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Re: !!

Postby Grimaldi » Sun Apr 27, 2003 11:32 am

great update, very intense and sad :sob



you portrayed Dawn's emotions very well, and i liked the conversation Tara and her had, with Tara showing Dawn that Buffy is just as scared as Dawn is about their mom, that if she takes her off life support, she is not being a cold heartless bitch but is trying to do what is best for their mom.

I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

Grimaldi
 


Re: Part 25

Postby VampNo12 » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:04 pm

Mary, wow... this chapter defintely "packed an emotional punch"! I must echo some other kittens and say that I too felt the "quiet", with this part seen through Tara's eyes (her perspective). Tara knows all too well the painful process of losing a loved one, so she knows what to expect... the "routine" (ie her being able to "read" Dr. Santigo with such thoughts as, "Don't draw this out. Please. Let them know.", as well the lines, "And there was the D word; only this time it hid behind a qualifier, unwilling to collect it's ransom openly. It lurked behind another word, and that partial obscuring would let hope linger for a few more minutes."). I think I especially felt the "blow" with the doctor making a point in getting a "second opinion", but Tara knowing the inevitable (ie her thinking, "But you're not wrong. You know you're not wrong.").



One of the things that truly struck a chord with me was Tara thinking, ("She wants to make it better. With everything she's seen, she doesn't really understand that people can die of ordinary things like strokes and cancer. She hasn't seen that kind of death yet."). Here Willow (and by extension Buffy/gang), are being thrust into a harsh reality, where no matter how much in the past they fought to protect "innocents" (in the "supernatural world"), they can't "fight" this all too human act of losing one's life to natural causes. Yes, they can get second opinions (rely on one of things they do best and research), even keep Joyce on life-support; but there's nothing to protect themselves from the end result... having to lose a loved one (ie pain/grief they'll endure).



And my the decision of taking Joyce off life-support makes this even more heart-wrenching. In regards to Dawn, I think intellectually she knows the "truth" (that for all intents and purposes her mother is "dead"), but at the moment her own life is in such upheaval (the knowledge of being the "Key") that it fits in her character to act out in this way. By the same token, I can't also help to think that Dawn lives in a world where demons and vampires exist ("live" in a way), has experienced first hand the "power" of Buffy being the slayer, as well knowing two "powerful" witches... so it must be hard to fathom (in her mind) Buffy/gang giving up without a fight. I guess what I'm saying is Dawn has seen with her own eyes the impossible become reality (in the world of the supernatural), thus doesn't understand why Joyce can't find her way back to her family (ie for Dawn it's unimaginable to comprehend Buffy taking away her "life-line"... acting like Joyce being dead is a foregone conclusion).



In this regards, I found the lines, ("I did let my mother die! She went through so much chemotherapy so much radiation that by the end there was practically nothing left of the woman I knew... nothing except her eyes and her smile and her mind, and she used that mind to decide she wanted to come home and die there. Do you think that's what I wanted? You think I wouldn't have walked to hell and back just to see her smile at me one more time? But she knew what she wanted, and she could decide for herself. Your mom doesn't have her mind, Dawn. Her mind is already gone. Except she told Buffy what she wanted, and now you have to grow up even more and face that fact.") truly speaking to me. Of course, no one wants to let go (lose their loved one), but Dawn's anger (while understandable on one level) shouldn't be directed at Buffy... interpretating Buffy's actions as not caring (not giving a damn). Thus, while Dawn is being led by her fear (her acting out), Tara is trying to break through Dawn's defense mechansims by being the "voice of experience". Really now isn't the time to put up walls, but rather reach out and band together... find comfort/strength in each other. Although, in a way until Dawn reaches the acceptance stage of grief... let's go of Joyce (in the physical sense), she may find it difficult to seek out the gang in her time of need (ie in her mind this act would be an admittance of the "truth"... her mother won't be "saved"... she's "gone"). And my heart just broke :sob when Dawn broke down saying, "I can't lose her... I just can't.", with the all knowing impact (of what's to come) as Tara thinks, (while comforting Dawn) "But you will.". Can't wait for the next part.



Vicki (who's taking a much needed break from her own studying "Hell" :) ) !









Edited by: VampNo12  at: 4/28/03 12:25:43 am
VampNo12
 


Re: Part 25

Postby mollyig » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:38 am

Having the scene in the hospital from Tara's perspective worked really well in heightening the tension. Her past experience led her to know what was about to unfold.



Willow started forward as if to take Buffy into her arms, but then she hesitated, perhaps sensing, as Tara did, that Buffy needed them near her, but not touching her. I thought this was a powerful scene, showing the depth of friendship between our girls and Buffy. That Buffy trusts them enough to show her sorrow, and that they were aware of exactly what she needed from them.



Another great chapter. Thanks.

Love is a place I dream of. A face that never leaves my mind
Luka Bloom

mollyig
 


Re: Part 25

Postby wishwritermo » Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:42 pm

This is the season five that SHOULD have been. two words. DA-AMN!! really powerful, really sad.:sob

wishwritermo
 


More Replies; Same Great Taste!

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:01 pm

Grimmy: Yeah, Tara definitely has a powerful and unique credibility where this particular "horror" is concerned. I sort of see everyone here struggling b/w trying to cope as well as they can and just wanting to give in the full range of grief and range. Thanks for following this story, Grimmy.



Grimaldi: This was a tough update to write, for pretty obvious reasons. I'm glad it rang true to you. Thanks for reading.



Vicki, Vicki--Ain't studyin' just icky? As always, you make a number of great points re: the various characters' emotional experiences and reactions. I was particularly struck by your comment that Dawn, having seen so much of the impossible and fantastic, would understandably have hard time believing that her mother's illness was beyond the superhuman reach of her sister. That really made me nod with appreciation of that dynamic, which I hadn't considered before.



And certainly, everyone's emotional dictionary is unique; thus, what Buffy calls "realism," Dawn calls "giving up." Who of us hasn't at some point simply refused to say something out loud, believing that if we pretended it wasn't so, it wouldn't be so. And then, when reality announces itself with a clarity too forceful to ignore, the crumbling begins and we take our first steps into hell. (How's that for a happy thought on a Monday night?)



I have a fairly obvious (I suspect) fondness for accompanying actual dialogue/events with glimpses into the person's verbatim thoughts. (Can thoughts be verbatim? Hmm...) Willow and Tara are such singular characters that I especially love doing that with them. Hell--I'd love doing anything with them...but that's another story, I suspect.



Thanks for writing, Vicki--hope the studying is proving productive. Are you almost done w/ the term? Hang in there! Thanks for the great thoughts and encouragement.



Mollyig: I have a definite soft-spot for little moments that illuminate closeness b/w characters, whether they're lovers or friends or family members. I've noticed that a lot of writers on the Pens board are adept at that depiction. Thanks for the good thoughts.



