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Re: Part 6

Postby VampNo12 » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:35 am

Mary, seeing an update is a wonderful "treat", especially for someone who happens to be sick (so if my feedback isn't too coherent blame the drugs ;) )! The interaction between W&T talking in bed, displayed perfectly their innate connection. And what I thought was poignant was Willow simply saying, ("I just wanna say that I know Donnie did some awful stuff, and nothing you could tell me would make me flinch or look away."). With this in mind, Tara might not be ready to share the "nit and gritty details", but Willow is always ready to reassure her love, that the "darkness" of the past will never alter what they share together in the "light", sigh true love :heart . And speaking of connections, how they "complete" each other, I just loved the line, ("And then they curled back around each other, each form finding the niches that made separation seem like the most ridiculous of notions."), just beautiful imagery.



As for the thoughts of Tara as a teenager they so resonated with me, especially the line, ("Love looked for the best in people, and wanted to believe they'd learned their lesson, but hatred waited until the guard left the door open for the briefest of seconds and then it killed you in the room where you were supposed to safe."). And poor Tara having to navigate such a horrid path, but knowing each day she survives is another day closer to her freedom (ie leaving to attend college). With this in mind, you capture the family dynamic so well, with the contrast of Nathan's "coldness" where she was never able to "read" her father (ie no matter what action she took in his eyes it would always be the wrong one), to Donnie's "open" hatred/bitterness in the forms of his taunts, which emotionally "ate" away her self-esteem, as well as the physical with the calculated beatings (ie to hide the evidence). Also my heart just broke for Tara, that even in the arms of her "safe harbor" (her mother), with subtle hints to confide in her, Tara knew she couldn't because Donnie would act on his threats to "kill her".



Lastly, I just enjoy how well you portray the group dynamic between the scoobies through their interactions. With this in mind, no matter the type of banter or barbs what is always underscored is the scoobies are a "family" with all that entails (which is wonderfully reflected in the gang's reactions to hearing the news about Donnie's return). And I must say I got a kick out of Willow translating for Xander's comprehension level, Anya/Tara friendship emphasized where Tara is comfortable enough to share some "spicey talk" (ie Anya's new appreciation of Willow's "talented mouth"), as well as Willow's observations on a crush Dawn may have on Tara. As for Willow's confrontation with Donny, you go girl :smash ! Donny thinks he can just push Willow down, make her small by playing these "games", but Willow certainly put him in his place. Thus, I so loved that after every harsh statement meant to belittle Tara in Willow's eyes, it was directly followed with Willow "reclaiming" the words in love, making the images beautiful and sweet. Donnie really should take Willow's sage advice (ie leave), but I'm sure Donnie's pride (as well as need to revel in his demented pleasures) will get in the way of common sense. So here's hoping for a Donnie "smack-down" by the gang in the near future :devil . Can't wait for the next part!







Edited by: VampNo12  at: 1/8/03 3:00:51 am
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Re: Part 6

Postby Grimlock72 » Wed Jan 08, 2003 4:52 am

Poor Donnie, he met a woman who talks back to him...heh. Guess that will take some adjusting from him, if ever :) He probably thinks Willow is better at bluffing then he is though, one day.....oh yeah

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presently-opposing gods of both comforting Tara and ripping Donnie's throat out.




Kindly explain to me how those two gods are opposed ? Ripping Donnie's throat out should provide long-term comfort I would say : -->>:



As for how Donnie could the same DNA as Tara, I would think Donnie's dad gave birth to him or such :) Donnie is older than Tara right ? Might be a severe cause of jealousy, which practically split the MaClay familly in two; male vs. female.



Tara's childhood reads like a very horrible one, amazing she didn't commit suicide and made it through. She shouldn't keep all those memories in, sharing them with loved ones can be liberating and lord knows she has WAY to much bad memories.



I think Donnie was most pissed at Willow because she was not impressed by him. Such charachters don't like their ego deflated. About Donnie; he either goes home, is shipped home or gets imprisoned... can't have him run around Sunnydale for months.



About the key conversation; Buffy already knows it's Dawn right ? I mean, she was told about the key being in human form by that monk who (I think) also told her it was Dawnie. Then again, keeping secrets is one of Buffy's worst habits.



Willow being sorta jealous/possesive was nice to read, though Dawnie isn't much of a 'girlfriend' typa threat :) Also kinda weird to read though...



Grimmy

"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

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Re: Part 6

Postby samiamiguess » Wed Jan 08, 2003 6:39 am

*wipes brow, exhales and taps fingers pondering the thought 'ok so how many damned emotions did Mary just evoke there?'* Let me count the ways;



1. warm fuzziness, what? Its an emotion, isn't it? ;)

2. goofy grinniness, :grin ok, ditto

3. anxiousness

4. empathy (I left home at 16. Its odd, even though I was practically counting the days, it still came as a surprise to myself when I actually did it. Go figure :

5. Sorrow, as you chillingly portray hatred

6. Delight, at the scoobies interplay. I particularly love the Tara Anya relationship which I find so classic in comedic terms so any expanse on this greatly appreciated! :)

7. Distaste, as I cannot believe what a piece of scum Donnie is. Oh wait, I can.

8. Lastly I felt proud, of Willow.



So those are the emotions. Damn you I try so hard to keep this cool exterior. :lol

What actually got me thinking, although I'm thinking rather constantly so what I should say is what focussed my thinking was the line her mother loved her fiercely. And this got me contemplating Willow. My er, affection for Tara has probably been well documented in my feedback, but here I found the portrayal of Willow fascinating. How she handled Tara, the fabulous jealousy of a possible teenage crush and her encounter with Donnie made me simply delighted that Tara, someone who felt unworthy of such love has found, again, someone who will love her fiercely. We so rarely saw how much Tara meant to Willow, if ever by ME. It was always Tara I felt who was protrayed as the 'loving partner' if you like but this always grated with me. Willow to me, wants nothing more than to constantly show how beautiful and loved Tara is so I thank you for exploring it somewhat here. This time though Donnie may have found more than his match, but then again given the small piece of waste he is, I guess that wasn't hard.



Splendid update Mary (see, I told you I'd come back with words other than wonderful...;) )

Sonya





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Re: Part 6

Postby barnabasvamp » Wed Jan 08, 2003 6:45 am

GO YOU!! :clap

Excellent update, just what we needed.



First of all
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Then again, it was hard to imagine how any woman could enjoy....that.
:rollin Gotta love that line :wink



The insight into Tara's childhood, so well done, felt like I was there and could almost feel her sorrow.



Then, finally someone had the nerve to put Donnie in his place. I loved the way you went through all of Donnie's accusations against Tara. Each time he said something derogatory, Willow countered with good thoughts of her own.



Not only is this an interesting look into Willow's head, but also is an excellent way to keep from letting someone as shallow as Donnie, make a person let their anger out.

BV



"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

Edited by: barnabasvamp  at: 1/8/03 4:46:43 am
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Re: Part 6

Postby funkyasian » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:09 am

oooh...angry willow...that's just want we need to bring some smack down...:punch :punch



i can't wait until donnie gets what's coming to him...:bounce :bounce :bounce

Nothing can cure the soul but the senses, just as nothing can cure the senses but the soul. ~ Oscar Wilde

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Re: Part 6

Postby SySnootles » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:19 am

I'm just flabbergasted by that last scene. I can't think of anything to say other than Yeah! Great update!

