Discussion S6E21&22 Two to Go&Grave&qu

[Warduke]

After youve seen the episode, this is the place to talk about this farce, this complete piece of crap called the season finale.

[urnofosiris]

Oh I totally loved it, it was the best episode I have *ever* seen. Brilliant writing. It all makes such perfect sense. I loved the interaction between Giles and Buffy and how they totally pissed on Tara's memory. None of that silly sentimental crap like last year with Joyce's and Buffy's death. Pfff. I mean Buffy's hairdo, that is what it is all about.

I also loved Willow's interaction with Dawn, typical Willow, I always knew she had it in her. Yes yes, brilliant subtle character assassination at it's best. Jonathan was a super, I knew that little "attempted rapist accessory to murder thing" was just an act, just like Willow's "I am a nice girl who always thinks about others before herself" was. At last the characters have shown their true nature. They have finally grown up.

Giles and Xander saving the day. Anya caring about her fellow man whilst she is a demon. Buffy and bonding with Dawn and loving life again when her best friend has been utterly destroyed. Wise Buffy. Stupid Willow for not seeing how wonderful the world really is.

Oh and to end it all with Spike getting his soul. Wunderbar

Hey, I am Dutch, we love cheese. And this had got to be the cheesiest thing ever. Bravo. They finally managed to outsuck every show that was ever made. I am in awe.

[Robin]

Boring, lame, cheesy.
Or in one word: crap!

But apart from that I'm so impressed by the total unability of the writers. That can't be the guys who wrote stuff for the other seasons. Now I'm serious it's so bad that I would expect that from some soap opera but not from BtVS.
If they wanted the message of this season to be: love can save everyone from everything then why the f... hell did they had to kill Tara. She could have been the one to talk Willow down together with Xander.
After the split they could have gotten Willow on the dark path and in the end the message would have been the same "love can save" but with one big and important change: they wouldn't have had to kill Tara!

It took me a long time to get angry but now I am and I wanna beat the hell out of these untalented bastards!

[tommo]

God I love you Garfield.

[Scout]

Yes, Garfield, that was wonderful. Thanks for getting this off to a fun start. I didn't think that was even possible.

[nemesystah]

What can I say? All things must be recuperated to fit within the dominant paradigm.

I mean you have to give "the people" a bit of what they want and a smidgen of their reality in order to keep them smoking the opiates of the masses, but that doesn't mean letting things get outta hand.

Lesbianism is the ultimate [i:8fdcf5b643] negation[/i:8fdcf5b643] of patriarchy--which is based on primacy of men and male sexuality as the active life force and source of all that is valued and "civilized" in society.

The need to assert this as inalienable truth has lead to such semantic inversions as "man-hating" lesbian. See, it's really all about men. You can worship men, or you can hate men, but you can't simply [i:8fdcf5b643] ignore[/i:8fdcf5b643] men. Men, and especially penises, [b:8fdcf5b643] cannot[/b:8fdcf5b643] be irrelavant. This is why lesbianism features so predominantly in pornography--how better to undermine it subversiveness then to make it serve that which it denies?

So, once again, we have two women together and it ends "badly." Which is to say it ends like every other depiction in mainstream media ends.

Whatta surprise. And yet, even as I am not surprised, I am still saddened, and maddened, and all the more commited to never watching TV again.

[Sivi27]

Okay. I just watched it, and no matter how much I hate what they are doing to the show, I have to say that this is still one of the better-paced episodes of this whole year. More happens in this one episode than has in say, the first 12 episodes of the season. If I didn't care about any of the characters, I would have really liked this episode, because it's an adrenaline-rush, front to back.

Problem?

I do care about the characters. This isn't Willow anymore. Anyone who ever thought that Alyson was typecast in the role of "nerd" should watch this episode. Everything changed - the voice, the posture, the attitude. There isn't a single bit of Willow left in what I've seen in the past 45 minutes. The conversations with Dawn and with Buffy - [i:773a788d47] these are not things that Willow would ever do or say[/i:773a788d47], yet Aly sells it. Front to back. No doubt about it. When she lands in jail and realizes that Buffy has already gotten Jonathan and Andrew out, she screams, and ... wow, can I just say wow? That wasn't even human, and it was gut-wrenching. (Obviously, screaming is a requirement for being a Buffy cast member. Michelle Trachtenberg could be in for some serious competition from Aly, y'all.) As far as wardrobe goes - same thing that everyone was wearing in Villains, so there's not much to comment on there.