Wishwritermo: Hey--welcome to the board, or to de-lurked mode, whichever is more applicable! I'm glad you're enjoying the story; goddess knows I'm pretty invested in it myself. Thanks for the compliment, WWM. Hope you like where it goes from here.



That's all for now. More later.

Thanks,

Mary


AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Part 25

Postby Patches » Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:17 pm

Hey again. I know we’re supposed to edit previous posts, but what the hell, what’s the point of life if you can’t break a few rules every now and then. So, in addition to my already ‘addended’ feedback, I want to throw a few more things out (so, in case you missed it - there's another missive in my original post).



I like this story because it makes me think while I’m reading, and continues to make me think once I’ve finished. The feedback is almost as much fun to read as your story, and that makes me think even more. I see I’m at odds with most of the other Kittens RE: Tara’s reaction to Dawn. To start, the whole scene was rather surreal for me. What I found so oddly compelling was that my own experience with parental loss was strikingly similar to both of your characters; the circumstances were almost identical in both cases – that made for some very eerie reading. I took some time and re-read the chapter a couple of times, and each time I did, I got the same sense from it. Here I found myself feeling the intense emotions of both Tara, in her grief at her remembrance and understanding of what is to come, and of Dawn in her immediate state of potential/probable loss. What hit me with this was not necessarily Tara’s mini-melt down, it was the timing. I think I was disappointed with Tara’s reaction. I kept thinking that on top of everything else that’s happened, Tara, whom I sure understands fully the impact of emotional trauma, has just dumped a heaping pile of guilt on Dawn’s already overstuffed plate. Sure, I know we’re dealing with fiction, and in fiction characters don’t always do what they’re supposed to do, or react in programmed ways, it is a story, not a docudrama.



Okay, so now for the fun stuff ... wondering at your motive for/behind this scene. It allows us another glimpse into Tara’s character, into her past and into an intimate corner of her being. Again, this is why I enjoy reading your stuff so much. To me, at any rate, Tara’s response to Dawn came as a bit of a surprise. Grief and anger seem to be the strongest of emotions, and within the family dynamic can certainly be explosive. I think that Tara was the only character who could have said the things she did without Dawn loosing it completely, although her response was certainly vitriolic. Tara’s sharing of the circumstance of her mother’s death would be something that could help Dawn see some perspective.



This whole story is quite the emotional tightrope, for the characters and for the reader, and for you also, I’ll bet. You go where angels fear to tread. I had thought that perhaps delaying the scene between Tara and Dawn might have been better. So, since we have this wonderful forum, I can actually ask you what you were thinking when you wrote this scene. Tara, a bastion of patience, to me, seems to slip a gasket at just the wrong time. Perhaps that's what makes this such an interesting read. As I've said, just my (usually not) so HO.



I’m really looking forward to how you play this out.



Cheers!!

P















You know I've heard about people like me. But I never made the connection. They walk one road to set them free, And find they've gone the wrong direction. But there's no need for turning back 'cause all roads lead to where I stand. And I believe I'll walk them all No matter what I may have planned

Edited by: Patches at: 4/29/03 11:23:41 am
Patches
 


Good question...

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:50 pm

Hey Patches--Boy, when you say you'll "write more later," you really mean it! I love reading your feedback--it always makes me think.



So--why did I have Tara react as she did? Simple: I'm about to reveal that Tara is the daughter of Satan and as such, prone to these sorts of outbursts.



OK, not so much...First, a little exercise for your consideration: Imagine that someone other than Tara had said identical things to Dawn that Tara did. Would the words have sounded so harsh? I think that we all expect Tara to be gentle and patient, and when she's not, her reactions seem stronger than they might if they came from someone else. Did that seem true to you?



The other reason has to do w/ Tara's fallibility. I think there's a tendency to view Tara as a saint. Goddess knows she's the closest one to such a claim on the show, but she's still human and she has her foibles. I think that her empathy for Dawn on the impending loss of a parent is actually a part of what made her speak so sharply. Tara went through it, and she didn't have any choice but to accept it and deal w/ it. I also think that, again being human, she might look at all the love and support that Dawn has around her and feel a little bit impatient. All of these reactions, of course, have to be considered through the lens of what Tara has gone through, both recently (all the upheaval w/ her family of origin) and further in the past (her mother's death, the treatment from her father and Donnie). Let's face it--the girl's had a lot to deal w/ lately--who wouldn't be just a little thin? I don't think it says anything about her love for Dawn--she certainly still has vast reserves of compassion for what D's going through. But she's also emotionally and physically exhausted herself and she's just witnessed Buffy have what amounts to a meltdown for her. She has a very strong appreciation for how excruciating this is for her, too. Whaddya think?



On other fronts...The death of a parent is just supremely delicate to consider in fiction. I lost my father very suddenly, and I'm not sure which is worse. I suspect they hurt in different ways but fairly equal amounts, if that makes any sense. This update was hard to write, even though it wasn't my particular experience, b/c I know that many Kittens have gone through this and I didn't want to come up short w/ the effort. It would feel odd to say that I'm glad you experienced such intense emotions while you read this--in fact, it sounds almost ghoulish. What I want to convey is that I believe that the loss of a parent is one of the most profound experiences we ever face, and if this update held moments that felt genuine and honest to you, I'm glad, b/c I would be truly distraught to learn that I didn't pay the experience the respect and integrity it warrants.



Thanks, Patches, for your always-fascinating ideas and reactions. I really appreciate the time and thought that you put into your responses. I agree w/ something else you said: that the feedback to this story is simply amazing. Thanks for sharing the walk with me.



Mary

AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: !!

Postby BFR from Paris » Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:38 am

Hey Mary!



The update was... :cry (btw, in French, "you cry" is "tu pleures" ;) "Tu pleus" would mean "you rain" :p )



I'm now :pray for Joyce...





BFR from Paris
 


One more reply, and then update

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu May 01, 2003 3:29 pm

Hey folks--update to follow!



BRFdeParis: Ah, merci encore! I would never want you to rain; I'd never want anyone to rain, for that matter, unless they were standing really close to George Bush and they could give him a good soaking...Well, it gets sadder before it gets happier, BFR. Hope you'll forgive me for the angst and keep reading!



Thanks!

AntigoneUnbound
 


Part 26

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu May 01, 2003 3:57 pm

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers:
I got plenty o’ nothin’, and frankly, it’s just not enough.

Spoilers:
Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain Big Bad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.

Rating:
R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.

Distribution:
Sure, with acknowledgement.

Feedback:
Without it, the air is a little staler, the beer a little flatter, the sex a little—well, actually, the sex is still pretty great. But feedback definitely enhances it.


This is another emotionally difficult scene. Thanks for giving it your time.



*****
Part 26
*****



"I’ve made up my mind. I want to go home."

