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Re: Part 7

Postby JustSkipIt » Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:32 am

Mary, gotta leave in 90 seconds.



But beautiful part. Beautiful for being both sad and happy at the same time. The pain of Tara's life is so present and so pervasive. But Willow loves her so much and is just comfort comfort comfort. I love that. How much she comforts her. Very beautiful.



And speaking for the small town folks and southern hicks, not offended by Donnie at all. He happens to be a hick and happens to be a sadistic sicko but that doesn't really mean that it's causal. Kind of a silogism (sp I'm sure). Gotta go. Great update. Debra

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"War may be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary it is always evil." - President Jimmy Carter after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Mix » Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:52 am

The good thing about being internet free for 2 weeks means that you have plenty to read when you get back. The bad thing is you feel like you have to write lots of feedback as compensation. *Sigh*



I absolutely love the contrast you have running through this story. You have the harsh and dark world of Donnie's mind where he is filled with so much hatred,(that personaly I don't really understand. Is it purely Tara being Tara that he hates so much?) I'm afraid to say that I find it quite scary just how accurately you seem able to write his character :wink



This darkness is then contrasted by the light of Willow and Tara, their love and devotion really shines through in your words. Willow wants to protect Tara from the things that she wasn't protected from when she was younger, It's almost as though she's trying to make up for lost time and will do anything to prove to Tara that she is worthy of being loved. Tara just wants to love and be loved by Willow, even if she doesn't feel that she deserves it.



There is so much more that could be written about this fantastic story but I don't think I have the words.



Great Work Mary



Mix

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Proud member of the Nancy Tribe!

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Re: Part 7

Postby Tulipp » Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:07 am

Hey, Mary! I am a chapter behind, so let me first respond to part 6. One thing I see you doing often--and this is something I love, love, love about good fanfic--is taking concepts from later seasons, concepts that kind of define a season, and reinventing them to be character-building and plot-essential.



In this case, I'm thinking of Willow taping the fire/death pages of Bambi shut so she could skip that part without having to turn pages. "Skipping it" is so precisely what season 6 was about in some ways...not only the Skipping It of Willow and Tara's reunion, but the Skipping It of brushing over massive changes in character development and asking the viewers to just play along. And now, how many of us have essentially taped shut the pages of BTVS in the middle of "Seeing Red" and after? I, at least, have taped shut the rest of the book.



But here, you import that whole idea of skipping it, which has so much potential, and you let it be an essential part of Willow's character. She is someone who would like to skip it; of course that is true. We saw that when she tried to do the spell when Oz first started messing around with Veruca, and of course skipping it is what the forget spell was all about. So here, we get to see this essential part of Willow's character unfold within the safety of your story. And the thing is, I do feel safe in this story, and I feel that--whatever Donnie has in mind, and whatever harsh realities it is his job to show us--Willow and Tara are safe, too. Safe even when hatred waits for the guard to leave. Safe because good fanfic writers--unlike some BTVS writers--seem to know that true safety, and true danger, are often located in character and not in plot.



Just wanted to say to Twisted Minstrel that I love what you said about Willow being "a tad dangerous under the skin and that shouldn't be taken away from her." Halleluia. I struggle myself with keeping a power center and a flash of darkness strong within Willow, but yes, it is there, and it should be there. I would love it if you wrote your symmetrical idea of Willow's downfall and return into a fic.



Okay, Mary, now back to you and your story which, of course, inspired TM's comment. Feedback by request I can do. Careful consideration of perspective I can do. I just have to get through some Hemingway and reader-response theory first, and then, as a reward for teaching on Friday afternoon, I am coming straight back to this story and will post again a little later with My Thoughts About Perspective. :) And thanks for asking! How cool is that?

"And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!" -- Willow in "Doppelgangland

Edited by: Tulipp at: 1/10/03 6:37:08 am
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Re: Part 7

Postby themagicpixie » Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:14 am

Just caught up with this fic. It's great. May I add my voice to those who hate Donnie. GRRR!



I really liked the scene in which he tries to tell Willow all the "negative" things about Tara's adolescence and Willow turns them around in her head into more reasons to love Tara. That was great.



I was apprehensive when Willow encountered Donnie in the Espresso Pump. I worry about what Donnie might try to do to W or T or both - I guess they can handle him but it's horrible to think of anyone, especially sweet li'l Tara growing up with a brother like that (not to mention a father like that).



Well, a really interesting and well-written fic - the dialogue of all the characters is spot on and is very funny in places! I know this is W/T fiction but I love the way Xander and Anya are being written here - wow, they're funny! Plus I like Tara's little interaction with Anya. There was always great potential in the TV series for them to be great friends, beginning with "The Yoko Factor" in which they make a joint decision to hide in the bathroom while Xander, Buffy and Willow argue in the living room and Giles, upstairs and drunk, occasionally interjects! - and I was sorry to see it wasn't followed up. I really thought there was great scope for humour there but it was another great idea ME let fall by the wayside...



Thanks for this fic', loving it!

themagicpixie
 


Re: Part 7

Postby Grimaldi » Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:33 am

great update :grin



i liked the conversation between Willow and Tara about the things that Donnie said and about Tara's first crush.

Donnie :rage he really needs a smack upside the head or a lobotomy, might make him smarter

you can't just go declaring shenanigans on innocent people, that's how wars get started!
I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

Grimaldi
 


The Decline and Fall of Willow Rosenberg

Postby darkmagicwillow » Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:38 am

Like Tulipp, I too will read and write about part 7 later, but I got sucked into the discussion of Willow's darkness that TM started. It's something I thought about a lot while writing The Dark Rose for obvious reasons. Here's the outline of Willow's fall I wrote while trying to understand how and why she was corrupted by the dark within her. I saw each season as another step into the darkness in an almost linear progression.



1997-1998 (s1): Willow DISCOVERS darkness in the vampires she meets the day Buffy arrives and in Jesse's death in Welcome to the Hellmouth. It hits home hardest in Prophecy Girl when she discovers the murder & mayhem at the school and realizes that no place is safe from it.



1998-1999 (s2): The darkness keeps hammering at her, becoming especially personal with Miss Calendar's murder in Passion. In Becoming, Willow TOUCHES darkness in the unknown power that helps her cast the soul restoration spell for Angel in Becoming. More darkness arises in the consequences with Xander's betrayal, perhaps holding Buffy up just enough to allow Angel to activating Acathla and making the soul restoration a tragedy.



1999-2000 (s3): Willow EXPERIENCES the darkness within herself as she commits her first knowing betrayal with Xander in Lover's Walk, and when she meets her vampire self in Dopplegangland.



2000-2001 (s4): Willow TEETERS on the brink of darkness with almost casting the revenge spell against Veruca in Wild at Heart, and the unintentional consequences of her Will Be Done spell that result in d'Hoffryn's offer to make her a VD in Something Blue. Tara shows her the light through her love and helps expose her to the tradition of Wicca. Willow with her extra-flamey candle chooses Tara and the light over Oz and the night in New Moon Rising.



2001-2002 (s5): Willow EMBRACES darkness in her fight against Glory, but her actions are grounded in good intentions until she loses Tara as her anchor in Tough Love and attacks Glory alone for revenge without thinking of the consequences. She begins to interfere with people's minds with the best of intentions, with Buffy in The Weight of the World and Glory and Tara in The Gift, foreshadowing her darker actions of next season.



Fall 2002 (s6): The darkness CORRUPTS her as she lies about the resurrection spell, its components and consequences, in Bargaining and CONSUMES her as she casts the second forget spell in Tabula Rasa. She still doesn't think of herself as dark, deceiving herself about her intentions, and is upset more because of losing Tara than because of any remorse for her actions or realizations of how deeply the darkness has stained her soul. Ignore addiction idiocy after Tabula Rasa.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: The Decline and Fall of Willow Rosenberg

Postby littlecrazy80 » Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:41 pm

Great update!