Xander makes my gut crawl this episode. He somehow manages to transcribe everything that happens back to himself and his 'inadequacies' as a friend and as a Scooby. I'm not disagreeing with him there. There's a scene where he finds the wreck of his car and Buffy runs off to the police station to try to stop Willow, and he seriously stands there for a few minutes and mopes about not being able to tag along, and bitches about how he's Willow's best friend. Xander, two words - shut up. Just shut up. If you were a good friend, maybe you could've taken ten seconds less to treat your girlfriend like shit and realize that your 'best friend' has had a year from hell, front to finish. As a side note - he's looking less like an Expander and more like Season 4 Xander this episode, so that's one less thing for me to mock.

Sarah hits it home this episode. Whereas the past few episodes, I didn't see enough emotion, we get a take-charge Buffy this episode, and not a little bit too early. I'm choosing to view the Willow in this episode as something different than "our Willow", and in that line of thinking, Buffy handles everything well. Their fight scene this episode was well, intense, for one thing, and it really does bring Buffy out as the bigger person, because DarkMagicWillow is on a powertrip the size of a small country by this point in time.

Giles. *sigh* I missed Giles. He had a grand total of one line this whole episode and somehow managed to make me scream of joy nonetheless. I think it's because he's British. But yeah. Someone needs to lay down the fuckin' law here, and since Buffy at said point is losing to DMWillow, I'm glad he walks in. Again, not because I want Willow dead or harmed, but because this [b:773a788d47] just isn't her[/b:773a788d47].

Anya. Again, can I bring on the love for Emma Caulfield? The woman gets so little to work with, and nonetheless manages to convey more in-character emotion than all the other actors with perhaps the exception of Aly. I liked Anya this episode - it's not very clear just who or what she's trying to help, but she bitches Xander out in a very deserved manner, which just brings her closer to my heart. Plus, I like the hair. I really like the hair. Whoever said she looked Amish needs to take a second look.

Dawnie. Okay. This girl is in for a lifetime of therapy, and I'm currently glad that she's got some of Buffy's essence in her because every other girl her age would have been a walking wreck by now. She's assertive, she knows who she wants to help, and even though DMWillow is indescribably cruel to her, she doesn't end up leaving. She stands next to Buffy until she, uh, faints, and then runs off, which I liked and thought was a very defining moment for the new and improved Dawn.

Clem. I heart Clem. I don't know, with him, I think that the writers for the first time successfully created a minor character that is actually likeable and useful to the plot as well as good for providing comedic levity. More Clem. Less Xander.

The remaining Troika. Okay. Andrew - can die, for all I care. This kid is not learning his lesson, and he's not entertaining, and he's not funny. Jonathan, on the other hand, is being made into somewhat of a redemptioned saint by the writers, and that in itself is bugging the hell out of me. It's like all of a sudden he's seen the light and is making all the right decisions, and I feel so incredibly strongly that they are setting us up for more Jonathan in the future that I just can't watch him and not feel nauseous. They both play their parts well, but I just don't give a shit about either one of them - the only reason I'm glad that DMWillow doesn't kill them is because of what it would mean for the 'other' Willow.

As far as special effects go: I am still wondering where the hell the added budget went that Buffy got from UPN, because it obviously was neither wardrobe nor SFX. The truck-chase? Dude, that was so obviously a dummy that I am surprised they even left it in the final editing. This is sloppy, but then again, sloppy suits the writing in this season, so I guess we should be grateful that when ME fucks something up, they really do go all the way. The other sparky-effects are once again unimpressive and often very clearly edited. I wonder how it is that they make Anya's teleporting look more or less realistic whereas DMWillow's "airtravel" looks about as real as your average leprechaun.

