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Re: Chapter 15b: Old Friends

Postby VampNo12 » Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:21 am

DMW, reading this chapter I keep going back to the concept of one's identity being defined by their past. In other words, Giles saying, ("But are you the right person for her? You're not the young woman I knew so long ago."), Willow saying, ("She's my only hope"), Tara thinking, ("Which was the real Willow? The smiling young woman she flirted with over coffee or the terrible dark witch who killed without a second thought?"), as well as Tara needing to cast the memory spell with her thinking, ("She had to find something in her shared past with Willow that wasn't all blood and dark magic."), conveys to me an over-reliance on the past in answering the "Who am I?" question.



What I think I'm trying to say is that the past defines us (we can learn from our past), but it shouldn't be the only factor in shaping our identity. Here I'm getting a sense that it seems to be an either/or proposition, instead of a mixture of both past and present experiences. With this in mind, Giles has a rigid view of Willow, where her defined role is a "dark witch", instead of her being "lost" with the ability to be found again. Thus, even as Willow makes subtle changes in heading in the direction of the "light", Giles knowing the harm Willow can inflict rather be safe (ie his need to protect Tara) than take the risk that Willow is different (can change) in the present.



As for Tara before she learned about her "true identity", she had issues/concerns about Willow's dark magic use, but their relationship was still steadily progressing. Now with the whole Tara Maclay/Lucas issue, I feel Tara is spending too much time looking into the past for her answers, instead of focusing on the here and now. Yes, what she found out has an influence on the present (as well as I understand her driving need to uncover the happier moments of their past, in order to find some hope she can latch on to), but in order to truly live, they must create new memories, and look to those moments for strength/hope for their future. Though, speaking of hope I loved the lines, ("She looked up at the familiar patterns of the stars in the night sky and was reassured by their seeming permanence. The darker the night, the brighter the stars seemed to shine."), just lovely imagery. As for Tara wondering if Willow is the "dark witch" or the "girl who flirted with her", she should find the "girl" underneath the "dark witch". Thus, Willow's past is a stumbling block, and it will take time to truly move-on, but it doesn't negate the fact that what they both feel is real/true (ie need to trust that together they can lean on each other for strength to find the "light").



Lastly, Amy and her plans greatly intrigue me, and in light of her feelings in regards to Willow, I look forward to her reaction (as well as how this information affects her current plans) when she learns W&T are in Sunnydale together. And knowing that Tara is Willow's "Achilles heal", I am sure Amy will use that to her advantage, which will make Willow's dilemma over her promise to stop using dark magic even more pronounced. Or in other words, the conundrum of Willow going to great lengths to protect Tara from Amy, but using dark magic as the tool, which will in all likelihood negatively affect her relationship with Tara, or abiding by Tara's wish, but leaving Tara open to harm. Can't wait for the next part!

Edited by: VampNo12  at: 1/4/03 12:21:21 am
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Re: wow...

Postby Grimlock72 » Sat Jan 04, 2003 6:55 am

So Amy feels sorry for herself having spend years as a rat.... remind me again just how did she turn into a rat, hmmm ??? I could actually sympathize with her if she would just remember that, as opposed to shifting any responsibility as far away as possible. Thats typical for Amy btw.; never take responsibility.



I'm worried about the Heart crystal. It seems more like a Magical Reset crystal, please tell me it isn't, I hate such devices. If Amy can get back to her younger self with it, guess who else could ? Would be the easy way out though.



The Willow/Giles conversation didn't go anywhere did it ? I liked your description of old Giles though, hadn't realized how old he would look :) They basicly said 'hi' to each other, Giles told why he told certain things to Tara. Willow told him she didn't like that... nothing new there. Giles didn't get across that he really cares for Tara, nor what he's afraid of. Using the destruction of the CoW as evidence of Willow being evil doesn't work for me, there are better examples to show Willow getting darker. The CoW forced Willow to choose... she did :)



As for that phone-call.... I can't think of anyone I want Giles to call, nor for a good reason for a phone-call at all. So I'll likely be pissed when the re-inforcements arrive. (heh, I can think of lots of disaster scenario's involving good-intent-bad-result with Giles). I would suggest to Willow to get out of Sunnydale once she can, preferably with Tara by her side. Not much good left for Willow in Sunnydale, only memories and lots of evil people who want to harm her or Tara.



Tara as a burglar had me smiling. I just can't see shy Tara being a burglar :) I'm not so sure it's a good idea for her to get memories from Tara MaClay though. She could at the very least ask Willow why she never tells her the good memories. Sounds to me like Willow doesn't want to force the relationship based on old memories, which is a good reason. Besides, there are LOTS of memories of Tara MaClay I don't WANT Tara Lucas to have; childhood, highschool, glory, lethe's brahm, being shot.... sheeesh, now I've made that list I'm even more against that spell. She'll be a mess if all that comes back at once :(



As for a Amy/Willow showdown, she doesn't know Willow is around yet. Heh, if Amy steals to much power she might blow up... two birds with one stone, how neat....



If Amy wants to steal some magic power she will target a witch nearby. Since she doesn't know Willow is around (Amy probably thinks Tara is very powerfull due to her cancelling the weather spell) she'll likely try to steal Tara.... which practicly guarantees her Willow's undivided attention.



Would Willow use dark magic to save Tara's life ? I think she would, thats what I would do anyway. Kinda pointless to keep a promise to someone if they're going to die if you uphold it. Besides, in such a situation not much reasoning is going to be done I think :D



Grimmy

"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

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Re: Chapter 15b: Old Friends

Postby Big Dummy » Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:12 pm

Yippee!!!:bounce That clinches it! I loved this last part soo much, it spoke directly to the thoughts and concerns I'd had (not that that was done purposely, not an egotist, but it was still great that it did).



I was pleased with the little things in Willow's meeting with Giles, the subtle things; taking the time to knock instead of magicking the door, sitting and having a cup of tea first, remembering the relationship she used to have with this man. With these little things poking their heads through, it seems there is hope for her to be a better, wiser Willow.



And you really described Tara's struggle so well. How hard it must be to be conflicted over someone you love. Having some insight into her musings is really helpful, to see that she's really thinking this through from all angles.



So much struggle for them to go through to have something good and healthy again. It's especially going to be interesting with the revelatino of Amy's warped view of her relationship with Willow, and her take on Tara. How Willow handles matters when (if) Amy puts Tara in danger will be the ultimate test for her.



I'm very excited. Thank you for writing such a great fic.

Big Dummy
 


More chapter 15b replies

Postby darkmagicwillow » Sun Jan 05, 2003 10:59 am

Thanks so much for the feedback, kittens. You're all wonderful, you know that?



Chapter 16, "Living in the Past" should be up early next week.





SB:

No one appears willing (or able) to see in others the complexity and contradictions they accept in themselves.
I really like this quote as it conveys the root of all their problems in a single sentence, why they can't understand each other or sometimes even themselves. These expectations and their inability to understand these dualities of each other's characters, past and present, as VampNo12 gets into below, prevent them from seeing each other as they actually are.



VampNo12: You've crystallized my understanding of their problems. Everyone, not just Tara, is looking too much to the past for their answers. I hadn't seen it that broadly but you're so right.