I feel so sorry for Tara. How could anybody be so rude to such a lovely person?!?!



*lil´c*



Unter den Blinden ist der Einäugige König.

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Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:53 pm

Hi, most wondrous Kittens.



God, the level of insight and intelligence in your feedback continues to impress me beyond words. It also makes writing this story such a gratifying experience b/c I get to have these incredible exchanges w/ such amazing minds. I've read superlative considerations of Willow's moral development, the source and outcome of Donnie's hatred and resentment, the justification of vengeful action when it's done on behalf of the beloved...It's just wonderfully heady stuff, and it makes me think in all sorts of new and different ways.



I'm going to respond to feedback individually, but time precludes my doing so right now. My partner is due in town in about two hours and I'd sort of like to greet her with a clean house and a nice dinner (Oh my God, I've gone domestic!) and that won't happen if I put the thought and time into the feedback that I want to. At the same time, I can't bring myself to short-change that feedback b/c it's so enjoyable for me, not to mention paying due respect to the time you've put into your own words.



I'll be getting back to this on Sunday evening. Until then, have a great week-end and thanks again, all of you, for such incredible thought and reflection.



Mary

AntigoneUnbound
 


Insecurity

Postby darkmagicwillow » Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:02 pm

The beginning of this chapter felt like a slap in the face. I knew immediately that the speaker was Donnie, still an insecure little boy, venting his frustration and trying to build his courage back up to face Tara and Willow again after his first attempt at intimidation failed.



Bit by bit the Maclay family dynamic is beginning to fall into place.



Donnie's insecure and resentful because he wasn't loved by his mother like she loved Tara, and also because he wasn't loved by his father. I'm not sure which hurts him more, but these two losses appear to be connected in his mind, the love he missed from his father having gone to his mother. I'm not surprised that his resentment focuses on Tara's orientation, the idea of a lesbian couple being particularly threatening to him as he's seen all the love in his family focused on the women. I still wonder though what happened in the beginning to make Donnie that way he is, to make his mother react to him the way we see her do in the flashbacks.



We get a glimpse of his father's own insecurity here, his inability to get his own wife to love him, reminded of his failure every time he sees his daugher who his wife has so much love for. He doesn't appear to know how to reach out any more, his only hope of human contact lost when the lie of Tara's demon nature was exposed. Did Mr. and Mrs. Maclay ever have a moment of bright beginning when the future seemed unbounded and full of hope?



But what a contrast between Donnie and Nathan's separate insecurites and Willow and Tara's tender sharing of theirs. You may always remember the embarassments of high school (and god, how incredibly painful it was to read of Tara's experience with Jo!), but bad memories lose their power as they are shared in the eyes of love, not immediately but surely and slowly. Jo's insecurity was painfully clear too, with her denial of her sexuality by changing her look and refusing to talk to Tara even when high school is all over. While insecurity drove Jo and the younger Tara apart, I have no fear of that particular danger coming between Willow and Tara here, especially not after this touching conversation.



Finally, I like how you don't mention the worst moment in Tara's life, making it all the more important by not saying it. That absence emphasizes their connection, Tara knowing that Willow will know what is and Willow with her sure and knowing love of Tara not speaking to ask or verify as her scientific mind is so often inclined to do. In other words, it shows their essential security in each other. That security is emphasized with each reassurance they share, and finally sealed, again without words, in their kiss.



And that's a beautiful way to end a chapter that's all about insecurity.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

darkmagicwillow
 


Re: Insecurity

Postby SilverWingedNemesis » Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:04 pm

Sheesh..



You really know how to work your way into people's hearts don't you..



I can't begin to describe all the emotions this one update held for me... I mean, besides totally hating Donnie, I felt Tara's pain, not only in her childhood, but even now, and you made me feel Willow's love and concern for her as well as her anger towards Donnie.



The line about Jodie Foster... GREAT! :)



Hummm :hmm Mr. Donnie is definatly up to no good..and what a prick...talking about his own mother that way! Sheesh..



Can't wait for more! WOnderful! Just, wonderful~ :clap



~NICK~

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Re: Insecurity

Postby Sister Bertrille » Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:27 pm

While I was reading Donnie’s thoughts, it occurred to me that you might have reached a critical (tricky?) point with him. He is manipulative and methodical, true, and indefatigable, fueled as he is by hate (he keeps goin’ and goin’ and goin’), but he is teetering on the edge of pathetic (“He’d been waiting for a chance like this his whole life”) and his skills are wanting. The dilemma? How to make him clever enough to inflict psychological damage without exceeding the limitations he is beginning to exhibit (chief among them, an inability to understand the complexity of just what holds people together – Tara and Willow, his own mother and father)? Plus, the only man who should ever use the word “lezzie” is one who is role playing a night at the Clit Club with his boyfriend!



There are possibilities – Tara is worrisomely sensitive about her past. And then there is la famiglia. I have no doubt that you will, um, pull it off, but the how is driving me crazy!



One last thing. They don’t get more cit-ay than SB, who can assure you that she has rowed her fair share of hoes!



SB



Sister Bertrille
 


Re: Insecurity

Postby Grimlock72 » Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:45 am

Heh, I would like to thank Donnie for making some of my points for me:
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walking away from him like he didn't even count; like he wasn't worth the time of day.
How.very.true :D



Another thing he said which was interesting:
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maybe get an idea of just how pathetic Tara had been.


Notice the "had been" part ? So even Donnie recognizes Tara isn't pathetic, how neat.



I felt so sorry for Tara, reading what she went through on her high-school. Much like Willow I would like to have been there and shield her from all the badness. Willow being all supporto-gal while Tara poured her heart out... sad but good to read.



As for Tara's worst moment in her life, I would guess thats when her mother died.



Donnie being around does force Tara to deal with parts of her past. While that might be good for her, it can hurt like hell. If I were Tara I would be carefull with wishing Donnie never existed; either Willow or Anya might be listening...



Grimmy





"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby miss calendar » Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:22 pm

Hi Antigone Unbound,

Thanks for your kind words. Your writing inspires thoughtful feedback as evidenced by the consistently interesting and perceptive posts in this thread. Not surprising given the subtle complexity and emotional power of your fic. There's so much to reflect on in each chapter that it's hard to know where to begin when responding.



Today though, I thought I'd start with Donnie, 'That fucking malicious prick.' Personally, I was going to go with 'sadistic little fuck' but hey, Willow's phrase works for me too. Actually it struck me that in a way Donnie is like a human vampire, feeding off others' fear, pain and rage. It's as if he not only takes pleasure in seeing other people experiencing these emotions, in some sick way he needs to provoke these feelings in others to provide himself with a fix. After all those years when he could terrorize Tara to his heart's content no wonder he's so keen to take her back home.



( "I was just so lonesome at home without you." He grinned mockingly, enjoying the confusion and budding fear on her face.)



While Donnie is no genius, in his own way he is perceptive and astute, with a sadistic intelligence which allows him to intuitively discover peoples' vulnerabilities and instinctively know how to manipulate and hurt them. Yes, he initially misjudged Willow and Tara and the power of their love but during their encounters he was still able to upset, scare and enrage them both. Donnie seems filled with a murderous rage which he can barely contain. I found it interesting that when Willow failed to react in the way he intended he was so frustrated he almost hit her. And he gained such satisfaction when he sensed that he'd really got to her, remembering it afterwards with glee.



