Entertainment Weekly Assorted Buffy Articles

[xita]

So EW, the June 7th edition, has a whole article about: "Foul language. Raunchy Couplings. Gore galore. Suddenly there seems to be very little that's off-limits on TV."

I'll give you the hightlights as it pertains to Buffy:
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When Sarah Michelle Gellar's Buffy wasn't in a naked clinch with Spike (James Marsters), her pal Willow (Alyson Hannigan) was skinning and setting fire to a nerdy nemesis on the May 14 Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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Though rules have relaxed considerably, most networks still employ standards and practices to screen out material seen as potentially objectionable, Buffy exec producer Marti Noxon says UPN censors have more qualms about Willow's romance with Tara (Amber Benson) than the show's campy violence or ravenous (straight) sex scenes- including that racy interlude last winter in which Gellar's slayer offered oral pleasure to Spike. Laughs Noxon, "Yeah, that one was pretty dirty."

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The article contained a naked Spuffy picture to go along.

Then a side article about smoking, wait till you hear this, Marti is concerned about the social message her show sends, what you say? social message?
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Producers typically defend each butt - to polster a mood, character flaw, or general realism. "Spike's smoking is absolutely iconic," says Buffy executive producer Marti Noxon. "None of our heroic characters do it, and it's definitely something we see as a thing that only the evil partake in. For better or wrose, cigarette smoking still seems like a rebellious thing."

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[Rally]

Ok, so murder good, smoking bad, naked Spike good, happy lesbian couple bad.

[AutumnT]

Well now it's all so clear why UPN cut the [i:0c88c18c85] Entropy[/i:0c88c18c85] kiss back and decided that the following was too much to show. [quote:0c88c18c85][b:0c88c18c85][i:0c88c18c85]Quote:[/i:0c88c18c85][/b:0c88c18c85]

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TARA
(playing along)
What about the Trio's evil scheme?

WILLOW
Kinda busy working on my own...

She grins seductively, disappearing under the covers. Tara giggles -- then gasps in pleasure.

TARA
Evil's... good.

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[/quote:0c88c18c85]But shooting and skinning and attempted rape? That's must see TV.

[drlloyd11]

The "ha ha" tone of the article sickens me..
Edited to say
I am sick of this crap..

[xita]

But don't forget, they were treated equally.

[Rally]

Oh yeah, because every other couple had a member equally murdered this season / and sent in to a murderous evil rampage.

[Willowlicious]

I won't even comment on the W/T stuff, other than, hey, EW just underlined, once again, the validity of the Lesbian Cliche FAQ. Funny how that keeps happening. Could it be because everything we say in it regarding W/T and inequality is true?

Yes.

And shouldn't Joss be "offended" that anyone suggests that his heroes can't smoke? I mean, that's just wrong. By Joss's rules, I expect that next season Buffy will be pushing ciggies to Dawn and Xander will be smuggling tobacco contraband into the Sunnydale Home for the Clinically Insane for dear Willow.

Social responsibility. Yeah, Marti. Okay. Whatever.

Amy

[Taz]

Thats equality for you. I can see how an attempt at rape should be shown in its entirety as oppossed to happy lesbians. People are more comfortable with rape then lesbians, are society is hopeless.

[maudmac]

I'm pretty disgusted here.

I suppose I should be surprised they didn't have Willow lighting up when she was mocking Dawn at Rack's. That would have truly completed the picture. I feel cheated.

I can't believe they're talking about the smoking stuff when there's soooooo much other stuff that "sends a message," like "If you're a grown-up and all-around nice person, you'll be brutally murdered," or, "If you're a lesbian, you're destined for insanity and/or evilness," or, "If you summon demons that kill people and you treat your girlfriend like she's a piece of shit on your shoe, you'll get to save the world," or, "If you try to rape your girlfriend, you'll get your soul back."

Good God A'Mighty, I'll take smoking [i:8a7873c5a2] any[/i:8a7873c5a2] day.

[Warduke]

Have all these jackasses been lobotomized?

This is truly sickening, that Spike trying to rape Buffy is just fine, but watching two people who are deeply in love is a big no-no if theyre both women.yeah, that makes a lot of sense

[hilarita]

this just goes to show you the level of deep thought that marti has put into the messages that are sent by this show.


1. smoking is bad. (only, not really, cause lets not forget that spike is one of the more popular characters and he can do no wrong. so actually smoking is GOOD. so is attempted rape, and in general any type of assault on women.)

2. sex is bad, but lesbian sex is fatal. it is not ok to show mutual healthy gay sex, but abusive straight sex and attempted rape is all good.

way to go guys, you totally nailed that one.


heres to hoping these people stop trying to deal with "life issues" before they totally fuck up a lot of people.

[helpful information perha]

ok I need a road map here

so marti says ME/BtVS DOES send society messages now ?

but only with the smoking bad/drugs bad stuff ? - BUT - Didn't she say they weren't sending any societial messages?

you know with their portraing the first long standing featured lesbian couple in prime time for almost 3 years

didn't marti say ME doesn't do societal messages (even while they played up the lesbian chic in the media and the shows actors including AB/AH/JM etc all gave interview after interview speaking of how important the couple was, how proud they were of the way this couple was touching peoples lives and how ME WAS making a statement with W/T as a couple)

so now marti says smoking and drugs are being sent as messages but SNUFFING one lesbian and thus virtually killing the others soul right after their first sex (implied naked in bed type non metaphor sex) on screen wasn't sending a message?

ok did I get that right?

cuz its pretty darn hard for me to twist my brain that far to suit marti logic

just what are these people on?!

or

how stupid do they think we are?!