"But what about your treatment? What about seeing the doctors?"

"That time is over, Honey. It’s been over for awhile now."

"Don’t say that, Mom. Maybe you just need more chemo."

"What I need is to be in my own home, in my own bed. The doctors have already said that any more treatment would only add two or three weeks, if that."

"But that’s better than nothing, Mom. That’s better than…" She wouldn’t say its name. She wouldn’t acknowledge its victory.

But now her mother had tears in her own eyes. "No, Tara, it’s not. I’m so tired, Honey, and I just can’t go through the hell of chemo again, not just for an extra few days of being sick. I can’t stand the smell of this place and I can’t see the trees or the flowers and I just want to go home. Please, Tara—I need to go home."

And then she understood, or rather, she let herself understand, and in her mind, she took yet another step on her own journey of realizing that she would lose her mother. Not next year, or even next month, but very soon. As she took that step, she gathered strength to her heart and then gave it to her mother.

"OK, Mom. I understand. We’ll take you home."

Her mother’s smile defied its own exhaustion and reached out to drape itself around her beloved daughter, who was now saying that the honeysuckle was just about to bloom and she would make sure that there were always fresh cuttings in her room.


*****

When Buffy walked into the kitchen after her meeting with Dr. Brunard, Willow knew the outcome of the meeting by virtue of having known Buffy for five years. Tara knew the outcome by virtue of her ability to read other people’s sadness, those emotions they tried so hard to keep tucked behind the more acceptable and convenient displays of lightness and optimism.

"What did he say?" Willow asked, even as she fought to keep her voice steady.

"What I thought he’d say," Buffy replied flatly. Her eyes told them that she had believed him, known what it meant.

"Does Dawn know?" Tara asked softly.

"Yeah. She came with me. I didn’t want her to, but I couldn’t see telling her she couldn’t. She’s her daughter too. I mean…" She trailed off, shaking her head.

"No, you’re right," Willow said with surety. "Dawn is your mom’s daughter. That’s what you all feel. That’s what’s real."

"Reality—now there’s a concept that’s lost most of its meaning for me lately," Buffy laughed hollowly.

Tara and Willow just looked at each other. There really wasn’t much that they could say to that.

After a moment, Buffy continued, "She had a melt-down in the car…Actually, I’m glad she’s letting it out. It’s scarier when she just locks her feelings away and closes herself off."

She has no idea how ironic those words are, coming from her. Tara just nodded.

"Buffy, I’m sorry, but we still haven’t been able to reach your dad," Willow broke in, her voice filled with regret and barely-disguised anger. "We’ve left a ton of messages, and each time we make it more explicit, but we can’t seem to find an actual person to talk to. It’s always his voice mail."

"Why should you be sorry?" Buffy replied, her own anger not disguised in the least. "And you know, I think I’m just about through using the term ‘Dad’ to refer to that bastard. He doesn’t deserve it." She grimaced bitterly, pushing her scarcely-touched glass of juice away from her. "I can’t remember the last thing he did right."

"It was probably a little over twenty years ago," Willow commented softly, drawing a small, grateful smile from her best friend.

"Sweetie, is there anything we can do?" Tara asked gently. "Is there anything you need? Errands, or details?"

Buffy just shook her head, finally looking up at them with eyes that seemed to have grown older in the space of a day. "Can you tell me this isn’t happening and not lie?"

Tara’s heart squeezed until she almost winced. "Maybe just a little more chemo, Mom…Maybe one more round would do it."

Finally Buffy stood up, squaring her shoulders in what Tara realized was becoming a habit with the Slayer. "I’m going to go talk to Dawn. I have to—we have to make a decision." As she reached the kitchen doorway, she turned, not quite facing them directly. "What you’re doing, for us…" Tara saw her fingers grip reflexively against the door post. "Mom would appreciate it more than she could say. I appreciate it more than I can say." And then she was striding down the hallway toward the stairs.

Tara realized that she was squeezing Willow’s hand so tightly that her partner’s fingers were reddening. "Sorry," she whispered, as Willow turned and enfolded her in an embrace of surpassing gentleness and sorrow.

*****

Over an hour later, Buffy emerged from Dawn’s bedroom and found Willow and Tara reading—or pretending to read—on the couch, propped up against opposite ends with their feet rubbing against one another in an unconscious habit. They looked up as she entered the room.

"Buffy?" Willow said softly. "Are you OK? Oh God, I’m sorry—what a stupid question…I mean, are you as OK as you can be?" Tara watched her lover’s face crease with sadness and anxiety, and her heart ached for the sincerity with which Willow so wanted to do the right thing for those she loved.

For a moment, Tara thought that Buffy hadn’t heard her. But then she shook her head, as if forcing her thoughts into some kind of order, and looked at them. "You know, I don’t think I could answer that question if you held a gun to my head—which I almost wish someone would, just to make this all go away." She walked slowly to the couch and stood above them, looking at Tara.

"She wants to talk to you," she said simply. Tara gave a small start of surprise, and she felt a momentary ripple of guilt as she saw the quick look of hurt that crossed Willow’s face before she could stop herself. Oh, Sweetie—this isn’t the kind of credibility you want to have.

She disentangled herself from Willow’s legs and rose from the couch. Within seconds, she was knocking on Dawn’s door. "Dawnie? It’s me."

Her first thought, upon entering the room, was that Dawn had shrunk somehow; that grief and rage had conspired to bend her little body further in on itself. Stepping closer, though, she could see that Dawn had huddled into a tiny ball, knees drawn tightly up to her chest, arms wrapped fiercely about her legs. As if she can make herself so small that reality doesn’t notice her.

She sat down gently on the bed, reaching out one hand tentatively to rest on Dawn’s arm. When the younger girl looked up, Tara was surprised to see that her eyes, though red, were now dry.

"You heard?" she asked quietly, gazing at Tara.

"Yeah, Sweetie. Buffy told us. I’m so sorry." How many times had she said that lately? To Dawn; to Buffy; to Donnie. The phrase seemed a fixture now, a staple of the language she used to make contact with others. Before her, Dawn stared almost vacantly.

"I don’t know what to do," she finally whispered. "I heard what that doctor said, and what the other one said, and I know they wouldn’t lie to us. But I still can’t believe it."

Precious one, if disbelief made any difference, my mother would visit Willow and me all the time, and she would teach our children how to make bread and grow herbs. But these were words that you simply didn’t say.

Instead, she asked, "You can’t believe it? Or you’re trying not to?"