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Re: Part 6

Postby darkmagicwillow » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:26 am

Like Willow, I didn't get Tara's friendship with Anya on the show, but I'm beginning to see it here. Tara was sweet sharing what she said about Willow's kiss with Anya. Poor Willow has a hard time with this whole conversation, getting embarrassed by Anya, defending her baby against Xander's lascivious comments, and having to assert her position with Tara against Dawn of all people. She's got it bad.



Willow's confrontation with Donnie is great. He's being very stupid to tease Willow about casting spells, though he doesn't realize it. The best part is Willow's reconstruction of every hurtful thing Donnie says about Tara into an aspect of devotion to her love, not even feeling jealous about the love letter. How she takes the air of Donnie with her last two lines, showing him that Tara has outgrown him and challenging him to do what he wants to, are great, but the challenge worries me about another direction this story could take.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: Part 6

Postby Grimaldi » Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:01 am

great update :grin :bounce



i loved it when Willow threatened Donnie and when Donnie was saying those things about Tara, Willow was thinking of all of the wonderful qualities that make up Tara. Anya giving Willow a thumbs up for her kissing skills was too funny :)

Dude, we're surrounded by perverts!
I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

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Re: Part 6

Postby stereo33 » Wed Jan 08, 2003 1:38 pm

Mary

Another great update with some lovely W/T moments. I wonder if Tara will ever want to talk about Donnie? Although I can definitely understand why she wouldn't want to. I loved the fact that Willow wanted Tara to know she could tell her anything no matter how bad (oh and I would love to see Willow in her Intrusive Girl outfit complete with Cape :wink ).



I also liked the Tara/Anya friendship and would have liked to have seen them make a lot more of that on "the show", it sort of made sense to me, both of them being the significant others to the already established members of the scooby gang.



I was also pleased to see Willow give Donnie some grief, although it's still there, that feeling that something kinda bad is going to happen!!! He's obviously hanging around for a reason, he knows Tara's got friends now, even though he finds it surprising! but he's still damn here :smash

Guess I'll have to wait for the next update (which I hope is soon).

Thanks Karen :)

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Re: Part 6

Postby littlecrazy80 » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:22 pm

I´m speechless!

Loved Willow´s thoughts during Donnie´s speech.



*lil´c*



PS: The sig is in german and it means: Among the blind a one-eyed man is king.



Unter den Blinden ist der Einäugige König.

littlecrazy80
 


Response to Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:03 pm

Hey Kittens…Thanks for the incredible feedback, as always. I wanted to make it clear in this update that Donnie’s first plan of action involved underestimating the depth of connection b/w our girls. Wish I could say he gives up easily, but I can’t. (Actually, I could, but I don’t feel ready to wrap up this story just yet!) Lots of people enjoy Tara and Anya’s friendship, both here and in other stories. I always thought that those two made an appealing duo by virtue of the fact that you wouldn’t immediately expect them. But Tara is always willing to look for the best in people (she’s like love that way) and Anya’s so accustomed to all of the mortals except Xander expecting the worst out of her. Hell, even he expects the worst from her at times. Finally, it was fun to write a little twist of Dawn having a crush on Tara. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all, regardless of Dawn’s ultimate orientation; crushes are the essence of adolescence, I think. (I know they were for me…) Willow’s not truly threatened by Dawn, but she still has this rivulet of surprise running through her that Tara’s just ga-ga about her.



OK—on to specific feedback.



>>Rose: Yeah, gotta love protective Willow, don’t you? I know I do! Thanks for writing.



>>doofus68uk: No, indeed, Donnie wasn’t expecting Willow’s reaction. Glad you enjoyed the little pissing contest where Tara is concerned. And she just can’t imagine what all the fuss is about…love her! Thanks for reading and taking the time to write.



>>sheilawt: Ah, yes, Willow in kick-ass mode…truly a thing of beauty, isn’t she? Neither of our girls will let anyone mess w/ the other, that’s for sure. Thanks for the kind words.



>>JewWitch18: So glad to have you back on (key)board! Hope the new year is starting off well for you. Thanks for your amazingly kind words. I have to admit, this last update kinda came pouring outta me and I’m not quite sure why. I definitely have complicated stuff w/ my own family (line forms to the right on that one, I guess) but nothing like this. So I was relieved to read that the emotional expressions worked for you, because that’s what this entire chapter was about in my mind. And thank you for enjoying "titular" as much as I did! Our li’l Buffy…so bright, and yet so dim. I also picked up a little "crush energy" from Dawn toward Tara on the show, and it was fun to write it as a little tweaker. (Not sure what that last word is; just seemed to fit.) Finally, your observation about the lightness/darkness interplay was dead-on. Tara can face any darkness now that she has the light she deserves shining with her and on her. Thanks again for the wonderful response, and welcome back!



>>Nora: Glad to give you a good nightcap of sorts! Donnie is truly a jerk, and he’s given us little reason to feel anything akin to compassion for him. Will it stay that way? Will there be insights and revelations that temper that, even a little? Will Michael Vick be able to pull off his trade-mark running style this week-end? (Sorry—got a little carried away there…) You know, a lot of people like the Scooby interactions in this and other fics, and obviously I have a soft spot for them myself. They’re just such a receptive canvas on which to draw each character and her/his interactions with the others. Thanks for following this and writing such thoughtful observations. I also wanted to say how much I appreciate and agree with your signature by Eco. Goddess, how inevitably true, especially the final element.



>>Erika: Glad Willow’s anger came through, ’cause our Wiccan was truly pissed. Thanks for writing!



>>Stef: Glad you like butch Willow—she’s a joy to write. Thanks!



>>VampNo12: Hey, what’s with the sickness? I hope it’s nothing too severe or enduring. ("Oh no, Mary," Vamp replied, "it’s just severe and enduring enough!") Your feedback is cogent and eloquent as ever, my prudent jurist! You’re absolutely right about Willow’s reassurance to Tara as laying the foundation for whatever Tara chooses to tell her, whenever she chooses to tell her. I’m fortunate in never having been the target of anything terribly heinous or violent, but from far too many conversations w/ people who have, hatred does seem implacable and all-powerful. Love just operates at such a softer volume, I guess. I’m glad you notice the "temperature" difference b/w the Maclay men. We still don’t know why either of them are why they are…but we will. And the group dynamic is just fun to write, because they’re all such characters in and of themselves. I seem to be turning Willow’s translation services for Xander into a recurring theme; mostly because I love playing with words so much. I always thought, from the show, that Dawn had a little extra energy for Tara—whether it was mini-crush, or mother transference, or big-sister-who-had-time-for-her energy, something was there. So I chose to play it in this key. And kick-ass Willow? Oh, yeah, she was hot to write! As you’ve commented before, one of the defining characteristics of our girls’ love is that as hard as it sometimes is for them to stick up for themselves, ain’t nobody messes with their baby! And here Willow goes WWF on Donny. The reclamation of Donnie’s attempted slurs also felt really important because Willow loves Tara so completely. Every part of her past played some role in creating the woman Willow now loves; moreover, she’s so incredibly protective of Tara (and she has her own "geek-infested roots") that that kind of malice doesn’t score any points with her. Thanks as ever, Vamp, for taking the time to write such great and thoughtful feedback; it truly rocks, no matter what your temperature or white cell count is! Hope you feel better soon and that the drugs have pleasant side-effects.