And this brings me to the plot of this episode. I don't even know where to start. Jezus. This is DMWillow on a massive powertrip. That's really the only short way to summarize it. DMWillow on a powertrip, and everyone else looking for a way to stop her, but she makes it abundantly clear that she doesn't want to be stopped. Challenges Buffy to who the real Slayer is. Insults Dawn, threatens to turn her back into a key. Knocks nearly everyone in sight unconcious. And is seemingly reveling in all of the above. Yes, they brought out Willow's inner insecurities. But could they have done it in a worse way than this? I think not. I would've liked to sympathize with DMWillow, but they've made even *that* impossible, because there simply isn't a shred of regret or confusion evident in her behavior. She's on a mission to kill and destroy and expresses her hatred for the real Willow. "Willow was a loser. Always getting picked on. And now she's a junkie", and the like. It was like that scene from Doppelgangland, but then infinitely worse, because they went too far. This version of Willow isn't redeemable, nor likeable, and in spite of already firmly believing that Tara's death would eventually destroy Willow, I am disgusted at this turn of events. I have to say though... the dialogue is at times remarkably sharp. After having sat through the crap that was the "couch scene" in Villains, I was happily surprised at the snark that DMWillow was delivering to Buffy. Straight, to the point, effective, and painful - this still beats "You can't kill people, because it's wrong", even though I never wanted to hear it coming out of Willow's mouth. So there it was. And then to think that this was only the scene-setting episode. I haven't even gotten to watching the one where we have DMWillow crumble and fall yet. The infamous yellow crayon is yet to be talked about, and I've yet to impale myself on a fork. But the trend of the poor dialogue and the bad storyline and the extremely bad characterization of an upset, grieving and 'addicted' Willow has been firmly established. ME and sweeps. Not unlike a sharp stab in the back.

I'm having a hard time rating this episode for myself. Yes, it was disturbing and bad and so incredibly fucked up, yet somehow it was almost easier to watch than half of the rest of this lame-ass and uneventful season. And that's me talking as a critic, not so much as a fan and as a shipper. I don't want to talk as a fan and as a shipper, because I'm not much of a fan anymore, and shipper.. *sigh*

And then there was some Tara in the previouslies. Which was enough to make me sniffle, and realize just how badly I miss her already, and she's only been gone for two episodes now. *sigh*

Time for "Grave".

[i:773a788d47] ETA: Shit, I just realized I didn't even [b:773a788d47] mention[/b:773a788d47] Spike. Yeah, he was in this episode, but I care as little as the rest of you do, so I won't bug you. Except to wear blinders when he's on screen, because all of his scenes are topless, and his abs are scarier than DMWillow, the wardrobe, and this season's plot combined. A lot. I mean, really, a lot.[/i:773a788d47]

[drusilla(d)]

one thing is for sure, if there is no reset, then willow better not have ANY powers, next season. Because if not how do they know she wont go on a powertrip again?

[Sivi27]

I think they called it Grave not to refer to grave as a "noun", but to refer to "grave", the adjective, because this episode (or should I say, pile of crap) is not to be taken lightly. Yes, the first part wasn't that bad. The second part? I can't talk about it. I hated it, front to back, because it was wrong, and out of character, and the ending was just about the lamest piece of writing I have ever seen on television. Willow crying in Xander's arms. No closure, no nothing, just Buffy and Dawn walking off into a cemetary that looks more like a freaking rosegarden and Spike getting a soul. I really can't do this episode justice - this is bad on a level that I didn't even think existed. The only thing I can say is that I'm going to miss Willow's dark hair. Her red hair at the end of the episode looks kind of weird after having seen about three hours with straight black hair. Other than that, this episode rates -20 on a scale from 1-100. Thank you, ME, for using up 2 hours of my time. Season 7 can kiss my ass - this was the end of my run with Buffy, no exceptions added. GAH.

[drusilla(d)]

hmmm so is anyone on this board going to watch next season? I probably wont be.

[Rally]

WTF is this??? This is fucking crack smoking bullshit, Buffy tells Giles she is sleeping with Spike and the burst out laughing?

