Willow ...scene from 4.. - Spoilers

[Nix42]

I guess nothing surprises me anymore, this is just crap



Why can't they just stop tormenting us

[Kendahl897]

Sorry, I didn't get that aspect of it..I guess because I haven't given up complete hope yet. I still believe that Amber will be back and I don't really understand how it's even concievable that she could play another character..She will always be identified as Tara, she will always be seen as Tara...I'm of 3 opinions: someone else on the show will die( a major character), Spike's soul will have something to do with Tara ( cave drawings just a little too coincidental for my taste) and IF Amber does come back( as she told a kitten she was) then it will be sometime during the November sweeps.. If she doesn't, ME and their show can rot in ratings hell.....

[xita]

I don't really care how people take things, but part of joining this board was accepting that people were bitter. Don't judge people for being upset.

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Tara and Willow

Accept NO subsitutes

[Tulipp]

See, it's just obviously a crumb that they're throwing out to us..."oh, well, they can't say we didn't show Willow grieving, because look...grief."



But the bread is really moldy now.



Among the many things that hurt me about this is the fact that once again, Willow is essentially alone. Where are her friends in this? As Sheridan said, where's the shoulder for her to cry on? Why isn't anyone else sad? Why don't we get to see other people reaching out to Willow? The show made a big honking deal out of making Tara part of the family, and now....It just really makes me sick.

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On ME's treatment of Tara:
"She shared something very intimate with you. And you act like it's nothing more than a bag of some kind of snack food."
--Willow in "Beer Bad."

[BoredNow99]

Thanks Brad, I appreciate the information.



I really don't want to think about how hard this scene is going to be to watch. It's too much to contemplate, because Aly is just going to be so make-your-eyes-red-raw good.



The lack of respect being shown to Tara's character is astonishing. And I can't believe I'm still saying that after all that's happened.



But they just keep on plumbing those depths. Bastards.

Willow...It's Glenda in a bubble power, not Margaret Hamilton on a bicycle power

[Epicurus]

The worst part about ALL of this is the fact that besides the first minute after Tara was shot we have never seen Willow sad about Tara's death(!). We saw her angry, we saw her getting revenge, we see her sad in England that she almost hurt her friends but not once have I read anywhere that Willow actually grieves for the loss of her lover.



There is no fucking excuse for this. It's hurtful to fans who have already been though so much pain that Joss or anyone at ME should have cut some slack, picked up their pride and written something in to make the loss of Tara just a tad bit easy to take. They’ve known for months that we needed a to be thrown a bone but no, this is how they choose to play the game. As far as I'm concerned they can take this show and shove it up their collective asses.



Fuck them for being so god damn uncompassionate!

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

[helpful information perha]

they just bagged the lesbian and dragged her out the door

xander signed the papers and that was that



no funeral shown



no mention of her family being told their daughter/sister/cousin is dead



No clue that willow has ever grieved for tara



no nothing, not even a mention of tara for how many furken eps



they erase her from the promos

and the websites



and this is it



this is suppose to show willow is moving on



yep



a little clip of willow at a graveside

mumbling to a headstone?



and tara's name isn't even said?



guess we should be happy willows mubling to a head stone and not a pot - sigh



look I don't care anymore

this has to be said

this is called ME throwing a bone to the lesbians/W&T fans



they just want to get us off their backs and wake us up to the fact that taras dead and she ain't coming back because they don't freaken care to bring her back



I'm sorry but there is just NO WAY I can give ME etal the benifit of the doubt any longer



these people are total and utter creeps

who want to keep pissing on tara's grave/the W/T fans



I hope them and all their shows ratings rot in the sewer



bitter much - Fn yes!!!

[WilTaraFan]

I agree with everyone that has posted. ME and the writers should show more compassion towards us fans of W/T, but instead, what do we get? A big fucking slap in the face is what! I'm sick of it and visiting Tara's grave is the last we're gonna see of her, well isn't that just swell.



Sometimes television makes me sick to my stomach!!!



