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Postby sam7777 » Mon May 20, 2002 3:16 pm

Marti's on the "let's blame Joss" bandwagon and really defensive about season 6. At least, Marti isn't on the old "don't watch if you don't like" riff that DeKnight and David Fury spewed. The name of the article, "Buffy's Annus Horribilis" is quite appropriate. :puke

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Buffy's Annus Horribilis
Mon, May 20, 2002 12:52 PM PDT

by Kate O'Hare

We all have bad years, and being a Slayer certainly hasn't insulated Buffy Summers (Sarah Michelle Gellar) from woe. She lost her mom, her dad's both absent and a deadbeat, and she had to die to save the world.

That was just the beginning.

On Tuesday, May 21, at 8 p.m. ET, UPN's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" ends it sixth season -- and its first on its new network -- with a two-hour finale, closing out a year that has seen deep divisions among both Buffy's Scooby Gang and the show's fans.

Resurrected from the dead in the season premiere, Buffy spent most of the year struggling with the mundane details of life -- paying bills, social workers, etc. -- and an overwhelming sense of ennui (she was not yanked out of hell, as her pals assumed, but heaven).

At the end of last November's musical episode, "Once More With Feeling" -- the standout hour of the season -- she decided to jump-start her stalled emotions by throwing herself into a violently passionate affair with former foe and reluctant ally Spike (James Marsters), a vampire prevented from killing by a behavior-modifying microchip in his brain.

The results of this decision have been painful emotionally and physically, driving Buffy apart from her friends and family -- not that things were going any better for them either.

Wiccan lovers Willow and Tara (Alyson Hannigan, Amber Benson) broke up over Willow's addiction to the power of magic, Xander (Nicholas Brendon) left ex-demon fiancee Anya (Emma Caulfield) at the altar, and neglected little-sister Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg) turned to kleptomania and screaming fits to get noticed.

There were funny moments -- often provided by this year's villains, the Troika, three science-fiction-obsessed nerds (Adam Busch, Tom Lenk, Danny Strong) who proved more deadly than they looked -- but there was a distinct lack of happy.

With series creator Joss Whedon not as involved in day-to-day production as in previous seasons -- having "Buffy" spinoffs and a FOX pilot, "Firefly," to keep him busy -- his fellow executive producer, Marti Noxon, has borne the brunt of criticism.

"I don't take that ridiculously personally," Noxon says, "mostly because I didn't design the shape of the season alone. People are always unhappy. I have not had a season in the last four where you didn't have half the people complaining, so it doesn't feel unique to me."

"This year, I think the Spike and Buffy thing has raised more divided opinion."

This relationship -- played out with fairly graphic sex scenes and very dark undertones -- apparently has raised the ire of those who think Buffy should hold out for a reunion with her great love, vampire-with-a-soul Angel (David Boreanaz), who's off on his own spinoff series on The WB Network (don't hold your breath for this one).

It has also created a sizable cadre of fans who think a few years of microchip-induced harmlessness have reformed platinum-haired bad boy Spike, whose capacity for such human emotions as love and compassion is still counterbalanced by his lack of a soul and resultant amoral ruthlessness.

"I understand why people feel the way they do about Spike," Noxon says. "I understand why they feel that a couple of years of changed behavior is enough to warrant complete trust, but I don't share that opinion. It's OK that there's a difference of opinion."

"I don't feel like it's a failure to communicate. We've made our case. Certain people get it and understand it, and other people are going to be Spike-shippers (a term for those in favor of the Spike-Buffy relationship) no matter what. That's in no small part due to the charisma of the actor."

"It's hard to hate him, but I think I feel like we've made a pretty good case for the fact that they probably shouldn't ride off into the sunset together, at least not the way things are now."

"In general, there's controversy, and people have their feelings. I definitely don't take it personally. If people out there are like, 'Oh, the Marti Noxon season sucks,' I laugh, because Joss is just as involved in story-breaking as he's ever been."

Despite what does or does not happen to Spike at season's end, Marsters is contracted to return next year "in one form or another," Noxon says. "It's going to be a good surprise, I think. It's going to be something great."

Noxon does admit that the tone of the season has been dark, with brief breaks such as "Tabula Rasa," a semicomic tale in which the characters temporarily lost their memories.

"Certainly the story line with Buffy has been pretty overwrought," Noxon says. "She came back from the dead, etc. Given that, I think we've found as many opportunities for fun as we could, like being able to do stuff like the memory-loss episode, where you can still make your point, but do it in a lighter way."

"But again, I will say, we hear this every year, 'This year seems very dark. There's not as much fun.' And oh, boy, things are going to get even funnier!"

Another major change this season was the lack of a major villain, or, in "Buffy" parlance, a "Big Bad." This fell instead to the very human Troika, who could neither be dismissed as supernaturally evil nor dispatched with stake or crossbow.