>>Grimlock: Oh, yeah, Willow talks back to Donnie…she’s seen far worse than his type before. It is amazing that Tara survived as well as she did; in my perception, that’s due in large part to her mother’s fierce and unquestionable love. Hopefully she knows now that Willow can hear whatever she has to say; now it’s her choice if, how, and when she talks more about it. I’m sorry to tell you, though, that Donnie isn’t gassing up the camper for the return trip just yet. Hang in there…As for Dawn’s crush on Tara, didn’t you have any crushes on older people as an adolescent? I sure did! I’ve talked to friends who share the experience of thinking at the time that they just really, really admired some particular woman…and now we all look back and say, "Oh my God, I was totally in love!" Willow knows that Dawn isn’t a threat to her actual romantic relationship w/ Tara; she’s just still in that phase where her gut reaction to anyone showing Tara that kind of attention is to assert her primacy. (She’s kind of an alpha dyke that way, I suspect.) Oh—the Key factor…As I note in the intro/disclaimer, I’m playing around w/ some of those canon aspects a bit. (This is different, of course, from playing with cannons, which is never a very good idea.) Thanks for following this story, and taking the time to write such observant feedback.



>>Sonya: You are just too kind, girl! Loved (and was muchly flattered by) your list. And hey--cool exteriors are over-rated!

You make a really interesting observation about the depiction of Willow's ferocity for Tara on the show versus how we seem to perceive it. Yes, Willow is as eager to show the extent of her devotion to Tara as conversely; the only time ME came close to showing that (and admittedly, it was touchingly done) was after Tara had her mind violated by Glory. And as for Donnie's reaction...well, we'll see that shortly. Suffice it to say here that he's not "about to be intimidated by two little [dykes]," at least not yet. Thanks for your very, very kind words and for taking the time to write them!



>>BV: (I love your name.) Yeah, it felt like it was time for a bit of a smack-down, in part to clarify Donnie’s assessment of what he’s up against but primarily for that nice, visceral reaction. It was fun to write that! I hoped I wasn’t being heterophobic by writing the "How could any woman enjoy that?" line; it just reflected somewhat my own experience at learning about male/female sex: "Oh my God, no way!" At the risk of sounding sadistic, I’m glad Tara’s childhood pain felt palpable, b/c that feels like such an important underpinning in understanding her now. (And she’s oh-so-worth understanding, isn’t she?) And the countering, in Willow’s mind, of Donnie’s attempted diminishing of Tara—she just loves Tara so completely, and little-girl Tara grew into this woman that Willow adores. How could she not see her through the lens of unconditional acceptance and affirmation? Thanks for following this story and writing such kind and perceptive comments.



>>funkyasian: Lotsa people lovin’ WWF-Willow right now…Thanks for writing!



>>SySnootles: (What a great name!) Glad you’re enjoying! Thanks for following this story.



>>DMW: You know, Tara and Anya’s friendship was definitely not something that made immediate sense, but I think Anya has always responded to Tara’s essential kindness and the fact that Tara looks for the best in her where so many people look for the worst. You’re absolutely right about Donnie’s heretofore clueless condition. Now he has some idea of Willow’s emotional strength and the strength of her love for and commitment to Tara, but he’s still in the dark about the extent of her power. I wonder how he’ll learn about that? Thanks for reading and writing and, for all I know, the arithmetic.



>>Grimaldi: Donnie wasn’t expecting such a powerful reaction, was he? Big mistake…Thanks for following this story and writing.



>>Karen: Yeah, it is kinda fun to picture Willow in the cape and, especially, the tights, isn’t it? Ah, yes…A lot of people enjoy the friendship b/w Tara and Anya; they complement each other in ways that aren’t immediately apparent, I think. Thanks for the good thoughts!



OK, that’s it for now. Thanks again.



Mary



Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 1/8/03 1:12:30 pm
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Re: Response to Feedback

Postby SilverWingedNemesis » Wed Jan 08, 2003 4:34 pm

OH MY FRIKIN GOD!!



GO WILLOW!!



That was just... AWESOME!! and I LOVED all the little thoughts she had about Tara contrasting everything Donnie was telling her!



*jumps up and down excitedly* WONDERFUL!!!!





Keep up the great work! Can't wait to see what happen next!!



~NICK~



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Re: Response to Feedback

Postby Sister Bertrille » Wed Jan 08, 2003 4:37 pm

I am being a bad girl and fitting this in between work, a reception, and teaching tonight, so the password is short and sneaky…



Donnie appears to have made a serious tactical error. You call it an “underestimation,” and it certainly is, but I think it is something more than that – it is a huge miscalculation. Not only is he not even in the ballpark with his “revelations,” but he is playing a different game altogether, and without a helmet! Way to bring a powerful witch’s simmering fury to a full boil, snake-boy! His own stunted emotions make him incapable of understanding the power of full-on love, and that renders him a less worthy adversary.



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I want him out of my life – not just the present; I want to pretend he never even existed.
It occurs to me that there is a difference you could drive a truck through (and up and over your nasty older brother) between the first and the second parts of this declaration, and that pretending is a hop-skip-and-a-bleeding-ulcer away from fantasy land. And speaking of fantasy land, who else has a small problem with Tara’s mother’s seeming obliviousness? (Oh, man, I am going to pay and pay for writing that!)



Finally, terrific Scooby interaction, as always. You manage to give everyone three-dimensions (even Xander!) in the short space of a couple of pages and a few hundred words. But who’s counting?!



SB

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Parts 1 - 6

Postby JustSkipIt » Wed Jan 08, 2003 5:26 pm

Mary, I just found your wonderful writing. I know it was hiding in plain sight all the time. I read On Second Thought and commented in the completed Fic Archive. Then sought this out.



Simply wonderful writing. I love three things in particular:



1. The infinite love you show between our girls. How each is so aware of how lucky she is to have the other in her life and in her heart. That is amazingly beautiful and wonderful.



2. The way you are using the birthdays to tie in the flashbacks. At the beginning, we have Willow talking about all the birthdays she has missed with Tara and then we see them. We see the love she had from her mother and an increasing level of hatred and abuse from Donnie. Wonderfully tied.



3. Your dialog. It is the best. Not just for Willow and Tara but for everyone. Giles is hysterical and Anya spot-on if not a bit over the top. But wonderful for everyone.



Love it. Debra



:clap :clap :clap

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"War may be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary it is always evil." - President Jimmy Carter after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize

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More feedback; more responses

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Wed Jan 08, 2003 7:55 pm

>>littlecrazy80: Glad you liked Willow getting up in Donnie's face and taking him down several notches. Thanks for writing, and for the translation. (And ain't the just the truth...)



>>Nickole: Yeah, a lot of people had a major whoo-hoo for Willow telling Donnie what she thought of him. It was fun to write, I gotta admit...Thanks for the kind words!



