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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby emma peel » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:18 pm

HI, guys. I'm back again. I didn't expect my post from a couple of days ago to have so much response, but that's cool!
Anyway, I guess I want to rant about little Jay Dubya a bit. I think he's really been just a one-trick pony with Buffy. That's it. I don't care if he's a third generation Hollywood writer. I don't recall anyone posting about the work of JW's dad or grandfather, so I will now.
Joss's grandfather was John Whedon. He wrote for such programs as "Disneyland," "The Dick VanDyke Show," "The Andy Griffith Show," "The Donna Reed Show," "Leave It to Beaver," "The Alcoa Hour," and "Kraft Television Theater," just to name a few.
Joss's father, Tom, wrote for "The Golden Girls," "Benson," "Alice," "The Electric Company," "The Dick Cavett Show," and "Captain Kangaroo."
I got all the above info from imdb.com.
I'm a babyboomer and I'm familiar with all those programs, and they were( and some still are) classic, IMO. They hold up quite well, even now.
Maybe Joss is getting by because of his last name. I don't think he's in any way, shape or form as talented as dad and granddad. He just knows how to talk a lot.
Oh, yeah. I am extremely glad about Joss "creating" Willow and Tara, but I think most of that was because the actresses had such chemistry. But he had to go and fuck that up.
Karma's a bitch.
End of rant. :-D
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby gspiggott » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:04 pm

I saw some British magazine that had an aritcle about JW losing some of his golden touch, but they attributed it to Fireflop and didn't really dig any deeper. One day some one will. His career since then is hardly stellar, and I loved the irony of Fury ratting out the writers of Lost for not having a game plan. Especially since those last two seasons of Buffy and Angel made such sense..
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby urnofosiris » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:42 pm

Ah did he do that, what a good loser he is, with the emphasis on loser. So why did not he stay to show them the way..
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby sam7777 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:54 am

I know alot of folks are out there buying the "L Word" on DVD to support a gay series. I think that this is great if you think that it's a good show. However, I am dismayed to hear folks say how bad the writing and cliched the charaters are and still buy it because they want to support gay programming. For my part, the way Hollywood works is you get more of the same. If you don't like "The L Word" (and I don't think it's good), I wouldn't support it because it's just gay characters/creator cuz Hollywood will just give you more stuff just like it (cliches intact).

I'm willing to cut outside the white male POV creators more slack but not to support bad work regardless of who does it. By that pychology, we should have supported season sux and severed to get more gay portrayals on TV. I refused to do that because I wanted more noncliched and good portrayals. Season sux and severed has just given us more of the same cliched crap on "ER", "All My Children", "The L word" et al. I want more good gay portrayals and that is what I will support.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby Garner » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:12 am

I haven't watched the L Word as I don't get showtime, but I think Sam has a good point. Why support shows that encourage or reinforce stereotyping? Would a black person want to see more depictions of slaves or mammy type characters? No, so supporting a show about gays that is cliched and paints a negative picture seems equally bad to me, but few hardly ever judge it for on that basis and feel that just having SOME gay characters is better than none. I wonder why the gay press and media powers don't make distinctions about good portrayals and bad ones. And I don't mean quality of acting or writing per se, but of showing that gays are like everyone else? Maybe the L Word does do that, though not exceptionally well? But given the reactions we saw to season severed, it seems like the gay press is pretty undiscerning.

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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby sam7777 » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:44 am

You have to laugh Josswad's name has been attached to another project but as usual the rumors were false (from the Anime News Network):
Sailor Moon Movie News False (2006-04-25 15:11:20)
Several news sites have repeated a rumor that the latest issue of Animage reports Lindsay Lohan and Joss Whedon will be involved in a Fox produced live-action Sailor Moon movie. ANN has verified that neither the April nor May issue of Animage says any such thing. Joss Whedon is currently slated to direct the upcoming Wonder Woman movie, due out in 2007. No cast details for that film have been announced.

Really you have to laugh at how pathetic this shit is. There's a discussion link and the usual @sshole whedon drones are there being their shitty "josswad is a genius" and "firefly was screwed" selves. I gave the shite a bare skim. That is the first time in about 3 years that ANN has mentioned the shit and I hope it's the last for the next 3 years.

Frankly, I'll believe Josswad will direct Wonder Woman when I see contracts signed and money exchange hands.

SHOW ME DA MONEY!!!

ETA: The Sailor Moon live action movie rumors are still in play at Anime New Network though only for the Lindsay Lohan part not Josswad:

MTV.com's Larry Carroll asked Lindsay Lohan about rumors she would be cast in a new Sailor Moon movie:

The people behind the upcoming big-screen adaptation of the Japanese manga series "Sailor Moon" have sent her some materials to look at, she said, and fans have begun lobbying hard for Lohan to play the titular character, a rail-thin blonde known for her strong powers and sexy costumes.