Kudos!!!

[Willowlicious]

Well, that just sucks. I don't know what else to say, because to say something meaningful about why this hurts me (and it does), would require me to think about it. And I don't want to think about it anymore than I just did. Sigh.



Tulipp, I declared in chat that "Terra Firma" was my W/T reality now (God, thank you for that story!) and I won't watch the show because it will shatter that reality. In my head the Scoobies love and support each other. Tara's death would have ground all of their lives to a halt for a while. Willow would be consumed by grief over the loss of her soulmate and that loss would long overshadow her guilt over taking human life. Oh, yeah, and in my head, Tara comes back (or never left).



For some reason this morning I remembered Marti Noxon saying in an interview that Willow's encounter with Rack was obviously supposed to be a metaphor for rape. When that interview came out, we had just recently learned that Tara was going to die, so I didn't think about it much. But this morning I thought, Buffy almost got raped, but, to Marti anyway, Willow was raped. Tara left Willow, Willow went on a "drug" bender and got "raped", Willow tried to pull her life together without her friends, did so, then Tara's blood was splattered all over her and she murdered two people.



Tara dumped Willow, Willow did drugs, Willow was raped, Tara died in her arms, Willow is a murderer...but she's gonna be just fine after she gets no help from her friends and says "Hi" to Tara's grave.



What the hell is ME thinking? It reads like a bad country/western song. Those people are cruel (and cheesy...bad combo).



I won't watch that show. I can't.



Jerks.



Amy

Edited by: Willowlicious at: 9/19/02 2:46:07 pm

[sam7777]

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I'm sorry but there is just NO WAY I can give ME etal the benifit of the doubt any longer these people are total and utter creeps who want to keep pissing on tara's grave/the W/T fans I hope them and all their shows ratings rot in the sewer

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HIP, you said it for me. I won't watch and let ME manipulate me any more. Let 'em get their jollies elsewhere.

I see dead lesbian cliches.

[Thespia]

And there it is folks, the last time Willow (or anyone) will talk about Tara or mention her name



Is it official? Because nothing guarantees that she won't be mentioned anymore, right?

[KISMIC]

I'm now just wondering one thing, do they show the front of her gravestone? If so, wonder what it'll say...though probably just her name and dob/etc. It just takes too much time to come up with a nice message for Tara, especially since they're trying so hard to forget she was ever there...

[Killin Joke]

Ow, fuck... I was forcing back tears when I read this (and no, it's not the alcohol, making me melancholic). Bloody hell indeed. Mum and me were sorta watching this stupid weekendfilm (on a thursday !) tonight, called Shattered Hearts or something, about a teenage couple, boy getting cancer... Anyway, to make a long story short: guy died in the end, my mother was crying her eyes out, feeling a bit silly, probably happy my dad wasn't around to witness. My point being: I told mum what a tragedy it was seeing Tara die, the crappy way it was handled. She was bawling her eyes out for this movie, imagine how we felt about a character we've come to know during 3! seasons. Whether real people or fictional characters: if we see someone in pain, we care ! I can't understand why a lousy tv-flick represents human suffering, people sticking together, comforting each other so much better, than the television series I've grown to love. It's just: not right, so sad... "Tara was the 'heart' of the show. Well, with her gone, the show lost its heart, became heartless..."



Uch, I don't wanna end these posts on a negative note anymore: going to Milan tomorrow for a weekend, and yesterday I finally got to type some W/T fic (1 page) (Exams are over: well, woo and hoo !) Big hugs to all kitties who need it (which is practically everyone, I bet... I don't mind: hugs r sweet )

"Visions dance throughout the night in the pale moon light in the witching hour" (Symphony X)

[Sheridan]

Looking at the spoiler again I can see how Aly will make this sweet and sand and haeartbreaking. What I can't stand is the fact they have put this at the end of an ep, as though Willow dealing with the loss of Tara is an incidental item, somehting tacked on as an afterthought. I can't stand the thought that this is our goodbye, I know it's insane but I want her back, I want Tara alive, Iwant them together. watching Seeing Red was hard, this will be impossible. why can't we just have her back? Joss yanks characters back form the dead all the time what's one more? Just when you think you are getting over it along comes something like this and it hurts all over again.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Arafel the Witch]

I want Tara back too. However, I was just thinking about some of the other characters who died. There was one scene that I remember where Giles is in a cemetary after Jenny died. The only scene of Buffy is the tombstone at the end; no visits even from the Scoobies. Joyce was the one who got a funeral, but there wasn't much of a goodbye otherwise.