As you say, they feel in their hearts that what they have now is real/true, but the revelations of the past have been less revealing and more obscuring of the truths of their relationship. Until they understand that, they can't work past what they don't see.



Tara is Willow's "Achilles heel": yes, Amy definitely knows that.



Grimmy: The Heart is not what you're worried about. Amy's not talking quite so literally as actually becoming her younger self. There are no easy ways out here, though there are miracles, both light and dark.



Ah, finally someone mentions Giles' phone call. I was expecting the kittens to be more worried about that. I won't say who he calls, but I think you will find it revealing about Giles' character and intentions.



BigDummy: Thanks. I thought when I read your last feedback post that I'd already written answers to your questions in this chapter, and I'm glad to find that I have. I like how you pick up on the little details of the W/G talk, the small changes that have to happen before bigger ones can.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

Edited by: darkmagicwillow at: 1/5/03 12:27:15 pm
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Re: Chapter 15b: Old Friends

Postby Grimlock72 » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:53 pm

DMW,



Quote:


won't say who he calls, but I think you will find it revealing about Giles' character and intentions.






You do realise that such a line does NOT make me feel better don't you ? :) Actually it worries me, anxiously waiting for the next update now. Thanks for the 'no easy way out' reply... I so hate such endings.



Grimmy

"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

Grimlock72
 


Re: More chapter 15b replies

Postby the vamp nurd » Mon Jan 06, 2003 4:53 am

"To love To steal. To Hate. To Hurt."



:thud .



:grin .



"If anyone was supposed to be happy in the Buffyverse, it wouldn't be a interesting show." The vamp nurd.

"He beats me with wet noodles!" Amber Benson.

"Bored now." Vamp Willow





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Re: FIC: The Dark Rose

Postby Tulipp » Mon Jan 06, 2003 10:29 pm

Now that Tara is struggling with what she knows about her past self and her current self, the tension of the divided Willow seems even more painful...for both of them. It's hard enough to negotiate a relationship between two people, but there are four here in some ways.



As you develop this...the division of one from oneself which has happened literally for Tara and magically/figuratively for Willow...I see something I hadn't noticed before, and that is that in all that she has lost and all that she has done to cause harm...Willow never feels sorry for herself. That, I think, is a triumph of characterization. She lives up to her name here in so many ways, bending but never breaking, resilient to the last.



And as for the conversation with Giles, this for me was a necessary and credible revision of the Giles-Willow argument from season 6, which was over so quickly and "resolved" so unsatisfactorily in the end.



I'll take your version any day. Like, how about tomorrow? :)

"And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!" -- Willow in "Doppelgangland

Tulipp
 


Re: Chapter 15b: Old Friends

Postby darkmagicwillow » Tue Jan 07, 2003 9:20 am

Chapter 16 will be posted in a few minutes so don't touch that browser! But first a few messages from our author.



Grimmy: It wasn't supposed to make you feeel better; it was supposed to make the other kittens worry. I know, I'm mean.



vamp nurd: Thanks.



Tulipp: I love how you connect Willow's name and character, how she bends almost to the point of breaking, then rebounds back ever so slowly.



I have to wait 'til tomorrow? But wait, isn't tomorrow today already? (-;

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

Edited by: darkmagicwillow at: 1/7/03 7:23:53 am
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Re: FIC: The Dark Rose

Postby Tulipp » Tue Jan 07, 2003 9:27 am

Um, yes, but see...today was yesterday for me, so tomorrow was today. See?





"And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!" -- Willow in "Doppelgangland

Tulipp
 


Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby darkmagicwillow » Tue Jan 07, 2003 9:58 am

Now you've got me all confused, Tulipp!





Title: The Dark Rose - Chapter 16 (Living in the Past)

Author: Dark Magic Willow

Email: darkmagickwillow@yahoo.com

Rating: R, mostly for violence, no explicit sex

Pairing: W/T

Spoilers: All episodes through the end of season 6 though this story takes place 18-19 years after the end of season 6.

Feedback: Yes! Constructive criticism is always welcome.

Summary: Tara experiences their past lives.

Magic Note: Magic, even dark magic, is not addictive in my universe, so there are no withdrawal symptoms and no dark magic dealers. Here Rack was a dark magic teacher who used his students, not a dealer. However, you can use too much magic and you can be corrupted by the power it gives you.

Disclaimer: I don't own any of the copyrights or anything else associated with BtVS. All rights lie with the production company, writers etc.

Acknowledgements: To Amanda, who in the end understood the reasons behind things better than I did, and to Juli, who kept asking all the right questions until I had to answer them.





The Dark Rose

Chapter 16: Living in the Past






Tara pushed the door of the magic shop open and the bell over it jingled, announcing her entrance. She looked around quickly for the proprietor. When she found only a clerk behind the counter, another new girl, she felt relieved. The store always felt a little creepy even though she always came in during the daytime, but when Miss Madison was present, she felt like a rat being watched by a cat. A cat who was deciding whether she was worth the effort of catching.



The clerk looked up as the bell rang, glanced quickly at Tara, then looked down again. There was always a new clerk here every time she visited, and they were always as skittish as mice. Tara supposed that she would be too if she had to work for Miss Madison.



She walked past the shelves of trinkets, carved staffs, brightly colored "magic" robes, and the like, heading for the darker back of the shop where the supplies for real practitioners of the craft were kept. Tara glanced at the shelves of heavy leather bound volumes, wanting to see if they had anything new.



She forced herself to look away and focus on the selection of magical artifacts instead. She needed a bowl of seeing for the spell, but she couldn't find it in the eclectic collection of crystal balls, ancient pottery and statues, and assorted odd pieces of jewelry. She'd have to go up front and ask the clerk.



After making her way back to the counter and waiting a few minutes for the clerk to look up, she cleared her throat. The clerk jumped up with a start, almost tipping her chair over in the process.



Tara reached over to steady the clerk and said, "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to startle you."



The clerk flinched away from her touch and mumbled "It's okay," looking down at the bare surface of the counter the whole time.



An awkward silence followed with both girls looking down. Finally, Tara said "I'm looking for a bowl of seeing. I couldn't find it out there." She gestured in the direction of the magical artifacts case. "Do you have one or could you order one if you don't?" She didn't know what she would do if they didn't have one. The spell wouldn't work without it.



"I'm not sure," the clerk said. "I'd have to check with Miss Madison. " The clerk stood silently for a moment, her brow furrowed as she tried to figure out a way to avoid talking with Miss Madison. Just as Tara began to open her mouth to interrupt her, the clerk came to a decision and said, "I'll be back in a minute," before descending the stairs behind the counter.



Tara waited impatiently at the counter, trying to distract herself from the possibility that they might not have one by idly looking through the bins of junk there, rabbits' feet, rubber spiders left over from Halloween, and other stuff that she'd never buy. It had been at least five minutes, maybe more, before she heard two sets of footsteps coming up the stairs.



The first person up the stairs was Miss Madison, her face fixed in what seemed to be a permanent frown. She was closely followed by the timid clerk, her eyes firmly fixed on floor by her feet. Miss Madison gave Tara such a baleful glare as she placed a bowl of seeing on the counter that she almost fled the store. If she hadn't needed the scrying bowl so desperately, she would have.



"Is this what you wanted?" Miss Madison asked brusquely. Without waiting for an answer, she continued, "I hope you can afford it. It's a rather expensive item for a college student."



