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Building Briar

Postby Trom DeGrey » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:18 pm

I'm throwing this out there to gain some of that lovely and informative Kitten feedback. I've been researching literary agents of late and have found that most ask for 3-5 pages of your novel in question to be sent along with your query letter. Now, assuming they want to read anything beyond that letter, I suspect many don't make it through those 3-5 pages usually. I would think they would probably know if it was a definite yes or no within the first page. So, what I'm posting below is the first page of something I'm working on. Nowhere close to done, not even a title, but I'm wondering if I'm on the right track. If this was sent to you, would you want to read more of it? If yes, please tell me why. If no, also please tell me why. No one is going to hurt my feelings either. I need raw honesty here. I trust Kittens. Thanks.
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“Elden! Oh god, Elden! Don’t move!”

“What happened?”

“Call an ambulance, my partner’s hurt! Elden?”

“It wasn’t supposed to happen like this!”

“What?!”

“We were just supposed to make you guys look bad. No one was supposed to get hurt.”

“He’s stopped breathing! Just call an ambulance! Elden, hold on!”



Briar Conklin slid out of her 1978 Winnebago and looked down the battered stone path leading to the Smithton mansion. Faded moss green turrets reached toward the purple Massachusetts evening sky. The black wrought iron fence surrounding the front of the manor was crumbling among tangles of ivy.

Briar shook her head in dismay. For 200 years the Smithton mansion had been the social center of Civil, Massachusetts. Deals were made, marriages were set, informal town councils were held, all gossip and any politician wanting to get elected all passed through the dining room or parlors of the Smithton. There was as much history in the house as there was in all of Civil. Maybe more.

All of that had changed seven years ago though.

The family matriarch, Angelique Smithton, had died from what the county coroner had termed “extreme old age.” Released from the old woman’s iron will, what few relatives that remained had scattered to the four winds with their inheritance. The mansion had fallen to a grasping, petulant grandson. He chose to live elsewhere.

Briar climbed back into the Winnebago through its side door. She surveyed the electronic equipment stuffed into almost every available space and only haphazardly organized. She grimaced as she thought of Theo Smithton.

He had called her one night from his New York loft. He was spectacularly drunk and let slip that he was looking for a way to make a lot of money with minimal work on his part. Briar had swallowed a, “Fuck off,” and encouraged him to sell the house to the town historical society, but he had had a grander scheme.

Theo had seen her on one television show or another. With blonde hair, blue eyes, a girl-next-door face and three books published about her ghost hunting adventures, Briar was the hot topic in paranormal investigating. He wanted her to investigate the Smithton – on camera – and then he would begin charging for ghost tours.

It had taken every ounce of willpower Briar had not to tell Theo Smithton what to do with himself. In the end, her lifelong curiosity about the house and Theo somehow coming up with the exorbitant fee she had quoted him led her to agree. But only if an initial investigation was conducted off camera. He had readily agreed.

Failing light sputtered in through the back door of the Winnebago and Briar looked down to see her best friend and business partner Eri Levenson regarding her with his ever present grin.
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Re: Building Briar

Postby Emms » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:48 pm

WOW! I could tell within the first lines of this that it was going to be AWESOME! I don't really have anything constructive to offer...but I would like to say that I definitely think you've got some good SH** here. Great job!

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Re: Building Briar

Postby SJ » Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:08 am

Interesting and well written.
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Re: Building Briar

Postby Boschi » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:10 am

Liked the main passage, and am still mulling it over. Realize that you don't know me from Adam and that I'm not a frequent guest here, but since you asked for criticism, thought I would step up to the plate. Wouldn't bother doing so if I didn't like what you've written.

Was put off a little by the italicized passage at the beginning, particularly the phrase "It wasn't supposed to happen like this!", which teeters on the edge of melodramatic triteness.
Having a teaser of a critical moment seems like a good idea, but a gamble too. I would say that that first paragraph is likely where an agent (or reader) might decide to stop reading or keep on going - so make that teaser damn good.

Hints at deception - check
Promises drama - check
Implies emotional connections - check

So cool, but still a little flat. I would suggest adding a personalized quirk or two to the dialogue - make it a little more human, a little less soap.

It is also unclear who is speaking in the dialogue. I realize this comment is a bit of a duh remark, but what I mean is that I wasn't sure if Elden spoke ("What happened?") or if two (or more?) people were talking about an unconscious Elden. Not a problem, just wanted to make sure you knew how it read.

