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Re: Thank-You

Postby stereo33 » Sun Nov 10, 2002 3:56 pm

Mary - I agree, work should not be allowed to get in the way of kitten board time (and especially not this fic) :) I like the idea of a werewolf petting zoo, it definitely got Buffy (if only for a moment), and I liked the way Willow was all proud of her girl, and happy that Buffy and Tara were getting on so well. Again, when Buffy walked W/T home, Willow was so cute with the blushing and the talk (at first) of having to go back to Tara's to get her books (glad Buffy put her straight on that one), although I will never get tired of Willow babble!



Your take on Tara and her Dad was touching and handled well, I think Mr Maclay had better watch out if Willow ever meets him! Finally, what a place to end :eek Worried now, what with Oz still on the loose and Tara's Dad being so mean! Ok, I am putting all bad thoughts (including work) aside and am looking forward to your update on the 11th.

Thank you

Karen :)

stereo33
 


Re: RE: On Second Thought

Postby barnabasvamp » Sun Nov 10, 2002 8:25 pm

God Girl...

The "mantage" of images going through Willow's mind during their lovemaking was absolutely awesome. :thud

Very worried about Tara now.

BV

"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

barnabasvamp
 


Re: RE: On Second Thought

Postby JewWitch18 » Sun Nov 10, 2002 9:31 pm

mary, every update on this story is just so lush. you do such an amazing job of channeling all the energy of new love, that time when it's all so unbelievable and surreal and giddy, and there's still just an edge of uncertainty. the intimacy you create for willow and tara is decadant. and, like everyone else, I am loving the way you've given us back buffy as the best friend she once was and can be again.



also...

Quote:
"Well, imagine that you were talking about Riley; and you were telling me all about how wonderful he was, and how he made you feel, and all the hopes you felt just by saying his name out loud, and I looked at you and said, ‘Well, I accept that.’ I mean, it doesn’t exactly inspire you to entrust me with every detail, does it?"


YES!!!! thank you for addressing one of the two most rediculous words in the world (the other being "tolerance.") totally antithetical to the actual goals it seeks, no? willow is engaging radical socio-political discourse here, and she doesn't even know it. yay!



all I can say about the cliffhanger is...oy gevault! my little paws can't hold on much longer! must...have...update !



--jenny



WILLOW: I believe these chicken feet are mine!

JewWitch18
 


Re: RE: On Second Thought

Postby Tulipp » Mon Nov 11, 2002 1:33 pm

Mary,



Well, I have caught up finally on the last several chapters, and as usual I so appreciate the way you blend humor (especially word puns like “second cousin akin”) with moments of tension among the characters (as in the difficult moments between Willow and Xander) with real sensuality and with an attention to language that just doesn’t quit. You have Willow-speak absolutely down, and that is hard to do.



I like the small developments in character you achieve without spending much time on them: Giles not cleaning his glasses when Willow came out, for example, and Anya saying that Tara acts as if she should feel stupid when she talks when in fact she’s very smart and insightful. I think the reason I liked your take on Giles so much was that he usually cleans his glasses when the kids talk about sex, but of course being gay is not reducible to sex, and it’s always nice when someone manages to convey that. And with Anya…well, yes, she’s always a truth teller, but when the truth develops character, as you allow it do here by having Tara actually acting on Anya’s truth-telling and then having Buffy make a joke about it later, well, in that instance, I think the truth-telling becomes not just a feature of Anya’s character but a character feature that drives the plot. Character and plot are connected, and that’s one of my favorite things about this story.



Another thing I am really enjoying in this story is coming on moments—paragraphs—that resonate with truth. When Tara says that “right now fighting evil feels like something I do to spend time with you,” I get that sense…that here, as part of the humor and the character development and the subtle plotting, we are getting wisdom. That’s a small example; the paragraph that really caught my breath in my throat was near the beginning of chapter 6, when Willow is watching this mental montage of images of drinking, and she reflects/understands/feels that she is giving herself to Tara, that Tara is drinking her, that there is a self-giving happening here that is utterly not demonic and not monstrous and not evil. That it was a kind of life being created between them. That paragraph was just gorgeous.

"And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!" -- Willow in "Doppelgangland

Tulipp
 


hey there...

Postby Chance » Mon Nov 11, 2002 11:30 pm

Mary --



Well, I hope you don't mind me calling you that, but it seems a common thing, so I'll just follow the trend. I've been reading your posts for awhile, but lately I've slunk back to lurker more than active participant on this board. Thank you for drawing me out again.