This is utter utter shite.

[JoanneHillier]

i haven't been here in a week but i had to come by to post this....i wrote this as i watched the episode...


can xander stop whining about him not being able to do anything. i figure after 6 seasons he would stop being so whiny. and anya, you should hate him, i would to, someone left me at the altar...

willow...i don't know how you will come back from this and if u do, i don't think it will be believable at all and just ruin it for next season....i hate willow like this, i hate tara being dead, but if ur gonna do this joss, go the whole way, don't have willow going back to being willow at the end...

i can tell this is setting up for xander to do something big so he can be some big man...why? next season he be whining again cause he will feel useless...

also if they ever have willow date a man next season, i will write so many letters...

sorry this is just some randoms thoughts since i have no one on any messenger to chat with about the show as i watch it...

spike is in the episode, actually i don't think he needs to be in this episode even if it's the last one of the season...and what is up with the first test...just fighting a guy with fists that are on fire....we already know he can fight....that isn't a test...

giles coming back was predictable...but he knocked willow down which was good...

the two main problems i really got is i can tell they are gonna make xander some hero somehow and that pisses me off. they are setting it up so much with him whining...

and then i know they are gonna have willow come back to being herself and damn, she can't....

i love giles laugh...hehe...maybe not great time..but i needed it and i think most of the audience would have needed...

looks like part of what they might do is say it wasn't all willow. cause willow is talking in the third person and saying stuff like willow doesn't live here anymore. *referring to in herself*

i still think if they have back to normal willow next season it will be a cop-out...

oh damn can i say it too many times? well xander stop whining...

i knew it...instead of getting rope to say buffy and dawn, he goes after willow without knowing where she is...

and of course he is gonna save her i bet....which is so messed up and i'm angry with....for one, they had it so setup the whole time with his whinying and also cause i don't buy that he can save her, and also that willow would come back...

well 10 or so minutes left....let's see...

oh damn he is trying to save the world but telling her fond memories of the past and telling her he loves her...COME ON

oh xander saved the day by telling willow he loved her, now she broke down and started to cry and they hug and she has red hair...come on...now she is okay, cause of that? i don't buy it...yes giles helped by giving her his magic so she could feel or whatever...i still think it's dumb....

giles told anya, he saved us all (talking about xander)....come on....that is such corny writing...and well the whole thing of xander saving the world after whining the whole episode about not being able to do anything...

well i don't buy it...

buffy and dawn having a special moment now...saying she wants to live, be happy, be with her friends, show dawn everything...

oh and now they can somehow climb out of the hole that they couldn't have done before when they had more strength...

i just don't buy it...yes i'm still angry...

oh and spike has his soul back now...what does this mean now? i hope no spike/buffy next season...

also really, willow back to normal now?

and i bet next season, first few episodes might mention tara but that is it i bet...no funeral or nothing i bet...

and still can't believe willow is back to normal and as giles said, he has saved us all(xander).

i think i hated xander saving them all the more cause the whole episode they had him whining about not being able to do anything. it was such a setup that you wouldn't expect from a show like buffy.

[Tricia]

Just saw it. Two things I thrived on for the season finale... DMW all around cuz she just ROCKS with the evil mojo and that Buffy needed "every square inch of her ass kicked". Gosh, I still say a mental "YAH!!" at that line. Other than that, the ending sucked some major @$$! Give me a break, those three lil words made DMW go all Willowy again? Maybe coming from Tara (I'd even accept her as a fricking ghost), but from Xander? Oh come on! Oooo maybe 3 things.... Anya's "so many things to say" to Giles... the girl cracks me up. As for watching next season... yeah *slowly raises hand* I've watched since episode one, season one so I for one will see it out.

T.

[Canadian Kitty]

Originally I had planned to sit down and sum up my feelings on this episode and the season as a whole in a sizable rant/review, but that was pre-beer. Now what you get is a slapped together, foamy, on the fly review of the finale. No, wait, I cant give you that either because the finale of Buffy was pre-empted here for a Lifetime movie of the week.