"I do think people find it difficult," Noxon says, "because there's not as clearly a Big Bad. The bad is a little more banal, which sometimes leads to really big bad. Sometimes evil is banal. I hope that people will see that they are the Big Bad in their own way."

"Sometimes it doesn't come from being all arch and villainy; sometimes it comes from not knowing what you're doing. It's the teen-age boys who decided to be badasses for fun, and it got out of control."

As for those slagging the show, Noxon says, "I wish everybody in the whole world loved 'Buffy' all the time, but I hope that the people who hate it keep watching."

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Editted to add: I wonder if her defensive tone isn't due to Joss' latest interviews where he damns the season with faint praise: "I think we made some great eps." or "But yeah, everything I saw that I could have made better or had a different vision for, I go, 'Aaaarrgh!' ". Interestingly he never mentions Marti for good or bad.
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Postby Rally » Mon May 20, 2002 3:20 pm

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As for those slagging the show, Noxon says, "I wish everybody in the whole world loved 'Buffy' all the time, but I hope that the people who hate it keep watching."
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Well Marti, I hope for world peace, an end to hunger and Willow and Tara love for eternity... but since that ain't gonna happen... I wouldn't exactly hold your breath when checking out those Neilsen numbers.
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Postby BBOvenGuy » Mon May 20, 2002 3:26 pm

And let the toxic waste cleanup begin. Better bring a big big mop, Marti, because as TV series go, this one has turned into Chernobyl and Love Canal combined.
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Postby Rane018 » Mon May 20, 2002 3:32 pm

marti, thanks for talking about topics that really matter... sigh...
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Postby Scout » Mon May 20, 2002 3:35 pm

Good luck with that, Marti. No really.

Reading this makes me wonder what kind of comments we're going to hear after tomorrow's airing. Let the damage control begin...

Bleh
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Postby The Partisan » Mon May 20, 2002 3:38 pm

Well, I really didn't expect the damage control teams to be dispatched until after the finale had actually aired, but given the fact that this has been an absolute cowpat of a season, and that the finale seems to be MST3K fodder, I suppose we're entitled to take some vicarious thrill in watching them scramble.

Marti's right about one thing, though, this is ultimately Joss' fault. Let's keep that in mind when Cowpat Jr. makes its debut under the pseudonym of Firefly.
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Postby 4WiccanLuv » Mon May 20, 2002 3:55 pm

MN can hope all she wants.

I now hate the show and I will not be watching.

I think their strategies backfired and have now blown up in their collective faces.
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Postby Lisa of Nine » Mon May 20, 2002 3:56 pm

BtVS is about to see a ratings dive on a Biblical scale.
MARTI? You want Willow and Tara fans to watch?
Well, we WOULD, but that would cheapen the death of your show. Sorry, no can do. Love to bring the ratings back to life, but that's so been done.
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Postby Rane018 » Mon May 20, 2002 4:03 pm

i blame all of them for this. i'm sorry but they could have suggested changes in story evolution, been more upfront about the wrongness of the whole cliche (fucking hell her mom is gay afterall), etc...

Deknights bullshiastic 'in hindsight we can see the cliche' is crap. they all have known all season what joss wanted. they could have helped steer in less offensive ways. it's obvious they spent the whole season with buffy and spike and they forgot to give any other scoobs good reasons to do what they did and act the way they acted. none of this makes anysense except for spuffy unfortunately, no matter how horrendous that "couple" was.

you know what, sorry to quote xander here but i've gotten to the point where i too want to scream OH WHO CARES and just stop caring about what these people have to say. but for some reason i cant. i'm so hurt by what they've purposefully done i'm in shock.
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Postby kpmuse » Mon May 20, 2002 4:14 pm

You know, it's starting to be become painfully clear to me.

What did Joss do? Kill the lesbian, make her lover become crazy with rage and then let the guy jump in and save her.

What does this sound like at it's basest level? The ultimate male fantasty. Joss' ultimate male fantasy. It's twisted, but it is there. Xander to the rescue. Joss gets his jollies.

Of course he couldn't be swayed from this vision. This was his plan all along. He had to play this out. This reeks.

:puke :puke :puke
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Postby xita » Mon May 20, 2002 4:34 pm

let's face it she's not talking to us. she's talking to the spuffers, keep watching I'll give you a james masters buffy can fuck.

Whatever, we don't count. Tara never existed, she doesn't even talk about that..

show.. over
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Postby tommo » Mon May 20, 2002 5:34 pm

Well it's not her concern is it? Lesbian mothers? What lesbian mothers?
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Postby friskylez » Mon May 20, 2002 5:40 pm

Hey Marti I got your hate right here :puke
and a news flash for ya, im not gonna watch so bite me
and kiss my phucking ass you twit :puke
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Postby VampNo12 » Mon May 20, 2002 6:01 pm

That is what really gets to me Amber/Tara doesn't even merit hardly mentioning, instead its all about Spike and Buffy. I love the mixed messages here. In other words, Marti is basically saying the Spike of season 6 was just no good, and the relationship was bad, but hold on Spuffers soon you get a Spike with a soul (ie then we can watch happy Buffy and Spike have sex all the time ) :puke .