"I read that [online] the other day," Lohan said of her supposed "Sailor" casting. "I haven't read the script; I don't even know if there is a script. ... I read a lot of things [online] that I don't know about myself that apparently people think are true."

Ewwww. Forget josswad. Even without him, I have absolutely no desire to see this shit and I'm a big Sailor Moon fan. Any US version will be utter shit IMHO. I'd rather see them license and release uncut seasons 1,2 &5 and re-release seasons 3&4.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Mon May 22, 2006 12:39 pm

so much for the telemovie idea - it ain't happening

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/article/16050604.php
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby urnofosiris » Mon May 22, 2006 12:53 pm

I doubt that will end the ´is there going to be a Buffy/Angel movie´ yapping. I´ll bet that when Whedon is hard up for some ass kissing attention again (any day now), he will ´subtly´ hint about yet another idea for an upcoming Buffeh movie and when that idea won´t see the light of day he can blame it on SMG again.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby sam7777 » Wed May 24, 2006 4:43 pm

http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/24/joss-whedon-is-writing-buffy-again/
Joss Whedon is Writing Buffy Again
I've said it before and I'll say it again: while I may not be a huge fan of Joss Whedon's body of work, I absolutely love the man for the way he treats his fans. The man is well aware of who is responsible for his success, and you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who works harder to give his fans what they want. He's also obviously desperately infatuated with the worlds he has created, and that's always fun to see. As long as Whedon continues to treat his fans like royalty he deserves every ounce of the rabid devotion they bestow upon him.

I must say that this is all news to me. Josswad has certainly treated W/T fans like sacks of shit. Of course, the real shit here is Josswad and the shithead sychophants who endlessly apologize for him.

And I'll believe that Wonder Woman will happen with Josswad when I pass it at my local multiplex on the way to see a good movie.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Fri May 26, 2006 9:24 am

hey sam - looks like you can post comments to that piece and they go up on the site

http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/24/j ... ffy-again/

while there are Jwad lovers posting - there are also a couple of posts from those who aren't his biggest fans
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby sam7777 » Wed May 31, 2006 10:54 am

hey sam - looks like you can post comments to that piece and they go up on the site

HIP - No thanks. I quit doing that sort of stuff years ago. My "outrage" such as it is is limited to posting here. :kgeek

After all the sturm and drang, I find that I'm not really even much of a WT fan any more. I was never a buffy or ME fan. I've moved on to Anime for the most part and have given up on US genre stuff for the most part (except movies like X3, LOTR etc). I now get my GLBT fix from yuri in Anime where those folks have a much better odds of survival. :pride
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby Sheridan » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:11 am

What I noticed was how few responses there appeared to be, I just don't think most people know or care about JW.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby WebWarlock » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:22 am

Well, I just got done reading something that made by stomach churn.

I was at the book store when I saw a copy of the DC graphic novel “Identity Crisis”. Now I knew some of the back story, but what drew me to it was that I knew Zatana was in it.

Anyway I am going to spoil it for you because I need to make a point.
The story deals with the graphic rape of and murder of Sue Dibnhy, wife of The Elongated Man, and the effects it has on the other characters. In the story Doctor Light is targeting the wives of super heroes to rape and kill. There is a twist, yes, but I won’t

Honestly. That is NOT what turned my stomach. Sue never was more than a plot device and frankly I show my dislike for such things by simply not buying it.

What has me pissed off is one page.
One page that has the Introduction by none other than Joss Whedon.
He GLEEFULLY tells you how great a story this is and how things happened the only way they could have. How sad things are for EM because of all the love he and his wife show before her murder. Sound familiar?

I mentioned this all to my wife without commentary and she wanted to know what his deal is with rape and murder. That is the only thing he seems interested in.

This asshole has one note to play.

Details are here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_C ... 8comics%29

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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby emma peel » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:57 pm

God, he's (JW) still a stupid, fucking asswipe, isn't he?
Ha ha. We're still here. He hasn't changed (like certain politicians I won't mention).
We won't forget.
I sure hope karma's a bitch.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby gspiggott » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:20 am

Well considering that his main artistic contrbution these days is glomming on to shows that have a reputation for being cutting edge like Veronica Mars and Battlestar Galactica, I'd say karma is doing quite nicely. When's the last time you heard any talk of the Spike movie , or a Fireflop sequel direct to dvd?
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby Sheridan » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:46 am

Well considering that his main artistic contrbution these days is glomming on to shows that have a reputation for being cutting edge like Veronica Mars and Battlestar Galactica,

I think his latching on to these shows is mostly a defence mechansism. If you look at BG its success refutes the Whedonites suggestion that Firefly was too dark or too grownup to attract a big audience, in essence that everyone else was too stupid to get it. Truth is people 'get' BG because its well written and well made, two things you could never accuse Firefly of...
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby WebWarlock » Thu May 03, 2007 5:45 am

Not sure where to put this one.