The bowl itself was beautiful in its simplicity. It was carved from a single piece of an iridescent blue grey stone, polished carefully without any carvings or adornment that would distract from its purpose.



"H-how much is it?" Tara stammered.



"It's $1,500, and there are no refunds for any reason," she said. "If you don't know how to use it or don't have the power to use it, that's your problem." Her eyes were full of doubt about Tara's ability to use the bowl.



Tara straightened up and looked back into her eyes, trying her best to look confident. "I'll take it."



"How will you be paying?" Miss Madison asked with one eyebrow raised.



Not for the first time since she discovered the true nature of Sunnydale, Tara wondered what sort of customers came here after dark and how they paid for their purchases. She silently handed her credit card across the counter. She didn't have a lot of money, but there was enough from her mother's life insurance to pay for school and a little more. She felt that if there was ever a time to spend money on herself, it was now.



Miss Madison handed her the receipt for her signature. After Tara signed it and returned it to her, she carefully checked that Tara's signature matched the one on the back of the credit card. She looked sharply at Tara before handing her the card back. Then she began carefully packing the bowl in a box with lots of soft packing material. "So Tara," she said. "What are you planning to see with this?"



Suspicious of the proprietor's sudden solicitude, Tara answered vaguely, "The past."



"Ah," said Miss Madison as if Tara had provided her with a significant answer. "This is a very good artifact for viewing the past." She finished securing the seeing bowl in the box. "I'm sure it will be just what you need," she said, giving Tara a knowing look.



Tara was finding the nice Miss Madison to be even more creepy than the more usual annoyed one. She picked up the box and said "Thank you" before heading for the door. At the door she turned her head to look back into the shop and saw Miss Madison still watching her with a faint smile on her face. The smile broadened and she said, "I hope to see you again soon," as Tara left the shop.





* * * * * *






The bowl of seeing sat in the center of the hardwood floor of Tara's dorm room, flanked by two thick, white candles which provided the only illumination in the otherwise dark room. The flickering light of the candles created dim reflections that shifted and flowed on the surface of the still water filling the bowl. The Althea incense burning on the little table by Tara's bed scented the air.



Tara stood near the bowl, meticulously casting a protective circle around herself using fine blue sand. She wore silver hoop earrings and a silver chain around her neck to enhance the efficacy of the scrying spell. Once the circle was complete she sat down crosslegged in front of the bowl to begin the spell.



As she closed her eyes, her mind was buzzing with thoughts, worries about Willow preventing her from attaining the clarity of mind she needed for the spell. She forced herself to focus on her breathing, pulling each breath in to fill her belly then her rib cage and with a last bit of effort her upper chest. Each time her mind brought up a new fear about her spell, she yanked it away and back to focus on her breathing. Again and again, she did this.



She let out a long sigh as she opened her eyes. This wasn't working.



She was trying too hard.



Bringing her hands to her temples, she massaged them gently. The forced concentration was giving her a headache. She consciously released her breath in another long sigh. She had to relax, be patient, let it happen. You couldn't make water still by pulling or pushing at it, and the harder you tried the less calm the water became.



With that image in mind, she closed her eyes again, allowing her worries to come up one by one without trying to pull herself away. She simply accepted them and didn't allow herself to become attached. She let her fears flow through her, fears that the spell wouldn't work, that it would work but that their past held none of the loving moments she so wished to see, that no matter what she saw they were doomed to repeat the tragedies of the past, and so many more.



She let them all flow past until there were no more and only she herself remained, empty and calm. Ready at last, she made her request to the spirits of the past. "Show me the memories of the past. Show me the life Willow and I led before."



The water suddenly cleared, no longer reflecting the room but instead showing her a vision of the past.





Willow was hugging Tara from behind, her hands clasped around her waist. Tara's eyes were downcast. She was obviously unhappy about something. "Is someone making you uncomfortable?" Willow asked. "Is it Xander? It's Xander, isn't it?"



"Xander's a sweetie," Tara answered, but her eyes still didn't quite meet Willow's.



Willow rested her head on Tara's shoulder. "It's Giles," she said. "It's because he's British and doesn't understand about stuff."



"It's no one," Tara said, gently leaning her head against Willow's. "You guys all just have this really tight bond. It's hard to break into that. I'm not sure I want to."



Willow smiled. "I'm sure," she said. "You're completely one of the gang now." Tara smiled in response to the redhead's enthusiasm, but there was still some doubt in her eyes even though it was clear she wanted to believe. Willow continued, "Everyone accepts that you're one of the good guys."





Tara realized that she was holding her breath as the vision dissipated. She let it out in a long, shaky exhale. The other Tara in the vision looked and acted so much like her. It hadn't fully hit her that she really had lived and died before until now. That was really me, she thought to herself wonderingly.



Yesterday she'd accepted the fact of her reincarnation intellectually, but today she was forced to accept it emotionally. In her dreams she was always her, but the vision in a bowl of seeing was different. In the vision, she saw the Tara of the past as a different person, yet one who so similar to her as to make her unsure of her own identity. That Tara looked similar enough to have been her sister, but they were much closer than sisters.



She felt conflicted. She wasn't sure whether she wanted to rebel, to prove that she was her own woman by being different from the Tara of the past, or whether she wanted to be more like her, to be the Tara that Willow had loved and had come back for after nearly twenty years. She wanted Willow but she felt that she had to be more than the continuation of some person from the past.



Her only certainty was that she needed to see more. If she knew more about the past, perhaps her own feelings about it would become clear to her. Forcing herself to focus again, she brought forth another scene in the scrying bowl.





With a shawl wrapped around her, Tara stood in a magic shop holding some Tarot cards in her hand as she said, "I just keep thinking how cool it would be if we could get a real psychic to set up here and read fortunes and stuff."



Willow sat at a small round table looking up at her. "You should do it," she said encouragingly.



Tara shook her head slightly. "Not me," she said. "But I'd love to watch and learn from someone who's really good, y'know."



"You're really good," Willow asserted, looking slightly distressed. Willow looked up challengingly at her and smiled. "I'll prove it," she said, holding out her hands. "Here ... do me."



Tara smiled and sat down across from her, taking one of Willow's hands in her own. She examined the hand closely a moment and murmured, "Hmmm."



Her curiosity piqued, Willow asked, "What do you see?"



Tara looked up from her hand and said, "Willow-hand", her smile broadening sensually as she gave Willow a knowing look. Willow almost blushed as she smiled back at her.





As the image dissolved, Tara smiled. It had been so sweet. There had been more to their life together than the fighting and dark magic. They had loved each other. She'd seen it in their eyes as she'd felt it in her dreams. She shouldn't have doubted Willow, but she had needed to see this confirmation of their past love with her own waking eyes. It felt like a tremendous burden of darkness had been lifted from her soul.



She thought about terminating the spell now that she'd found what she been searching for, but she wanted to see more of the good parts. She wanted to know how it all turned out like it had though she was afraid of seeing her own death in the scrying bowl. She looked into the waters again and concentrated, bringing forth another vision.