Also a nitpick that I'm sure you would've caught any way - "Call an ambulance", not "Call and ambulance".

And one more nitpick - I'm always leery of characters with similar sounding names cropping up early in books, so Elden and Eri caught my attention. That is a piddling detail however... :)

So there are my two cents. Hope the public posting of them is not a huge faux pas - someone let me know please if private messages are preferred for criticism. I just figured this way folks could disagree with my criticisms if they saw fit.

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Re: Building Briar

Postby Trom DeGrey » Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:22 pm

Emms- Thanks sweetie. I appreciate you taking a look at it.

SJ- Thank you.

Boschi- Thanks for taking some time with this. It's exactly what I'm looking for. I keep mulling over that flashback. The local writer I'm working with suggested starting off with it. It pops up here and there throughout the story and who Elden was, what he meant to Briar, what happened to him and how it has changed her is a thread throughout. I'm still not sure how to play it. I don't want it to be too detailed, but I keep thinking it needs speech tags or something. Your comments confirm that a little more for me. I've given some thought to cutting it completely, but then I think the opening doesn't grab the reader. It's why I threw this out here. Yeah, I need a little encouragement right now, but I need critical eyes more. I appreciate your comments. Oh, and thanks for pointing out the typo too. :blush
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Re: Building Briar

Postby Kieli » Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:23 pm

Actually, I was not minding the dialogue so much as the lack of lead-in all round. The dialogue would work if you had something of a segue. Have a situation prior to the dialogue then gently transition to it so that it fits like another piece of a puzzle that the reader must figure out. If we as readers must try to figure out Elden's importance, maybe a bit more of start before the speaking parts might be the trick. If you wish examples, PM me and I might be able to oblige. Or I can post them here. Whichever you would prefer.

Good luck, Trom, and it's good to see your work again.

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Re: Building Briar

Postby Trom DeGrey » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:07 pm

Hi Kieli! Thanks a lot. See, the more I look at this flashback the less I like it. I know I need to immediately open this door. I need to show right away that something catastrophic has happened, but I don't want it to be too clear or take up too much space. It's a part of Briar's character, a part of her past, but not central to the basic plot of the story itself. Post here or email me. I appreciate the examples and your comments too.
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Re: Building Briar

Postby Kieli » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:40 pm

Apparently this board hates it when people send me PMs. I received the notification that you sent me a PM but.....alas it doesn't exist when I go to look for it. MIght want to email me instead; it will get to me quicker. kieliran at yahoo dot com.
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Re: Building Briar

Postby StrangeQuark » Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:23 pm

Starting with unqualified dialogue-- It can be done. It can be done to great effect. It must be done with incredible care though.

Every word in that dialogue has to count, not just in its meaning, but also in characterization and emotion. As others have pointed-out, this is a tad melodramatic and forced. Lose the names, turn down the drama, and let the actual exchange of the situation take over. When someone’s flat-lining, names usually don’t enter the conversation. They don’t need to either, in this case at least.

The description of the manor-house and its backstory are a tad jumbled. You have a lot of good elements, just presented in a less-than-ideal order. Start with the Winnebago crammed full of gadgetry. Readers will want to know what it’s there for. Answer by revealing the manor, and its story. Then, go back to the main character and add more to her story.

Oh yeah... Unless that wrought-iron is like a thousand years old, I don’t think it would crumble. Flake, maybe, rust possibly, be scored by a century-plus of Massachusetts climate, likely.

The deal with the blonde hair and blue eyes or whatever-- It steps away from the tone of the piece too much, and, frankly, is it that important to know? Is it relevant to the story? Is it relevant to the scene?

These are my first impressions. I apologize if they seem harsh. I’m kinder than most editors, though.

You have the promise of a great story here. Your description is vivid. Your premise is full of conflict and mystery. I haven’t met your characters yet, so I can’t give an opinion on them. By all means, keep going with this. I look forward to an enjoyable read, and this first page is promising.

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Re: Building Briar

Postby Kieli » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:53 pm

I didn't know if Elden was actually supposed to be Eri so...I did a little assuming and reworked the beginning a bit. SQ is the established author, not me but I figured I could take a crack at it, so, here ya go:

“Jesus, there’s so much blood…Don’t move, Eri! Ju-just lie still.”

“What just happened?”

“Don’t just stand there, you idiot, call an ambulance, my partner’s hurt!”

“Whoa, whoa, this is whack. There’s no way this is our fault!”