But Dawn didn’t answer. "We went back to the hospital to see Mom after we talked to the second doctor. I kept thinking I was seeing her eyelids opening. I kept staring and staring, thinking, ‘Any minute now. She’ll wake up and she’ll be sorta groggy at first but then things will clear up and she’ll have to stay in the hospital for another day, just for some tests, but they’ll all come back OK and on the way home we’ll talk about Thanksgiving dinner. Any minute now.’ But she didn’t, and finally I had to stop looking because my eyes hurt. Then I felt guilty because I looked away and maybe that was the one moment when she could have opened her eyes, if I’d just been looking at her." Dawn was rocking slightly now, an almost imperceptible to-and-fro to some inner rhythm.

Tara just listened, and remembered standing at her mother’s casket at the visitation, watching her chest for any sign of movement. Several times, she was certain that she had detected a slight rising, but a prolonged gaze proved her false. She knew, though, that it was imperative that she keep looking because if her mother did gain breath once again, she would need Tara to see it and save her; prove all of this to be blasphemy. But the breathing never came, and Tara finally had to leave the funeral parlor with her father and brother. The next day, at the funeral, she did the same thing until they finally wheeled her mother’s casket to the back of the tiny church and sealed the coffin. The funeral director gave one of the keys to Donnie, and the other to her. She kept it in a velvet-lined box that was opened with a tiny hidden spring-latch.

Tara gently rubbed Dawn’s arm. "It’s so wrong, isn’t it? You know this shouldn’t be happening, but it is. Feeling helpless when someone you love is hurting—it has to be one of the worst things in the world."

When Dawn looked back at her this time, Tara could see that the tears were edging closer. "When your mom decided not to keep doing the chemo…Did you try to talk her out of it?"

The wrenching grief surged through her once more. When she trusted herself to speak, she answered slowly, "Yeah, Dawnie—I did. At first, anyway. I thought that if more treatment could give her more time, then of course she should do it." She drew a deep, shuddering breath and took both of Dawn’s hands in her own. "I’ve never told anyone this, Sweetie—I don’t like to think about it. But part of me was angry with her. Like, she had the chance to live longer and she decided not to. It felt like…like she had the chance to stay with me longer, and she decided not to. And I know that’s not how it was; I knew it intellectually even then. But I just wanted my mother to stay with me as long as she could and it was so hard not to feel like that wasn’t as important to her. Oh goddess," she whispered, sobs choking her voice, "it still hurts to remember that." She tried to gather herself together, remembering the aching girl who sat before her. She became dimly aware that Dawn was now rubbing her arms.

I’m supposed to be comforting her, she told herself desperately, fighting to still her own sobs.

But Dawn, she would later realize, was making one of those quiet leaps into her own looming adulthood. Maturity didn’t proceed in an orderly, uniform fashion. It crept and raced in turns. Dawn was older now than when she had first folded into herself on her bed two hours ago.

"I have to lether go, don’t I?" The words were so quiet that Tara first wondered if she had imagined them. Looking through her own blurred vision, she saw Dawn gazing at her with tears sliding heedlessly down her cheeks.

"If Mom can’t ever get better, I have to let her go. Don’t I?" She was looking at Tara so intently that the very air seemed to hang suspended, waiting.

Oh dear goddess…Does it fall to me to answer that; to confirm what she already knows? Do I have to be the verdict’s voice?

"Dawn, Sweetie…" She struggled to find words, to find her voice. "Dawn, you don’t have to do anything. That’s what makes this so hard, I think—when we have a choice, instead of having the hardest choices made for us." She bit her lip, and then took Dawn’s face in her hands. She’s so tiny… "But I think you know what your mother would ask you to do. And...and I think you have the courage to do it."

With the words, Dawn’s sobs wrenched out of her from some deep place that Tara recognized; and because she recognized it, she knew that the time of words was now over and so she pulled Dawn closer as love and grief washed through her and spilled out onto and all around the slight form within her arms.

*****

The next twenty-four hours passed with the blithe indifference of Death moving freely among them all.

Buffy and Dawn had talked until early evening. At their request, Giles, Xander, and Anya came over to the house a little after 8. Tara and Willow had already agreed to stay for at least two or three more days. Willow had tried Hank Summers once more, this time leaving the message that the mother of his children was dying and that she hoped his secretary was doing well.

"Very bitter," Tara commented, her tone holding no reproach at all.

"Very satisfying," Willow replied simply.

Anya sat in Xander’s lap, but there was nothing sexual in the act. To Tara, it appeared that she was clinging to her boyfriend as if needing constant proof that the anchor of her own life still breathed. Giles, she realized, had probably not slept at all the night before. He had also cut himself, more than once, while shaving. She had never seen him look so nakedly vulnerable before, and her heart ached for him.

Every day. I will tell Willow how much I love her every single day that I get to walk through life with her.

The two sisters sat together on the couch, holding hands. Though Buffy did most of the speaking, Tara noticed gratefully that she looked frequently to Dawn for support and verification.

"Dawn and I have been talking pretty much all day," she began. "From everything the doctors have said, there’s really no chance that Mom will come out of her coma. Right now, the machines are breathing for her and keeping her heart beating." She paused; Tara could see her hand shaking within Dawn’s grip. "Dawn and I both agree that Mom wouldn’t want to be kept alive like that."

Tara saw Giles start at the words. "What—what are you saying?" he asked hoarsely.

Buffy opened her mouth to speak, and couldn’t. Finally, she squeezed her eyes shut and whispered, "We’ve decided to take Mom off of the machines." Over the quick ripple of gasps and sighs, she continued, "The doctors say that she’ll probably die fairly soon after that." Tara saw her wince at the word, swallowing heavily. "But…but Dawn and I feel that her soul, her spirit are already gone. We believe this is what she would want." Then she sank back into the couch as if she had exhausted her last reserve of strength.

"But—are you sure?" Giles demanded, his eyes belying his desperation. "I mean, it’s been hardly a day. Perhaps you should give it more time."

"But maybe the chemo will work if you try it again, Mom. You should give it more time."

Buffy looked at her Watcher, sorrow dancing haltingly with anger in her expression. "Giles, do you think we haven’t thought this through completely? You think we didn’t talk that over with the doctors, down to every last possible scenario?" Dawn, Tara noticed, had lowered her head as if trying to drown out a Siren’s song, pleading with her to do what she most wanted to.

You forfeited the right to have a role in this decision by not saying anything. You know that now, and it’s killing you.

After a moment, he sagged against the back of his chair. "Yes—yes, of course. I’m sorry for questioning your decision." An uneasy silence sank over the group.

Finally, Xander asked, "What do you need from us, Buffy?" Seeing her quick glance at Dawn, he added, "And you, Dawn? Anything, either of you…" He trailed off, looking helplessly from one sister to another.

When Buffy spoke again, her voice was stronger. Because now it’s about doing something. Right now, it’s not about feelings.