Wait. Whats that little singing and dancing beer? [b:f7936d4367] THAT[/b:f7936d4367] was the season finale? Huh. How about that. Well here I go.

You know I cant blame this travesty of an episode on the writing. It was actually ok (within the parameters of the story, which I will trash in a moment), at least it was better than Villains. And when I say better than Villains I mean there werent as many lines that made me want to take a vow of silence so as to not be another talking idiot. And I cant blame it on the acting. Alyson was of course superb, and SMG and the rest of the cast seemed to take their characters off the low emotion diets theyve been on all season to look like they gave a crap, at least some of the time.

No, the acting and writing werent the problem here. The story was.

I have watched Buffy for 6 seasons now so I think its safe to say that Im pretty good at suspending disbelief and getting sucked into an imaginary world. But even imaginary fantasy worlds have rules and structure. Thats what holds you there. Or at least thats how it works for me. In developing the story as it is ME, the writers, Joss, the little devil on his shoulder, whoever, has broken down that structure, using cheap tricks, incredible coincidences, MAJOR character manipulation and, drum roll please, [b:f7936d4367] SUPER GILES!![/b:f7936d4367], to produce action packed, super cool imagery, with absolutely no point other than to be shocking. I mean please, if youre going to destroy my favorite character and kill the other one at least make it mean something. If I wanted to see flying fireballs Id light something on fire and toss it in the air.

When Giles appeared in the doorway to the Magic Box, looking for all intents and purposes like the Rock in a trenchcoat, I snorted beer out of my nose in laughter. And the chuckles didnt stop there. This episode was so utterly ludicrous it would take forever to thrash it properly.

I try, but I am not really a writer. I have written a total of one BTVS fanfic, in which I am sure there are plot holes the size of small moons, dialogue that is cringe worthy, character assassination, an abundance of unnecessary exposition, and way too many coincidences. But as I sat and watched tonights finale I realized that I too have a bright future in television writing.

Oh and just because I cant possibly not mention how much I despise Xander and his [i:f7936d4367] But how does this all relate to me[/i:f7936d4367] attitude I really wish someone would shove that yellow crayon up his ass.

Ahhhh, I feel better. Its beer time baby.

CK

[Corinthian]

I had inside info. It was reliable. It was beyond question.

It didn't pan out.

Instead I got this.

I don't know what to think.

They let me down. They let us all down.

Amber's coming up to Toronto in the beginning of July for a convention. I will ask her then, unless it appears before now in a season-ending overview thingee.

Will I be back? I started watching w/ season 1. I enjoyed it pre-Tara but... For now, I will reserve judgement. But they've got a helluva battle to get back to where it was fun.

*sigh*

[Crus]

I usually just lurks around but I just have to de-lurk and say this "[b:94fb987651]THE ENDING SUCKS BIG TIME!!![/b:94fb987651]".
How stupid was that...Xander stopping all powerful DMW!!!!

Season 7 - unless Tara is back - it has lost me.......

[b:94fb987651]WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT!!![/b:94fb987651]

[drusilla(d)]

ive known for some time and im still reeling from the whole "Xander saves the world" deal. My head is spinning....make it stop =(

[Epicurus]

All this and they had to go and make Willow be so cruel to Dawn. Why? I can understand the need to bitch at Buffy and Xander and Anya and even Giles but Dawn? Just when you think you've reached bottom you find out you still have a long fall ahead of you. I wanna scream.

[Warduke]

I watched it tonight and I feel dirty now. This was the worst piece of garbage I have ever seen.

Let's have a look at the characters shall we...

Willowwhat can I say, she truly did die with Tara, this was just an empty shell.

BuffyI now officially hate Buffy, welcome to the Xander/Spike club honey.

Xanderwhat a waste of space, and I thought I hated him before.

AnyaWTF was the point of having her be a vengeance demon again?

Gilescomes back, stops Willow (for a bit) goes in the back and Buffy tells him she slept with Spike and they laugh it upthis is suppose to be funny???

Dawnthe new vampire slayer?

Jonathanhe knows he did wrong and now hes ready to be redeemed

Spikea murderous beast, a rapist and nowit has a soul, real nice.