“What are you talking about?!”

“We were just supposed to make you guys look bad. No one was supposed to get hurt.”

“Will you shut up and call an ambulance already! Dammit, I think he’s stopped breathing! Hold on, buddy, please hold on!”



Briar Conklin slid out of the uncomfortable driver’s seat of her beat-up 1978 Winnebago, sat down on the stairs of the back entrance and stared down the battered cobblestone path. She could feel as well as hear the creaks and pops of her joints as she stretched briefly. Traveling several hundred miles in that aging wreck of a motohome wasn’t her idea of fun road trip; but she could never part with the old heap. It had been her grandfather’s, then her father’s until it was passed onto her after his death seven years ago. Briar simply didn’t have the heart to give it up. Faded afternoon sunlight filtered in through the bent, faded blinds of the Winnebago, highlighting the electrical equipment stuffed into every nook and cranny of the too-small cabin. The doorway darkened suddenly and Briar turned to see her best friend/business partner Eri Levenson regarding her with his ever-present grin.

"What are you smiling about?" she smirked.

"Nothing. Just thinking that this is another fine mess you've gotten me into, Stanley," he joked, borrowing the words of their favourite comedy duo, Laurel and Hardy.

"Thanks a lot, Oliver."

"Anytime."
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Re: Building Briar

Postby Trom DeGrey » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:02 pm

A big thank you to everyone who has read through this and posted! I knew this wasn't good enough yet, in fact, it's only a first pass, but opening with the flashback was really bothering me and that, more than anything, was what I wanted to see the response to.

Kieli- Thanks for your posts and emails. Your input has been great. Elden and Eri are two totally different people. I realize the first page gives one very little to work with, but I really appreciate all the time you've taken with this.

StrangeQuark- Not harsh at all. Exactly what I was looking for. After reading through the archives of Miss Snark I knew there was way too much exposition and not enough get-up and go. I'll rework this and post again. Thank you so much for taking some time with it.

As an aside, I've decided to really kick start this (or finish it anyway) by making this story my NaNoWriMo project. I edit a lot faster than I write. :blush
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Re: Building Briar

Postby vix84 » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:03 pm

Howdy, Trom. It's very cool to read something that you've written; I like your style a lot.

You should read 'Second Glance' by Jodi Picoult, if you haven't. It's also about a ghost hunter and might be interesting for you.

My comments about the flashback: I agree with other kittens that the dialogue could be tweaked and tightened a little bit, but it definitely piques my interest. I would watch the drama - the accident in itself is pretty darn exciting and dramatic so the dialogue doesn't need to be so intense. Maybe the flashback should be more involved and personal, rather than short and cryptic.

About the rest of the first page, I think you are great at detailed writing and have the ability to make description interesting rather than tedious. I really enjoyed the snippets of humor and they make the start very readable. Good luck with this!
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Re: Building Briar

Postby Sassette » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:13 pm

Trom! (everytime I type this, I think of TRON. I love TRON :) )

I think this may be the first time I've popped into this forum, umm ... ever, actually, and I was just kind of scrolling through the topics when 'Building Briar' caught my eye - for a very specific reason, that I'm not going to get into :)

I'm actually kind of excited that it's a work-in-progress in that you're planning on rewriting this ... it's much easier to give feedback on something when you know it's definitely being rewritten.

I love opening with the flashback. I'll go ahead and agree with the other feedback saying that the content of the flashback could use some work - but I think from what you and others have said, you've got a fair idea on how to go about that.

So I'd like to mention something that hasn't been mentioned. This flashback has no immediacy, because no one is actively thinking about it (actively thinking ... who knew?). It's an easy fix, and allows you to work in a few other good things. If you add a few paragraphs in before 'Briar Conklin slid out of her 1978 Winnebago ...' you can get a smooth transition, make the flashback more immediate, and work in some details about your character.

I'm going to give some specific examples, which you can disregard or use as you see fit. Firstly, I'd make it clear that this is Briar's memory (but, as I don't know the details, you may have a reason for wanting to keep this unclear), and I'd have Eri aware of the entire thing (which, again, there may be a reason for not doing - but I'm getting the sense he's going to be a sidekick/character foil, so it might be a good idea for him to know pretty much everything about Briar).