I do remember Willow grieving. Unfortunately, it was at the end of Grave and she was in Xander's arms. But I saw that as grief for Tara.



I guess I don't mind the "goodbye" scene the way some people here do. I am still holding out a shread, an itsy-bitsy shread of hope, that Tara will be back, because I can't let go. I watched NMR last night and this morning, and I kept thinking, "How can they end this forever?" I won't say anymore, but I'm not giving up, yet.

[justastraightdog]

I've cried, I'm sick, I'm upset - but I still don't understand why anyone is upset about the scene being the end of the episode. For me, this is the only teeny tiny sign of respect from ME towards W/T (though it's undoubtfully too little, too late).



Why?



Because the end of an episode always was the favorite place for the BIG things at BtVS. Surprise, FH&T, Consequences, Bvs.D, IWMTLY, SR, TG (if you can call Spike's soul a big thing) and everyone's favorite, NMR, just to name a few.



And yes, I know that a lot of these BIG things have been plot twists, but no, I don't have any hope left that this scene is one, too.

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No safety or surprise, the end

I'll never look into your eyes...again

from "The End" by Jim Morrison/The Doors

[Epicurus]

Arafel the Witch said:

The only scene of Buffy is the tombstone at the end; no visits even from the Scoobies. Joyce was the one who got a funeral, but there wasn't much of a goodbye otherwise.



Difference being though, Buffy doesn’t even get withheld from an entire episode before she’s up and walking again. The scoobies didn't have time to visit her grave as they spent almost every waking hour with her robotic counterpart plotting her return.

And Joyce, she got an entire episode dedicated to her death and an entire episode dedicated to her funeral and would(n’t)-be resurrection.



What does Tara get? A body bag, a tombstone and a “Hey. Its me."

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Arafel the Witch]

The body bag thing always bothered me, although to an extent it's realistic. The thing that bothered me most was the there was no greif shown from Xander at all, and only a little by Buffy. I don't count Anya because by that point she was a vengence demon again.



Maybe the tombstone will say, "Died from lack of imagination."

[Rally]

None of them, A/X/B showed any emotion over Tara's death. They were too busy collectively, swooning over Giles' return, making threats to the two remaining twerps and have a big yuck fest with Giles.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[DawnsMan]

This scene sounds soooo sad. Can you imagine someone close, like soulmate close, to you dying? And then talking to them at their grave at night like theyre still there listening to you? This is serious sadness

It feels like things just keep coming at me...I'm starting to wonder...It's easier not to let anyone in. ~Buffy

[Kalita]

Yet another reason I'm glad I stopped watching.



Under no circumstances will I subject myself to any of S7. It's obvious Tara is gone from the minds of the writers, they have NEW things to do.



I wish the best for Amber in whatever she ends up doing. It's, in a way, a good thing that she's free of these character-ruining crackpots.

"Numfar... Do the dance of shame."

[Arafel the Witch]

Actually, I can imagine that happening, because it happens with my grandmother. My grandfather passed away in May after a several year struggle with Alzheimer's. My grandmother has been devastated, and vacilates between being OK and being depressed and hoping she dies soon so she can join him. When I talked with her last week, she said she visits his grave every Sunday before going to Mass and sits down, has a cigarette and talks to him. I asked if he ever talks back, and she said no, but she hoped he could hear her, and I said I was sure that he could. So Willow going to Tara's grave and talking to her like she can hear her strikes me as perfectly natural. Maybe ME will even handle it right.