>>SisterBertrille: Work, a reception, and teaching? And in your spare time you...what--urinate? Don't count Donnie out just yet. Yes, he made a huge miscalculation but considering the force of his anger and bitterness, do you really think he'll stop there? So now he knows that the front door doesn't grant him admittance--let's see what we have over here on the side, shall we? Re: Tara's mother's seeming oblivion: the way I picture it, she asks Tara repeatedly, and probably suspects, but what exactly is she going to do in the absence of any kind of corroboration? Tara's way past the age when her mother would be dressing/bathing her or seeing her undressed for any reason if Tara were going to considerable lengths to keep her body covered. It's true that there are lots of instances where a parent who "had no idea" would have, in fact, had to be brain-dead not to know. Here, I think she suspects but at the same time, Tara's so terrified of anyone finding out, and so convinced that Donnie could get her no matter who knew and tried to protect her that she denies it for all she's worth. Why should you "pay" for expressing your opinion? It definitely has merit. I'm just envisioning a slightly different dynamic, with a more desperate-to-hide victim, right now, but I've definitely shared your outrage w/ parents who choose to be clueless in other actual scenarios and stories. I'm glad you call it as you see it! Also glad you like the Scooby interactions. They're just good, wholesome (or not so wholesome) fun to write. Hope that work was workable, the reception receptive, and the teaching instructive. Thanks for the feedback!



>>Debra: Hey, nice to see you here! And I need to pop over to "Season 3" and catch up! Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. It's so easy to go over the top w/ Anya b/c her very essence defies most boundaries. I definitely let her go a little extra distance in this update...Thanks for following this.



Thanks,

Mary

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Re: Part 6

Postby hermitstull » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:58 pm

THAT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME!



Two of my favorite things: Anya and bad ass Willow.



Anya, sarcastic, ready with the Xander put down, praising Willow on her skills, thinking up the worst punishment for Donnie, I love it. All her little moments in this update were great.



And Willow. Holy cow, you go. No one puts Tara in a corner if Willow is around. I'd like to see how Willow would mess Donnie up. A lot. And the magic. Just that little hint of how much power she could have, of how far she'd go for Tara. Excellent.



But the highlight for me, Dawn's thoughts-



"You gotta figure it?s pretty skanky," Dawn replied, almost to herself.






I can't wait for the next update. This story is so rich and interesting, I'm always looking for that next update first thing on the board.



thanks-

hermitstull

"I was feared and worshiped across the mortal globe. At now I'm stuck at Sunnydale High. Mortal. Child. And I'm failing Math." Anya in Dopplegangland

Edited by: hermitstull at: 1/8/03 9:10:44 pm
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Re: Part 5/6

Postby Vampivy » Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:04 am

"Tara…Where you at? You know I’m gonna find you, Tara. Ain’t no use tryin’ to hide. Big brother always gets you sooner or later."



Don’t breathe so hard. Quiet, just be quiet. He’s bluffing.



"I think I’m gettin’ closer, little sister."



Keep walking. Please keep walking.



"Let’s see now…Maybe you’re tucked in here behind these hay bales. Am I right, little sister?"



He thinks I told Mom. He’s going to kill me.



"I thought so."



That methodical psycho fuck!:rage I couldn’t put it any nicer. Sorry.

Palpable updates Mary. I’m so incredibly grateful for the touches of humor you’ve added to your story. With it, it makes your story feel balanced for me.



It felt amazing to read Tara standing up to Donnie.

“He took a step forward. Tara willed herself to hold her ground."

It’s really great to get a glimpse of Tara’s internal monologue during her confrontation with Donnie. As well with Willow.



I should really try to leave feedback sooner, that way I can avoid repeating what others have already said so eloquently. So ditto on others feedback:clap .



In the end I can’t leave without sayin’ how much pleasure (not like that:spin ) I got from Willow and Donnie’s confrontation. It felt like a very well choreographed dance with Willow giving Donnie a very well deserved swift kick in the sack. (Graphic Much?:sigh ) I assume he’ll get worse though.



True evil so rarely gets what they deserve. Has been my experience, unfortunately. Sadder is the fact that there’s always new evil lurking about, just waiting for the right opportunity to strike.:(



Anyway Mary, very well done:clap and I continue to look forward to more:D . No doubt you will leave me with much to ponder:hmm .



Patty

(Sorry for such dark feedback. One of those days I guess):

Vampivy
 


Re: Part 5/6

Postby Twisted Minstrel » Thu Jan 09, 2003 3:14 am

Is it just me...or is ths a wild feedback thread? :grin There are five things that I can think of that truly distinguish this fic:



1. Structure.

2. Tension

3. Clarity

4. Characterization



I'll get to the fifth in a moment.



Sharp, focused, direct and seamless; I could go on about Donnie, but I like him here - that is, I like disliking him; he's a marvelous villain; I love reading the other posts - everyone wants a piece of this boy. He's simply in over his head, we know that, but I think a lot of us know Donnie in many other ways; he personifies so many negative attitudes in our culture, he's almost iconic.



It's a great question: How does someone become bad or corrupt? With Willow, there was an intriguing concept: from the beginning, she was innocent and kind, but increasingly self-involved, and a perpetual (if completely adorable) worrywart. She seemed to loosen up in college, and even more so after meeting Tara; she was finding herself and what she wanted to be.



Littlle by little, though, her character was broken down - first of all, by meeting Buffy herself; next, by restoring Angel's soul - her first real connection to a power beyond herself (and the first real hint of her inner arrogance), her connection with Tara, and then Glory, her consumption of evil to battle evil, restoring Tara, and, later, Buffy.



Willow was being deconstructed before our eyes, with the likely outcome that she would be the next Big Bad. It was a shallow promise since ME pussyfooted with the whole thing and couldn't make it work. Their imaginations failed them - they thought the only way to accomlish this end was to make Willow a magic "junkie" by way of explaining her behavior (which needed no explanation), making her forgivable, yet still offering up the one sacrifice they could, to open the black wound and send Willow spiralling.



Wouldn't it have been more interesting if Willow had been simply allowed to follow her power trip wherever it led her, only to be brought down (and later restored) by Tara? There's symmetry in that idea, one that works. Symmetry is what makes the difference. BTVS had it once, and lost it from trying too hard and ultimately giving in to their own arrogance. These guys simply can't write anymore, and you're wondering - what does this have to do with your story?



5. Potential. BTVS had the most amazing potential. A grand, complex, involved and diabolical storyline could have been presented - and wasn't. They couldn't do it. You have. This is it. This is the story that should have been. This is the progression that should have happened; I like my Willow a little threatening and protective; she is a tad dangerous under the skin and that shouldn't be taken away from her.



Tara, as well, is more complex here, fully realized as a character, complete with dark thoughts and sly humor. Wishing her brother never existed is extreme and understandable. We can finally understand Tara in a way that doesn't invoke her simple sweetness or that lovely crooked smile - but involves all of her, and let's her have some of her own back.



And you make it look easy, too. Simplicity maybe the sixth element to your writing, and that is not easy to achieve.



Well...I just went off on the longest tangent in my life and I think I'll go to bed now.



Hope something made sense. If not, here's the short form:



Me like. Muchly. :clap



Thanks again and sorry for rambling,

Piper

"Give me a lever long enough, and a prop strong enough, and I can singlehandedly move the world."

- Archimedes

Edited by: Twisted Minstrel  at: 1/9/03 1:25:22 am
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Re: Response to Feedback

Postby barnabasvamp » Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:36 am

BV: (I love your name.) Thanks Mary, but most people don't have any idea who Barnabas the vampire was except for a few*cough "old folks"cough*of us! It was sooo camp, had to love it.



I hoped I wasn’t being heterophobic Heterophobic? on Pens? I don't think so sweetie, especially considering it's :willow &:tara !