Your story is breathtaking, offering aspects of intimacy (which seems to come in layers and every new slice of that is more delightful than the next) and an intelligence that's always a pleasure to see. Your writing is spectacular, I'm often amazed by the ease at which you write the rapport of the Scooby gang. Down to lines which I'm sure the writers themselves never thought to offer, but your placing of them seems totally characteristic and on target.



I await each new update with a sense of anticipation which hasn't been common these last few months. Thank you for sharing, and please, share any new ventures with us -- we'd be delighted to see them.



Best wishes, M.

Chance
 


On Second Thought: Part 7

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Mon Nov 11, 2002 11:51 pm

Hey Kittens—A few more responses to your incredible feedback and then it’s on to Part 7.

]]Ann-Marie: Lots of people loved the W/B friendship aspect. I think we’ve all missed that a lot. Thanks!

]]LittleCrazy80: Glad you like the humor. It’s part of what I most enjoy about writing this fic.

]]Zahir: I’m glad the banter (internal AND external) resonates for you. I’ve noticed that that’s something you do quite well in your own fics, including "Childhood’s Hour," which I am immensely loving. Thanks for your kind words.

]]Grimaldi: I’m actually surprised the show itself hasn’t included some facetious reference to the May-hem. I’m psyched your liked it! Thanks.

]]TheRose: What happened to Tara? Hm…I wonder if we’ll find out in this installment?

]]VampNo12: Yeah, the aspect of Buffy (and anyone else) seeing Tara as a person in her own right is such a powerful one to a lot of us, it seems. Tara’s strength and presence just seemed to grow exponentially, and I loved her emergence. The Noxoneous demon was just fun to write, in a gut-wrenching, resentfully fun kinda way…So the tension building worked for you? Good. I spent a lot of time playing with the time increments, and I’m relieved that it was emotionally realistic to you. Most of all, I appreciate your comments about the scar exchange scene. I didn’t want it to seem heavy-handed, or contrived such that readers felt like I was smacking them up-side the head with A Very Poignant Moment. I think that’s why I tried to have Tara’s description be understated; in addition, I think she’s far more emotionally reactive to other people’s pain, relative to her own. Thanks a lot for your feedback. It’s always thoughtful and captures nuances that in turn open the piece up a little more to me.

]]JennY: Thanks for responding! I appreciate your taking the time. I’m glad that Tara’s description of her scar felt "on" to you. I wanted to do it well. Thanks again for checking this out.

]]Insanity: Oh yeah…Tara in a leather jacket. I needed a moment to myself after visualizing that. Glad to share the bounty with you! Thanks for writing.

]]Sleek: Hey girl! Great work over there on "Finding You"! The sweeps connection was a fun one. Like I mentioned above, I’m kinda surprised the show itself hasn’t poked fun of itself about the timing factor. I’m glad the love scenes work for you. I want their actions to be grounded in their emotional realities, both individually and as a couple. And I agree with you completely about the way that the show has treated the friendship b/w Willow and Buffy, especially in the last 2 years. But we, as Kittens, will get our girls back, each and every one! Thanks, as always, for your amazing feedback and support. It really brings a smile to my face just seeing your name on the thread.

]]PJFreak: (Great name, by the way) Thanks for checking this out; there’s a lot of great stuff on the board. And thanks, too, for taking the time to let me know how you like it. Hope you enjoy future installments.

]]TromdeGrey: I’m glad that Anya feels solid and believable to you. I think she’s someone who is easily (and mistakenly) reduced to a caricature, and I didn’t want to do that. I appreciate you taking the time to comment on it. And keep me on my toes about Anya!

]]Karen: I’m glad your priorities have straightened (so to speak). Yeah, the idea of a werewolf petting zoo was kinda fun, at least at 1am in my office! Hope work remains, well, workable for you. Thanks for the encouragement!

]]BV: Thanks for your great feedback. The montage image came to me very abruptly and it just felt right. I had given W&T’s love scenes a lot of description (which was certainly fun to write) but for that one, I wanted a sparer, tighter narrative, one that sort of circled and eddied around in Willow’s mind until only that one truth remained. Thanks again for taking the time to give your thoughts.