' He allowed himself a small grin. At least he’d been right thinking Tara was a lezzie. Boy, the way that red-head had gone ballistic on him; the look she’d given him after his crack about her doing his sister-that was worth something…Looked like she wanted to scratch his eyes out, she did.'



And of course what Donnie sensed was the moment he evoked a murderous rage in Willow that matched his own. ( interesting that Willow previously had the very wolf-like fantasy of ripping his throat out. I'm thinking if Oz had ever bitten her then Donnie would be a gonner by now.) I loved that whole encounter but especially Willow's 'make my day moment' at the end. Part of me would love to see Willow fuck with Donnie in ways that defy mortal comprehension but then again I would not want Willow and Tara to have to deal with the consequences.



You write him extremely well. I like the way that while he presents himself as a concerned brother he is fully aware of his real feelings and doesn't deceive himself as to his true intentions. I particularly like the way he couches his malice in speech which is so friendly and neighbourly as if sending up a particular kind of hypocrisy. Donnie is a creepy, loathsome, banal but dangerous villain who is all the worse for being human. I don't want him near our girls unless he's having his ass well and truly kicked! Still I'm confident that in Willow, Tara and the Scoobies he's more than met his match. This time at least, hatred will not find a way and love will eventually prevail.



That was a wonderful passage, by the way. How terrible that Tara had to grow up in the face of that hatred as well as her father's implacable hostility. Says a lot about Tara's inherent strength and her relationship with her mother that she survived it as well as she did. As for the issue of whether Tara's mother knew about Donnie's physical abuse of Tara, I'm inclined to think that while she had suspicions she never knew for sure and she tried to protect Tara to the best of her ability. If she was really into denial it seems unlikely she would ask Tara. How painful that young Tara knew her mother could not protect her despite that fierce love. In keeping silent perhaps Tara was protecting her mother as well as herself. Makes me wonder if somewhere Tara may have some buried anger toward her mother for failing to protect her.



She certainly has a lot of accumulated rage toward Donnie, which I felt was another factor in her wish to pretend he never existed. I imagine Tara is terrified of unleashing that rage, perhaps in the past she allowed herself to be a victim rather than risk becoming (in her eyes) an abuser. Given the extreme provocation she endured for so long it must have been so tempting to use magic in retaliation. Maybe Tara was all too aware of the seductive lure of dark magic before she met Willow.



In Tough Love, during their argument when Tara voiced her fear of Willow's power I always thought there may have been some projection going on, that perhaps Tara was also frightened of her own power. Hush anyone? But maybe that's because I prefer to see them as equals wherever possible. As Sela pointed out, Tara is not the only one who has healed and grown in the relationship. Tara and Willow have both brought so much to the relationship and to each other. I thought the question Willow asked Tara when she was trying to reassure her after Donnie's revelations was crucial.



'' Do you find me sexy, and desirable? Or am I some wounded creature you took pity on?"



Willow and Tara's relationship is not based on pity and need, they are not acting out some victim/rescuer dynamic. They have both been hurt by past experiences but managed to use them to develop into caring and compassionate women. Together they have created a loving partnership based on mutual desire and respect. I really like how you write their relationship, how well they know each other, how sensitive toward each other's needs. All the things they understand without talking about but they can be direct and challenging too. And I'm so glad they respect each other enough to tell the truth even when they know hearing it will hurt.



I also loved Dawn's crush on Tara and Willow's response to it. I have to confess to watching 'Smashed' when it was shown late last night and all the scenes with Tara and Dawn fit so well with this. There's Tara being all concerned big sisterly and Dawn is so obviously crushing on her big time. I liked the fact that Willow has picked up on it and teased Tara about it while Tara doesn't see it. But then for Tara, Dawn is the loving sibling she never had.



' She saw Buffy looking at Dawn, arms still crossed, with an affectionate smile. So that’s what an older sibling who loves their little sister looks like, she thought with a sudden pang. I always wondered. '



I like the way that the themes from Family continue to be explored in your fic. Also loved the way you echoed that scene where the Scoobies first stand up for Tara.



"He’ll still have to go through me," Dawn said threateningly, crossing her arms defiantly over her ‘Hello Kitty’ t-shirt.



"And me," Willow piped up-unnecessarily, she realized, as Tara looked at her with a faintly teasing grin.



As before you write all the Scoobies and their relationships with each other beautifully. Actually you write everything beautifully, even the really ugly stuff. So much more could say but I've said more than enough. Sorry if I got a bit carried away with the feedback this time. Thanks for another terrific read.













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' What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday,
and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow :
our life is the creation of our mind. ' from The Dhammapada

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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Vampivy » Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:51 pm

Hello Mary:wave .



I’m starting to find your story very educational. I’ve always found it fascinating how people work through their problems and the many obstacles that come in any relationship. Even the feedback from other Kittens is a very interesting read. I find myself learning a lot more about the true dynamics of Willow and Tara’s relationship and about them as individuals. Even Donnie’s character has given me a lot to think about and analyze.



Thank you so much again for taking the time to write such a thought provoking story. But also, thank you for being so kind as to respond to our feedback in with such genuine and sincere honesty. It shows that you really do take any and all feedback and acknowledge it with real thought and sincerity. Even the simple Thank you’s. Which is great. I look forward to continue reading and re-reading this incredible story.:D



Patty



Vampivy
 


Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Bagheera » Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:52 pm

:)

I have but one thing to say: Tara has now recounted to Willow the second and third worst moments of her life. Willow, distracted by goodness-knows-what (the seductive vixen in her arms, the prospect of a hot cup of tea, a particularly difficult cryptic crossword clue?) has forgotten to ask Tara what the worst moment was.

But...I haven't forgotten.:hmm

Why do I get the feeling you're holding out on us, Ms. Unbound???

"I am a girl. I am nice. I can play. I can jump. I can sleep." My daughter's first essay (aged 5)

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Gods Served and Abandoned: Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:20 pm

Hey, Kittens—’tis I, a grateful Antigone, come to respond to your great feedback.



General thoughts: A lot of people reacted to Tara’s particular high school story—sorry about any retraumatization that may have occurred. Frankly, if forced to choose b/w living through my high school years again and getting married to Jesse Helms, I’d…Oh God, I can’t even finish the thought. Anyway, it struck a nerve for a lot of folks. Fun years, huh kids? Secondly, a lot of folks are writing with fascinating ideas about the nature of Donnie’s antipathy and, by extension, the true level of threat that he poses. Likewise, there’s some discussion of whether or not he can be redeemed which, of course, begs the question of whether he’s worth the effort of redemption.



Individual feedback:



>>Rose: You have to hold some kind of record for speed of responses! Sorry to hear about the high school experience; for what it’s worth, I took a fair amount of grief, too, for being such a jock and never, ever dating boys. Don’t worry—I won’t let Tara get swamped or sucked back to Cold Springs, literally or figuratively. Thanks for keeping up with this.



>>Stef: Yeah, a lot of people were aching for our girl, but you know she’ll come through in the end. Thanks for writing!



>>Nora: No, the telling of past aches and humiliations is never easy, is it? There’s always this fear that somehow that past will gain form and agency and become our present. Yeah, the Anya comment made sense. Sometimes it’s hard to keep a good balance when focusing on one dynamic in particular, but nothing occurs in a vacuum so the balance is important. I’m glad you liked Willow’s "tea and omission" inclination; I was impressed with your point about Tara picking up on the Faith/Buffy switch before B’s friends did. You’re right—that was a wonderful testimony to Tara’s perceptiveness, esp. re: people. Thanks for the feedback and the good thoughts, Nora.