And Tara, definitely oh-so-worth understanding :grin

"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

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Re: Response to Feedback

Postby luciddream » Thu Jan 09, 2003 6:43 pm

Hey Antigone,

I was taking a break from writing and decided to do some reading. Glad I did! Your story is wonderfully paced and the characterization is great. I can easily picture the characters doing and saying these things. Looks like I have to find your first fic to read too!



You do capture the love and devotion of Willow and Tara very well. What the series eluded to you bring to the forefront.



As a sucker for any good romance, I am thoroughly enjoying your fic! T

hanks for sharing it with us!

Lucid

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Re: Response to Feedback

Postby BethanyB3 » Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:41 pm

Wanted to tell you how much I am enjoying this story. I like that you showed Willow stand up to Donnie without resorting to magick. Also particularly loved this line:

Quote:
"I love you, Willow Rosenberg, in case you aren’t aware of that fact. I love you in languages that haven’t been written yet."


That has to be one of the most romantic lines I've yet to read.

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"Love cures people, the ones that receive love and the ones who give it too." ~ Karl A. Menninger

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Re: Response to Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:09 am

Hey Kittens: One last batch o' feedback comin' outta the oven, and then I'm posting Part 7 immediately thereafter. Thanks, Mary.



>>hermitstull: Bad-ass Willow evokes a lot from most of us, doesn't she? Oh, yeah...Nice pick-up on the "hint of Willow's magic" aspect. I sorta saw that as a little glimmer of the future. Thanks for reading and taking the time to write.



>>Patty: I loved your phrase: "that methodical psycho fuck!" Yeah, that sums him up pretty well...You make a very good (albeit sad) point about evil and its implacability. Smite one villain, and another pops up to take its place...How true. Please don't apologize for your "dark feedback." It's where you were at--why should you have to pretend otherwise? Thanks for the good thoughts.



>>Piper: Holy eloquent insight, Bat-Man! Your feedback is just amazing, Piper. As I read your thoughts about Willow's development, and the unforgivable sell-out that ME pulled, I found myself nodding so hard that I think I pulled a muscle. Yes, it would have been so symmetrical (I love your description of that aspect) to let Willow careen down that path in her own way, with Tara representing both her downfall and her ultimate redemption. But magic-as-drug? And Willow forced into the role of Big Bad by way of a very contrived (and utterly unnecessary) plot device? What a sham. I've always found Willow to be the most compelling, intricate character on the show, even before she realized she was gay. Your description captures her development better than anything I've read before. There have been all those moments, so subtle but so powerful in nudging her along her path, until she comes to the point where she's called upon to exercise humility--not the externally-dictated humility of the continually-disempowered, but a humility that she chooses, knowing that she could choose otherwise and actually succeed. Agh...They could have done so much with it all!

And how do people become evil, or corrupt? Well, I actually know that, but I'm not supposed to tell. (OK, not really.) I'd love to read more of your thoughts on that subject as this story goes along. You're absolutely right about Donnie-as-icon. I think we do all know someone like him, in whatever attire and voice he's presented to us.

Finally, I share your preference for the slightly-edgy Willow, and again, that has to do w/ watching her make choices now that she has choices. What does she fight for? When does she summon powers that may not be entirely hers? What's her own definition of good and bad?

In sum, Piper, me like your thoughts, muchly. Thanks so much for following this story and taking the time to write such incredible ideas. I also appreciate the kind and supportive comments. You rock.



>>BV: Oh yeah, I can remember "Dark Shadows," though not terribly well. But I definitely remember the incredible atmosphere of the show. Yikes--talk about angst! Hope you like the update.



>>Lucid: Hey--thanks for taking the time away from "Picks" to check this out and add to the thread. You and I may be similar in feeling like any story is only as good as its characters. (Which is why I don't exactly check out action drama movies so much.) I'll bet you love the "Indiana Jones" series. Thanks for writing!



>>Bethany: Glad you're liking the story. Hope you enjoy the next installment. Thanks for checking it out and sending good thoughts.



Mary

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Part 7

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:38 am

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers: I own nothing. Just ask my bank.
Spoilers: Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain Big Bad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.
Rating: R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.
Distribution: Sure, with acknowledgement.
Feedback: Even more sure! Bring it on!



Comment:
Clearly, the villain of this piece is Donnie, who happens to have a rural, working class background. The voice I give him here reflects both what I could discern in the episode "Family" as well as my own familiarity with such a background. I hope that it’s clear, however, that his malevolence isn’t a function of that background. As I commented to VampNo12 earlier, Donnie is a villain who happens not to conjugate his verbs correctly. If Tara came from what appeared to be a very wealthy family, I’d write Donnie in that particular vein. It felt important to emphasize this because I don’t want anyone to assume that I hold rural, working-class individuals in low regard. It’s actually my own background and I’m fiercely protective of it. I figure the Pens crowd is too smart to make any such inferences, but I wanted to play it safe. Thanks for hearing (reading) me out!


Thoughts are in italics—kinda like this, which I’m thinking as I write.


*****
Part 7

*****

Fuck her.

Fuck. Her.

That bitch, talking to him like that, walking away from him like he didn’t even count; like he wasn’t worth the time of day. He didn’t really think she’d just dump Tara on the spot, but he figured it would at least make her look at her different, maybe get an idea of just how pathetic Tara had been. But she didn’t even bat an eye.

And the things she’d said to him, calling him a loser and letting on like he wouldn’t understand half of what she said. He understood, all right. He understood that she was practically laughing at him. He understood that she didn’t think he was much of a threat.

Turning over in bed, staring sleeplessly out the hotel window, he replayed the whole scene in his head, over and over, like a movie he couldn’t stop watching even though he knew how it ended.

But this one hadn’t ended, dammit. If they thought that was all he’d brought with him, they were dead wrong. That was just supposed to fuck with Tara’s mind a little bit, and Willow’s, too. And maybe it hadn’t worked like he’d wanted it to, but he sure as hell wasn’t heading back to Cold Springs just yet. He’d been waiting for a chance like this his whole life, it seemed, and oneangry little dyke wasn’t about to run him off. He wasn’t like his daddy, whipped and dragging his ass back home. He had a lot more in his arsenal than one weapon, and he wouldn’t really mind having to use all of them.

He allowed himself a small grin. At least he’d been right thinking Tara was a lezzie. Boy, the way that red-head had gone ballistic on him; the look she’d given him after his crack about her doing his sister—that was worth something…Looked like she wanted to scratch his eyes out, she did.

He turned onto his back and stared at the ceiling, watching snippets of another, older movie play out there. He’d always kind of wondered about Tara, even before those kids found that note. She never took notice of any boys, never talked about dating or anything like that…’Course, she hadn’t said that much of anything when she was younger. Hell, the only time she didn’t stutter too bad was when Mama was around, and even then sometimes she couldn’t help it. But then those kids had found her pushing that note into Jo’s locker, and pulled it away from her, and read it out loud…He smiled at that particular memory—the way Tara came home all puffy-eyed and went straight to her room; the way Jo stopped hanging around with her, wouldn’t call her back; the way Tara just slumped over even more after that. The way he figured it, Jo had been a little bit queer, too. For all he knew, they’d had something going on, or maybe starting…But not after that.

He wondered if Tara had told their mom…They were always so close, those two. And Mama was just soft enough to put up with it. Had she known? Hell, Mama would probably have told Tara that it was all right, that she could be whoever she wanted to be. He couldn’t believe his daddy had married such a woman, and stayed with her.