]]Jenny: Wow—I’ve never had a piece described as "lush" before…Thanks! The word very much fits how I see their love (before ME drove them, and us, straight to hell). And girlfriend, you and I share a seat on the bus where reactions to "acceptance" are concerned. My abiding response to that kind of sentiment is, "Well aren’t you just too beneficent for words?" And people say that acceptance is better than rejection but I for one am tired of being asked to be grateful for not having my teeth kicked in. As far as your little paws are concerned…oh, my friend, you may want to call for back-up…Thanks so much for your thoughtful responses to this fic. I really appreciate it.

Tulipp: I’m so glad you got my feedback! I wasn’t sure of the process involved in authors learning about new feedback on their completed fic. As I hope I managed to convey, your work just amazed me. I understand how an idea can capture us and, in our determined efforts to write it in new words or paint it in new colors, we are transformed. I would so love to read anything you’ve written. You clearly have a great eye for character development, so I appreciate your feedback on these characters’ depictions. I’m especially glad the "less is more" approach resonates with you. I confess that the depiction of Willow’s orgasm and her circling, narrowing lens of realization was one that felt good to me, on both very instinctual AND narrative levels. And now, in Part 7, I most humbly beseech you for thoughts re: perspective, much as I tapped your knowledge in Part 3. Thank you so much for the thoughtfulness of your responses.

One final thought…If anyone has a good understanding of "lay" vs. "lie" and all their tense permutations, I would very much appreciate your sending it my way. I’ve spent some time w/ Strunk and White, but I’m still not comfortable with my grasp of the words. Thanks!

On Second Thought: Part 7

Premise: Way the heck back in S4, Willow makes a difficult choice
Disclaimer: I own nothing but six wonderful cats, none of whom I would ever allow to be cruelly and capriciously shot. Just thinkin’ out loud here…
Rating: NC-17
Spoilers: Up to the end of "New Moon Rising"
Distribution: But of course…Please give credit and disclaimer. Thanks.
Feedback: I’d definitely appreciate it.


Summary: Willow initially chose Oz, in no small part b/c she believed he needed her more. It became clear, however, that her love for Tara was only growing. Willow ran into Tara at the Bronze, only to find Tara there with another woman. Willow fled, Tara followed, Big Time Sensuality (to quote Bjork) ensued. Much later, Oz stopped by on an ill-advised whim. He wolfed out, but Tara employed a soothing spell that included, in essence, offering herself to the werewolf while Willow was anchored in a state of safety and calm. After a rather tenuous stand-off, Oz bounded out the door, still in wolf form. The next day, Willow and Tara called a Scooby meeting to talk about the night’s events, a conversation that included Willow coming out to everyone. The meeting ended with the plan that everyone try to locate Oz, using a reasoned mixture of caring and caution. By the next evening, however, Oz was still MIA. Leaving Giles’ house, Willow felt a sudden and inexplicable conviction that he was still in Sunnydale, and that this whole drama was far from over. She and Tara spend the next day making love and just basically wallowing in each other. Tara sends Willow off for some quality time with Buffy; when Willow’s calls go unanswered, Willow becomes worried. She and Buffy go to Tara’s room, only to find a mess. Tara is nowhere to be found.

***
Talk.

That was all he wanted to do. Just talk.

He could control himself; he knew it. All that time in Nepal; all that time with the monks. Life didn’t always go how you wanted it to. You didn’t always get a vote, or the final vote. But you did get to choose how you reacted; how you dealt. You got to choose whether you’d be the person you said you wanted to be.

Not that he could ever pretend he didn’t have the wolf in him. He always would. But he did have a choice about whether it lived inside of him, as part of him; or whether it ruled him.

But that was the bitch of it, wasn’t it? Now that he knew he had the choice, he had no excuse. He couldn’t just kill anyone who threatened him and say it was the wolf.

That was good, though—right? He didn’t want to kill anybody now. Not even…her. The one who took Willow away—

He couldn’t think that way. That way led to the changing; mutating into the creature whose only instinct was to rip and devour and destroy.

There didn’t have to be a bad guy in this scenario, or a bad girl, either. He had known Willow still felt…that she still thought about her, the other one—

Her name was Tara. He needed to be able to say the name. He had practiced saying it. He didn’t have to change. Willow loved him, but not the way she used to. Now she loved Tara.

Now she loved Tara. And Tara was the one who touched her and kissed her and made her body respond like…He had smelled it, how her body must have reacted to the other one’s mouth and fingers; not like anything he had ever smelled on her after he had touched her. What had they done that made her entire body radiate such satisfaction?

