was confused. Not [i:cd3f044c3e] whether[/i:cd3f044c3e] there was something between them: a) I was spoiled, and b) again w/ the duh! Rather, how [i:cd3f044c3e] much[/i:cd3f044c3e] had gone on? Where was they're relationship really at?

For me there was this whole interplay of my personal Romanticism (really prefer an "I love you" and at least a kiss before sex), homophobia on TV (we're not going to see everything we would if this was a het couple) and the [i:cd3f044c3e] magic metaphor[/i:cd3f044c3e] (Was that sex? Or a spell that looked---and sounded, and felt, and even [i:cd3f044c3e] smelled[/i:cd3f044c3e]---like sex?).

Due to all of the above confusion (and I was not discussing BTVS online then), I was of the impression at the time (S4) that Willow and Tara had not really "gotten together" prior to [i:cd3f044c3e] New Moon Rising[/i:cd3f044c3e]. I sorta thought that that was the point of NMR (Willow choosing Tara, and "making it up to her" for expressing any doubts).

Then I came here, where it seemed most Kittens assumed that W&T got together [i:cd3f044c3e] no later[/i:cd3f044c3e] than the Flaming O . . . and I can certainly see that too. I mean, the scene is so freakin' [b:cd3f044c3e] Hot![/b:cd3f044c3e]

So I just don't know (but the Romantic in me still leans towards---melts under!---NMR).

GG [i:cd3f044c3e] Then again, [b:cd3f044c3e] so[/b:cd3f044c3e] love W's double "I trust you"![/i:cd3f044c3e] Out

[Warduke]

GG, in the DVD commentaries, Joss says that the Flaming O [b:77709a0ad0] was[/b:77709a0ad0] their first time, so

[areslei]

Honestly, I decided that I then needed a cold shower. Then my gf so appropriately commented "Geez, it sounds like they're having sex!"

[browneyedgirl]

Great question Puff!

I was sitting in a friend's apartment with a large group of people, most of whom did not watch Buffy. I was trying to explain to all of them about Faith and who she was, etc. when the Flaming O scene started. I remember the whole room (we're talking like fifteen people) got quiet as we watched the scene.

When it ended, one of the non-Buffy watchers turned to me and said, "Wow, that chick just had one hell of an orgasm for network tv." Needless to say we all had a good laugh.

When I got home I watched the scene again (because I'd also taped it, natch) and I had to agree with my friend; it was one hell of an orgasm

[alyamber4ever]

The first thing I thought of was.....Oh yeah....this is good. And the second thing was....I'm sooooo glad I'm taping this. And the third thing I thought was.... Let's REWIND, shall we??



& 4ever

[fontaine13]

The clip is still on my site for those who haven't seen it

www.fontaine.comcen.com.au

[Blue Pariah]

My first impression?

"This subtext is getting less with the SUB-text and more with the BIG-HONKING-ORGASM-text!"

My impression now?

"BIG-HONKING-ORGASMS!"

[VampNo12]

I remember watching the show with my friend Beth, and when the "Flaming O" came on we were dumbstruck, but for different reasons. I been trying to convince her that W&T were more than friends, and then the scene appeared with Beth "bug eyed" at the screen, while I am saying "told you so" (as I at the tv). All the sudden Beth turns to me, and says "Oh my god, Willow just had one hell of an orgasm", while I just sat there going "Oh yeah" (and then continued to at the screen). Also to this day I can't even fathom how many times I watched that entire scene over and over again.

[Lindy]

Hehe.. yeah.. I remember being kinda angry at US-American TV that the Willow Tara relationship obvioulsy took a similar development like most of the gay relationships I had seen from abroad, you know, hardly any touching, not to speak of kisses or anything that resembles a natural way of expressing feelings of love and trust. So, naturally I was kinda disappointed that a show like BtVS (which I adored at that point) didn't at least try to push the limits..

..and then they [i:210ac0714b] did[/i:210ac0714b] push the limits in such a beautiful way and my eyes where glued to the screen.

What a treasure .. and what a shame to throw that away

[Gatito Grande]

Warduke, I too remember when the words "Joss said" meant everything!

My point (and I do have one) is not to dispute that Flaming O = W&T's First Time (though don't some see it even earlier?). Rather, I'm merely reporting my confusion upon [i:d9b5f371ad] first[/i:d9b5f371ad] seeing the scene ("Don't know what they did, but they were sure breathing heavily . . . strangely enough, now so am I." ), and my right to "interpret the text" in the way that best makes sense for [i:d9b5f371ad] me.[/i:d9b5f371ad] (In much the same way as some Kittens consider BTVS ended w/ "that's the best part" or even earlier w/ Buffy's swandive in [i:d9b5f371ad] The Gift[/i:d9b5f371ad].)