>>Sela: I love your comment about Donnie not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, but possessing a kind of danger nonetheless. And the farm girl in me completely connected to the parallel b/w Donnie and a great big John Deere tractor—nice touch! What I most appreciate is your point about ignorance, and the importance of seeing it despite its aversiveness: it exists whether we acknowledge it or not, but it thrives when we don’t. You have a lovely perspective on W/T’s relationship, Sela, esp. with regard to Willow’s growth. As some other people have pointed out, the show often seemed to depict Tara as having grown through being Willow’s partner, but the complement is every bit as true, esp. in the ways you noted: Willow’s maturity, her becoming more settled and reflective. Your comment about your own rumination spurred my own thinking, and I believe that where Willow brought such intelligence, Tara brought wisdom. The two, acting in concert, are remarkable. Thanks, as ever, for your remarkable insight and the time you take to write such thoughtful comments. It definitely adds to my enjoyment of writing this story.



>>VampNo12: Hello, recovering one. Hope the last of the stomach flu has bid adieu and that you’re feeling rested and stronger. (And let’s hear it for strong drugs!) Yeah, Donnie doesn’t take well to a lezzie telling him where to get off, does he? You’re one of the people who consistently offer thought-provoking ideas about where Donnie’s going, considering his mind-set, his emotional reactivity, and his seeming lack of intelligence. What exactly can he do to our girls? Perhaps more importantly, what does he believe he can do? And ah, those inner demons…Obviously, this is something of a theme of mine, and you capture the essence of that struggle very well. We dread bringing them into the light (lest they gain form and power in the present); ironically, though, that very process is almost invariably an imperative part of taking the power away from those demons. You also pick up very nicely on a particular aspect of Tara’s pain re: Jo: she knew that Jo had feelings for her and yet Jo chose to serve fear (and goddess knows I mean no judgement in that—she was in high school) instead of standing beside Tara and letting Tara stand beside her. Finally, you’re dead-on in terms of picking up on Willow’s need to protect Tara. In this update, I wrote her as being a little wiser than she might have actually been at that time b/c here, she restrained herself from actively trying to talk Tara out of feeling back and into being OK, before it was realistic for Tara to do so. Thanks, LegallyVamped (hope you don’t mind my just running all over the place w/ your name!) for the incredible feedback and the specificity of your comments. You rock in most excellent ways!



>>BV: I’m glad that there’s a measure of interest remaining in Donnie’s inner workings. No, none of us are going to invite him for dinner any time soon, but it feels important that his psyche not be completely irrelevant. Glad you liked the math quiz comment—I figured that would be on Willow’s personal ten commandments, you know? You make a great point about anger, and its different purpose and manifestation for our girls. I think both of them can access it on behalf of the other, but Tara clearly has a more sinister history with anger (in that she was so often the target of Donnie’s) that using it on her own behalf still feels dicey to her. (Check out Miss Calendar’s observations on Tara’s anger.) Thanks for following this story and taking the time to write such great feedback.



>>Sonya: So you have a Ph.D.? Kudos on putting in the time and effort needed to get the damn thing! You know, you pick up on one of the things that felt most important to me in having W/T talk about all of this: Tara’s realization (at an emotional level, not just an intellectual or cognitive one) that her past doesn’t diminish her in Willow’s eyes. It’s one of the areas in which having Willow for a partner (w/ W’s particular history) would definitely be a boon. And I was especially intrigued by your observations/questions about Donnie’s own past w/ their mother. (Take a look at DarkMagicWillow’s thoughts under "Insecurity" for some more interesting thoughts on Donnie’s "relationship issues.") I’m hoping that things emerge within the story that illuminate both the source and the extent of Donnie’s feelings for all of his family members. You point out the very significant gender aspect, too: he can’t understand why his mother loved Tara so much; he can’t understand why his father loved his mother so much. For some reason (Mary wrote, in a hopefully-foreshadowing kind of way) Donnie finds women unworthy. I wonder why…Thanks again, Sonya, for keeping up with this fic and writing such great thoughts in response. Hope all’s well in England!



>>Debra: Glad to hear that a fellow hick is OK w/ the depiction; as you noted, it’s not causal. Also glad that the comforting scene was…um…comforting to you. Thanks for following this story and writing.



>>Mix: (Love your signature, by the way!) Thanks for the kind words. I have a weakness for having seemingly-contradictory parts (e.g., light and dark) w/in the same work; I’m glad it works for you. You make a good point about Willow trying to make up for lost time—I think you’re right. She wants to undo, w/in a few months and by the sheer force of her love, a lifetime of hurts. It’s a noble thought, but nobody can do that. Thanks again for the encouragement.



>>Tulipp: God, I absolutely agree with your insight about the ridiculous "skipping it" aspect of S-6: "brushing over massive changes in character development and asking the viewers to just play along." Like you, I’ve taped shut my experience of BtVS from "Seeing Red" onward. Yes, Willow wants everything to be fine, and to be that way in a hurry. (How many times, from S-1 on, have we seen Willow try to reassure everyone that everything would be OK, even when there was no way she could assure or even affect the outcome?) She does it in this update by thinking seriously about omitting the worst parts of her encounter w/ Donnie—we have no guarantee that she wouldn’t have, had Tara not known, by virtue of her perceptivity, that there was something else. I also share your affinity, like Twisted Minstrel, for a slightly edgy, threatening Willow. Check out DarkMagicWillow’s incredible chronology re: Willow’s transformation and its various moral/intentional underpinnings. Thanks again, Tulipp, for your wonderful insight and feedback. I hope that getting through Hemingway wasn’t too torturous and that your weekend was a restful one. (Great work on "Bread," by the way—loving that!)



>>themagicpixie: Consider your voice hereby added to the "Let’s Castrate Donnie" contingent. Yeah, it felt important to show a direct contrast b/w Donnie’s intent and the immediate "spin o’ love" that Willow does whereby she sees Tara in new, more informed ways which only enhance her appreciation. I agree that Tara and Anya have great friendship potential: Tara actively appreciates Anya, instead of waiting for her to mess up and offend people, and Anya truly appreciates the basic, very genuine goodness of Tara. I agree: ME let its best assets go unappreciated. Thanks for reading and taking the time to write!



>>Grimaldi: I’ll hold Donnie down, you apply the electrodes for the lobotomy, OK? Thanks for following this story and sending back the good words.



>>Littlecrazy80: I agree: how can anyone be mean to Tara? Ah, but they will pay…Thanks for writing!



>>DarkMagicWillow: Forgive my repetition from your own thread, DMW, but holy shit! I don’t know if you’ve already written a dissertation just yet, but if you haven’t, I suggest an extension of the chronology you articulated so well right here. (Heck, I don’t even know what your area of study/work is, but I still think this would make a good thesis!) God, reading your outline was so illuminating for me, from discovery to embracing and ultimate corruption. (I was always a little disappointed that they never revealed Xander’s lie to Buffy before she fought Angel.) You draw a fascinating parallel w/ Oz and the darkness as well. I hadn’t thought of that before, but it has a wonderful resonance to it. One of the things I’ve always sort of speculated about re: Willow’s transformation has to do w/ the impact of her "geek infested roots." From the first episode, she’s become progressively more socially desirable; thus, we’ve only seen her in increasingly sought-after contexts. I envision her, though, as always wrestling the demon of the first 15 years of her life. (Remember "Restless"? I thought that was such a great exploration of that idea.) I think she still struggles to believe that she’s truly out of that place of loneliness and rejection; moreover, I see that struggle as making it difficult for her to realize that she actually can abuse power. She’s so accustomed to being disempowered that it’s almost impossible for her to believe that she now has the power to hurt, be unjust or selfish. It’s almost as if she now has to choose to be moral, now that she has realistic opportunities to be immoral, or even amoral. This was just a fascinating response to read, DMW, and it certainly illuminates your thinking on "The Dark Rose" in very interesting, enjoyable ways. (Sorta like a "Behind the Music" vignette on your story.) Likewise, your "Insecurity" feedback contained some wonderful ruminations on the nature of Donnie’s profound bitterness and its ultimate genesis. It just stirs my own thinking all the more. Thanks for following this story and for taking the time to write such incredible feedback.