Willow had short hair and was wearing a dark flowered dress. She looked so happy, smiling as she approached Tara. Tara was sitting at a table piled with presents talking to a girl in a party hat. Willow asked "My dance?" then took her by the hand and led her out to the dance floor where she wrapped her arms around Tara's waist. Tara placed hers comfortably on Willow's shoulders. Willow asked, "Good birthday?"



"Best birthday!" Tara said with a smile.



"I still can't believe you didn't tell me about your family and all that," Willow said.



"I was just afraid if you saw the kind of people like him from you wouldn't want to be near me," Tara said wistfully. She looked into Willow's eyes for the support and love she hoped was there.



"See, that's where you're a dummy," Willow said seriously. She swallowed and paused a moment before continuing. "I think about what you grew up with and then I look at what you are ... it makes me proud ... it makes me love you more."



"Every time I ..." Tara said. She closed her eyes and breathed deeply, "Even at my worst, you always make me feel special." Willow smiled at her words. "How do you do that?"



"Magic!" Willow answered, beaming at her.



They rested their heads on each other's shoulders then pulled each other closer, each girl holding the other tightly. Then they slowly floated up until they were several feet above the dance floor, aware of nothing but each other.





Tara felt warm inside as the vision finished with the image of them in each other's arms feeling completely content as they floated above the dance floor. She couldn't stop herself from smiling. It had been so wonderful. She wondered if she and Willow would float too if they slow danced together. She'd never been that interested in dancing, always feeling like everyone was watching her awkwardness, but with Willow she could forget the world and perhaps they would float together.



In the vision Willow had seemed serene, completely at peace with herself and her love for Tara. Seeing her that way was bittersweet for Tara because she had never seen Willow like that with her. Her Willow was calm and controlled but never at peace with herself or the world. She was wary and melancholy, wounded soul-deep by a death that happened almost twenty years ago. Her death. Still, Willow was changing. She couldn't imagine flirting over coffee with the black-clad witch she'd first met in the graveyard.



Tara had to be patient, and she was willing to wait if she could have what she had seen today. She didn't have to be patient with the vision though. She could see more now.





Tara sat beside a flannel-clad Willow on a bed in a university dorm room. A young girl with beautiful long brown hair sat beside them. Tara wore pajamas and had a cast over her right hand. A blonde girl in a black leather jacket sat on a chair beside the bed and handed Willow a sandwich. "Chicken salad?"



"Right here." Willow took a sandwich from her.



The blonde dug into a white bag, taking out more sandwiches. "Eggplant, that's me. Salami with ..." She wrinkled her nose. "Ew, peanut butter. Dawn." She handed that sandwich to the brown haired girl.



"Yeah, like eggplant is normal," Dawn said. She teased the blonde, "It's what - half egg, half plant? That's just unnatural."



"What's Tara got?" Willow asked.



"I got her tuna. Does she like ..." Dawn said to Willow. She looked at Tara and gently asked, "Tara, you like tuna?"



Tara looked panicked at Dawn's offer, saying, "Plastic and their six sisters. Six sick sisters." She looked pleadingly at Willow as if begging her to be saved from the tuna, "Willow?"



"It's okay," Willow reassured her. "We'll just start a little slow today." She asked the blonde girl, "Buffy, can I have that?" Buffy handed her a plastic spoon and a small container of applesauce. "Here you go," she said to Tara and began spoon feeding her the applesauce. "That's my girl." Tara's teeth clacked on the spoon, but she seemed comforted by the applesauce.



"Can I help?" Dawn asked. Willow nodded and handed her the container and spoon. Tara looked at Willow for a moment, an expression of inchoate longing on her face as if she wanted desperately to express something significant but was too lost to know even her own feelings. Then it was gone, whatever the momentary feeling had been, and she turned to face Dawn, who began feeding her more applesauce.



"What are you going to need?" Buffy asked.



"I don't know ..." Willow said. "They gave me a lot of stuff to keep her calm. They said I might have to restrain her at night, but sometimes she's fine, she looks at me and she's fine."



"I'm sorry I couldn't ..." Buffy said.



"It's okay. I can do this," Willow said. "I'm gonna take care of her. Even if she never ..." Willow broke off a moment then finished, "She's my girl."



Buffy reached out to stroke Dawn's hair and said, "I understand."



"I know you do," Willow said. She smiled and looked at Tara, saying "Hear that, baby? You're my always." Then she kissed Tara on the forehead. Tara smiled like a happy baby as she leaned into the kiss.





Tara shuddered. It was horrifying, seeing what she become after the Hellgod brain-sucked her. Her vacant expression. The irrational fears. A lost expression that might have been a cry for help from the depths of her mind.



Yet at the same time it was wonderful seeing Willow standing by her no matter what. Despite how lost she had been, she still had Willow, and she still had known that when she known nothing else. Willow had taken care of her when she couldn't take care of herself and hadn't given up on her even after she died.



She thought that Buffy must be the Slayer, the one whose name Willow and Giles could never quite say. She thought she knew why Giles couldn't talk about her. Every Slayer-Watcher relationship ended in death. It had to be difficult training someone and becoming close to them, knowing that no matter how well you prepared her, she would always eventually fail. Yet Giles had the courage to begin the process again with Spirit. She was less certain why Willow couldn't talk about Buffy. She knew that they were friends, but there was something more there that she hadn't seen yet.



Tara wasn't sure who Dawn was. She had some type of close relationship with the Slayer, but Tara couldn't tell from the vision what exactly it was. Clearly she knew Tara well too, but Willow had never mentioned Dawn's name. She suddenly wondered if Dawn was still alive. Perhaps Giles could tell her. She'd like to meet someone from her past who was neutral about Willow as Giles was not, yet who was also less haunted by the dark times as Willow was.



Storing that thought away carefully for later perusal, Tara focused on the scrying bowl again and brought forth a new scene.





"Are you worried?" Tara asked in a soft, gentle voice as she took off her robe, revealing a simple white sleeping shirt underneath.



"Worried? Tara, it worked fine," Willow said, rubbing lotion into her arms. She was wearing a pink tank top with a picture of something tropical. "It's all good." She turned away from Tara.



Tara turned down the covers and sat on the bed. "Hey Will, this is me. It doesn't have to be good and fine. This is the room where you don't have to be brave. I still love you," Tara said earnestly. "If you're worried, you can be worried."



"Well, I'm not unworried," Willow said, but the signs of distress in her movements and face showed that her worries went deeper than that. As she closed the door to the room, she continued, "What happened, that was intense. That's gotta change you." She turned out the lights and got into bed beside Tara. "When Angel came back, Buffy said he was wild like an animal." Her voice clearly showed that she was deeply worried about how Buffy came back.



Tara looked over from her pillow and said, "Buffy is not like that."



"Yeah," Willow answered, but didn't sound convinced.



"But?" Tara said.



Willow smiled and said, "She's kind of noisy up here tonight, you know?" Despite the smile, her face clearly showed how worried and stressed she was.



"Yeah," Tara said in a soft voice then placed her head on Willow's shoulder and snuggled close, asking, "Is this better?"



Willow smiled broadly, gently holding Tara's arm which was wrapped around her chest. Tenderly stroking Tara's arm, Willow said, "Yeah. I think it makes things quieter in here," but the signs of worry remained on her face. Despite what she'd accomplished, Willow looked small and frail in Tara's arms.