Oh God—the rage…So white-hot he could taste his own fury; harsh, and metallic.

He didn’t want to change. He didn’t have to change. He wouldn’t change.

He’d find Willow and say he was sorry; and then he would say goodbye. He’d do it during the day, and hope that it provided some little bit of immunity from the change. He’d do it in a public place…But that hadn’t stopped him before, not when he saw her. When he saw Tara.

Tara. Willow had chosen her.

He didn’t have to change. He wouldn’t change.

Why not just leave? Why risk it? Because he didn’t have to change. He knew that. He could stop it. He would prove it to himself; and to her, to Willow, too; so that her last picture of him wasn’t as some slavering beast, but as Oz. He would show her that he was still in there. She would see the person she had fallen in love with.

And then he’d leave.

So he went to Willow’s room, but no one was there.

He knew where she probably was.

He didn’t have to change. He wouldn’t change.

He could do this. It would prove to Willow, even more, that he was still Oz. He would hold onto his humanity and do the right thing and say goodbye. That’s how she would remember him.

The other one answered the door on the first knock.

***

"Willow, stop! We don’t know what’s happened; for all we know Tara got some emergency phone call from a friend and left in a hurry. She could have knocked this stuff over on her way out the door."

Willow tried to force control back into her body, but her legs felt like rubber bands that had been stretched too far and then snapped back. She wanted to stand, but couldn’t imagine doing so. Buffy was kneeling in front of her, gripping her shoulders tightly. She looked up into the hazel eyes, and felt her throat clenching around the words.

"He has her. Buffy, Oz has Tara."

"Dammit, Will, we don’t know that!"

"I do. I know it—"

"No, you don’t! Willow, think about it. If he had been here, and wolfed out, we’d be able to tell. I mean, there’s no…There’s no definite sign that he…attacked her."

"There’s no blood; I know that. But I also know he has her, Buffy. And I know he’ll kill her."

"Willow, how? How can you know that?"

It seemed like every nuance, every tingling sense of déjà vu she’d ever had, every little voice she’d ever heard that seemed not quite her own was gathering within her as she looked at Buffy and answered her:

"Because I can feel her. And she’s terrified."

***

He didn’t have to change. He wouldn’t change.

"Oz…" She was afraid of him. Of course she was afraid of him.

"Tara, I’m sorry. I just want to say, God, how sorry I am. And then I’m leaving town." There, he’d done it. He’d said her name. He hadn’t changed.

She was still afraid, he could tell; but there was also gentleness in her eyes, too. She was so gentle; she would never hurt anyone.

There didn’t have to be a bad guy here.

"Oz, are y-you OK? No one knew where you w-were." That’s right; she stuttered. This shy, stuttering girl had walked into Willow’s life and—

No. He wouldn’t think that way. He wouldn’t change.

"I’m OK. I just wanna say I’m sorry and say good-bye to Willow." There—he’d said her name too, and he hadn’t changed.

"W-Willow’s not here. I just got b-back myself. I w-was getting a paper." She waved the Sunday edition as if offering proof. "I think she’s w-with Buffy." Was she lying? No, Willow wasn’t here; he would’ve been able to smell her. That was a small break, maybe. He didn’t have to see them together.

But was she trying to let him know that Willow was safe with the Slayer? Was she telling him to stay away from Willow because she figured he’d try to hurt her? What did she know about his relationship with Willow? Only what Willow had told her, probably, and that wasn’t all of it; it wasn’t anywhere near all of it. They’d had something good, until he messed it up. But then he’d left to straighten it out, and all the time away he’d thought of her and coming back to her. And he’d done it, too…all the wandering and the anguish and the work; he’d done it, and then he’d come back to make it right. But Willow wasn’t there anymore. This one had crept into her mind and her heart and her bed—

No. God, no. He couldn’t think that way. He didn’t want to change. He wouldn’t change.

He saw her looking at him with…what? Pity? Did she feel sorry for him? Because she had her? Because she was touching Willow; she had taken her. She had taken Willow away from him and claimed her and now she looked at him as if she’d known all along she’d win; that she’d get Willow.

Don’t. Don’t. No. Didn’t have to be—to be a bad guy. Everyone was doing the best they could. Willow was. He was. This one…Tara was. He didn’t have to change. He could be the man he said he wanted to be. Breathing…That was his hope and his salvation.