>>Nick: Glad you had a nice, emotional read! Always glad to help out in that arena…Now—when do we get to see Tara’s secret! (You know what I’m talking about!) Thanks for writing, Nickole.



>SisterBertrille: You raise a very good point: can Donnie be a believable, "worthy" villain considering the limitations we seem to be observing? Probably not, and that’s why I’m quitting the story right now. OK, maybe not…The edge that I’m intrigued with has to do with the distinction b/w his inability vs. his profound disinclination to grasp certain things. What is he able to comprehend when the execution of his vendetta depends upon it? But enough about plot…What’s this about rowing hoes up there in the city? I can only add, in an extension of farm lingo, that I hope you don’t end up sucking hind tit or being saddled w/ someone who’s as worthless as tits on a boar hog. Thanks for the good insights, and may all your hoes be worth their rows.



>>Grimmy: Nice catch on the "had been" aspect: Even though he can’t understand it, Willow’s response (coupled w/ the group reaction in "Family") makes it impossible for him to pretend that everyone else sees Tara as he sees her. Problem is, he thinks they just don’t see her correctly. And you’re right: Donnie’s presence, noxious as it is, means that Tara has to drag some of those ugly incidents out into the light. Hopefully she can now begin to realize that those incidents no longer have the power to define her. I’m like you—I get very protective of Tara, esp. when I consider her past. It makes it really tempting to shield her from any and all bad stuff, only then there wouldn’t be much of a story. But don’t worry—I love her too much to let anything too bad happen to her. Thanks for reading and for offering such good feedback.



>>Miss Calendar: God, do I love seeing your name on the feedback thread! You have such eloquent insights and such kind words. I always read your feedback twice and find myself going, "Hmmm…That’s really interesting." You make a great point about Donnie’s emotional vampirism; and you’re right: he’s smart in a creepy, "I know what you fear most" kind of way. That, coupled, w/ his emotional unpredictability, is what makes him ominous in my book. I share your observation that he’s very astute about what makes other people tick; ironically, so is Tara, and yet they use those intuitive sensibilities to such different ends. Why? You also draw a very interesting parallel b/w Donnie’s own rage and the moment of Willow’s own greatest fury: He comes close to hitting her; she comes close to incinerating him. Ultimately, though, he’s checked by fear (other people nearby); she’s checked by her own restraint. I’m psyched that you caught the hypocrisy piece: he managed to convince his father that he’s doing this in Tara’s best interest, and I think Nathan is more than able to delude himself about his own behavior toward Tara, but Donnie knows without a doubt what his true motives are. The fact that he can play other people (at least to some extent) makes him a more frightening creature. You and I have a similar take on Tara’s mother’s knowledge vs. suspicion of Donnie’s beatings. I was intrigued by your speculation about buried anger toward Tara. It’s easy to imagine her protecting anyone and everyone she loves, including her mother; but that’s definitely a reversal of how things should be. Anger…ah, what a charged topic…Willow can access anger on behalf of her beloved (and other worthy causes), but Tara has only seen anger directed at her, so I think you’re right: it still scares her a great deal. It definitely felt important to put the desirability exchange in there very explicitly: this isn’t just about protectiveness and certainly not about charity or pity. And Dawn’s crush on Tara—yeah, that felt like a little extra touch that could easily be in there. It was fun to write. Thank you, so very much, for your incredible feedback and taking the time to share your thoughts and observations with me. This kind of exchange is what makes this whole experience so enjoyable for me.



>>Patty: Oh my God—this is becoming educational? Quick, shut off your computer and run, don’t walk, from the room. (OK, just a wee bit of a joke there.) You’re absolutely right about the feedback from other Kittens: it pretty much blows me away, too. People have really fascinating things to say about Willow and Tara’s relationship as well as the various other players in this drama. And you’re very welcome about my own responses to you! I really love the whole process, because the people here are both intelligent and kind, and that mixture isn’t as common in the big bad world as it should be. I’ll be very curious to see what you think of the emerging story and glimpses we get into different characters. Thanks a lot, Patty, for taking the time to read this story and share your observations.



>>Bagheera: Ah, look closer, Bagheera…Can you see where the worst moment in Tara’s life is actually revealed? And really…would I hold out on you folks? Play with your minds and/or heartstrings for even a moment? Well, yeah, actually I would…Glad you’re liking it. Now I gotta get over to "Mission Statement" and get caught up! Thanks for writing!



OK, Kittens, that’s all for now. I anticipate posting Part 8 ("Buffy and Donnie Go On a Date") either tomorrow or Tuesday.



Mary



AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Gods Served and Abandoned: Feedback

Postby Bagheera » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:26 pm

Welll....

There have been snippets :hmm

You will reveal all when it's time, I know.



:kiss

B.

"I am a girl. I am nice. I can play. I can jump. I can sleep." My daughter's first essay (aged 5)

Bagheera
 


Re: Gods Served and Abandoned: Feedback

Postby Vampivy » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:45 pm

Hey you:p . You made a funny:lol . That was great thanks:clap .

:blush



Patty

:wave



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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned: Feedback

Postby Tulipp » Mon Jan 13, 2003 6:40 pm

Okay, Mary, you asked for it. ;) I just have to preface this by saying that I am not having a very articulate day; both my classes today were just crap, and I'm not recovering that quickly.



But I promised this, and so here goes:



First, a breakdown of POV:

1        Willow, Donnie, Willow, Donnie, Willow, Donnie

2        Willow, Donnie

3        Willow, Donnie, Willow, Donnie

4        Child Tara, Willow, Donnie, Willow, Child Tara, Tara/Donnie

5        Child Tara, Tara, Willow, Tara**

6        Willow, Child/Teenage Tara, Willow, Willow

7        Donnie, Willow**



For me, the answer to the perspective puzzle lies in this line from part 5: “Tara tried to stay in the present, tried to remember where she was, and who she was.”



Okay. The first part establishes that Tara tries not to think about what goes on in Donnie’s mind and Willow would like to help her (in mentally wishing she could change the subject). However, Donnie’s sections give us readers direct access to his thoughts, so the first three parts, in some ways, show us a struggle for narrative dominance between Willow and Donnie; notice that in spite of Willow’s POV asserting itself regularly, Donnie gets the last word in these three chapters.



In part 4, we see Tara’s POV for the first time, but significantly it is Child Tara, and it is unclear whether anyone else in the story has access to this perspective; Tara MAY be telling Willow the substance of these sections, but we don’t know for sure. We finally see present-day adult Tara’s POV emerge at the end of this chapter, but it is important to notice that she shares perspective with Donnie in this section: we get thoughts from both of them that the other does not have access to. Child Tara’s perspective is dominant in chapter 4, and we only see adult Tara through the lens of the confrontation with her brother. But we also see adult Tara through Donnie’s eyes in this section. Importantly, in this dual-perspective section, we see more of Tara's looks and body language than her thoughts, as if Donnie's sheer presence makes it difficult for her to articulate her own perspsective.



In part 5, we get that critical line about Tara wanting to stay in the present, to remember where and who she was. For me, that says a great deal about the function of perspective in this story. While I would never suggest that Willow and Donnie hold parallel positions in Tara’s life or that Willow wants to dominate Tara in any way, I do think that the alternating perspective suggests, on some level, the way in which both Willow and Donnie want Tara to share their perspective. That’s not quite it, though: Willow wants to share Tara’s perspective with her, but she would prefer that perspective to be easier and happier; Donnie wants to impose his perspective on Tara. Tara, meanwhile, is struggling with the difficulty of maintaining her own adult perspective, which is constantly threatened by her sense of herself as still a child.