This vision was an important one for Tara. It was the first time she'd seen that she had comforted and supported Willow instead of being the one to be comforted herself. She felt like the junior partner in their relationship, and the visions hadn't contradicted that idea until now.



Willow seemed so strong and so smart, even in the past, that Tara hadn't been sure that Willow had ever needed her support or anyone else's for that matter. She also hadn't been sure if Willow could accept comfort from someone else if she did need it. Even in the past life Willow had to be asked to show her vulnerability, but when Tara had asked her she hadn't hesitated to let her in.



Tara was unsure if they'd reached the point in their relationship where Willow could let her in that easily yet ... again. It was difficult to know what words to use about their relationship. Was it one continuous whole from Willow's point of view with her no different from the old Tara or was it two separate relationships bridged by Willow's memories of the past?



Even if Tara had all those memories fresh in her mind, Willow was a different person today. She was warier and less open. It couldn't be the same. What had happened over the years to change her? She had lost Tara, but there was more to it than that. Those lonely years left their mark on Willow, but Tara didn't know how or why.



As she looked into the clear water, Tara realized that she could find out. She had enough of the connection with Willow to look into her past too. Was it the right thing to do though? Even looking at her own past life sometimes felt like voyeurism.



Still, Willow knew so much about her and she knew so little about Willow. What she'd learned in the past few days only showed her how much there was that she didn't know about Willow. A few glimpses of Willow's past might help more than it would hurt. She focused on the still waters again, attempting to bring forth an image of Willow's past.





Tara, her face peaceful, lay unmoving in the coffin. They had dressed her in a simple, yet elegant, white gown. Her eyes were closed and her hands were folded across her waist. Her long, beautiful hair was spread across the pillow. She looked like she was simply asleep, waiting for her princess to wake her with a kiss.



Willow was dressed formally, but there was no trace of peace on her grief-stricken face. She hesitantly reached out to caress Tara's smooth cheek. "Forgive me," she whispered as her tears began falling. She wiped them away with her sleeve, but they were quickly replaced by others. Soon she was sobbing so hard that she couldn't stand. Collapsing to the floor, she still held on to the coffin with one hand as if it were the only thing keeping her afloat in a sea of grief. "Tara!" she cried in desperate need.



Long minutes later when the flow of tears began to slow, Willow stood back up. She bent over the coffin and kissed Tara's cold lips. Though still marked with grief, her face was full of resolve as she whispered to Tara, "I'll bring you back. I promise."





Tara pulled away from the scrying bowl, her own eyes beginning to tear. She wanted to take some time to recover, but the image in the water shimmered and changed without her direction, showing her a new vision.





Willow stood at an archway that opened in an ancient, huge wall built of cyclopean stones. She was dressed all in black, jeans and a long-sleeved shirt, her short red hair providing the only note of color. Her eyes were already pools of inky blackness.



Under the archway were two metal gates, each adorned with carved skulls. A tiny ancient man dressed in rotting black formal clothes stood in the gateway. "Welcome to the necropolis," he said.



"I've come for my dead," Willow said. She stood unmoving as the wind howled and tore at the thin fabric of her shirt.



"Then enter, but be warned," he said. "The city's ancient, but it changes like a living thing. It cannot be mapped. You may not find what you seek and in the end you may lose even yourself."



"That doesn't matter," Willow said in a dead voice, barely audible above the wind. The ancient man opened the gates, and Willow strode through them, disappearing into the darkness beyond.





As the vision of the necropolis faded, it was immediately replaced by a new one. Tara realized that she no longer held control of the spell, but before she could worry she was drawn into this new image of the past.





Willow stood in a garden on top of a skyscraper, looking out over the city below her. She was wearing an ankle-length robe of pure black that rippled in the wind and her red hair fell to her shoulder blades.



She turned to see the approach of an inhumanly beautiful woman, her long golden hair flowing behind her like a cape. She wore a white robe with a wide, gold belt decorated with intricate Celtic knotwork. The only flaw to mar her perfection was the utter blackness of her eyes. She reached out with one flawless hand to cup Willow's cheek gently as she asked, "Have you thought about my proposal?"



Willow gazed back into eyes whose darkness matched her own without saying anything.



"All of heaven and earth," the beauty said, spreading her arms. "All of heaven and earth," she repeated slowly as she brought her arms down. "Together, we could have the world."



"But not Tara," Willow whispered.



The woman's beautiful face twisted into an expression of fury as she advanced on Willow menacingly.





Tara wondered who the woman was and how Willow met her. She'd never been confident about her own appearance, but even if she had been no one she'd ever seen compared to the woman in the vision. Then the image shifted again drawing her attention back to the water.





Willow stood frozen, dressed in the black leathers in which Tara had first seen her, her hair longer than in the previous vision. She was staring into a huge floor to ceiling mirror, but it did not reflect the room behind her or even Willow herself. Instead, standing in the center of the mirror was Tara, dressed in the same elegant white gown that she had been buried in.



The Tara in the mirror smiled broadly at Willow and opened her arms. "Come to me, love," she said. "Come to me."



Willow reached out to the mirror and touched the image of Tara's fingers. "Tara," she whispered. "Is it really you?"



"It's me," the figure in the mirror said in a terrible croaking voice. Its flesh fell away in rotting chunks as it reached out of the mirror with skeletal arms to pull Willow in.





Tara jerked her face away from the surface of water, irrationally afraid that she would get pulled in too, but the image was already fading and being replaced by a new one.





Willow limped across an endless plain of broken stones, her twisted leg trailing behind her. Her leathers were rent and torn, and each of the dozens of cuts was stained with blood. Willow's blood. The sky above was the dull red of cooling lava. The land was barren and empty save for a pillar of dust ahead of Willow. From that direction came the faint and distant sound of hoof beats.



"They just keep coming," Willow said in a cracked, mad voice. She chuckled mirthlessly then coughed and spat blood. It hissed as it struck the hot stones. "Tara," she whispered. "I don't think I'm gonna make it." She stumbled and fell on to one knee and hand as the approaching demons came ever closer.





That was no place on earth Tara realized. As she wondered how Willow made it out of that hell, the images began rushing forth faster and faster, showing her ever shorter glimpses of Willow over the years. She could no longer hold the focus at all.





Willow stood in front of a huge stone Pool of Seeing set into the floor of a classical temple, a glowing gemstone in her hand as she cried out, "Find me the soul of Tara Maclay!"





then





Hidden in the shadowy trees, Willow, all in black and her face hidden behind a mask, watched Tara fight a vampire in the graveyard, whispering, "Is it really her after all this time?"





then





A slender stone arch bridged a chasm deep underground. On the bridge, Willow faced the spectral form of a short, slender woman who glowed with an unholy emerald light. Turning towards her, the spectre revealed a beautiful face framed by short pale hair. As if it knew her well, the dark spirit grinned and said, "Welcome home, Willow."





Tara almost recognized the figure but the image fleeted away to be replaced by a new one.





Dressed in her black leathers, Willow stood in a dark cavern gazing into Tara's eyes as a torrent of green fire rushed towards them. As they embraced, a sea of brighness came into being, encircling the two witches. They continued to kiss, heedless of inferno of emerald flames that howled its fury all around them.





The water in the scrying bowl began to bubble and hiss as a new image appeared.