The phone rang.

***

Buffy looked at her in silence.

She wants to argue with me, but she knows I’m right.

Finally, she said, "OK, Will. I believe you."

Willow felt the tears sliding down her face. "Buffy, she’s so scared. Oz has her, and she’s scared and I’m not there to protect her. She’s there because of me."

For a moment Willow thought that Buffy might actually slap her. As it was, her eyes narrowed to slits and she practically spit out her words.

"Stop it! Self-flagellation is a luxury we don’t have time for. She fell in love with you knowing the risks. Love on the Hellmouth is not for the faint of heart, Willow, and Tara is anything but faint of heart. So lose the martyr monologue and let’s figure out where they are."

Willow gulped back her sobs. "OK. You’re right. We have to find her, before—" She looked up, voice and heart breaking as one. "What if we’re already too late?"

"Not going there, Will. Waste. Of. Energy." Buffy drew in a deep breath, and then expelled it harshly. Suddenly she looked up. "We’re not too late, because you can still feel her. Right?" When Willow nodded, she continued. "So send her back some—I don’t know—hope, and courage, and…"

"Tara already has more courage than you can even imagine." Her voice sounded amazingly calm to her own ears.

Buffy gave her a small grin. "Then she’s way ahead of the game, right? So see if you can link up with her somehow. Use those big honkin’ crania of yours and hers and see if she can tell you where she’s at."

Willow forced herself to breathe slowly and deeply, and then began reaching out in her mind.

Tara? Baby?

***

"Tara? Baby? It’s me, your love-struck girlfriend again. Um, give me a call when you get in, OK?"

God, no. No, no, no. Her voice; Willow’s. She used to talk to him that way.

Didn’t she?

Did she even care that he was destroyed beyond words? Did it matter to her that he loved her? Wanted to spend the rest of his life showing her how much? Had she thought about him at all before she had kissed the other one—this one, looking at him with all that terror—and lay with her, and opened her body to her? Given to this one what had been his?

No. He didn’t have to change.

He wouldn’t change.

Yet.

***

"Can you feel her? Get a lock on her?" Buffy was staring anxiously at Willow, who sat trembling with exhaustion and dread.

Willow shook her head. "It comes and goes. I don’t even know if she hears me. I think she does, but it’s like she flickers in and out. And every time she goes out…" She clutched her stomach, feeling it roil and protest.

"Every time she goes out, she comes back. Willow, you have to hold on, just like she’s doing. You can do this. She needs you."

Willow nodded, and carved her voice deeper into the space that she and Tara shared.

Tara? Hold on, Baby. I’ll find you. Just give me any help you can. Guide me, Baby. Because I love you so much. Just a little hint, Sweetie. Bring me to you.

***

"Oz, I’m s-so sorry you h-heard that. God, I’m so s-sorry."

She was terrified. She should be terrified. And still her eyes held that—what was it? Compassion? Gentleness?

It was pity.

She felt sorry for him? With what he could do to her?

"Come with me." He wasn’t changing. The hand extended was smooth and bare.

She was shaking her head. "No, Oz. I-I don’t think I should."

"I don’t think it matters what you think."

That scared her. He could see a second note of fear enter her eyes, and join with the first. He savored the chord that it created.

"Oz, I’m not g-going anywhere w-with you."

The hand was still perfectly smooth. "Either you come with me, or I rip you open and then go get Willow."

And that note…that was the most delicious one yet. He could feel the fear rolling off of her. And yet, barely a wave for herself. It was a deafening roar of fear for Willow. She would do anything to save her. Just like Willow had begged him to take her instead of this one.

"Everyone has choices to make, Tara. What’s yours?"

The hand, he marveled, was perfect. Bare and utterly human. He used the hand to clasp her trembling one. Her terror was intoxicating.

He wouldn’t have to change. Yet. But when they were out of here, in his domain, he would. There was no longer any reason not to.

TO BE CONTINUED
AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: On Second Thought: Part 7

Postby darkmagicwillow » Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:07 am

Your writing about Oz's insight into the wolf/person dichotomy in the beginning was great, but what really struck me about this piece was how you manage to slowly build up and make Oz a very scary guy. The werewolf was scary before, but that wasn't Oz.



You can feel each step of his resistance like fingers slipping from a desperate hold that keeps him from falling into the abyss, but even though you feel him slipping throughout the chapter, it was a shock to see him willingly let go and embrace his inner darkness. What made it all the more chilling was that he did that without even beginning to change. Very well written.