Tarawho?

A lot of people wanted closure, well I for one got it tonight, this was the worst Buffy Ive ever seen, to go from the best show on TV to this joke. Those who deserved to be rewarded were punished and those who deserved to be punished were rewarded, what fucking bullshit, well its was a fitting way for this show to end for me, I wont feel [b:d1510e26e1] any[/b:d1510e26e1] uncertainties about not watching next year, to hell with this sad excuse for a TV show.

[friskylez]

I read the wildfeeds this morning and was heartbroken at what transpired and that piece of shit they call a season finale...Those who are saying they liked the episode, you are entitled to your opinion but i cant, as someone who loves W/T, applaud anything about that episode..I watched a rerun of NMR tonite and cried because i knew that what we were seeing in that special moment was no more..

I dont have the words to express the depth of my sorrow for W/T, ill leave that to those here who are far more eloquent than I..What truly makes me angry is the callous way the other characters treated Taras memory as if she never existed, except for Willow of course and she will never be the same dark magic or no...I will not watch next year nor will i watch the finale tomorrow, im pissed and im done and it makes me so very sad...

[Iamyouknowyours]

Taking all this from the wildfeeds, but if Willow had the common sense to do the mind melding thing w/ Anya and ask for her help to break the binding spell, why the fuck didn't she make a wish to Anya for Tara to be brought back to life? I mean HELLO! That would have been my first thought. And Willow is a very smart girl. Don't tell me the high on black magic thing blinded her to a possible way to save her honey. I'm just praying the solution will occur to my favorite redhead and my lovely, sweet girl Tara will be returned to us once more in season seven. Here's hoping!

[Strapping Lass]

Well thats and hour and a half of my life that wont be coming back!
I cant believe that was the season finale to Buffy! Buffy, the show Ive watched and loved since S1. Even in its more wobbly moments its never disappointed me with its season finales.
This one was terrible.
Im glad I watched it a work so at least in a round about way I got paid for it!

I keep thinking, okay maybe some of the effects were cool, and wasnt it good to see Giles and didnt Willow look pretty cool with the whole black = evil ensemble but
then it hits me and I remember

Season 1 Prophecy Girl, Buffy aged16 and knowing shes going to die, Giles wishing he could change it, her excepting it like a hero, going to find the Master regardless. Being found drowned by Angel, saved by ordinary boy next door Xander, the whole who will save you now/what hero speech - smash cutting so coolly into the newly alive Buffy walking the corridors of the high school with Angel and Xander with full heroic purpose while the Nerf Herder theme pounded in the background, the great lines You have punch mouth, I flunked the written. and We saved the world I say we party I remember the elation, the closure - the entertainment.

On to Season 2, such angst, such pain and love, the others being ambushed Giles captured, Willow hurt, None of my friends have a rock this big Spike when he was cool, the world eating demon, the cooler than hell sword fight showing us with a furious battle and few words how we can hate most what we have loved most. Then Willow and the spell, Angel souled, Xander despite his hatred of Angel still there for his friends and then the coup de grace the sword through true loves heart saving the world but Buffy losing all that would have meant the world to a teenage girl - her true love back as himself - and then the running away, the others not knowing. I remember the pain, the emotion - the entertainment.

Season 3 Everything Perfect television with the epic ness of the best films. Faith, You kill me you become me B Buffy showing how far shed come, how much she had grown the fight between the slayers exhilarating and justified each struggling as much with them selves as each other. Willow and Oz finding the love even in a crisis - perfect and real. Were gonna need a bigger boat Missed the heart Meant to, Hes gonna do the whole speech, thats just evil. Man just ascend already the SNAKE, the fight at the end!!!!We survived, High School. Angel going, Fire bad, Tree pretty, metaphor on so many levels we grow up and move on all of us. I remember the elation, the excitement - the entertainment.