Tara knelt beside Willow, looking up at her face. Her eyes were gloriously green without any hint of darkness. A terrible yet familiar voice said, "The spell is complete," and a crossbow raised into view.





The water hissed furiously as it showed her one final image.





A black crossbow bolt, its head etched with runes the color of the dried blood, sped towards Willow's heart.





With a huge cracking sound the bowl shattered, and Tara was thrown out of the protective circle by the force of the spell's destructive collapse. Her blouse was soaked, and shards of wet blue stone were scattered everywhere, but she was physically unharmed. After a long moment to regain her composure, Tara sat up and surveyed the wreckage in the darkness.



What had happened? She should have broken the spell when she first realized that she'd lost control, but she had been too lost in Willow's past to do that. Still, a seeing spell shouldn't end explosively no matter how little control she had over it.



Underneath her surface calm, Tara was filled with a tumult of conflicting emotions. Her worries about the spell were the least of them. While she felt sorrow for what Willow had gone through with her death, she was also jealous of that beautiful woman she'd seen touching Willow with such intimacy. Who was she and what had been Willow's relationship with her?



Then there was her fear for what Willow had gone through on her quest. There was the terrible dark resurrection of herself, but worse was seeing Willow at the end of all her strength and determination when she seemed to have nothing left to give. She could hardly comprehend the amount of strength it had taken for Willow to get back up after all the hurts she had sustained.



There was also hope. Willow had come out of that terrible hell and found her. Then the two of them faced the darkness together in the future. Willow's eyes green, empty of the darkness that had been there so long. She would give so much to see that.



Finally, what remained was despair. She had seen Willow's death in the completion of a deadly spell, and a crossbow bolt carrying its malevolence towards Willow's heart while Tara knelt by her side, helpless to change its course.



Tara wrapped her arms around her body, hugging herself in the darkness. She couldn't bear to lose Willow just as she found her again. She began to sob quietly, rocking herself back and forth. Before she became lost in her pain, she remembered how Willow had taken care of her when she was lost in her mind and that she hadn't given up on Tara no matter what.



Wiping her tears away, she thought about how she had been there to comfort and hold Willow when she had been fragile and needed shelter. Willow needed her. In both past and future.



Tara slowly stood up, the sorrow and understanding on her face mingling with a new, deep sense of resolve.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

Edited by: darkmagicwillow at: 1/7/03 9:47:39 am
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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby yana » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:01 am



Well, that was interesting. Liked the exploding $1,500 bowl. :) Not really liking the bit with the crossbow bolt, though!



Great chapter. Some of those images of Willow's past after Tara's death were rather creepy. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that Willow went through some dark times in the past 20 years, but to have such graphic examples is something quite different.



Yana

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Re: FIC: The Dark Rose

Postby frumpycat » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:47 am

Great update. Phew. I really loved the past and future scenes from the scrying bowl. It really gave weight to how tough Willow has become and what made her get there.



Not just disappointments but moments of great peril (loved the mirror and demon world scenes especially).



I just hope Amy didn't tinker with the future visions to lead Tara down a path destined to make the bad parts come true.



Phew. Great update, I can't wait to read your next post....

Edited by: frumpycat at: 1/7/03 9:48:42 am
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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Tue Jan 07, 2003 12:57 pm

DMW--What a powerful chapter! You selected your seeing bowl scenes very well, I think, b/c they give such a good overview of our girls' relationship. I like that you included Tara comforting Willow in their bedroom b/c, as Tara now realizes, it was an equal partnership. The vignettes also gave Tara (and us) such irrefutable evidence of the lengths to which Willow had gone to bring her back, and the almost indescribable perseverance she showed. She also turned her back on a creature who obviously possessed incredible beauty and power, all b/c it didn't include Tara.



Tara's questions, too, seem profound: how much does Willow love her? How is she similar to and different from the original Tara? How irrevocably has Willow changed? It's deep stuff, and an absolute joy to fall into.



This was just a fantastically important chapter, I think, and you gave it to us at the perfect time.



And store-manager Amy? I think she worked at the bursar's office at my undergraduate university...



I'm so enjoying this!

Mary

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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby Insanity » Tue Jan 07, 2003 1:08 pm

WOW!!

This was really great.

Interesting what happend to Willow in the past and what (maybe) will happen in the future.

soo, 1500$ blowing in the wind...bút I think, it's worth it..



So...let's see, what will happen next.



Insanity

"Nobody messes with my girl!" Tara, Bargaining

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....

Postby Rane018 » Tue Jan 07, 2003 1:11 pm

wow... :thud



i, uh, cant think of anything else to say right now. you know how much i adore this fic, dmw. i'll email you later. hehe...

"We're forgetting about the troll.
Let's pay attention to the troll." Tara, Triangle

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Chapter 16 replies

Postby darkmagicwillow » Tue Jan 07, 2003 1:58 pm

Lovely kitteny feedback is a good way to start the afternoon...



yana: Glad you liked the dark visions of Willow's past. They were one of my favorite parts to write. And who would that be with the crossbow whose voice Tara almost recognizes? Hmmm...



frumpycat: Good to see you back here. I think the demon world is the scariest to me ... and people wanted to know what happened after Willow opened the gate in that flashback many chapters ago. Well, this is it, or at least part of it.



Ah, the future? Can Tara trust it or not? Is it malleable even if she can?



Antigone: I'm glad the selection of W/T scenes worked for you; I should thank Amanda again for her research in helping me finding revealing W/T scenes. I always forget stuff in the acknowledgements. Betas rock.



You picked up on one of the most important choices Willow was offered: to have a relationship that would have fit her life at that time so well or to continue on what must have seemed like an almost hopeless quest for Tara.



Insanity: I think it was worth it too, and not just for the knowledge Tara gained.



Rane: Ooh, I *thudded* you. Coolness. And email. I can always use more email from you, sweetie.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: ....

Postby Tulipp » Tue Jan 07, 2003 2:34 pm

Yes, yes, yes.



This has always been one of my favorite chapters, as are all chapters with glimpses into Willow's past. I love seeing this unfolding of a life....we keep seeing more pain, more darkness, but it's important too to see how many ways Willow tried, how much she went through, to get Tara back. That vision of Willow standing with the woman in white....god, it's chilling.



But for me....yes, yes, yes to the changes at the beginning of the seeing bowl scene...the verbs, the slow description of Tara trying to concentrate and then trying again, letting all her fears and thoughts flow out of her....just yes. It was an entirely new experience for me to read that scene this time: it was so rich.



Beautifully done again.

"And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!" -- Willow in "Doppelgangland

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Re: Chapter 16 replies

Postby LeatherQueen » Tue Jan 07, 2003 2:46 pm

Ah, yes... the bowl of seeing chapter. Lovely. :) It's like a long hall of mirrors, with Tara walking down a hall seeing one image after another of herself. I imagine the poor thing was rather drained after this experience.



And now that I've read this again... I've had another of my thoughts that I'll have to email you about. Just a little something that finagled my thoughts into a question. :D I know... you must be thrilled when you hear that. ;)





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Re: ....

Postby SilverWingedNemesis » Tue Jan 07, 2003 3:20 pm

OH WOW!!



*applause* :clap :clap :clap



WONDERFUL update!!



and man...Tara's packs the plastic doesn't she? *giggles* Hell of a bowl! *grins*



Wonderful job as always!! I love this fic! Keep up the great work!