--

"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

Edited by: darkmagicwillow at: 11/11/02 10:09:47 pm
darkmagicwillow
 


Re: On Second Thought: Part 7

Postby The Rose24 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:20 am

Wow. You really know how to build up tension with your stories. I can't wait to see how W/T get out of this.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


The Rose24
 


Wonderful!

Postby Iamyouknowyours » Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:49 am

I read all the parts so far tonight. Which is why I should have been to bed an hour ago, but the loss of sleep is well earned. Wow! You write so beautifully. I especially feel that you capture Tara well. And the Oz internal monologues - stunning and shocking. I'm actually quite glad you kept him in town instead of taking the easy way out. I trust that you wont pull a Whedon on my girl :)



I eagerly await the next chapter. You're going on my list of recommended fics!

Sex always leads to bad things on Buffy. Angel turned evil, Willow turned evil, Tara got shot, Buffy ended up dating Riley...

Iamyouknowyours
 


Re: On Second Thought: Part 7

Postby jixer » Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:03 am

Hello Kittens-



I'm amazed at the sensitivity and sensous clarity in the intiment moments of this story. I'll probably never write anything as explicit but if I do I hope to capture the deep caring you crafted beautifully, because that's what makes such moments truly making love. The framework around those moments capture the romance that W/T had more than any other couple on BtVS.



But just as you have captured the romance, you also are showing the darkness more honestly than ME ever did. Your Oz is far more tragic, and yet we can want him to reach past the darkness, and not just for Tara's and Willow's sake. I find it almost comforting that he has a chance in Tara, if he can but see it. I said ALMOST comforting, because quite frankly I'm wondering what the heck you've got planned and a werewolf has our Tara!



What's really sad is that tonight Fox ran NMR. Still one of the most well done hours of television ever. Sigh. Thank goodness Pens and for this story. It's an inspiration to write better.



Thank you,



Jixer

jixer
 


Wonderful!

Postby slowontheuptake » Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:25 am

Quote:
"Stop it! Self-flagellation is a luxury we don’t have time for."


Hee! I'm all with the self-flagellation.

Sorry I haven't responded in a while.

I do love this story. Your writing is so spot on.

I feel so bad for Oz. He has always been a favorite charactor of mine. [dreamy] I love Oz. [dreamy] I hope he manages to be a good guy in the end. I'm not worried about Tara. After all you're not Joss. But I do worry about poor Ozzypoo. He's in a very bad place.



Bring on more story so I can find out what happens next. You know i don't handle suspense well.:p

slowontheuptake
 


Re: On Second Thought: Part 7

Postby VampNo12 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:32 am

Mary what an intense chapter! I found Oz's perspective quite fascinating. The emotions were quite palpable, and just like Tara I can so feel sympathy/compassion for him for what he has lost (and how he found out), but then it becomes chilling as Oz seems to be embracing the "darkness" he has fought so hard against.



I found the repeating of lines ("He didn't have to change. He wouldn't change.") really set the tone/mood of the scene. Or in other words, Oz who ("did" have a choice about whether it lived inside of him; or whether it ruled him"), is trying desperately to cling to the "thread" where he just wants to leave on good terms with Willow (do what's right). However, as thoughts/memories reverberate in his mind (ie through scent/"her entire body radiate such satisfaction", which never reached that extent for him, knowing both fear more for the other than themselves, and the simple (but powerful) realization of the depth of their love/"she belongs to Tara now", that "thread" seems to "fray" even more (ie Oz giving himself over to the "darkness").



What also resonated with me was Oz needing to say the name Tara, as opposed to calling her "the other one". In other words, by using her name she is a person, and not a "thing" that the wolf can see as something in his way/need to be "destroyed". Also I get the sense by calling Tara by her name it makes the situation more real to him, Oz trying to accept the fact that W&T are now together (ie not wanting to be the "bad guy"). However, I think the combination of Oz hearing Willow's love for Tara on the answering machine, his sense that Tara feels "sorry"/"pity" for him, and feeling like he has nothing left to lose, his grasp of the "thread" has "snapped". And what was the most chilling (and the sense he has embraced the "darkness") was Oz not "changing" (with the operative word being "yet") when he asked Tara to make her choice, but later would willingly "change in his domain". Can't wait to see what happens next!