"We’re going to do it tomorrow. She loved early evening; it was her favorite time of day. Years ago she used to say that that was when the flowers smelled sweetest. Over the last few years, she said it was the last time of the day that she could be outside and not look over her shoulder and wonder if she’d brought enough holy water." Buffy smiled, just for a moment, and then rocked forward slightly as if in pain. The motion, Tara knew, would become a habit before it finally waned and left. She watched as Dawn squeezed her sister’s hand, and then spoke up herself.

"So…we’re going to spend tomorrow with her, and then take the machines away as sunset begins." She said the words quickly, as if afraid that she wouldn’t be able to finish the sentence if she let herself hear what she was saying.

The silence returned, until Anya blurted, "I’m sorry Joyce can’t wake up." Buffy looked up at her as if registering her presence for the first time. Tara could see that Anya was terrified of having said the wrong thing.

Finally, Buffy gave her a gentle smile. "Me too, Anya. Thank you." Tara thought she could see tears forming in the ex-demon’s eyes.

The evening ended shortly after that. Hugs, more tears, condolences, promises…Words and gestures were offered, taken, acknowledged. And everyone was exquisitely aware that all of these words and gestures, while true and sacred in their own right, would not change reality. They would not make Joyce wake up.

A short time later, Tara offered herself up to Willow’s arms and loosed the sobs that had been pounding within her since she had talked to Dawn. She told Willow of her anger at her mother, and her rage at Death for taking so many of the very best, and her fear that she would never find peace with her mother’s life now, much less her death. Tears coursed down her cheeks, splashing onto Willow’s breasts as her beloved held her and without speaking, reminded her of the beauty that still graced her life.

*****

At 7:38 the next evening, when the sun offered its last shimmering reminder, Buffy nodded to Dr. Santiago, who quietly stilled the machines that had frustrated both Death and Life.

In the waiting room, Willow and Tara waited with the others, watching the final piercing splash of red and orange as the sun took its leave of them.

She could only guess what the others were feeling, but as she rested her head on Willow’s shoulder, Tara remembered great bunches of honeysuckle, gathered every day and placed in vases and glasses and Mason jars throughout her mother’s room.

And though they had all been prepared to stand vigil for hours and perhaps days, Joyce Summers, beloved daughter of Jack and Sharon McNamara, beloved mother of Buffy and Dawn Summers, seemed to know that she was being called elsewhere, and so she did not breathe and did not linger, but rather left as she had lived—quietly, with dignity and immense grace.
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Re: Part 26

Postby BFR from Paris » Thu May 01, 2003 4:14 pm

:cry I'm raining!



Great Tara/Dawn scene (again), and poor Tara reliving her mother's death...



I shall keep reading, can't wait for happier times :tear



Hopefully you will soon be asking me what the French for "I'm happy" is ;)

BFR from Paris
 


Parts 25 and 26

Postby darkmagicwillow » Thu May 01, 2003 4:33 pm

These last two chapters have been hard to read, which means you did it right. The Dawn/Tara scenes were touching; I like how you show Dawn's uneven but certain growth as she becomes a woman. And your use of Giles as the voice of doubt about Buffy's decision was unexpected yet so appropriate. Finally, I loved this quote and the final scene where Tara cries on Willow's shoulder:

Every day. I will tell Willow how much I love her every single day that I get to walk through life with her.


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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

Edited by: darkmagicwillow at: 5/1/03 3:39:28 pm
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Re: Part 26

Postby jixer » Thu May 01, 2003 4:47 pm

Hello Kittens-



It seems that this update spoke quietly while in the background a storm looms. Distant thunder reminds those that have known it how frightening the lowering sky can be. But instead of avoiding it they meet the storm, only to find rain. It chills them all, some more than others, and they will need each other to stand the cold. When its over some things are cleaner.



Now all of them know, as Tara has learned first, that storms pass and afterwards you must go on. It will be harder for some, and I fear Giles especially may remember the cold for so very long.



Thank you for this work Mary. If only...



Jixer

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Re: One more reply, and then update

Postby Puff » Thu May 01, 2003 5:02 pm

You know I had it pretty much together until



Quote:
Every day. I will tell Willow how much I love her every single day that I get to walk through life with her.




And then well I just lost it. So much so that I had to email my gf at that moment and tell her that I love her.



The sadness and the overpowering emotions in this update touched me more even than the episode 'The Body' I think because it felt more real when you gave us Tara's feelings to go along with it. I feel strangly pleased that I don't have to visit the horses tonight and smell honeysuckle. Thank you Mary for a truly amazing update, you were right it did get harder. Here's looking forward to easier.



Cheese. It's milk that you chew.

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Re: One more reply, and then update

Postby Domaris » Thu May 01, 2003 5:17 pm

:rage *#)(# freakin' death!



Antigone, I love this fic even if it's really, REALLY sad.. :sob but you know when to light the mood tho!



"Willow had tried Hank Summers once more, this time leaving the message that the mother of his children was dying and that she hoped his secretary was doing well." :lol I love her lol



I can't wait for the next update! :dance



"Rock my world!" - Gia

"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes" - Somebody

Domaris
 


Re: One more reply, and then update

Postby TemperedCynic » Thu May 01, 2003 7:53 pm

A profound chapter, with love and sorrow in equal portions. Joyce's daughters made her proud with their mature decisions. Poignant, painful and still the beauty of living shines through. Remarkable work, Mary.



I've watched a parent pass away from a brain tumor. There are no words that convey the depth of feelings I experienced while watching him fade before my eyes. His passing allowed me to understand the importance of appreciating each day. What's harder is the realization that the children are now the adults, in fact if not in reality.



Your words are a comfort to me. Thank you.


More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly. Woody Allen (1935 - )

TemperedCynic
 


Brave Kittens

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu May 01, 2003 8:01 pm

Yeah, that whole "intense" warning pretty much held true...Thanks for staying w/ this story even through the tough times.



BFRdeParis:
You're raining? Ah, my work here is done...Seriously--I promise you that I'll pull them through it. Thanks, BFR, and congratulations on this update's yellow jersey!



Washi: Beaucoup de rain and tears, n'est-ce pas? I know you have a soft spot for angst, so I'm glad this update worked for you! (Notice, though, how I don't say "thank you," as per your orders!) You do, however, rock.



DMW: I totally get the connection b/w something being tough to read and having been done right. There are times when I read something and I know the author wants me to feel sad, angry, whatever--but I just don't. You turn a pretty poignant phrase yourself, DMW, so I especially appreciate the vote of confidence. Thanks.



Jixer: Farm girl that I am, I loved the weather metaphor. Rain is, indeed, both chilling and cleansing. You're right about Giles, too. He's worked so hard to keep everything together; I see him as not having allowed himself the "luxury" of a real partner. I'm not trying to diminish Olivia, but she was in England; there was only so much that she could be a real and immediate presence in his life. Joyce, though, would have represented a far deeper, perhaps scarier emotional investment. And now he can't have it. Thanks for the good thoughts and encouragement, Jixer.