~NICK~

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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby JustSkipIt » Tue Jan 07, 2003 5:36 pm

DMW, wonderful writing :clap :clap :clap Very brilliant. A wonderful chapter and just on Tara but full of both Tara's and also all the different Willows. I think that the episodes chosen were wonderful although I can of course think of plenty of more that could be included.



I still think though, that our girls are taking a wrong path with their approach. Tara wants to know about her relationship with Willow so she does a spell. That's kind of exactly what she complained Willow did too much in s6 and then left her for. Kind of ironic huh? So she does a spell to look at "her" past with Willow. Only maybe it's not. I feel like it's a little like reading someone else's journal. Or living someone else's life. Complicated because TL is TM but on the other hand, she's not.

Personally, I would prefer that she spend time with Willow, ask questions and feel their connection. See what she feels when they are together. Does she trust her? Love her? want to protect her? That is what is important, not home movies from a life she doesn't remember. So I find that disturbing.

Then of course the complication of the "future" sights. If that is what it is. And of course there is always the question of whether this is a vision of how something is or how it might be? But even so, we never know how to make the what might be not be. How can you stop fate even if you know it's coming. Ok, Debra's rambling now.

Your writing is brilliant even if I question the paths and choices that both girls are making. Great job. :clap

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"War may be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary it is always evil." - President Jimmy Carter after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby hermitstull » Tue Jan 07, 2003 6:20 pm

That was intense and totally brilliant at the same time.



What was most impressive was Tara's vision of Willow's past. You mangaed to show so much without getting bogged down in too much detail. It was a titilating glimpse, that's for sure. And mixed with the happy memories that Tara saw, it takes Willow's life to a new level of angst. (As good as angst can be.)



I'm still eager to see what happened to Buffy. Something bad, obviously, and probably involving Willow. Either way, I'm sure I'll be great.



looking forward to more-

hermitstull

"I was feared and worshiped across the mortal globe. At now I'm stuck at Sunnydale High. Mortal. Child. And I'm failing Math." Anya in Dopplegangland

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Re: ....

Postby sheila wt » Tue Jan 07, 2003 6:26 pm

What a great chapter! :clap



It hurts to really have the visual of a few things that Willow went through during her quest... :(



Goddess, I can't imagine how Tara is feeling now, after seeing how much Willow did / would do for her. It has to be really overwhelming, in a good and in a bad way, I'm afraid.



The good thing is that, after seeing what they had together, she will be able to understand Willow and their feelings for each other so much better. I can't wait to see what she's going to do next!!!



And me not liking Amy a bit. As usual. :smash



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"She had tasted Willow on her tongue, and she had worn Willow on her skin. There wasn't a shower in the world that could have washed that away." (Terra Firma, by Tulipp)

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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby Sister Bertrille » Tue Jan 07, 2003 10:10 pm

Quote:
A black crossbow bolt, its head etched with runes the color of dried blood, sped towards Willow’s heart.



She had seen Willow’s death in the completion of a deadly spell…
Had she really? Don’t these people watch horror movies or read ghost stories?! Her vision of the future, like her vision of the past, is incomplete, and perhaps unreliable: “Still, a seeing spell shouldn’t end explosively no matter how little control she had over it.” What she has seen, to me at least (horror movie and ghost story fan extraordinaire) seems more like the possibility of Willow’s death, not its accomplishment, its inevitability. Or as Olympia Dukakis said in Moonstruck, “It ain’t over till it’s over.”



Quote:
She felt that if there was ever a time to spend money on herself, it was now.
Shouldn’t that be “herselves?” As I was reading this chapter, I began to feel sorry for Tara II in a way I hadn’t before. It was while watching her watch a past life that was hers and not hers that the terrible cost of this new/old love for her, whose life had once been fairly uncomplicated, became clear to me. Everyone else’s unease – Giles, Willow, Amy – results from decisions, good or bad, of their own making, but this Tara has had this uncanny split almost forced on her. As you note:
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Yesterday she’d accepted the fact of her reincarnation intellectually, but today she was forced to accept it emotionally.



Forcing herself to focus again, she brought forth another scene in the scrying bowl.
I smiled at this:
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It was the first time she’d seen that she had comforted and supported Willow instead of being the one to be comforted herself. She felt like the junior partner in the relationship…
because it is just like Tara to see herself as less than she is, although I always saw her, as I think Willow did (until her magic addition), as a full if not senior partner. Finally, by subtly evoking her inescapable and tragic fate (“Every Slayer-Watcher relationship ended in death. It had to be difficult training someone and becoming close to them, knowing that no matter how well you prepared her, she would always eventually fail”), you made me really miss Buffy here, and I thank you for that.



SB

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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby deixs » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:33 am

:clap :clap :clap



I have this feeling that Tara not only saw the past buut also the future and that it was Amy being the one with the crossbow.



Stef :p

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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby Grimlock72 » Wed Jan 08, 2003 5:41 am

Tara should research (either by herself or ask Willow) if Willow could be harmed by a crossbow-bolt if it were enchanted like in the vision (rune's). Should make for an interesting starting point on their next coffee-meeting :)



She could ask "Miss" Madison, heh... though I doubt that would be wise. Surname sounds awfull familiar, heh.



Good thing that the spell made her see a select few scenes, I was worried it would just dump all the memories of Tara M on Tara L. Would be kinda crowded. As such I don't mind she used this spell to see some of her own history, it does show some distrust/lack-of-confidence in that she doesn't just ask Willow about it.



However, using that spell to look into Willow's history after Tara M died rates fairly high on my magic-abuse-scale. No matter what the motivation is, it's still violating privacy at the minmum. She should feel bad about it, at least. Definitly should have asked Willow about that.



Then the spell seemed to go out of control, Tara almost recognized the other woman ?? I think I know why....



Anyway, someway/somehow Willow's eyes turn back to green which is a good thing, I actually long to see Willow with her eyes back to normal. Black is just not a nice color for her eyes :) You did a good job on making me 'see' Willow black eyes throughout this story, so I long more for the green.



I'm assuming the bolt described is made that way to penetrate Willow's protective shields. Just one bolt though, should be avoidable (esp. if it MUST hit the heart which I suspect it must). I find it hard to imagine Willow being surpised/hit by a single bolt like that, with all her experience.. unless she was distracted somehow. Tara could block it if she's that close, not by magic probably (shoulder/upper-back sides). Besides most-powerfull-witch killed by crossbow sounds kinda anti-climax :)



It's a possible future at most though, just burn Amy to a cinder one first sight and problem solved, heh... I don't like Amy, can you tell ?



I found it funny that the thing Tara remembered most was Willow with another woman :) . Better not let that slip though, she's not supposed to know that. I wonder if Willow would feel someone looking in her memory ?



Their next meeting should be interesting, Tara will want to tell Willow about the future-stuff she saw. But once she explains how she got to see that...



Ah well, got the anticipation-level up high with this chapter thats for sure :)



Grimmy

"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

Edited by: Grimlock72 at: 1/8/03 11:54:03 am
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Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby barnabasvamp » Wed Jan 08, 2003 6:17 am

What an excellent way for Tara to view the past! I especially liked the way you had Tara see a part of the past, and then think the events through before moving on to the next revelation.