Also comics realted (they have had to retreat all the way to a two-dimensional 4-color world).

In the new Buffy comic Warren is back and is now Amy's boyfriend.

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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Thu May 03, 2007 8:15 am

you have to be kidding me - that's just disgusting
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Postby WebWarlock » Thu May 03, 2007 5:20 pm

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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby emma peel » Sat May 05, 2007 8:10 pm

Yuck.
Why am I not surprised.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby jixer » Sun May 06, 2007 1:04 pm

Hello Kittens-

Well, that sounds like crap. I notice K gets a short time mystical death.

Did something in the past bite them so hard on the ass hard it made them remember?


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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Thu May 10, 2007 12:53 pm

nothing there that I would want to read on about - jeez what crap


FYI -- I hear the last issue of the buffy angel mag comes out this month - sort of a final nail in the coffin if you ask me
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby Sheridan » Sun May 27, 2007 3:49 pm

Okay that image of Buffy Angel and Spike is practically buffy porn, and not even good buffy porn. Trust me I've seen good Buffy porn(and written it but that's beside the point :kdevil ) and this definitely isn't it. For an officially sanctioned product this is bizarre and the K reference in the Wikipedia description is just plain insulting.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:21 am

fan boy review of the first 4 buffy season 8 comics
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/10/173946.php

got to wonder - if whedon had all these great intentions for bringing tara back to willow - then why hasn't he done it in the comic?
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby jixer » Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:53 pm

Hello Kittens-

HIP, I'm afraid my answer would be in the form of a question. Just can't figure which one.

Because he's as deep as a pothole? Because his vision is all important since he's a genius? Because the whiny evil lesbians (because only lesbians liked W&T) ruined his glorious creation Fisresomething? Because he's a third generation white boy Hollywood insider who can't think above comic books (not graphic novels-Frank Miller does graphic novels, Mike Grell did graphic novels, Joey does comic books). Because he has no idea what was created with W&T because in part it was the actors and not completely formed by the all holy, all seeing, all knowing visionary hero WRI-TOR GUY? Becuse he has the emotional maturity of a President of the US and the eeeevil fans dared to question his wonderfulness?

Not that I'm bitter, mind you.

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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby emma peel » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:46 pm

Brilliant post, jixer. As one of those "evil lesbians," I totally agree with everything you wrote.
Thank you.
Nice to know that after all this time, we haven't forgotten what a shitbag dipshit fucking asshole Josswad is.
He'll never change, never learn, huh?
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:40 am

well stated post Jixer and amen Emma P.

FYI - I heard jw was at comic con telling folks how hard the past couple of years have been on him - that folks have forgotten him

to which I say - if you want to stay in business you have to remember - The Customer is Always Right - if you don't give them what they want - they don't come back to patronize your biz - joss didn't pay attention to his customers - now they aren't interested in what he is selling - and he can thank his own ego for his fade
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby emma peel » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:20 pm

:rofl
You are so right, hip.
It's good to know folks are still around this board (particularly The Litterbox) after all this time, and that many of us haven't changed our minds about the "third generation writer" who hasn't learned one thing about killing Tara.
We're still here because of his stupid idea of killing Tara, while he's apparently having trouble coming up with any new ideas to make money for himself, the talentless, dumbfuck hack.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby gspiggott » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:41 pm

Remember when the reason for JW bailing on Buffy was because there were no more stories to tell ,and he was more exhausted than Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston put together? Several years down the line what exactly is he doing with his creative vision , no feature films, no Fireflop trilogy, no wait for it, Buffy comic books. I would be willing to bet this is not how he envisioned his future.
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Re: BtVS/WT (Angry) Rant Thread

Postby emma peel » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:58 pm

gspiggott wrote:
Remember when the reason for JW bailing on Buffy was because there were no more stories to tell ,and he was more exhausted than Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston put together? Several years down the line what exactly is he doing with his creative vision , no feature films, no Fireflop trilogy, no wait for it, Buffy comic books. I would be willing to bet this is not how he envisioned his future.

(Crickets chirping).
Isn't it ironic!
Ha Ha

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