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Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:47 am

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I am not sure what to think of the fact that in the mini filmo/biographies besides their pictures there is no mention at all of Tipping the Velvet.




I had that exact same thought, G (though this site is for American audiences, very few of whom probably have access to BBCAmerica, which showed [the censored] Tipping in the States). Still, you can't help but wonder whether that (mutual) association is being avoided. :spin



GG But who, having seen Tipping, would fail to grin at the sight of the two of 'em embracing? (How quickly the mind goes from the vertical, to the horizontal! :p ) Out



And even w/ long hair, I *still* see a Keeley Hawes/(young, duh) Julie Andrews resemblance! (Just about as much as Rachael Stirling/Diana Rigg . . . without obvious benefit of shared genes!)

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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby aceivan » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:26 am

This is about Andrew Davies, screenwriter for Tipping the Velvet (from today's Times).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-523-1715040,00.html

TV’s master of bawd draws line at gay sex

Richard Brooks, Arts Editor

HE is known for “sexing up” literary classics such as Vanity Fair and Moll Flanders with bodice-ripping scenes that have verged on the gratuitous. But now Andrew Davies has balked at the idea of portraying gay sex for his latest screenplay.

The writer has omitted homosexual scenes from an adaptation of The Line of Beauty, last year’s Booker prize-winning novel, which follows the fortunes of a gay Tory in the 1980s.

He was put off by a combination of personal distaste and a belief that, despite increasingly liberal attitudes to sex, the public still has a limited appetite for watching men in bed together.

Davies has dodged the challenge by simply writing the instruction “they make love” in the script.

“The gay sex makes me rather queasy,” said Davies, who also adapted Pride and Prejudice for television. “I suspect the television audience also finds it awkward. Anyway, I’m more interested in the emotions of the characters than the sex act. So I’d prefer more soft focus with the camera on the eyes rather than other more intimate parts.”

Davies’s stance on homosexuality has surprised the BBC. The corporation commissioned Davies in part because of his willingness to portray bedroom scenes and to make explicit sex scenes where in the original book there might be only a subtle hint.

Kate Lewis, the drama’s producer, said: “Andrew is, frankly, coy about gay sex.”

The BBC wants its new drama to be erotic and has asked Saul Dibb, the director, to fill in where Davies, 68, has held back. “I know Saul thinks the scenes could be more explicit,” said Davies, adding: “I also don’t think our intention should be to shock.”

In recent years writers have become more willing to portray homosexual sex in dramas such as Queer As Folk, shown on Channel 4 in 1999. In Shameless, a drama currently being shown on the same channel, there is a gay relationship between a shop owner and a younger man.

Lesbian sex has been more widely portrayed. Davies himself relished adapting Tipping the Velvet, a Sapphic costume drama, for the BBC and promoted it as “absolutely filthy” before its broadcast.

Research supports Davies’s view that the viewing public remains cautious about male homosexuality. Opinion polls carried out by the Broadcasting Standards Commission before it was incorporated into Ofcom, the media regulator, in 2003 showed a relaxed attitude to depicting heterosexuality and little disquiet about lesbianism. Disapproval of showing two men in bed was far higher.

The Line of Beauty, written by Alan Hollinghurst, is set in upper-middle-class Tory circles. Its central character, Nick, is a gay man in his early twenties who conducts two affairs, one with a black social worker and the other with a rich Lebanese film maker.

Hollinghurst does not shy away from detailed sex scenes in the book nor from portraying drug taking. The book’s title is a reference both to the shape of the male backside and to lines of cocaine. Filming will begin in September.

Hollinghurst’s first novel, The Swimming-Pool Library, which came out in 1988, contained even more graphic gay sex than his latest one. “In The Line of Beauty I quite often ‘closed the bedroom door’ at the end of chapters,” said Hollinghurst.

“Also, since I wrote my first book the issue of gay sex is possibly less interesting and certainly less urgent than then.”

Davies’s work may have suggested him as the ideal candidate to increase the book’s sexual content for the small screen. He concocted lesbian scenes for the adaptation of Daniel Defoe’s Moll Flanders and made the heroine bisexual. In The Way We Live Now, his 2001 adaptation of Anthony Trollope’s novel, Davies invented a sex scene between Felix Carbury and Ruby Ruggles that upset the Trollope Society.

He also introduced smouldering scenes between Mr Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet to Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice for its screening on the BBC in 1995. He showed Darcy, played by Colin Firth, walking through the grass dripping wet.

Davies offended an audience of gay men at a National Film Theatre discussion when he told them how excited he was about writing the two-woman sex in Tipping the Velvet.

Dibb, who is married with a young child, said that the homosexual scenes were key to The Line of Beauty. “I don’t want the sex to be too polite,” he said. “I also don’t want it to be less open than if it was heterosexual. What’s vital for me is to do it honestly.”

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There's no reason why a straight guy should want to watch a gay sex scene if its not his thing but this sounds nasty and hypocritical. He's very happy to write lesbian sex scenes, Nan being beaten up and almost sexually assaulted, but two men doing naughties in bed makes him queasy?

I liked the quote at the end from Saul Dibb though.