Was it worth it, Daddy? Was it worth everything you lost, everything you gave up to be with that witch who never loved you anyway?

He turned back onto his side, looking at the blank wall this time. No way was this over just yet. Lots of ways to skin a cat, and if he had to find new ways to do it, well, that was all right with him.

*****

By the time she reached Xander’s apartment, the mochas were cold. Willow herself, however, was steamed enough to power a small tug-boat. That fucking malicious prick. How dare he talk about Tara that way?

She practically pulled Tara bodily out of the apartment, offering the hastiest of good-byes to Xander and Anya.

"Don’t you want to kiss Tara hello?" asked Anya hopefully, as Willow pointedly handed Tara her coat.

"Don’t worry, I’ll take notes," Tara assured her as they headed out the door. Once in the hallway, she turned to Willow.

"Honey, what’s up? I know you can only take so much Anya in any one day, but—"

"I ran into Donnie at the Espresso Pump," Willow said simply, taking Tara’s hands in her own.

"What? Did he—goddess, Willow, did he threaten you, or try to do anything?"

"The entire scene can be summed up like this: Your brother is an asshole beyond all known exemplars. But no, he didn’t try anything physical."

Willow could feel the fear coming off of Tara like waves. She kissed her quickly, and looked into her eyes. "C’mon, Baby, let’s get home. I’ll explain on the way."

On the short trip back to their room, Willow could almost see Tara growing smaller and smaller. When she got to Donnie's malicious jibes against Tara, she thought about omitting them, knowing how much it would hurt her.
Does she really need to hear the whole ugly story? Would it really hurt to leave that part out? She was silent for a moment, considering the possibility.

"Willow?"

"Yeah, Baby?" She fumbled for her door key.

"What else?"

Willow struggled to reply. "What do you mean?"

"What else happened? I can tell there’s something you’re leaving out."

Willow sighed. "Remind me not to play poker with you…OK, I’ll finish the story, just as soon as we get inside."

Once in the warmth and safety of their home, Willow thought that Tara would relax, at least a little bit, but it was clear that her dread eclipsed any other reaction. She thought about making some tea, but realized that she would be doing it more to soothe herself, give herself something to do, than to actually serve a useful purpose.

She took Tara’s hand and led her into the bedroom where they curled up on top of the covers. There, she told Tara what Donnie had said. As she spoke, she watched tears gather in Tara’s eyes and then tumble unchecked over her cheeks. Willow reached out and softly stroked them away, wishing desperately for the words that would heal the jagged slice that she could see making its way through Tara’s heart.

"Tara, Baby, you have to know that what he said didn’t mean anything to me. You know that, right?" She couldn’t keep the urgency out of her voice.

After a moment, Tara replied almost inaudibly, "Maybe. But they mean something to me."

"Tara, Sweetie, please look at me. Please don’t turn those gorgeous eyes away from me. I can’t stand it when you’re sad."

Tara struggled to meet Willow’s gaze. Why? Why do all the good things have to get dirty and stained? "Willow, I just want to forget all of that. Y-you know that growing up w-was a rough time for me. I told you I w-wasn’t exactly popular."

Willow ached at the sound of Tara’s small voice, at her stutter. "Tara, it’s not like he told me you were an ax-murderer, or sold crack to kindergarten kids, or cheated on a math quiz…It was nothing horrible."

Tara shifted awkwardly, sitting up a little and looking at Willow as if she were missing the point. "What’s not horrible about who I was? About how pathetic and lonely I was? What exactly was the Kodak moment in all of that?"

Willow sat up herself, squeezing Tara’s shoulders. "You tell me what is horrible about who you were. Not how it made you feel, but who you were. Tara, Baby, have you forgotten who you’re talking to here? The only real friend I had wore his underwear on his head, for God’s sake. And as for being trendy, well, I wore clothes that would blind you if you looked at them without protective lenses."

She was rewarded by the slightest of smiles, and played her ace. "Tara, if you’re saying that your past makes you too pathetic to be loved, then you’re saying the same thing about me. And frankly, I resent it."

Tara’s mouth twisted with anguish, her eyes darkening. "Willow, you know that’s not true. You know how much I love you, and respect you—"

"And want me? Do you find me sexy, and desirable? Or am I some wounded creature you took pity on?"

"How can you even ask that? God, I want you so much it almost embarrasses me sometimes. I mean, I feel like a big pervert around you half the time."

"Well, the goal is to make that all of the time, with the understanding that pervert, as we define it, is a wonderful, wonderful thing. The point is, knowing my history doesn’t make you want me any less, right?’

"Of course not." Tara was silent for a moment, and Willow fought the urge to send more words up to the front line to do battle with Tara’s pain. Instead, she talked with her hands, stroking Tara’s cheek and hair.

When Tara finally spoke, her voice was soft. "You’re right. I mean, I’d smack anyone who tried to insult you, or make fun of you. It’s just that…"She trailed off helplessly.

"Just what, Baby?"

"It’s just that those demons die so hard, and so slowly. Why can’t we just throw some holy water on them and watch them go ‘poof’?" She leaned over and let herself sink into Willow’s arms.

"I dunno, Tara. I think those demons call for some more sophisticated, subtle maneuvers…But I’ll tell you one thing: There is no way that Donnie is going to steal any of my Baby’s shine. Don’t let him take your good stuff away, Tara. You’ve worked so hard for it; you’ve earned it. You walked this steep, rocky path and everything you went through was part of making you who you are—who, by the way, I love more than I thought was humanly possible."

She felt Tara smiling against her chest. "We both had tough rows to hoe."

Willow paused, wondering how prostitutes had entered the conversation.

"Who’s a ho’? And where does the rose come into it?"

Tara sat up and smiled at her indulgently. "It’s a farm term, Sweetie. Rows, as in field rows; and hoe, as in the implement."

Willow felt herself blush. "Oh, of course. Just makin’ a funny, you know, in my own little suburban way…"

Tara sank back into Willow’s arms, where they rested in silence for a few moments. Willow debated with herself for a moment, and then ventured a question.

"Tara…Why didn’t you tell me about the note?" She felt Tara stiffen slightly, and wondered if she had blundered heedlessly into something too personal, too raw.

"Well, I told you that I had a huge crush on my best friend in high school. I guess I didn’t go into details because it…the details didn’t seem that important." She pressed her head more snugly into Willow’s breasts.

"And because it hurts too much to talk about it?"

"Well, yes, Dr. Freud, there is that, I guess."

"Sweetie, it just sounds so painful. I mean, you couldn’t pay me enough to go back to high school. Knowing you liked girls—that must have made it even harder." She thought about her own freshman year, and wasn’t sure which was worse: being ignored, or being taunted.

Tara draped her arm more securely over Willow, as if trying to anchor herself in the present. "It was the third worst moment of my life."

"What was second?" Willow queried, knowing that the first had to have been the death of Tara’s mother.

"The night you told me you were giving Oz another chance."

"Oh yeah…That pretty much redefined ‘sucks’ in my book," Willow said ruefully. "Tara, you don’t have to tell me any more about it if you don’t want to."

"Actually, there isn’t that much more to tell…Jo and I were best friends; we did everything together. And after awhile, I found that I wanted us to Do Everything together: capital D, capital E. I dreamt about her, I couldn’t concentrate in class. I was a total neurotic freak."