Marti wants Joss to have equal blame fine, because it was his vision, but still all the writers seemed to think the story-arcs were a great idea.

The damage control has started, and I am so fed up! Guess what Marti you thoroughly destroy Willow and kill her soul-mate, and for me you have killed the show. Let the ratings go tumbling down, and lets watch the show die a painful death. I mean they gave us pain and death all season its only fair we reciporcate by not watching, and thus, its time to make ME suffer just like they did to us.
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Postby Epicurus » Mon May 20, 2002 6:05 pm

[b:cb8c625ffa]Marti said "It's hard to hate him, but I think I feel like we've made a pretty good case for the fact that they probably shouldn't ride off into the sunset together, at least not the way things are now." [/b:cb8c625ffa]

Hard to hate Spike? hmm what frickin [i:cb8c625ffa]Spike[/i:cb8c625ffa] has she been watching?
The "not as things are right now" comment sure makes it sounds as if they are going to repeat the whole Angel-vamp-soul shitty storyline.

It is amusing that these writers all have different views on how exactly these characters are preceived by the audience. Perhaps that is the reason that none of their episodes seem to mesh with each others. I think I've heard enough interviews from writers for this life time. The only person I want to hear speak is Amber. I need to hear what she has to say.
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Postby xita » Mon May 20, 2002 6:07 pm

the great william/buffy romance .. coming right around the corner.
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Mon May 20, 2002 6:37 pm

:puke . So not the story I wanna see. But then, apparently I'm not the target audience anymore. Screw 'em. I'm *not* gonna waste an hour a week watching and many more hours of thought on a show I hate. I'm not putting myself through that. If Amber does a guest shot I'll probably watch (but I'll be finding out about the spoilers first, cause they actually *could* be more disrespectful than they have been if they choose. If this season's shown me one thing, it's that every time I thought ME had hit rock bottom, they managed to dig themselves even further.)

I was a Xena fan. I saw for a long time the problems with the show. I hung in there. I gave them a shot to make things right. I was rewarded with a series finale that snuffed out any hope or happiness. I've barely watched an ep since. Now, ME has shown themselves to be just as clueless and disrespectful and hurtful as RenPic ever was. Worse, probably, because they went out of their way to give the impression that they "got it". That they got how important the W/T ship was to so many people. What was Joss' comment? That W/T had turned out to be the most important thing they'd ever done on Buffy? And then he ends it like this.

I don't get it. I guess I'll never get it. But it sure seems like ME knows they've got a lot of unhappy fans on their hands. (They're coming out and basically saying "We fucked up" before the finale's even aired. Of course, Marti doesn't even mention W/T.)

Sigh. I dunno, I'm just so... disappointed, mostly. And feeling foolish for having trusted these people to get it right. To at least not obliterate W/T in such an offhanded, harsh, meaningless fashion. Not even a decent send-off, no reflection on anything good about this relationship. It's ultimately just the cause of Willow and Tara's destruction. And that hurts. It hurts like hell that this was the message they wanted to leave us with.

Wow. I thought I was too worn down at this point to really rant. Guess not.
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Postby morgan1707 » Mon May 20, 2002 8:07 pm

Well, I'm sure Spike fans, as well Spuffy fans, will be tuning in in their droves to watch next Season. Next Season, like this one, has been all about them. Sigh. Probably a love triange might be interesting too... add Xander to the mix? Oh, the originality!
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Postby drusilla(d) » Mon May 20, 2002 8:33 pm

well since buffy already fucked spike, im sure she will be screwing xander next season as well....god do i sound bitter.
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Postby sparrow » Tue May 21, 2002 6:53 am

I don't understand how Marti can live with herself after playing into the clique. Being the child of gay parents should give her a better understanding and compassion thus a better insight and acurate portrayal of women in love, in a lasting reationship. But no she plunges head first into this abyss of kill the lover and her girlfriend turns into Darth Willow. Playing this season off as just like the others, what show has she been watching. Everyone, critics and fans alike have said this season has been uneven, terribly dark and basically bad. This season has been sucked into some bizzaro land and we along with it suffer the demise of a once beloved show.
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Postby urnofosiris » Tue May 21, 2002 7:11 am

It was Joss' "vision", but methinks the lady could have protested louder, if she protested at all that is.
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Postby Sheridan » Tue May 21, 2002 8:00 am

May I suggest that the [i:887740f752] lady[/i:887740f752] spend less time on spin doctoring S6 and more on begging Amber to stay with the show and kick the writers to figure out a way to [b:887740f752] put Tara back![/b:887740f752] :spin
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Postby Nix42 » Tue May 21, 2002 8:09 am

I can't believe this crap, not even an acknowledgement that Tara even existed.

As for finding a way to bring her back, at this precise moment, I can't even contemplate watching :(
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