Something [i:d9b5f371ad] incredible[/i:d9b5f371ad] happened between Willow & Tara during the Flaming O; that's a given. I'm just not certain that they were "making love"---[i:d9b5f371ad] as I understand it[/i:d9b5f371ad]---in the way I'm [b:d9b5f371ad] 1000% certain[/b:d9b5f371ad] they made love after blowing out "Extra Flamey" in NMR.

GG [i:d9b5f371ad] Besides, isn't every WT moment just an [b:d9b5f371ad] embarrassment of riches[/b:d9b5f371ad]?[/i:d9b5f371ad] Out

[mollyig]

The first time I saw that scene, I was amazed at how sensual it was even before the actual "O" When Tara is putting the oil on Willow's lips and breastbone, the wonderful looks across at each other. Amazing!

[walker(d)]

The first time I saw the flaming O I just sat there stunned. I could not believe how incredibly sensual it was. I fall towards the opinion that that was their first sex scene although like GG I didn't think so at the time. I love the preparation for the spell, it's almost like foreplay, especially where Willow kisses Taras thumb as she's putting the oil on her.

And now I'm off to watch it on DVD.

[oneinten]

Geez I remember that scene and how blown away I was. I knew there was subtext when Tara said "I trust you" and then when the flamming O actually happened...I freaked! I was totally excited that there was more subtext then Xena (at the time I was totally into that...) and was glued to my set from then on.

kath

[Rosenberg]

When Willow stated unequivocally that she trusted Tara and when they started anointing each other with the oil, I had a feeling that we might be leading up to something special. However, I didnt know how special it was going to be. When the actual scene unfolded, I was transfixed. The touching, the heavy breathing, the sheen of sweat on Willows face and the arching and moaningwhew! If that was subtext, I would love to see what overt text would have been like. That has got to be one of the most passionate 'non-sexual' sex scenes Ive ever viewed.

Also, speaking of Who Are You, one of my favorite all-time lines is in that episode. Faiths memorable, so, Willows not driving stick anymore, makes me grin every time I hear it.

[AutumnT]

Ah the Flaming O. [i:e7e10d347b] Autumn gazes at her avatar[/i:e7e10d347b] a favorite subject of mine. I remember feeling something was going on from the laundry scene in [i:e7e10d347b] Hush[/i:e7e10d347b], but [i:e7e10d347b] Who Are You[/i:e7e10d347b] with the not driving stick, I am you know, and then all that panting and sweating was just [b:e7e10d347b] oh my God[/b:e7e10d347b] they are really going to make Willow a lesbian. It was a hot scene, but the whole episode was so significant because it was apparent they weren't going to be coy anymore and my favorite character was going to be gay. What a fabulous moment.

[Tulipp]

I'm with oneinten, I think. I saw this episode during the actual airing of season five, so I already knew they were going in the maintext direction, but my first response was: this is WAY better subtext than Xena ever had. That scene...it's hard for me to imagine it being more sexual.

[Dumbsaint]

I dunno, aside from all the great W/T bits, I think my favorite line in WAY was definitely Buffy-in-Faith's-body, "Giles. What's a stevedore?"

Heehee.

By the way, "This Year's Girl" was the rerun on F/X last night, so I can only assume that tonight they'll be showing Flaming-O goodness.

[Rosenberg]

By the way, "This Year's Girl" was the rerun on F/X last night, so I can only assume that tonight they'll be showing Flaming-O goodness.

Yes Julia, I checked the FX website and it says that Who Are You is scheduled to be broadcast tonight. I just hope they dont cut out any of the Flaming O scene so they can sell more Old Navy rugby shirts.

And Whats a stevedore? is another great line too.

[kbk3022]

Well, I was watching it with my mom...so I had the whole, I'm watching a sex scene with my mom in the room embarrassment going on (maybe that's just me). I was like is she seeing what I'm seeing? But, you know, she was pretty clueless.

And on another note, it's Friday the 13th! Everyone should be extra careful today, it's a notoriously bad day for me and my family.

Kasey

[starlitefaeriegrrrl]

It's funny but my favorite bit of the Flaming O scene is still when they're discussing it before hand and Tara's all doubtfull but Willow just looks at her and says "I trust you." *BIG FREAKIN' SWOON* I saw the scene after I'd already seen a bunch of Season 5 eps, so it wasn't for me like 'Oh. Are the girls a couple?' since I knew them as already being one. I love the building up to the orgasmicness in that scene, though, the whispered chanting, the breathing, the sweaty yet still pretty girls...