This allows you to get in Briar's physical reactions to the memory. Is this a near PTSD kind of flashback where she's actually having uncontrollable physical reactions, like a sped-up heartbeat, a sense of feeling colder than she should, shaking, sweating, all of the above, a few to various degrees, or none at all? Also - is Briar a girly-girl or a tomboy? Is her hair long or short? If she's a girly-girl and thinking about something, she probably bites her lip and/or twirls her hair around a finger. If she's a tomboy or (dare I say? Because, y'know, she's not necessarily a lesbian just because she's on the Kitten? ;) ) butch, she perhaps presses her lips together and runs her hands through her hair - allowing you to descrive her hair: color, style, etc.

Eri, as the sidekick/character foil (again with my assumptions), could poke his head in from the back and ask if she's thinking about Elden. Her blue eyes can flash (getting in the description again) with anger or hurt (tomboy or girly-girl?), and then she can get out of the Winnebago. This establishes that the subject of Elden is taboo. And how would Eri ask? Is he cautious in the question, yet sympathetic and supportive, or vaguely disapproving? The former would imply a brotherly relationship and/or a crush he knows is unrequited and always will be, while the latter implies he's interested and possibly a little jealous of someone who is, presumably, dead.

I think you've got a solid start, and I hope you don't take this as a backhanded compliment, because that's not how it's meant: this is very impressive for a first draft. I find it very readable, and your description of the house is excellent - I generally kind of skip through description because I tend to find it boring :) , but I read every word of this. I'm hoping you'll be posting revisions as you write them, because I'm very interested in reading them.

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Re: Building Briar

Postby Trom DeGrey » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:25 pm

Sass- Thank you for taking some time with this. Your feedback is always appreciated, although I am all aflutter with curiousity over what Building Briar made you think of. :glasses Thank you for your suggestions. Starting with the flashback was never my idea actually. The local writer that I've been working with suggested it and I wrote something very unencumbered to see how it would turn out. Obviously, I'm the only person that knows all these people and their relationships to one another, so posting only a first page makes it hard to give feedback and again I appreciate your time because of that. This is my NaNoWriMo project now and a completely different page one has presented itself to me. I'll return to the flashback, but it may be in a dream form later. Thanks again for your suggestions. I've written several of them down.


Okay folks, here's another shot at it. Let me know if you find it compelling enough to want to read more or not. Please include why you do or do not like it. You will not hurt my feelings!

[center]What NaNoWriMo Gave Me[/center]


It was one of the most famous vehicles in America and Eri Levenson hated it. Go-Go the Winnebago coughed. “Why won’t you just get rid of this piece of shit?” he muttered.

His best friend and business partner Briar Conklin raised an eyebrow in askance. “She was okay when we were just slumming it, investigating every reported spook and specter in every little hamlet and ‘burg across New England,” she retorted. Go-Go coughed again.

“Yeah,” Eri agreed, “but now that you’ve become Miss World Famous Ghost Hunter with books and your own TV show you could afford something better.”

Briar pulled to a stop in front of the Smithton mansion. Go-Go sputtered and died before she could turn the ignition key. “True,” she said, “but everyone knows Go-Go now. The unwashed masses would throw a fit if I got rid of her.” Briar gave Eri a saccharine smile. “Besides, she’s more reliable than you.” Eri stuck out his tongue. Briar laughed and threw open her door, hopping out of the 1978 Minnie Winnie.

She turned all business as she took in the sight of the old manor. The battered stone path led to a worn oak door. Faded moss green turrets reached toward the purple Massachusetts evening sky and the black wrought iron fence surrounding the front of the house was blanketed by a tangle of ivy. She felt Eri move up next to her. “Elden would shit,” she whispered.

“Yeah, he would,” Eri agreed solemnly. He squeezed Briar’s shoulder. “I wish the old man was here too,” he said.

She shook him off with a sigh. “Let’s get all this crap inside,” she said. “We need to see if they turned the electricity on or if we’re going to have to fire up the generator.”

Eri went around to the back of the Minnie Winnie and opened up the back door. He climbed into the barely organized morass of equipment, followed closely by Briar. They began the arduous task of carrying in all of the trappings of modern advanced paranormal research. Laptops, video monitors, sound equipment, video and still cameras, motion detectors, headphones, boxes of wiring and a menagerie of other items both strange and common. “Remember when we just went into a place with nothing but a vid, a still and a tape player?” Briar panted as she exited the back of Go-Go with a monitor.

“Oh, to be young and poor again,” Eri retorted as he climbed in for his next load of equipment. Briar barked out a laugh.
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