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Postby helpful information perha » Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:59 am

how can a lesbian xine acknowledge the W/T upset in one line and be out hawking buffy products (which are pre W/T so no gay characters even ) in the next ?

are these folks sell outs or what?
do they get a cut on these?
seems pretty slimey to me!

is this another xine to write to?

lesbianation.com/article....4&id=10505

Lesbian Media Blender
06.10.02

By Tammy Fo

WHAT WILL BUFFY FANS DO FOR THE SUMMER?
OK, so I know were all still upset about what happened last season to Willow and Tara, but maybe instead of brooding over those episodes, we should go back to happier times--like all the way back the Season Two. Fox Home Entertainment is releasing the Six Disc DVD Set, which includes all 22 Episodes from The Second Season Plus Exclusive Bonus Features on Tuesday, June 11.
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:02 am

Maybe they don't realize that Willow was straight in S2. Perhaps someone should point that out to them.

More likely, though, is that this is a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
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Postby xita » Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:05 am

Ok, I am going to write them.. gay media has been so bad with w/t. . . since hush.. and it goes on.

If I could find out who to write to.
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Postby helpful information perha » Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:46 am

yah maybe its just me but I would have thought the gay media would have been all over whedon about W/T not helping him pimp his second season dvd's
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Postby Sheridan » Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:00 pm

Ok now I'm just a poor SWM and I'm furious about what happend to W/T. On the other hand publications you would have figured would be ecstatic about a loving sympathetic gay relationship on TV and outraged about its destruction seem not to have even noticed. How does that make sense?
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Postby helpful information perha » Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:04 pm

yah that's my point
I don't get it either
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Postby Penrose Orleans » Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:12 pm

I bet that if someone were to write them and helpfully expplain the situation, they'd correct it (unlike Joss, their intentions are good)
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Postby VampNo12 » Thu Jun 13, 2002 1:02 pm

I never understood how the gay media (ie the Advocate etc) hardly ever profiled W&T before ME decided it was best to fall to the "lesbian cliche". And yes acknowledging the upset of W&T's destruction, and then "pimping" Buffy season 2 DVD's makes no sense (and its kinda ironic considering Willow was played as straight in that season).
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Postby El Gato » Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:04 pm

oh, i understand just fine - money talks!
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Postby xita » Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:23 pm

drlloyd got us an email we can let this person know .. that this isn't cool cmiller@gsociety.com
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Postby maudmac » Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:49 pm

Lord, this is so depressing. But it's even more depressing to read the comments on their discussion board about it. We're so very alone.

I really cannot bend my mind around the idea that WE are pretty much the only people who think what Joss did was [i:76613c0e73] offensive[/i:76613c0e73].

Ani says it better than I can:

[i:76613c0e73] if you're not angry
you're just stupid
or you don't care
how else can you react
when you know
something's so unfair[/i:76613c0e73]
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:56 pm

We are not as alone as we were before.

The media has picked up on the fact that we're unhappy. Some of them are unhappy for the same reason. Others just want something to report during the summer doldrums. Either way, it gets the issue out there for people to see.

And given the media's tendency to feed on itself, we might be nearing the point where the issue has enough momentum to roll on for quite a while.

I don't think it's going to go away any time soon.
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Postby maudmac » Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:02 pm

Hey, Bob? Can you ship me a bottle of your optimism? I need something to wash down this bile. You'd think after three months, I'd get used to it. :spin
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:14 pm

It's not so much optimism as it is setting reasonable expectations and redefining what counts as a victory.

Do I expect Mutant Enemy to apologize for what they've done and do some sort of plot twist at the beginning of Season 7 that restores Willow and Tara to the way they were right before Tara was shot? No, of course not. Do I expect that the vast majority of [i:ceaeee4c74] Buffy[/i:ceaeee4c74] fans will ever understand what we're so upset about and why we're upset about it? Nope, not really. But that's not really the issue.

The way I see it, if we can make our case on a reasonably large stage for a reasonably large chunk of the summer, people are going to remember what happened. It will become a permanent part of the [i:ceaeee4c74] Buffy[/i:ceaeee4c74] lore, the way the two great write-in campaigns became part of the [i:ceaeee4c74] Star Trek[/i:ceaeee4c74] lore. When people remember [i:ceaeee4c74] Buffy[/i:ceaeee4c74], they will remember Season 6 as the year when Mutant Enemy ticked off a large part of their fan base, and the fan base fought back. If [i:ceaeee4c74] Buffy[/i:ceaeee4c74] does fold its tent after S7, as it quite possibly will, what happened at the end of S6 may go down in history as the show's fatal mistake.

And then maybe the next time some writer or producer wants to do something like the W/T storyline, they won't make the same mistakes that Joss made.

But in some ways, none of that is really the issue, either. On another level, I think the issue for each of us is whether or not we, as individuals and as a group, stand up for what we believe in and refuse to back down. If we can look ourselves in the mirror and know that we did what we could instead of going along with the sheep of Joss's flock, in some ways that's enough.

That's how I see it, anyway.
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Postby Rally » Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:08 pm

I would just like to point out, and I do not in anyway agree with what they said or the fact that they are hyping ME related product. However, one of the few ways a non commercial website can continue to run is through partership and referral programs. Hence the hawking of the wares, they get a percentage for referrals that purchase said product. There by covering some of the costs of running a website.

Again, they are obviously clueless, but they just may not have been aware of how much so.
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Postby AutumnT » Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:11 pm

[quote:ccd07ae835][b:ccd07ae835][i:ccd07ae835]Quote:[/i:ccd07ae835][/b:ccd07ae835]
I think the issue for each of us is whether or not we, as individuals and as a group, stand up for what we believe in and refuse to back down.
[/quote:ccd07ae835] Amen Bob. We gain nothing by silence. Silence is often seen as agreement. Not everyone is going to understand why we feel the way we do. But at least I am going to know I did what I could to let people know in my own way that what happened was not OK.
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Postby Penrose Orleans » Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:23 pm

Here's to all who hate the silence-- 100% of the atrocities done in wars and by governments (in other words, big guy vs. little guy) were done in part due to a silence on the part of the common people and the victims... so POWER TO THE KITENS!!! (er...people :) )
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Postby kpmuse » Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:37 pm

Bob, you are SO Yoda!
My heart filled up with enthusiasm when I read your post.

Yeah for us noisy Kittens who are making a difference in this world! Tara & Willow meant something to us and we are letting everyone know it!
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Postby Coma123 » Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:49 am

Hey Bob that was brilliant, got shades of "I have a dream..." well maybe not but hey still good stuff....

As for the mag. remember that the ad. may have been paid for and put in long ago before they knew of the death. They wouldn't knock it back if money's tight as it is on many mags.
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Postby Dave V » Fri Jun 14, 2002 9:29 am

Bob, great post. No we are not so alone anymore, we just don't see it.

Remember, ratings are down, WAY down. Somebody's walking away from the show! Non-W/T-shippers have told me how badly they thought Tara/Amber was treated. More and more articles about the cliche are appearing.

Tilting at windmills isn't so bad. And our cause is just.
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Postby slayer747 » Wed Jul 03, 2002 6:33 pm

[quote:6037d146d8][b:6037d146d8][i:6037d146d8]Quote:[/i:6037d146d8][/b:6037d146d8]
[b:6037d146d8] Yeah for us noisy Kittens who are making a difference in this world! Tara & Willow meant something to us and we are letting everyone know it! [/b:6037d146d8]
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but joss refused to listen...
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