Edited by: VampNo12  at: 11/12/02 12:44:26 pm
VampNo12
 


Re: On Second Thought

Postby samiamiguess » Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:19 am

Wondeful update Mary.

One of the reasons I love reading fics so much is that great writers such as yourself are able to portray peoples thoughts so vividly. This doesn't necessarily work on tv, subsequently they have to rely more on the verbal interaction. (Although to me this is where Amber and Allyson came into their own as they were able to express so much considering what they were given to work with.)



Anyway, my point is that given Oz's well-documented scarcity in speech this chapter alone allows more insight into his character than most of series 3 or 4!



And, oh, lovely Tara. You look after her. I know you will.

thanks

sonya

Edited by: samiamiguess at: 11/12/02 2:20:22 am
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Re: On Second Thought

Postby mollyig » Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:31 am

Oz repeatedly willing himself not to change really added to the tension, as we waited to see if he could control it.



Really like how you presented this, as Willow and Buffy in Tara's room after the fact, split with Oz facing Tara in the same space.

Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two
Indigo Girls

mollyig
 


Re: On Second Thought

Postby MAISEY12 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:10 am

I could really feel Oz's pain. It was so like him trying his upmost not to change into wolfie, but alas it's going to happen I think? Tara's compassion for him shone through, as did Willow's fears for Tara.



Can't wait for the next update.





Ann-Marie

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Re: On Second Thought

Postby deixs » Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:56 am

Great update!!!!



Ok, I really think that Willow and Buffy have to hurry up!!! Oz thinking that he has every right to kill Tara is worrying me beyond imagination!!!!!!!



Stef :p

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Re: On Second Thought

Postby ruby » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:22 am

I can't even tell you how much I love this story. I've already tried a couple times and failed, so you'll just have to believe me!

Quote:
One final thought…If anyone has a good understanding of "lay" vs. "lie" and all their tense permutations, I would very much appreciate your sending it my way. I’ve spent some time w/ Strunk and White, but I’m still not comfortable with my grasp of the words. Thanks!




Now, for lay vs. lie. Someone's gotta do it. Here goes:



LAY is a transitive verb (i.e., it always takes a direct object) meaning 'to put' or 'to place' something. Its principal parts are lay, laid, laid.



LIE is intransitive (it does not take an object). It means 'to recline' or 'to remain.' Its principal parts are lie, lay, lain.



examples (sorry they are so dumb. I couldn't think of anything clever this early in the morning):



Present tense:

Every morning I lay a fresh napkin by her plate.

I lie down every afternoon.



Past tense:

I laid the Sunday paper on the table yesterday.

I lay down yesterday for a nap, as well.



Present perfect tense:

I have laid silly love notes at the breakfast table, too.

I have lain here for several hours.





Here endeth the nerdy grammar lesson. Consider it a meager offering from one of your admirers!

Wow, that was so close to being empowering. --"Same Time, Same Place"

Edited by: ruby at: 11/12/02 7:24:36 am
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Re: On Second Thought

Postby snuggle79 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:46 am

Awesome update!! :clap

Poor Willow is almost going crazy, good thing that Buffy takes control of the situation and helps her to focus.

You describe Oz' situation really good. Wolf-Oz is really scary, wow. I hope everything will be okay with Tara.

Can't wait for more!

snuggle79 :wave

__________________

"I got so lost"

"I found you, i will always find you"





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Re: On Second Thought

Postby Cindipitude » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:47 am

This chapter was so gripping.

The internal monologue really showed Oz's struggle, but I can't help but feel he has crossed a line now.

The wolf is a part of him that he struggles to control, and by not changing he proves he can do that.

Midway through, he laments that he can control the wolf. It would be easier if he could just let the wolf go and be free of the blame. But in the end, he decides he's going to kill her. Cold blooded. He is in no danger of changing out of control, but he is planning on changing knowing its fully in his control. When and where. And that will make Oz a murderer.

Not the wolf. Oz.

Chilling update.

Cindipitude
 


Re: On Second Thought

Postby tommo » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:59 am

Yes, Oz's chilling assertions really show a dark side of his character that's truly a joy to read. You've delved deep inside of him here and it's actually a good contrast with the somewhat blatant purity of Tara. The internal monologues work so well here; often I feel they confuse the narrative flow, but here they add to the tension and confusion of the story itself. Wonderful.