Puff: On the one hand, I'm sorry to have provoked such sadness; on the other, if I served to prompt a sudden expression of love, well, that seems pretty cool...You know, "The Body" was an incredibly poignant episode, I thought, and of course I wanted to see more of Tara's connection to Buffy around the loss of their mothers. I saw that as one of the first times (aside from "Family") when Buffy saw just how deep and complex Tara was. So am I correct in inferring that you have horses? If so, goddess do I envy you...Thanks for the kind words, and enjoy those displays of affection, oh Wimpular One on High.



Domaris: Great name! Yeah, I kept thinking of Hank's unavailability and lack of response, and how absolutely inexcusable they were, so I just had to get a jibe in there somewhere. Glad you liked it! I promise that it won't all be this sad. Thanks for reading!



TemperedCynic: As often happens when I read your feedback, I'm just moved by your ability to articulate the emotional truths of a given moment or exchange. I can only imagine what it was like to watch a parent fade slowly; the sense of losing someone again and again would be excruciating, I suspect. My own father died very suddenly and while I ache that I never got to say goodbye, or tell him so much of what I wanted to tell him, a part of me was grateful that he didn't suffer. Like you, though, it called me to see each day as sacred, a privilege and not a right. Thank you for your thoughtful words, and for taking the time to write such impressive feedback.



Closing for now~~

Mary


Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 5/1/03 7:08:14 pm
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Re: One more reply, and then update

Postby Puff » Thu May 01, 2003 8:42 pm

Wimpular One on High? LMAO. Yes we have two horses. I have Jack a 6 year old grey ex-racehorse. And we have recently rescued a PMU baby colt 11 months old paint/qtr horse mix who is black/grey and white. I have pictures :D



Cheese. It's milk that you chew.

Edited by: Puff  at: 5/1/03 7:43:24 pm
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Re: Brave Kittens

Postby Domaris » Thu May 01, 2003 8:46 pm

Antigone, about the name, thanks.. Ya know where it comes from? :grin



:dance , Domaris

"Rock my world!" - Gia

"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes" - Somebody

Domaris
 


Re: Part 26

Postby JustSkipIt » Thu May 01, 2003 9:02 pm

Mary,



You are doing a truly beautiful and wonderful and terrible job. Not terrible in terms of your writing which is amazing and splendid but terrible in subject matter. Yes you got my eyes watering and my throat all tight. So many times in this update. It felt completely overwhelming. My favorite powerful part:



Quote:
But Dawn, she would later realize, was making one of those quiet leaps into her own looming adulthood. Maturity didn’t proceed in an orderly, uniform fashion. It crept and raced in turns. Dawn was older now than when she had first folded into herself on her bed two hours ago.
Wow and wow. Totally amazing and the relationship between Tara & Dawn. I love how we never have Dawn's pov and yet I feel like she would make such a poinant and angry narrator (or at least pov) for us.



I actually love the peace and stillness of the ending from when everyone gathers for Buffy & Dawn to talk to them. Very "go quietly into the good night." Excellent and great job.



Debra

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"Keep in mind always the present you are constructing. It should be the future you want." - Alice Walker, Temple of My Familiar

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Re: Part 26

Postby shuyaku » Thu May 01, 2003 9:52 pm

Wow - this update was amazing. Just absolutely amazing.



Although, I have to admit it was difficult to keep reading through all the tears. I had to stop several times to compose myself. My gf's family had to make a similar decision recently and those emotions are still very close to the surface for me. Ugh, now I'm crying while typing this.



Anyway, I love this fic and I'm looking forward to happier times. I wish it was that easy in real life - you know just write the next chapter as a happy smut-filled romp. Even with all the angst, the fic brings much joy.



Thank you!

-shuyaku

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Re: Part 26

Postby The Rose24 » Thu May 01, 2003 10:24 pm

:sob



Very painful. Loved the conversation between Tara and Dawn.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


The Rose24
 


Re: Part 26

Postby Sela » Thu May 01, 2003 11:34 pm

Such a moving part, Mary. I mean, truly. You have so many things working for you here. Tara and Dawn's scene was particularly resonant. Gone was the selfish little girl who thought the world was against her and who only wanted to stay a little girl with her mother looking after her forever. She was replaced by a grown up in a teenager's body who had to face the reality that Mommy was never coming home again. And really, I can't say that's a good thing. Still, the difference between Tara and Dawn's scene in the last part and their scene in this part is quite startling because this more recent scene is about choices, decisions, and ultimately resignation. I also liked that you "coupled" the Scoobies, except for Giles. It showed an enormous amount of unity and support. These are people who understand and are really quite frightened of losing their other halves, so they sympathize with Buffy and Dawn's decision. But Giles--well, he's long been isolated. After Jenny died, he built a wall around himself and maybe the only person who was able to penetrate that wall was Joyce, but because his fear of losing again overrode his need to experience love, he never actively pursued a relationship with Joyce. It's his regret and it's something he now has to live with. I see Giles as fitting into the whole "damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario. It's not because he's destined to live in misery, but because he makes the wrong choices at the wrong times. While he may be the least showy, and least "verbose for the sake of verbosity" character, I actually see him as the most tragic.





I notice that in every part, there's a theme. Sometimes it's touch, other times it's forgiveness and healing. This time, it's really about choices and decisions. And you don't shy away from admitting that there can be a certain amount of ambiguity in decision-making. It's all very subjective. Tara couldn't rightly say that Dawn HAD to let Joyce go. She could only be a support system so that Dawn would come to the decision that best fit her situation. At the same time, because we're seeing this through Tara's eyes, we see how very similar her experience is with Buffy and Dawn's. You achieve this by inserting Tara's last ditch effort at getting her mother to stay on the chemo everytime someone tries to justify keeping Joyce on life support. You are able to make Joyce's death that much more tangible for us by giving us the privilege of seeing it through Tara's eyes. Joyce's death has more impact when it's put in the context of Tara's own experience, her own memories. It's so very powerful.



And finally, I just have to commend you on your excellent writing skills. There's such a sense of intimacy in your writing. You're able to pull us in, making us a very real part of Willow and Tara's lives and you do so with an impressive mastery of the English language and the "Buffy" vernacular, for that matter. You also understand the nuances of each character, moreso than the bozos at the Grrr Arrgh Sideshow of Pain. You "really" get them. I mean, if you can make Xander likeable, then you are, indeed, a miracle worker. Though, I have to ask, where's Riley? Not that I long to see him necessarily, but I do remember you mentioning him at the beginning of the fic--the whole Lezziepalooza comment and Riley's tongue in Buffy's mouth thing. Who knows? It might just be my gross inattentiveness at some crucial part in your fic. I tend to be spacey. In any case, wonderful wonderful job with this.