In part 6, we have Teenage Tara framed by Willow sections before and after, and this feels almost protective, as if the structure of the story has, at least temporarily, succeeded in banishing Donnie’s POV. Finally, in part 7, we see Donnie again followed by Willow, and then (finally I get to it, right?) we have this one critical thought of Tara’s in an otherwise Willow POV section: “Why do all the good things have to get dirty and stained?”



Now since your usual MO is to have single perspective sections, this one-shot Tara thought might nag at me a little; I wonder: why here? But to your credit, it is an absolutely functional exception: Tara’s despair at the good things get dirty is true to character and important emotionally, but it is also a comment on the way that perspectives bleed into one another at various points in the story: Donnie’s POV is a kind of stain throughout the story, and although we see Willow and Tara as desiring to share perspective, there’s a way in which this is a problem: Tara struggles to maintain perspective, and she struggles with the idea that in some way she is dirtying Willow’s perspective.



And that, as far as I can tell, is one of the underlying issues in this story: if Tara is truly going to abandon the gods she once served, she must be able to hold onto her own perspective. And she must be able to see that sharing Willow's perspective only strengthens them both.



So that's what I've got for now. What do you think?



Juli

"And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!" -- Willow in "Doppelgangland

Tulipp
 


Re: Insecurity

Postby JewWitch18 » Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:11 pm

sheboinkle! there is so much intelligent discourse by the followers of mary, I can actually feel myself being enriched! :hmm it's kind of squishy.



what can I say after so many thoughtful replies, without being repetative? well, I'll go with one most-memorable-moment for the chapter:

Quote:
Tara was silent for a moment, and Willow fought the urge to send more words up to the front line to do battle with Tara’s pain. Instead, she talked with her hands, stroking Tara’s cheek and hair.


this is a significant moment!! this is one of the most concrete ways we can see willow growing into her own as a result of her love with tara; her faith, in herself, in tara, in their relationship, is the first thing that's ever been strong enough to give her the ability to stop talking and just let what is, be. there is a huge amount of faith involved in this moment. and I totally get it, because it's one of the ways I've always identified with willow a little too much. you have all these words and you know if you can just get enough of them out, people will understand what you're about. it's very difficult to give them credit for simply seeing you, without a guided tour. just like tara's observation about how demons die slow, the good, strong stuff inside gets built slow, too.



I had more to say, but I'm being booted off the computer now (stupid dial-up...I miss my university network. it was always on, and it was free.) go mary, mary rocks, mary even cleans house!! can't wait for another update :peace



--jenny

Say you really like shrimp. Or, say you don't like shrimp at all. "Bah, I wish there weren't any shrimp," you'd say...

--Anya on multiple dimensions

JewWitch18
 


update

Postby stereo33 » Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:20 pm

Hi Mary

Sorry for the late reply. Firstly, I had a sudden urge to drop a load of postcards on Joss and UPN, and secondly, I had a load of college work to do! Great update (again) words can't describe what I think of Donnie. His thoughts at the beginning show just how bitter and twisted he really is. Oh and what do you mean he's not ready to go back to Cold Springs just yet? What's all this about an arsenal, :hmm I wonder what else he has up his sleeve? You're making my head all :spin . I'm glad Willow told Tara what he'd said (even though it was painful). I think she needed to make sure Tara knew it didn't matter to her. I thought Tara talking about the note was very touching and I'm glad Willow managed to talk her round in her own unique Willow way, (and it ended with W/T kissage). Thank-you. Looking forward to more. Karen :)

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Re: update

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:32 pm

Hey Kittens: Just a few final responses and then I'm posting Part 8. Thanks, as ever, for the amazing dialogue that you have created on this thread as well as for your supportive feedback.



Bagheera:
Ah, yes...All will be revealed...Thanks for following this story. I'm always glad to see your name on this thread.



Patty: Yeah, I made a funny! (I think that's different from "giving a happy," at least as they discuss it on the show.) Thanks for the always-enjoyable exchanges!



Tulipp: OK, if that's what you deem inarticulate, I'm almost afraid to ask what you demand of yourself in order to pass the eloquence muster. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the explicitness of your thinking and the time you took to convey your ideas to me. I was just so struck by the thoroughness w/ which you reviewed the POV's within this story and the purpose you saw in each. Not only did it help me understand the entire subject more clearly, it also helped me understand why I've made the choices I have. It was incredibly generous of you to give such time and effort to answering my question, especially in the midst of what sounds like a very exhausting day. I really do appreciate it, Tulipp. If I can ever provide free analysis to any family members, just gimme a call. I'm not authorized to do involuntary commitments, but if that's something you're interested in, we could talk about the particulars. Joking aside--thank you! You're a generous soul.



Jenny: I've never thought of enrichment as "squishy" before, but when I read your words, it just seemed to fit. You know, I think a lot of people identify with Willow's "Quick--say something; say a lot of somethings!" when trying to communicate difficult or emotional concerns. Believe me--no one was more surprised to see the clean house than my partner! Nature abhors a vacuum, and so do I. Thanks for reading this story and taking the time to write such supportive words. Here's to enrichment!



Karen: Hey, no need to apologize for the delayed feedback. I appreciate you giving feedback, whenever the spirit moves you. Yes, Donnie has more in his arsenal; and no, he's not heading back to Cold Springs any time soon. But have faith, good soul; nothing irrevocably bad will happen to our girls! Thanks for following this story and taking the time to write.



OK--on to Part 8.



AntigoneUnbound
 


Part 8

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:11 pm

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers: I own nothing. Just ask my bank.
Spoilers: Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain Big Bad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.
Rating: R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.
Distribution: Sure, with acknowledgement.
Feedback: Even more sure! Bring it on!

*****

Part 8


*****

She answered the phone on the first ring, her voice as ingratiating as ever.

"Hey Beth, it’s Donnie. How’s life down there in the small town?"

"I was wondering when you’d call, Donnie. Are you having any luck with Tara?"

"Not just yet, but I’m a long way from done. How’s the old man?"

"Donnie—how would Uncle Nathan feel if he could hear you? He’s your father." Cousin Beth’s tone was filled with moral displeasure, which he found very enjoyable.

"Aw, lighten up. I don’t mean anything by it. How’s he doing?"

"Well, to be honest, he still isn’t saying very much. I think Tara’s behavior hurt him awfully bad, Donnie." She exhaled sharply. "It just makes me so angry to think about it."

"Don’t getyour panties all bunched up, Beth," Donnie laughed. "It’s not good for your circulation."

"You can just watch your mouth with me, too, Donnie. I don’t need any lessons in self-control from
you, of all people."

"Fine, whatever. I didn’t call to get a Sunday School lesson. Listen, is Daddy around?"

"No, you know he’s always milking at this time. Like you would be, if you were here to help," she added.

He ignored her implied reproach. "Good, I thought so. Listen, Beth, I need you to do me a favor."

He could almost see her ears pricking up, her nose quivering like a rat who had caught the scent of something foul nearby.

"Favor? What kind of favor?"

"I need you to get some stuff of Daddy’s, without him knowing it."

He might as well have said that he needed her to steal the big cedar cross from off of the front lawn of the Cold Springs Baptist Church.

"Donnie, you have to be pulling my leg. You want me to steal something from Uncle Nathan? After all he’s been through, you want me to go nosing around and just take something of his?" Her voice was climbing steadily with the force of her righteous indignation.