Season 4 uneven at times but the endings, Primeval great effects, all the scoobs together again, cool, cool Matrix Buffy, brilliant pacing, exciting fights epic once again. Better than most action movies. Restless where to begin, bold, infuriating, beautiful, brave- all about meanings and metaphor. Tara as the guide, Be back before Dawn Sooo much foreshadowing so much about our characters we know and love so well, so many hints and references. Mmm naked Tara, Spike posing, the cheese man, You think you know, what you are? You havent even begun. I remember the confusion, the deep discussions with other fans, the interest, the intrigue - the entertainment.

Season 5 ONLY A BLOODY YEAR AGO ME!! I knew what was going to happen and I still cried! Everybody there together Shes with me! Did anybody know the slayers a robot I will always find you God that end scene - the music, the rising sun, the slow motion dive, a heros death captured, her friends grieving Spike beginning to cry (remember when he was emotionally effecting even when not likable) beautiful, moving television. I remember the tears, the exhilaration, the soaring beauty - the entertainment.

Now what do we have muddled plotting, poor dialogue, cheap effects. No adherence to the characters weve come to love over the last few years. It felt bombastic, cheesy and embarrassing, but most of all small. Considering the sense of epic the other seasons managed on less budget Two to Go & Grave felt small and cheap. I never felt the world was in danger from Willow and the lady demon thingy, but I did when Angel found out his blood was the key to Acathla in S2. The excellent writing has always helped the execution of these stories in Buffy allowing us to suspend disbelief even when the budget limitations were there. I really cant believe I watched the same show as the one I was riveted to a year ago. No understanding, no joy, no excitement, NO entertainment.

It will take a miracle to bring back BTVS from TV hell even if Joss manages it I wont know because after tonight Im done with it. I hate what they have done to my best most favorite TV show, its broken my heart.

Sorry to post such a long, long and ranty post for my first official one at the kitten. Ive lurked here for a very long time and everyone here seems to be, without a shadow of a doubt, the most kind, funny, sensitive, intelligent caring group of people I have encountered in my many (too many!) years as a television fan big big love to you all.

Strapping Lass

[drusilla(d)]

problem....okay, im having a hard time of remembering who told us this. But didnt someone say that there was a scene with Anya, Buffy and Xander and it was a closed set so nobody could see what happens untill the finale? What was that all about?

[kpmuse]

I am not watching these shows or looking at any images, but I did read the wildfeed. Utter crap! Total sadness!

It did give me great pleasure tonight to see many negative reviews of the Buffy finale and the Angel finale on other boards, in particular the BronzeBeta. Is that wrong of me? You know I am an evil lesbian, so I don't care.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that if they do utilize Anya next season to wish away this horrifying one, and thereby restoring the Buffyverse to the older and lighter days of seasons gone by, I wish the actors well. I will not watch. Oh, maybe if Amber is on, I will check out her episode(s).

Now on to the campaign and then the healing.

I love the new top of the Spoiler Board. Just say no to Joss, Marti and Steve.

[The Rose24]

I do not think ME is ever going to live up to Season five, IMO, the best season of Buffy ever. It is even better than season three.

Love the new banner.

[drusilla(d)]

that is the awesomest banner, i agree. its funny and i like it. Serves them right.

[Scoobiedoo]

Ok...well, that was rather lame. Lame lame lame lame lame. I have a few points to make.

1. I disagree with what others have said about the dialogue... It was ridiculous! "Get off superbitch!" What the fuck was that?
2. I'm not even wiccan and I was offended with the way that were representing it. "Wiccapalooza"? Puh-lease.
3. This is probably the worst episode that I have ever seen. Everything that made Buffy so great and subversive is gone and replaced with this sexist, misogynistic, homophobic crap. It almost makes me miss Riley.... I said almost.
4. I miss Tara.
5. One more thing... LAME

[urnofosiris]

Oh lord that banner cracked me up, we do bitter like no one else does.

[tommo]

Yes, I'm coming out firmly in favor of the banner. Put your teeth away, Steve, they're not welcome here.

[AutumnT]

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But didnt someone say that there was a scene with Anya, Buffy and Xander and it was a closed set so nobody could see what happens untill the finale? What was that all about?

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[/quote:a6d5bf6f00] Yes, Ed the Asshole said that amongst other lies.