--Sela

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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby nothingman » Fri May 02, 2003 12:20 am

Wow....that was intense, very sad and very beautifully written. I have been enjoying this fic from the begining and I haven't thanked you yet for writting such a wonderful story....but better late than never...Thank you :)

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Willow: You two are the two who are the two. I'm the other one. (The Yoko Factor)

Edited by: nothingman  at: 5/1/03 11:22:20 pm
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Re: Part 26

Postby Patches » Fri May 02, 2003 1:29 am

Hey there – hum, no yellow jersey this time. Damn, I hate when work gets in the way of fun. Yes, well, that’s quite enough of that. Your response to my missives was very thought provoking, and welcomed. I know that there’s a strong tendency to want to canonize Tara here on Pens. She embodies, for most of us, the last and best of what used to be an innovative and entertaining show. I’m not sure exactly what makes us invest in works of fantasy and fiction the way we do. Whatever it is, as a writer, you’ve really tapped into that magic well and grabbed hold of your readers. I suppose part of that reader response comes from experience, and so I was miffed at Tara for doing what I felt was the right thing at the wrong time. Everyone brings something different to the table, good, bad or indifferent. Mary, you should be pleased you capture the emotions and the imagination of your readers. I’ve actually found the whole experience rather cathartic, and I don't think your attitude is at all "ghoulish". In this story, you’ve put just about everyone through an emotional meat grinder, and the thing to remember is, we choose to come back, and you choose to keep writing for us. If it helps, it doesn’t feel like you’re maliciously manipulating our emotions. The scenes are honest and if they weren’t, I doubt you’d have much of a following. How’s that for a validation?



Now, on to this gut-wrenching scene, um ya – that was powerful. Many things drew me into this chapter, while some things kept me away. I was fascinated by your personification of death and life; that is, capitalizing the words and thus giving them titular power in this story and equal power at the end. I figured this was a safe place to start. Actually, I think this observation is the only “safe” thing here. Your scenes, all of them, are haunting and filled with hurt, and yet there’s an underlying tenderness that flows through the whole. I stopped for a moment and thought about family and what it means. It’s the cohesiveness of the ‘family’ that you have created which makes it possible to read this and stay sane, though only marginally. “Family” makes it possible to ride through the angst and understand the exceptional circumstances of each character. I noticed that you identified each spirit by his or her history - the ex-demon, the daughters, the watcher, the friends, and finally Joyce, as daughter and mother.



It was a moving read; even as I recognized the agonizing void, I think we’re (or at least I’m) left with a sense of completion. You tear things apart, but you always put them back together again.



So, now to the problem of your not having enough “stuff” in this world ... write fiction for publication, damn it – they pay! I know this because I buy, and the stuff I’m paying for is nowhere near the quality of what you’re offering to us here. The codicil to all this, of course, is that you continue to write for Pens.



Thanks so much for the care you put into your work. Your words are meaningful.



Cheers!!

Patches





You know I've heard about people like me. But I never made the connection. They walk one road to set them free, And find they've gone the wrong direction. But there's no need for turning back 'cause all roads lead to where I stand. And I believe I'll walk them all No matter what I may have planned

Patches
 


Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Grimaldi » Fri May 02, 2003 8:21 am

that was so sad :sob



i liked the talk that Tara and Dawn had. i really don't like Hank Summers, i don't care what happened between him and Joyce, he should have returned the phone calls and been there for his daughters

I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

Grimaldi
 


More Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri May 02, 2003 1:29 pm

Hey Kittens: As always, I appreciate your great feedback. I know that things have been pretty wrenching lately, but I promise that within this story at least, suffering is balanced with joy.



A couple of thoughts…First of all, a number of people have mentioned going through similar experiences with a family member, or a partner’s family member. I’m relieved to hear that this story doesn’t feel manipulative or exploitative. If it ever does, though, please tell me, because that’s a transgression I’m unwilling to commit and countenance.



Secondly, a very bright and gracious Kitten with considerable medical/biological acumen pointed out to me that the medical team that attended to Joyce would have been remiss had they not discussed organ donation with Buffy. As I read this person’s words, I found myself believing that Joyce herself would probably have already indicated that she was an organ donor on her driver’s license. That’s in keeping w/ how I see her character. Regardless of any existing proof or documentation, though, the possibility of organ donation would certainly have been broached w/ Buffy. As this person pointed out, Joyce’s age and general health would have made her an ideal candidate. As someone who plans to donate her organs myself, I should have considered this aspect. It’s an important consideration. My thanks to the Kitten who graciously and thoughtfully brought this to my attention.



And now on to specific replies…



Puff: I love horses! My family keeps riding horses on the farm, and my dad was actually crazy about draft horses. (He was a dairy farmer for a living, but a horseman in his heart.) Pictures, eh? Bring ’em on!



Domaris: Yeah, I love the name, but I don’t know where it comes from. Care to share?



Debra: I always love getting feedback from another writer. (Way to take us through the wringer and bring us back out again on "Season 3, Y’All," by the way!) I definitely see growing up (even when we’ve ostensibly grown up, past tense) as a non-linear process. Sometimes I can almost feel myself stretching to meet some new demands of my maturity; sometimes I feel as petulant and selfish as a child. (But now I have no excuse—bummer, that.) My grandmother died at home surrounded by her children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, on a warm evening when the flowers were starting to bloom, and so I have this very clear referent for death as a peaceful, still time. The hour of frantic activity has passed, and now we let Life hand the beloved over to Death, entrusting her to its care. Thanks for the incredibly kind words, Debra. Hope RL is moving along well for you.



Shuyaku: Thanks for making it through the tears to keep reading—I promise it won’t all be this painful. I hope your girlfriend is doing OK in the aftermath of that loss and decision. I loved your point about how great it would be if we could simply write our life as we want it to be, or follow a difficult time w/ a specifically-penned "smut-filled romp," to use your very apt words. Wouldn’t it be great? Hope you like where this goes.



Rose: Painful indeed…I thought Tara was a natural choice to talk to Dawn. Thanks for following this throughout the ups and downs.



Sela: You know how much I love your feedback, Sela, and this time brought an especially grateful smile to my face b/c the subject feels so important. You’re absolutely right re: the thematic nature of this story. Interestingly, I never start out an update w/ the conscious idea of incorporating some theme; rather, some particular aspect will emerge as I write and that then helps me shape the entirety of the update. It felt vital that Tara not be a voice of declaration or mandate to Dawn, but instead make it clear that there was a choice to be made. The courage comes from making the choice. I also wanted to underscore Tara’s own struggle w/ this w/ her mother—that she certainly wanted her mother to keep trying the chemo, even though intellectually she knew that it wouldn’t help. I also didn’t want to depict Tara as just plain saintly, such that she always does the best and most loving thing, on the first try. Patches and I swapped some ideas after the last update re: the tendency to paint Tara in uniformly wonderful ways, which can serve to make her a less complex, real person.