[VampNo12]

God this stuff truly sickens me, and just goes to show where Marti's priorities are Spike and the message that smoking is bad. To this day the fact that the W&T kiss was censored in Entropy truly bothers me, but don't worry viewers we will satisfy you with the attempted rape of Buffy being shown in its entirety (ie What happened to the message this sends to its viewers?)

I come to the conclusion that our lesbian cliche outrage would of course fall on death ears, if the nonsense of Spike's smoking is what concerns ME. To think that a loving same sex couple needs to be censored, but we can see Spuffy in all its horrible glory, which unfortunately we clearly saw over and over again. And I so agree I am so surprised ME didn't put a cigarette in Willow's mouth to truly show what an evil person she had become (Marti must be slipping there).

So in a nutshell this article basically says ME is concerned with messages it sends to the audience, but only the ones they deem appropiate. Therefore, the lesbians ME could care less what happens to them, as well as the message of one dead the other turning evil sends to it's viewers.

[helpful information perha]

and here UPN thought its $2.2 mil per ep purchase of buffy would bring them legit acclaim and make them respectable - LMAO

heck they already had the wwf for this kind of PR

Entertainment Weekly's EW.com | Foul language. Raunchy sex. Gore galore. On TV?

www.ew.com/ew/report/0,61...ex,00.html

[relativegirl]

How come everytime Marti opens her damn mouth something so offensive comes out that I inevitably end up having to write a letter to the editor of some publication, or to Fox or to UPN in response to the Marti-spew? I'm so tired of writing letters, it's exhausting to care. But I can't justify letting this one slip by and so now I have to write my little letter instead of enjoying the smutty kitten posts.

This sucks. On so many levels.

[Scoobiedoo]

Oh marti... does she go around singing "if I only had a brain"?

What a freakin' crock It's funny how they are making it so easy for me to leave this show behind with no regrets or what ifs.

And the smoking, what a ridiculous thing to take issue with, of all the fucked-up things that this show has depicted over the past year. "Dead Things" was just on here (Australia) and for the first time I recall watching Spike smoking thinking: "Why the fuck are you smoking? You're a vampire! You can't even breathe! How do you inhale you fucking fuckhead?"

Someone rescue you me with their logic.

[Rally]

Cause it makes Spike look cool and everyone knows Spike is the star of BtVS...

[Scoobiedoo]

Ah! I knew there was a logical explanation

Thanks Rally

[Gatito Grande]

Vamps smoking may not make sense, but they were consistent: showing Harmony taking up cigs after being vamped.

Not to in any way defend ME, but remember when the move to UPN seemed so promising? Now we're hearing that the [i:84ae2ee689] UPN[/i:84ae2ee689] suits draw the line at WT sex, too. What network is going to finally lay down a [b:84ae2ee689] common standard[/b:84ae2ee689] for all their sex scenes, homo or hetero? [i:84ae2ee689] Please[/i:84ae2ee689] tell me it doesn't have to be premium cable!

GG [i:84ae2ee689] Ever get the feeling that the inmates are running the asylum?[/i:84ae2ee689] Out

[xita]

vamps smoking? Did Sunday? Did Drusilla? no..... they are clearly saying only the evil smoke, not all the evil smoke.

No network is going to treat same sex couples the same, because homophobia exists.... it still does. Nothing has driven this home to me more than this w/t situation.

[urnofosiris]

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Not to in any way defend ME, but remember when the move to UPN seemed so promising? Now we're hearing that the UPN suits draw the line at WT sex, too. What network is going to finally lay down a common standard for all their sex scenes, homo or hetero?

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Well I guess it will be a LONG time before we find out now, seeing as Mr Whedon decided he'd rather kill the lesbian in the name of equal treatment than try and make sure they actually were being treated equally.
It is not just the suits, they did not wait to write a WT post sex scene till the episode Tara died in.

[Bagheera]

Re: Spike smoking:

Ok, this argument could get really silly. My two cents: vampires don't _need_ to breathe, but they have chest muscles and diaphragms, so they could suck smoke into their lungs if they want to.

How about I start a REALLY stupid and tasteless debate here: how can Spike get an erection when his heart isn't beating?


Back onto topic: violence has always been more "acceptable" on TV than sex, according to TPTB. This reminds me of the idiocy of the people who made the "Lethal Weapon" series, who trumpeted the fact that despite the appalling value system their films promoted, they were doing society a big favour because "when the cops set off on the big car chase, they take a moment to PUT THEIR SEAT BELTS ON"

There are no words or means of dealing rationally with this sort of mind set.

[relativegirl]

Hmmm, so only the evil smoke . . . see, thank god Marti opened her mouth b/c now I know I totally misunderstood Band Candy. I never got that Joyce and Giles were evil in that episode, I thought they were just horny. But now I see that yes indeed, they must have been evil cuz they were smokin'.

And thank you Xita for giving us evil emoticon: '

[Rally]

...I only smoke when I am on fire.

[urnofosiris]

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How about I start a REALLY stupid and tasteless debate here: how can Spike get an erection when his heart isn't beating?

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Rigor Mortis

[Coma123]

On Six Feet they call it Angel Lust.....really

[Bagheera]

That only works with muscle.

Viagra wouldn't work either.

[xita]

You need blood flowing to get a hard on..... no hear beat, no flow.

[urnofosiris]

Well I know how it works, I was not being serious, and I really don't want to be. It is a fantasy show, some things cannot be explained scientifically, and this is one subject I really rather not even try to.

[Bagheera]

Excellent!

We can now trash the "death is permanent and not to be cheapened" bulls*** too!