"And did she crush in return?"

"I think so; at least at first. We’d sit as close to each other as we could at lunch-time, and she was always inviting me to stay over at her house."

"Did she ever stay at yours?" Again, she felt Tara’s body tighten, almost imperceptibly.

"I didn’t really ask. Dad wasn’t too keen on outsiders, and I wasn’t too keen on having anybody—especially somebody I was crushing on—get to know my household up close and personal. Anyway," she continued, shifting the subject, "we spent every spare second together. We’d make up these wild stories about leaving Cold Springs and getting an apartment together—all sorts of crazy stuff that of course pales besides the crazy stuff that I actually live through now." She laughed, shaking her head slightly.

"And did any of these stories ever involve dating? Getting married, and not to each other?"

"Curiously enough, they didn’t. No, boys never really made it onscreen in our little dramas. It was always just the two of us, braving the wild world beyond our one-horse town."

"I think it’s safe to say Miss Jo had a little thing for Miss Tara," Willow pronounced with an emphatic nod. "Did anything ever happen?"

"No." Tara’s voice grew quiet once more, and Willow strained to hear her clearly. "I got up the nerve to write her a note…That was nothing new, we were always writing notes back and forth; but this was a different kind of note. It was about as close to saying ‘I love you’ as you can get without actually saying it."

Willow wanted desperately to look Tara in the eyes as she recounted the tale, but was afraid of shifting at all, lest Tara stop talking. She settled for kissing her forehead and rubbing her cheek along her hairline.

"I basically told her that I liked her more than I had ever liked anybody, and that I wanted us to be together as much as we could, for as long as we could. God, I agonized over that note…It was only five sentences, but you’d have thought I was writing ‘War and Peace,’ the way I deliberated over every word. I went through at least ten sheets of paper before I got it the way I wanted it. And I knew it was a love letter, even if I didn’t tell myself that. But I knew enough to burn the false-starts, and to try to sneak it into her locker when nobody was looking."

"Why didn’t you just give it to her?"

"Oh, didn’t I wish I’d done that later…But I was afraid, because I knew it was a different letter than I’d ever given her. I was afraid of seeing her face, afraid of her looking disgusted or freaked out."

"Even though you’re pretty sure she had feelings for you, too?"

"Feelings are one thing, Will. Fessing up, when you’re fourteen? And in a place like that? Trust me—Sunnydale may be the Hellmouth, but Cold Springs is Central Station on the homophobia subway system." She trailed off; Willow could feel her reliving that day. Again, she fought the urge to speak.

After a moment, Tara resumed the narrative. Willow listened with a growing ache, knowing how it ended.

"I thought I was in the clear, but there was a group of girls that had just left and one of them had forgotten her notebook. Jo’s locker was near the end of the hall; when they turned the corner, they were practically standing on me. I must have looked like a deer in the headlights…Cathy grabbed the note right out of my hand—I mean, I was pretty much a social outcast, so they must have guessed it was a slaughter in the making. They read it out loud. And then they shared it with pretty much everybody." She sighed deeply.

"Oh God, Baby…I’m so sorry. Why are people so mean? How could anybody want to hurt you?"

"They didn’t really have any idea who I was, Will. I was just some shy, dorky kid who read all the time and had all of one friend. And after that, I didn’t even have her."

"She split, huh?"

"If you take the average time needed to split and cut that in half, you’ve got it. She wouldn’t talk to me, wouldn’t take my phone calls, wouldn’t even look at me in school. Oh, and she started wearing enough make-up to make Tammy Faye Baker look like an Amish grandmother. She went from tomboy to ultra-femme in about one day."

"Did you two ever talk after that?"

"Nope. I tried, one last time, on graduation day. I think ours was a couple of weeks after yours; I remember hearing about the explosion down there in the big city…Anyway, I went up to her and I think all I managed to get out of my mouth was ‘Jo, listen’ and she just blinked, turned around, and walked off. I think it was the blink that got me, and don’t even ask me to explain that."

"Actually, I sorta get it." Willow contented herself for the moment with stroking Tara’s back and kissing her cheek and forehead.

Tara sighed. "And that, my love, is the story of my first crush, and the incredible crash and burn that became of it."

After a brief pause, Willow asked, "You know what I think?"

"That Jodi Foster needs to come out and be done with it?"

"Well, yes. And I also think that you were surrounded by far too many poopy-heads in your childhood and adolescence."

"‘Poopy-heads’? Is that a clinical term, Dr. Freud?"

"Oh yes. I reserve it for the most challenging of cases. Anyway, I think that the number of poopy-heads in your life to date has been disproportionately large, relative to the average American female of your age."

"So what do we do about this? Is there some kind of poopy-head-quarters where I register a complaint?"

"No, we simply make sure that for the next twenty years you have disproportionately fewer poopy-heads in your life."

Tara laughed, a slow, rolling laugh that seemed to come from deep inside of her. "And how exactly do we do that?"

Willow thought for a moment. "I hereby submit myself for consideration of Poopy-head Detection Duty, or Ph.D…D." Tara sat up and looked at her, eyes arching. "That’s right—I’ll make sure that no poopy-heads make it within a one-mile radius of your personal space. How about that?"

"Where do I sign?’

"It’s actually not so much a signature thing as a kissing thing. You need to kiss me, big and hard, right on the lips. And use your tongue if you really mean it."

Tara laughed again, and leaned over Willow, her hair tumbling about both their faces like a curtain. She kissed Willow to convey her agreement, and apparently she meant it quite a lot.

*****


To be continued



Hey Tulipp:
If I may be so demanding, could I ask for your thoughts about the fact that I used Tara’s POV only once? Was it distracting, given its sole appearance? Any perspective thoughts from your, well, perspective would be muchly appreciated. Thanks, Mary.


Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 1/9/03 10:44:37 pm
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Re: Part 7

Postby The Rose24 » Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:02 am

Ugh. Once again, I say this is a very rough read. I was a nerd in high school, and I was teased and taunted all of the time. I know exactly how Tara feels. I am glad she has Willow to help her through these things. :heart

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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Re: Part 7

Postby deixs » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:03 am

Great update!



I feel so sorry for Tara, especially teenager Tara...



Stef :P

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Re: Part 7

Postby Penrose Orleans » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:05 am

Ooooooh, excitement... I'm so glad that telling Tara's out of the way (despite how well it was written, not a smooth ride, this part :) ). Tara's high school sounds jsut like mine was, though it was small enough that everyone socialized (the homophobia was relentless)-- I'm glad she got out of there, especially to find Willow!



I liked the integration of Anya in a bit role in the part-- even though the section pretty much had to be W/T centric, this inclusion made it part of the Buffy-verse, somehow making it more real (does that make any sense? It does in my head).



What else... Willow's reaction was especially believable- she wants things to be better so badly, but doesn't know how to make it happen... the tea and the omission of painful things Donnie said show her devotion to Tara and her desire for Tara to be happy. And she's right-- never play poker with someone who knows if you've switched bodies with someone she hasn't met! Anyway, great update, and awaiting further story-- Nora

"Fear prophets...and those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them." -Umberto Eco

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Re: Part 7

Postby Sela » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:35 am

I really do live for these Willow/Tara moments. So sweet. But before I get into the saccharine goodness that is W/T, I should address the horror that is Donnie. He's definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he does have years of pent-up anger on his side. I see him as this great big John Deere tractor that just keeps on rollin' because he's so plumb bored with his life, tired of his non-direction, and frustrated with his own inabilities that he just plows down every little thing in sight. Willow bested him and that does not sit well with Mr. Misogynist of America, so he's trying to formulate a plan to bring 'em all down. I think what's important about Donnie is that he represents ignorance. While it may be unpleasant to see that or read about it, it's necessary because we need to be aware that it exists. Moreover, we need to know how what he represents is absolutely preposterous. The more you write him, the more it becomes clear that Donnie is a weak, insecure little prick with a God-complex (gee, does that sound like anyone we know?)