"In the first place, Beth, it’s not stealing. We’ll put everything back. And in the second place, don’t get all high and mighty with me about nosin’ around. If I know you like I think I do, you’ve already made yourself pretty comfortable with our house and everything in it." He smiled into the silence, enjoying the image of her choking on her own mortification.

Finally, she managed to splutter, "If you’re trying to suggest that I’d steal anything from your father, all I can say is—"

"I ain’t sayin’ you’d steal anything. I’m just sayin’ that you like to know what’s goin’ on, and I imagine you’ve strolled through the house more’n once, takin’ a look at whatever you can see."

There was another brief silence, and then she sullenly replied, "Anything I do, it’s because I feel so bad for your father. And for you, too," she added in a wheedling tone.

"I know, Beth. I’m sorry I teased you about it. I know Daddy’s grateful for everything you’re doing." A little soft-soaping couldn’t hurt anything, he reckoned.

"Really?" The eagerness in her voice was as transparent as her dye job.

"Really. He told me so." He paused for just a moment to let her snatch that morsel off of the floor. "And I’m not tryin’ to put you in a tough position, Beth. I just need some help from that end and I figure you’re the one I can count on."

"Well you know I’d do anything to help, Donnie, but taking something private of Uncle Nathan’s, without his permission…It just doesn’t feel right."

"Beth, you and me both know that Daddy’s never been exactly clear-headed where Tara’s concerned." He could almost see her eyes narrowing with resentful agreement. "I’m just afraid if I ask him to give me the stuff directly, he’d get all uptight and torn-up about it. And hasn’t he been through enough?"

"You don’t need to tell me about how much your daddy’s hurtin’, Donnie. Tara’s the one that needs to understand that."

"So you’ll help me?" He tried to keep the impatience out of his voice. Beth was like a fish that bit quickly but didn’t necessarily take the whole bait. She was wary, in her own way, and he needed to play the line carefully.

"I don’t know, Donnie…I mean, do you think it’s even a good idea for Tara to come back? Really? I can’t imagine that she’d fit in anymore; not that she ever really did."

I get it now. You like bein’ the woman of the house.

"You got a good point, Beth. Tara’s never been a real Maclay, not like you. And I ain’t just sayin’ that," he interjected quickly. "I mean it. But it's just not right that she left like that, and then talkin’ that way to Daddy the other night…She needs to face the music for what she did, whether she ends up stayin’ or not. I just think it would mean a lot to Daddy if we could work together and at least get her to come home and apologize."

He held his tongue then, and waited for her to take the bait before he tried to reel her in at all.

"Well…I mean, if you really think it would help Uncle Nathan." He could hear the last lingering hesitation in her voice.

"I do, Beth. And I need your help. I can’t do it without you.." He tugged the line, just slightly.

"OK. Tell me what you need."

"Thanks, Beth; I mean it. And I’m sorry about teasin’ you earlier. I guess I’m just a little worked up, thinkin’ about all of this."

"Well, I can certainly understand why." They were both playing the part of gracious allies now.

"You’re good to help us out like this. Now—the stuff I’m talkin’ about is in a lock box in Daddy’s press."

"Lock box? But what good will it do you if you can’t get into it?"

"Don’t worry about it," he replied. "It’s not a real tricky one." Especially since he’d had a duplicate key made down at Winton’s Hardware Store after he’d seen where his daddy stashed the original.

There was a brief pause, and then Beth acquiesced to the version of reality that he encouraged her to hold. "So it’s in his closet?"

"Yeah, up on the top shelf. It’s all the way over to the right, tucked in behind some flannel shirts. You’ll probably have to stand on a footstool to reach it," he added, thinking of Beth’s stature.

"But how do I get it to you?"

"That’s easy, at least for you. I’ll drive down there this afternoon."

"But if you’re coming all the way back home—"

"I’m not. I don’t want Daddy knowin’ about any of this, not just yet. I’ll meet you at the IGA and you can give it to me. You still got your mom’s car, right?"

"Yes. And I need to do some grocery shopping anyway, so that’ll work out fine."

"Good. I really appreciate this, Beth."

"Donnie..." She hesitated, but he knew what was coming. "What’s in the box?"

He could hear her curiosity slithering all over her. He smiled, and held out for the dramatic pause.

"Now if I told you that, it would ruin the ending, wouldn’t it?"

*****

That afternoon, Willow and Tara walked to the Magic Box to do some research and gather some spell necessities. Willow was paying for the ingredients, much to Anya’s pecuniary delight.

"I know we live in a capitalist society, Baby; it just seems to me that things needed to fight the forces of evil should be free. God, I can’t even declare them on my taxes!" Willow was waxing indignant.

"I can’t really argue with you, Sweetie. Seems like adding insult to injury that we pay six cents on the dollar for aiding the cause of good."

"Exactly. Things like magickal ingredients—when those ingredients serve integral roles in averting the apocalypse—should be gratis. As should tampons," she added, in what, to the untrained ear, would almost certainly be a jarring non sequiteur.

"Willow, did you call upon the forces of Tampax for some great conflict before I met you? And if you did, do I really want to hear about it?"

Willow nodded somberly. "It was the bloodiest of battles..."

"Oh goddess, please stop," Tara groaned.

"No, it’s just a matter of principle. We have no choice but to use feminine protection products, and frankly, I think they should be subsidized by the government."

Yanking on the shop door, to the accompaniment of the increasingly-wearisome bell overhead, Tara could only shrug. "Gets my vote. You write the bill and we’ll see about sponsorship."

"I think we can rule out Strom Thurmond," Willow grumbled.

They had only been working for a few minutes when the bell jangled again. They looked up to see Buffy and Giles enter. Any of their usual greetings were abandoned when they saw the look in the Slayer’s eyes. Without speaking, Buffy headed back to the training room, slamming the door behind her.

Willow looked up questioningly at Giles. The Watcher sighed, then pushed a chair back from the table and sank into it heavily. "We’ve learned something…about the Key," he managed, his voice weary.

"Giles, what is it?" Willow was quickly becoming frantic. She hated to see Buffy hurting like this. She knew that her best friend could handle any physical challenge, but her heart was far more delicate than anyone else seemed to realize. And Mrs. Summers had been sick so much of the time lately, with those headaches that no one could figure out…Buffy was already coping with far more than she should have to, and now it looked as if something else had been dropped onto her shoulders—uncaringly, remorselessly.

"Actually, Willow, at the risk of sounding melodramatic or secretive, I really do think this should come from Buffy, whenever she’s able to talk about it."

"Did something happen to Dawn?" Tara broke in, eyes clouding with dread.

To their immense surprise, Giles gave a dry, mirthless laugh. "How very odd you should mention that…" Then he shook his head, and looked at them squarely. "No, Dawn is quite safe, I can assure you of that."

The three of them looked up as Buffy walked back into the room. Willow caught the look that passed between Slayer and Watcher; it seemed to her that Giles was giving Buffy silent permission to handle this moment entirely as she saw fit.

"Buffy, are you OK? Do you want to sit down?" Willow was desperately trying to think of something that she could do, however minute, to help her best friend.

"No, Will—I think I need to be standing for this. In fact," she broke off, with a brittle laugh, "I may just need to interrupt this discussion to beat the hell out of something."

Willow started to speak again, but fell silent at the feel of Tara’s hand falling gently on her thigh. She would follow Tara’s lead here. Tara knew her way around the scary dungeons of psychological terrors far better than she did.

Buffy paced for a few seconds—short, staccato steps in which every footfall seemed to sound her outrage—and then turned abruptly and leaned over the table, planting her palms on the dark wooden surface.