[BytrSuite]

But probably not. As far as I’m concerned there is no way to handle this right. They screwed up beyond repair. This scene, where I bet they won’t even mention Tara’s name, is just a horrid slap in the face that a good chunk of people here won’t be watching.

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"There's a whole lot of singing that's never gonna be heard

Disappearing everyday without so much as a word somehow"

[VampNo12]

Thanks drlloyd for posting that scene. God I agree I feel like I've been slapped in the face, how cruel, or should I say have much further can ME sink? It's bad enough the last image of Tara was her being taken out like garbage in a body-bag, but now the final image of Willow talking to the tombstone, I just want to . And spare me that "Super-Xander" is the one to bring her to the grave, what does Joss need to make Xander into a bigger hero, because last time I checked he was too busy with his "yellow crayon" speech to show any grief for the death of Tara?



I agree this is ME's "bone" they will throw us, which is also convenient being the last scene on the show. Joss can say they showed Tara respect (which is complete bull), and now she can happily move-on to more important things such as finding a new love. Well I am just disgusted, and can't believe this is the show I once loved!

[bgfilly]

you know this is all too scary for me i had to live with watching my best friend the love of my life shot i pretty much went into shock after that i went to his funeral and was numb it took me so long after that to go to his grave site on a regular basis i wasnt sure how to let go i didnt go crazy but i did withdraw myself from the world i felt as if i had no reason to live some days i still do almost three years later i still have nightmares, its still hard falling asleep i still cant watch movies with guns in them with out getting sick to my stomach. im broken all i had that truly made me happy was him. im scared that it will never get better i dont want it to be this way anymore i just want my life the way it use to be i dont have much i do have my family who loves me but its harder then its ever been cause they really dont understand what im going though all i hear is it will get better it will get better its not its always there live goes on but that trama is always there im not the same person i was i cant be i dont know how. i turned to willow and tara for hope and then it happend again the tore it apart it was killed they had something beautiful and it was killed i just dont know how they can make willow the same again.

[Kendahl897]

They can't make Willow the same again..She crossed a line and that's not something you can get over with in 6 months to a year..But I'm sure ME will try so the fans can have a more light-heated season...

[Epicurus]

But Kendahl897 apparently you can get over it within six months... you just need to find your local Starbucks.

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Tara22]

Tara: Every time I... even when I'm at my worst, you
always make me feel special. How
do you do that?

Willow: Magic

[Blue Pariah]

A five second scene tacked onto the end of an episode. I guess that's how Joss spells RESPECT.



He'll probably be simply amazed that we're not all bending over to kiss his hairy sweaty feet in thanks. After all, he could have had Tara's body thrown in a dumpster or flushed down the toilet. He actually let her be buried!



And we can't have Willow being upset and crying and acting like a human being of some sort. This is the Happy-Fun season don't you know. As much Fun as it is seeing Willow suffering and horribly miserable, its not very Happy.



Plus, as soon as you see Willow's new and improved (ie. skinnier, sluttier, and an in-your-face catch-phrase-spouting machine) girlfriend, you'll forget all about ol' whats-her-name. She wasn't in how many season 5 and 6 episodes? With no explantion or mention? It'll be just like that!



You know that adding a new SO soon after an old beloved SO has left is such a good idea. Just look at Riley. Joss and Marti loved him, therefor all of us did too! I haven't needed this 'freedom-of-thought' thingamabob ever since ME started telling me the right way to think!



You know, I think I may have gotten a teeny bit sarcastic.

I hold my breath and I hang in the balance

Of a city that reels between despair

And delight

"Blue Pariah" by BRJ

[sheila wt]

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I'm now just wondering one thing, do they show the front of her gravestone? If so, wonder what it'll say...

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"They screwed her... a lot."

Sheila

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“Come and put the ‘hot’ in my tub.” Tara winked as she whispered. ("Bookmarks & Broomsticks" by The Rainbow Writers)