I really enjoyed the way Tara's opening up to Willow. She's not ready for full disclosure just yet, but as I've said before, the set-up is magnificent. You know, as I watched the show, I had a hard time envisioning Tara being in another relationship before Willow. She just seemed too insecure to have even put herself out there. But the way you've written that period of her life completely makes sense. She was wounded and that's why Tara was so shy. Being rejected isn't easy and it can easily make a person retreat into themselves. I get Tara a little more thanks to you and I even love her more.



Earlier today I was thinking about what each woman brought into the relationship. There are some people who may think that Willow was the only one who made a significant impact on her partner, not the other way around, but I beg to differ. Yes, Tara came into herself when she met and fell in love with Willow; she became more confident. But Willow changed as well. She not only became more confident, she became more settled. She'd been searching all her life for that one person or that one thing that would make her complete and finally it came to her in the form of this beautiful, caring, loving woman. I saw the change in Willow and in your story, you highlight that change so much better than the writers at that production company that shall not be named ever did. Thanks for that.



I can't wait for the next part. It's all quite lovely.



--Sela

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Re: Part 7

Postby VampNo12 » Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:42 am

Mary, another thought provoking, insightful update! You capture the "ugliness" of Donnie so well. I can see him being all "puffed up" at the beginning of his confrontation with Willow, and now back at his hotel he is stewing over a "girl" (a "lezzie" no less) easily dismissing him like he was a "no body". Not only does he need to feel like he has all the power, but I get the sense he also needs his feelings to be validated (ie that he has every right to be bitter/angry). With this in mind, the fact that his demeaning words about Tara's childhood (ie his belief that Tara deserved every bit of the ugliness), and Willow didn't even "bat an eye", must of really got his "goat". And with Donnie not using common sense (ie know when to accept defeat and go back home), I so dread what's to come (his "Lots of ways to skin a cat" thought).



What particularly resonated with me was Tara saying, ("It's just that demons die so hard, and so slowly. Why can't we just throw some holy water on them and watch them go 'poof'?"). Really this spoke to me, how inner-demons aren't as easily vanquished as we like to believe. Or in other words, we think we have them good and buried, but sometimes when we least expect it a person or situation can bring them back to the surface. Therefore, Tara doesn't want the "darkness" of the past (in the shape of Donny and all that entails) to come back to "taint" the "light" they have created in the present.



What also spoke to me was Willow saying, ("There is no way that Donnie is going to steal any of my Baby's shine. Don't let him take away your good stuff Tara. You've worked so hard for it; you earned it. You walked this steep, rocky path and everything you went through was part of making you who you are-who, by the way, I love more than I thought was humanly possible."). Really such a profound statement, and words such as these just convey so well how innately they are connected (ie Willow sensing Tara feeling "small", and knowing the way to reassure her girl).



Just like Willow, my heart "ached" for Tara as she shared the past about the note, and her crush Jo. You made her feelings of hurt, sense of being alone (an "outcast") so palpable here, between how the other girls discovered the note, to Jo's brush off, which was made twice as painful with Tara knowing deep down the feelings weren't one sided (ie Jo caving to peer pressure, as well as her own insecurities by how far she distanced herself from Tara, not wanting to be labeled/associated with being a "dyke" like Tara). And my the image of Jo "wearing enough make-up to make Tammy Faye Baker look like an Amish grandmother" sums up perfectly the lengths she was willing to go :lol .



Lastly, I just liked the added touches with Tara "draping her arm more securely over Willow as an anchor to the present", as well as all the comforting caresses/stroking (each making sure to offer and seek comfort, making a tangible connection). Also enjoyed Willow misunderstanding Tara's "hoe" comment, as well as their "Poopy-head" discussion, especially Tara's response (ie "She kissed Willow to convey her agreement, and apparently she meant it quite a lot ;) ). And I think Willow saying, ("That's right-I'll make sure that no poopy-heads make it within a one-mile radius of your personal space.") speaks volumes to Willow's fervent need to protect Tara (ie Donnie better watch his back with any further action taken in regards to Tara). Can't wait for the next part!



Oh and thanks for the "get well wishes". It's nothing serious just the stomach flu with at the worst a 102 degree temperature. But rest, great fic to read, as well as the "drugs" (yes pleasant side effects indeed :) ) makes all things better.



Edited by: VampNo12  at: 1/10/03 2:44:05 am
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Re: Part 7

Postby barnabasvamp » Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:00 am

I don't think anyone ever really liked Donnie, and you do make it so easy to hate him. But then your exploration of his thoughts almost has us understand why he could be this way. His questions about why his father stayed with their Mom, his resentment of Tara for her relationship with her, and his own inadequacies. Still don't like Donnie, but I enjoyed these reflections. :p



"Tara, it’s not like he told me you were an ax-murderer, or sold crack to kindergarten kids, or cheated on a math quiz…It was nothing horrible." :lol So typical of Willow, include cheating in with being an ax-murder!



That Jodi Foster needs to come out and be done with it?" :clap Great line.



Willow could almost see Tara growing smaller and smaller. Such an awesome description of Willow's observation about how Tara was dealing with what Donnie had to say. Considering what we think we know about Tara, this is exactly how I would see her reacting. The anger works for Willow, but Tara takes it personally, and who wouldn't??



I'm feeling some major angst coming soon.

BV







"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

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Re: Part 7

Postby samiamiguess » Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:59 am

A PhD in Poopy-head detection? That might actually be a useful qualification. More so than mine in the great scheme of actually being worthwhile and an actual benefit to society :lol



Here I particularly enjoyed how Willow made Tara see that knowing her past doesn't diminish her feelings for her. In fact I would say that knowing each others past is one of the main reasons they love each other. Not because they feel sorry for the other but beacuse they see the strength of character each has and the loving person they are despite their backgrounds. As Willow said in 'Family' it makes her love her more. And of course making Tara admit she feels kindofa perve half the time just cracked me up :lol . So being a pervert is a wonderful wonderful thing then. Ok I'll go with that. Yes indeed works for me, I just may now have to work on exploring this wonderful nature. Could be tough.



What intrigued me most in the update though was Donnie's feelings towards their mother. In most stories I have read Donnie has resented the relationship between Tara and her mother but from my perspective was jealous of the love and affection she bestowed on someone as worthless as Tara. Here you have him hating his mother so much more. I don't disagree with it. From how I've read it he seems to resent the relationship his father had with his mother and the consequences of what he feels was something of a weak act. This I find intriguing and also somewhat scarier. Before, to me, he was always just a jealous cowardly older brother that hid behind his father. Here however he is filled with a lot more hate and a lot less reason to accept any of the women in his life. Rather chilling really.



Wonderful interplay between Tara and Willow. Even Willow knows when to be quiet when the time requires. :D



Onwards with some trepidation,

Sonya

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