"Giles and I have just learned that…We’ve just learned that the Key…" She took a deep, shuddering breath, closing her eyes briefly, and then gazed at them and spoke with the voice of someone much, much older. "We’ve just learned that Dawn is the Key."

*****

Was she really sixteen? Was she really that close to getting away from Cold Springs, and her father? Was she really that close to leaving Donnie behind for good?

She looked at herself in the mirror, trying to stand up straight. "Honey, you’re so beautiful…Why do you slouch over like that, and hide behind your hair? Let everybody get a look at you, Bright Eyes." Her mother was always encouraging her to show more of herself, but everything within her, it seemed, screamed at her to present as small a target as possible.

Time was rolling forward; there was no denying it. Even if the days sometimes seemed to last an eternity, like they had right after she’d been caught trying to press the note into Jo’s locker. She never even looks at me. She must think I’m disgusting. She thought back over the past few months, and the spiraling isolation that had followed her ill-fated love letter. Does Jo ever miss me? Does she ever miss the jokes we used to make, the ones that nobody else would ever think were funny? Does she miss sitting beside me on the bus, and leaning over so that we made our own private universe? She tried not to think about Jo too much; when she did, her stomach hurt in a way she’d never felt before…like somebody had poked a white-hot fist right through her skin and grabbed her belly tight, squeezing it till she couldn’t breathe. Mostly, she just tried to get through each day at school, focusing on her studies and reading by herself at lunch time. People still called her "lezzie," but she’d gotten used to that and besides, they didn’t do it all the time anymore.

For years, it seemed, she’d been trying to hurry time along, nudging it and pushing it and urging it to pick up its pace. Now, for the first time that she could remember, she wanted it to slow down.

Because her mother was sick.

Because her mother wasn’t going to get better.

She knew it, even if her mother didn’t come right out and say so. "You never know, Bright Eyes. The things they can do nowadays…" And then she’d leave the sentence unfinished, because her mother could do so many things, and do them so well, but she couldn’t lie, at least not to her beloved daughter.

Why had it taken them so long to figure it out? Her mother always had energy to spare, but then she’d started getting tired almost as soon as she got out of bed. And her face, which had always seemed to glow with some inner light, even in the dead of winter, became wan, and pallid, and dark circles appeared under her eyes seemingly overnight. When her mother had come into her room that night three weeks ago, closing the door softly behind her and coming over to sit on her bed, Tara had had to fight the urge to run out of the room before her mother had even started talking.

It’s bad. She’s sick, and it’s really bad.

"Sweetie, you know I haven’t been feelin’ exactly myself for awhile, right?" Tara could only nod, the fingers of her right hand inching out to clutch more and more bedspread into her grasp while her left hand held onto her mother’s and tried to memorize the feel of the worn, work-roughened skin.

"Well, I went to see Dr. Bradley last week, and he wanted to run a few tests…"

Stop talking, Mom. Stop talking right now, and we can pretend we never even started this conversation. But you have to stop talking now.

"The tests came back today, Honey , and… and it’s not good." Stop talking, Mom. Please Mama. Please stop talking.

"It looks like I have cancer, Bright Eyes."

And then Tara knew that it was too late, that her mother had uttered the words and the words had made it all real. And she thought, dimly, that her eyes were bright, they had to be, because everything was shimmering, including her mother; she was twinkling and shining and glittering through the prism of tears that made everything so horribly bright.

*****


To be continued




Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 1/16/03 9:34:32 pm
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Re: Part 8

Postby The Rose24 » Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:28 pm

I have a bad feeling Donnie is getting a gun. :rage



You broke my heart with the exchange between Tara and her mother. Any kid's nightmare is finding out someone in their family has cancer. :cry

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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Re: Part 8

Postby JewWitch18 » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:14 am

gee, I for one liked this handling of the "dawn is the key" news much better than how it happened on the show. it's like they all actually trust and respect each other...and willow's observation about how buffy's heart is more delicate than anyone realizes was a beautiful best-friend moment.



but...on a much more serious topic...I think that earth-wise wiccan types like will and tara would know about the many, highly superior alternatives to tampons. I see them both as devoted owners of the keeper, myself-- the best menstrual product ever invented, producing no waste and lasting five years or more. go keeper! :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce

I am a big fan of the keeper. it's better for the environment, it's better for your health (no TSS like with tampons) and it's better for your finances-- $30 and then you don't have to spend any more money on period supplies for 5 years! where's the down side, I ask you? so, willow doesn't need to draft that tampon subsidy bill just yet :wink



--jenny

Say you really like shrimp. Or, say you don't like shrimp at all. "Bah, I wish there weren't any shrimp," you'd say...

--Anya on multiple dimensions

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Re: Part 8

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:29 am

You know, Jenny, I actually thought about the keeper when I was writing the story, but I liked the idea of that exchange b/w our girls so much that I went w/ the tampon idea.



So: I hereby wish to emphasize that the dialogue between Willow and Tara in Part 8 of this story is in no way intended to endorse one method of menstrual coping style over another. I received no sponsorship from Tampax for mentioning their product in this story.



I just found it awfully fun to write "Tampax."



I'm having even more fun, here in my office, saying it aloud to myself. I should probably consider getting professional help of either a psychological or gynecological nature for this.



Flowingly submitted,

Antigone "You be Tex, and I'll be Ko-Tex" Unbound

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Re: Part 8

Postby Penrose Orleans » Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:20 am

Tampons can bite me!



Alright, now that we have that out of the way, I'm really excited about this update... it's a great continuation of the spirit of the story, not getting too bogged down in angst, while still being both suspenseful and sad (poor Mrs. Maclay... and poor Tara!). Donnie shows his powers of manipulation in this part- it's too easy for him to be just a wild bull, with no control over his vengeance- he's had years of anger to build his core of vengeance, and now he has it simmering just enough to move him to these horrible things. I'm getting more and more interested in Donnie's storyline the more I read this... how was he during his mother's illness? Before it? I see him grieving, perhaps, and not being able to fully experience his grief (since it wouldn't be "manly" and because he's too bust wallowing in self-pity for being his mother's second-favorite child). Anyway, looking forward to more, and you rock muchly! -Nora

"Fear prophets...and those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them." -Umberto Eco

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Re: Part 8

Postby themagicpixie » Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:05 am

Great update, AntigoneUnbound. And Tara's mother is sick and won't get better... :cry



Very touching. Sniff. I love the way you flashback to when Tara was younger. It gives us a real sense of her in a way the TV series didn't manage.

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Re: Part 8

Postby JustSkipIt » Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:32 am

Mary, I hope you will take this in only the best way: I find this part EXTREMELY disturbing. The level of evil and charisma that Donnie projects and effects is just ... I can't think of another word. It makes my skin crawl. You do an excellent job of portraying that type of interaction and his motivation in manipulating Beth (not such a pure soul herself). Very disturbing.

Then the movement to the Dawn=Key disclosure which for me carries all the events of s5 along with it. The interaction about government subsidized tampons was funny but according to Willow's logic, wouldn't we have subsidized toothpaste and deodorant and vegie-burgers too?

Then the last part made me cry. I'll stop there. Gotta go to work. Great job.

I'm not sure beautiful is the word for content but for style: Beautiful :clap :clap :clap



Debra

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"War may be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary it is always evil." - President Jimmy Carter after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Part 8

Postby Grimaldi » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:18 am

great update :)



with the way that Donny was able to sweet talk Beth into stealing the lock box from his father, he should be a used car salesman.



Willow's comments about having to pay for magic supplies and tampons was funny.



the last part with Tara's mother telling her she had cancer was very sad

You can't just go declaring shenanigans on innocent people, that's how wars get started!
I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

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