:hmm The "other woman" gotta wonder just how much of a part this tidbit of info will play.



I think the big question is just how much will Tara share with Willow? Honesty is important, but *whew* could mean trouble! :paranoid

BV

"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

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More chapter 16 replies

Postby darkmagicwillow » Wed Jan 08, 2003 6:08 pm

I'm intrigued by your speculations on the future, but I can't say much more about those without giving away too much. I hope you enjoy my teasing hints below. There's so much more to come.



Chapter 17, "Dawn of Darkness," will be up on Friday. Despite the name, there are plenty of sweet moments so don't shy away, waiting for a safer day.





Tulipp: Thank you. I'm ecstatic that you liked the changes so much there, that I could give you something new after you've read how many versions of this chapter.



Leatherqueen: I like the hall of mirrors simile, especially thinking forward to another chapter that you've read but the kittens haven't. Oh, and thanks for that question.



Silver: Thanks.



JustSkipIt: I'm glad you could still want to see more flashbacks as I was worried I had too many, but there were all these things I wanted Tara to see. Yes, it is ironic that Tara does a spell to try to fix her relationship with Willow. In a way it is intrusive to look at even her own past self in such intimate moments, yet it's also hers to know in another way. You're right, it's complicated.



Don't worry about questioning their choices. I do too, and I wrote them! One of the hardest things about writing characters you love is to not give them your authorly omniscient perspective so they can see their mistakes before they make them.



hermitstull: Thanks so much. As for Buffy, I gave a tiny hint about her fate in this chapter.



sheila wt: You're right, it has to be simply overwhelming to know that someone would do all that for you, and to also not know whether or not you're that you anymore.



SB: You're right about Tara's vision being incomplete. She doesn't see Willow actually die. I'm amused by your comment about horror movies as I'm just editing the chapter where I wrote my one movie reference. It's to one of my favorites, and you'll know the movie long before you read the reference.



Your comments about Tara's duality having been forced upon her are insightful. That's part of what makes me sympathetic about what she does to learn about her past. I'm glad you miss Buffy though.



deixs: Ah, speculation as to who holds the crossbow in the vision. I can't tell you whether you're right or wrong, but it's certainly a logical guess.



Grimmy: Which woman do you think Tara recognized? You've got me a little confused with that paragraph.



As for the bolt, lots of spells use runes. That doesn't tell her anything of what the spell does, though she does have some of the words too. Who knows? Maybe deixs and you are right that it's Amy and Willow will deal with her so it won't matter.



Seeing the future can be even trickier than wishes though. Look at what happened with Nero when he was told that 73 would be the time of his punishment. It wasn't his age, but the age of Galba, his successor, when he became emperor.



barnabasvamp: I'm glad the alternating visions and thoughts worked for you. So the white lady intrigues you? Would I really introduce another character this late in the story? You'll just have to read the next chapter to find out.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

darkmagicwillow
 


Re: Chapter 16: Living in the Past

Postby VampNo12 » Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:28 pm

DMW, quite a gripping update! Tara's encounter with Miss Madison was intriguing, and knowing she usually has a "sour-puss" facial expression, I'm getting an ominous feeling with her "smiling broadly" as she says, ("I hope to see you again soon.") :eek .



I enjoyed how you enhanced the scenes/images of the past, making their feelings so palpable to me. And what struck me in regards to the past (the "Who are you?" question) is Tara thinking, ("It was difficult to know what words to use about their relationship. Was it one continuous whole from Willow's point of view with her no different from the old Tara or was it two separate relationships bridged by Willow's memories of the past?"), as well as her thinking, ("She wanted Willow but she felt that she had to be more than the continuation of some person from the past.").



With this in mind, I get the sense that Tara may be suffering an "identity crisis" (ie the whole Tara Maclay/Lucas issue), but I think she is slowly realizing "living in the past" won't solve/answer the most important question of "Is what they share in the present real/true?". Or in other words, the past can illuminate the present (we can learn from the past), but she can't let those insights "cloud" her to what her heart knows as the truth in the present (ie their depth of feeling/connection is real/true). Thus, the images you chose for Tara to view from the "seeing bowl" reflected perfectly that indeed there was more to their past than mere "darkness and pain" with W&T reveling in their love, sweetness, and devotion. And I especially liked how Tara also got a view of their equal partnership, where not only did Willow show her "vulnerability", she allowed Tara in to offer comfort/support.



As for when Tara lost control of the spell the images truly "packed a punch". You portray wonderfully what Willow risked (the angst she had endured) on her quest to bring back Tara. And what spoke to me was the vision of the "inhumanly beautiful woman" offering, ("All of heaven and earth"..."Together we could have the world."), but Willow answers, ("But not Tara"). I think this speaks volumes that even at her most "lost" when hope seemed like a foreign word, she chose Tara (her "light"), over all consuming power (ie Willow knows what makes her whole/"complete" won't be found in power).



Lastly, I am greatly intrigued with the images (what I assume are from the future) with the "high" of the implications of Willow's eyes returning to her lovely shade of green, to the "low" of the "crossbow bolt heading for Willow's heart" (with those implications). With this in mind, I believe Tara can rely on the "hope" she has found, but needs to realize nothing is "set in stone", (ie she shouldn't give in to "despair"). Or in other words, she should prescribe to the theory "we make our own fate", and not to trust an out of control spell, (and maybe I'm just paranoid, but I'm getting this feeling that Amy might of influenced/tampered with the future glimpses). Really the answer lies in W&T trusting that together as a "team", being open, and relying on each other for strength will be the "key" to overcoming the "darkness", and order to find the "light". Can't wait for the next part!



Edited by: VampNo12  at: 1/8/03 10:14:42 pm
VampNo12
 


Re: More chapter 16 replies

Postby The Inward Sea » Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:57 pm

Oh, I'm sooo loving this story...! But something ominous is creeping and makes me VERY anxious... shall I keep reading or must I hide under my desk and never get out until happier things happen to our beloved couple?



Darkmagickwillow, you are taking us through a wonderful experience and I trust you to make the trip amazingly intresting but somewhat safe at the same time. Is that hoping too much? :)



Sea

The Inward Sea
 


The Dark Rose

Postby Triscuit7 » Thu Jan 09, 2003 6:39 am

Hey, I finally managed to find a few moments (not writing, chatting, or working). :D



As I've said before this truly wonderful. The way you blend Willow's past and present to show us where she's been and what she's feeling - that together with showing Tara's dreams of her past and her visions of Willow's past/future is inspired.



I wish that Willow could have told Tara about her past, about her personal darkness, instead of Giles, but it truly had to be the exWatcher who did it. I liked how earlier in the fic Willow saves his life and yet threatens him at the same time. Her visit with him in Sunnydale was almost a reprise of those earlier moments.



Amy - how I hate Amy.



Willow - promising not to use dark magic. That's such a scary thing: to give up something that has been part of you for almost 20 years, that has been your defense and your tool. And to do it for love. Awesome.



Tara - frightened, but still loving, still willing to trust. The scrying spell though ... that has some of the same icky feeling to it that the tabula rasa spell had. The saving grace here is that Tara is not manipulating another person, she's merely being a voyeur.



Thanks, Melissa





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I brought marshmallows!

Triscuit7
 

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