I found myself nodding as I read your thoughts on Giles. I like that a character doesn’t need to stand up and insist on having center stage in order for you to appreciate his or her complexity and depth. I really share your perception that he walled himself off after Jenny, which made voicing his feelings for Joyce even more emotionally threatening than it already would have been. I loved your observation that in many ways, he’s damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t. Yes—he is a tragic figure, in a far more understated (and for me, compelling) way than many of the more verbosely angst-ridden characters we see.



Make Xander likeable? I see you hold him in about as high esteem as I do. I like him least when he’s moralizing—a thing he has a tendency to do, while conveniently neglecting to look at his own remarkable susceptibility to folly. I think I’m probably trying to rein in my fundamental dislike—or at least mild distaste—for the guy by writing him as more sympathetic and helpful.



And finally, Sela, you get the "Sharp Eyes Prize" for noticing Riley’s complete and utter absence! You wanna hear my very complex, intricate motivation for his disappearing act? Do you? Lean closer…I forgot his ass! No kidding—he wasn’t around for a couple of updates and then I simply forgot him when he would have naturally been there and by the time I realized he’d been away for a long, LONG time, I couldn’t see a way of bringing him back w/o spending more time in exposition of that absence than I wanted to. I certainly bear him no ill-will; I’m a corn-fed country girl myself, so I sorta liked him. But he climbed out of the car at the expositional rest stop and I just drove off without him. Yikes!



Thank you for your incredibly kind words regarding my writing. Coming from someone as articulate as you, they mean a great deal. I have to add, Sela, that I threw back my head and laughed when I read your comment about "the bozos at the Grr Arrgh Sideshow of Pain." Priceless! Thanks again, and have a great weekend.



Nothingman: Thanks for coming out of lurker mode to give your feedback! Glad you’re enjoying it, and I hope you like where it goes from here. Thanks again.



Patches: God, I love discourse about characters and their dynamics, especially the characters we adore! You ask a great question, Patches: Why do we invest so much in a story? In the fan fiction we read here? Any thoughts on that? I know that the fan fiction element first drew me b/c it was a place where people that I had really come to find meaningful were treated w/ the respect and care that they deserved. Maybe it’s like watching a beloved niece or nephew grow up, and then seeing their parents kick them out. We want to take them in, give them what they really deserve. Hmm…



Nice catch on the personification of Death and Life. I’m not sure what my thoughts/beliefs are re: their actual essence, but I do think that they’re forces, that they exert influence in the most profound ways imaginable. Yes, there’s an underlying tenderness, as you noted, even through the pain, b/c I think suffering is most meaningful when it’s NOT preclusive of growth and tenderness and redemption and even joy. Nice catch, too, on the relational underpinnings throughout this update. I like doing that when I want to highlight that theme in a more (I hope) subtle way, and one such way is by referencing people by those relationships rather than by name. Oh God—just had a total flash-back to reading the Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew mysteries…remember how everyone was always referenced by their parents? Catch me, Cronos—I’m goin’ back in time!



Above all, Patches, thanks for your trust: yes, I tear things down but I promise I’ll put them back together again. As always, your feedback is so thoughtful and thought-provoking. I hope you know how much I enjoy it. Have a great weekend!



Grimaldi: Yeah, I think a lot of us are pretty ambivalent (at best) about Hank, the ol’ prick. The Dawn/Tara talk was powerful to write—I’m glad it rang true for you. Thanks for following the story!



OK, folks—I’m gone for the weekend. Back on Sunday night or Monday, in case anyone was just breathless w/ anticipation of that information…



Thanks,

Mary




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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Domaris » Fri May 02, 2003 1:57 pm

Antigone, it's from a Marion Zimmer-Bradley book, "The Fall of Atlantis". One of my favorite books ever(with LOTR and Geisha). The name of the principal characters are fabulous, imho. Well there's Domaris, and her little sister, Deoris. heh ;)

"Rock my world!" - Gia

"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes" - Somebody

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Re: More Feedback

Postby reyjawk » Fri May 02, 2003 8:16 pm

Damn! MY heart is bleeding on my pc desk because you ripped it out with this one, Mary. Very powerful.



My mom got sick with a debilitating disease when I was 16. She has gotten better since then, but she went thru a really bad period where we werent sure if she would live or if she would be crippled. I am ashamed to admit it but I was very angry during that whole period. I was angry at the world, angry at God, angry at the people around me, and angry at my mom for getting sick. For not being the super-human person she had been for 16 years of my life.



This chapter really hit me hard because it brought back all of those fears and feelings. Nothing prepares you for seeing a loved one in a hospital bed.



Very good!



Toni

"We live as we dream, alone." - The Heart of Darkness

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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Modjadji » Sat May 03, 2003 7:53 am

Another incredible update! Sorry for the late feedback, which really means I can only confirm the praise offered by other readers. Wow, wow and wow. :bow



I read this update with a box of tissues next to me, not without good reason. You gave Joyce the best possible sendoff, one that more than does justice to the respect held for her by characters and readers alike. I loved how you ended the chapter at the moment of her death, allowing to contemplate her passing in silence. It felt as if I was actually in the room, experiencing the quiet as the machines grind to a halt.



On a lighter note, I think we need to propose a new acronym for use in this thread. TGFT - Thank God for Tara! :) Your Tara is both incredibly strong and wonderfully real, giving us an opportunity to be amazed at her courage without feeling detached from her as somehow "superhuman". She uses all the empathy and insight she has to help Dawn face the impossible, allowing her own demons to resurface as a result. When she eventually breaks down I want to hug Dawn myself for her newfound maturity, yet at the same time mourn the childlike part of herself she must inevitably lose in her struggle to come to terms with her mother's death. In this, as in so many journeys of life, innocence is bliss.



Despite Tara's almost angelic understanding of Buffy's and Dawn's pain, I really liked the way you managed to avoid making Willow seem somehow the junior partner in the relationship, unable to be of help herself. Willow is perhaps less emotionally mature than Tara, but her heart is no less open to her friends' plight.



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Tara watched her lover’s face crease with sadness and anxiety, and her heart ached for the sincerity with which Willow so wanted to do the right thing for those she loved.


Willow wants to be there for Buffy and Dawn as much as anyone, but in the end the greatest aid she can provide is to Tara, allowing her a place to fall apart when she has been so strong for everyone else. You really show the depth and intensity of Willow and Tara's relationship with this seemingly simple act. Tara trusts Willow enough to let her defenses down in her lover's presence, and Willow knows that the only thing she can do to help Tara is simply to be there for her. Just beautiful.



Thank you for letting us in on this journey. I'm quickly running out of adjectives to describe it.



All the best,



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