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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby umgaynow » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:33 pm

Well, I just finished watching this for the umpteenth time...and it just never gets old...and no matter how many times I watch it, I find myself threatening Nan if she doesn't throw that rose to Flo and telling the screen what an idiot she is...if she hadn't bailed on Flo the first time, they could have been happily boinking all those years and she wouldn't have had to be Diana's slave all that time or suffer the indignities that came after...what can I say...I just love this show...love the book too...although it is quite different...found it amusing when I read the book (saw the show first) that Flo was the more experienced of the pair and she was the one who had to explain what Tipping the Velvet meant...hehehe...if only they'd had Nan and Flo's sex scene on the telly...but I suppose that fisting is a bit much for even the BBC...ah well :eyebrow
And of course, it has taken on a new dimension since I learned that Rachael Stirling, who plays Nan is Diana Rigg's daughter...keep looking at Nan seeing if there's a little Emma Peel peeking out...she definitely has her Mother's eyes...sure would love to see her in one of those Emma Peel cat suits...yummy :flirt

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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby umgaynow » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:13 am

Any idea on the projected airdate of Fingersmith? I am reading it right now...

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PS - as for unexpurgated versions of Tipping the Velvet...I got the uncensored British tv version through a canadian distributor I believe...generally canadian film board is a lot more lenient on content...as well evidenced by my unrated canadian copy of When Night is Falling...hubba hubba
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby GayNow » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:49 am

I think it's time for me to pull out this DVD again and do some viewing. Now if I could just get my friend to return my book, I could read it again too. Maybe I should give her a call.
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby ambercissism » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:56 am

I watched my DVD again, and all I can say is, it's AWESOME!!! :bounce Although the DVD version was quite different from the book, I preffered the DVD version. But I love the book also. It's just that it's more realistic to see Nan as the more experienced than Flo. Coz in the book, it's Flo who seemed more experienced than Nan.

I think Tipping The Velvet was the most wonderful lesbian story that I've seen. :clap
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby Hemiola » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:32 am

Word has it that the LOGO channel is supposed to start airing this series this weekend. However, different TV listings show different times????

Does anyone have a confirmed time/date for the start of this series on this channel? Thanks!:)
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby emma peel » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:32 am

Hi, Hemiola. I get Logo with DIRECTV, channel 263. I'm in Georgia, EST. What I did was scroll to the right with my remote thru all the program listings (Xena's on now! with Lao Ma!:thud ). It looks like Tipping the Velvet is going to be shown tomorrow, March 18,starting at 2pm EST. It appears to be showing sequentially, in 3 one hour eps. From 2-3, the description reads:
spoiler alert for those who haven't ever seen it"
Spoiler:
Women hide their relationship in the 1890's

Then from 3-4, again spoiler alert
Spoiler:
Betrayed by Kitty, Nan faces the streets of London alone.

The last hour, from 4-5;
Spoiler:
Nan has to make a diffocult choice when someone from her past resurfaces.

Right after Tipping the Velvet, Logo is showing Fingersmith from 5pm-7pm, and 7pm to 9pm, I guess broken up in parts one and two.
THEN, later saturday night ,Tipping is supposed to start over at 9:30pm, Saturday, March 18.
I hope this helps.:)
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby FemaleOfTheSpecies » Wed May 24, 2006 10:12 am

Don't know if I'm allowed to post this but for any UK kittens who don't yet own this DVD, a certain high street DVD store owned by a high-flying entrepreneur called Branson (get the hint?) has it on sale at the moment for £2.99. What a bargain, that and a decent bottle of wine for under £10 and a perfect night in!
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby tarebear » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:21 am

i've just recently gotten my copy and i must say that i absolutely loved it! wow! what an amazing story... this is definitely going in my favorite movies list!

now, i can't wait to get a copy of the book so i can read it already! sarah waters is amazing!
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby kimmy_s » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:44 pm

i've had the dvd since it first came out. i love it and the book although i like the ending on the dvd better than the book... all in all its a fantastic read, all her books are. now i just have to find fingersmith on dvd.....
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby Ben Varkentine » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:32 pm

FYI...

According to an item in the New York Daily News, a big screen version of Tipping The Velvet is in the pre-planning stages. Now, this looks like there's about a thousand things that need to happen before you can start lining up outside your local movie house, but I thought you'd want to know.

It seems the idea is to do kind of a distaff Brokeback Mountain.

It's said Sofia Coppola of Lost In Translation fame wants to direct.

Oh, and to play the leads, Beyoncé and Eva Longoria.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ ... 5801c.html
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby Knock yourself out » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:53 am

That sounds truly bizarre.
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby GayNow » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:54 am

I would have to agree. The thought of Beyonce and Eva Langoria playing those rolls kinda gives me the creeps. Not that I don't like Beyonce or Eva...but I just can't see it doing justice to the novel. It will seem more like a publicity play than it would a desire to tell Sarah's wonderful story.

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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby Hemiola » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:10 pm

My guess is that they would probably "modernize" it and turn it into a "contemporary" story which, of course, would ruin a considerable part of its charm. :happy
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Re: Tipping The Velvet Thread

Postby Knock yourself out » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:09 pm

Apparently, it's just a rumour.
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