Ooh, and is it wrong of me to get turned on by that grammar lesson from Ruby? Talk lexical baby, all the time. God, I love that in a woman. :)



You exquisite little tart!" ~ Diana Letharby

tommo
 


Re: On Second Thought

Postby ruby » Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:12 am

ruby resists the powerful urge to make a cheap joke about 'linguists'



Yes, just imagine trying to teach a bunch of college freshmen about the grammatical illogic of "getting laid." They love it.



Anything for AntigoneUnbound, though. And you too, Ruth. I'm just glad all those lessons are finally being put to good use. :) If I'd known I could use them to turn on smart women, I would've paid a lot more attention.



Great job with characterization in this chapter, Mary. I relish the mental connection betweeen W/T, and I especially like caring, no-nonsense Buffy. It reminds me of the time when she was likeable, way back in the day.

Wow, that was so close to being empowering. --"Same Time, Same Place"

ruby
 


Re: On Second Thought

Postby littlecrazy80 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:33 am

Loved the update! You know how to build the tension. The way you described Oz´s thoughts was fantastic!!!



*lil´c*



Unter den Blinden ist der Einäugige König.

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Re: On Second Thought

Postby jdcioffi » Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:05 am

Oh AntigoneUnbound, I have returned, your Grace, with more words of support and awe.



I'm an accidental writer. Meaning, I write and accidentally make connections and/or delve into meaning. I'm a plotline girl who, occassionally, finds another level.



With your Buffy, I can't help but notice the level of intuition she has. She knows that Tara is strong. She knows that Willow needs reassurance and level-headed thinking. She just knows.



Perhaps I like this Buffy because she is what Joss' Buffy could be if she weren't self-centered and allowed herself a little more time to observe things that don't go bump in the night.



Willow. What can I say about your Willow that I haven't said before? She IS Willow ... reacts as Willow would.



Tara, ahhh, lovely Tara. The fear that Oz felt wasn't her own ... that was, perhaps the most telling about this character. Sure, she's scared of a wolf. Sure, she's in love with a gorgeous, redhead. That's nothing out of the ordinary. BUT, to feel that fear and not for herself? That's Tara.



Now, Oz. As I read, I kept asking myself, "conflicted much?" You set me up, dear AntigoneUnbound. I was all set to feel badly for the guy who lost his girl -- but that ending squelched any pity I felt for him. It may be the wolf, but Oz said it: It's his choice how much of the wolf to let out.



I don't know how you update so often given (1) the intensity of the peice and (2) the polished quality of each update.



There are so many more thing I want to say, but they are all jumbly in my head. So, I hope you got something out of this feedback, if nothing more than "This was a brilliant update."



JD

"Was there a voice unkind in the back of your mind saying, "maybe..." (Jeff Buckley - The Last Goodbye)

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Re: On Second Thought

Postby Insanity » Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:42 am

OH MY GOD!!!



What.. oh my...Great. Oz and his efforts not to change...first..

and I'm soooo excited...What happesn next? Will Will (*lool*) find Tara in time?



You are going for an happy end, right? Please!!!



Insanity

"Nobody messes with my girl!" Tara, Bargaining

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Re: On Second Thought

Postby barnabasvamp » Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:50 pm

Very intense, loved it!

Your "trips" into the thoughts of each person are spellbinding.

Each person achieves such depth, you feel like you can associate with how they are feeling, quite a feat indeed, even with Oz.

BV

Edited because even with spell check, I'm bad :grin

"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

Edited by: barnabasvamp  at: 11/12/02 10:53:33 am
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wow

Postby Sleek » Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:33 pm

Mary,



where are my words?



i used to have words. several wonderful words carefully plucked from my mind's garden so i may present them to you.



but damn girl. i could not think of words apt enough to describe your latest chapter... so i'll plunge headfirst and babble...



the Oz inner dialogue...i have never come across a fic with Oz thoughts and emotions portrayed with truthfulness...this is just so amazing.



His constant repetition of not wanting to change, thinking that there didn't have to be a bad guy--was a great indication about how thin the thread of sanity he is desperately holding on to.



he wanted to be remembered as the man Willow loved and not the beast, then ending with a cliff hanger like that...(breathless gasp!)



I also loved how you sequenced the events in this fashion. The shift from Oz's POV, to the Willow Buffy Dialogue, back to the Oz Tara scene...the chronology worked well. Every word is fluid and connects seamlessly into one another.



Do you ever pause to wonder why you get several insightful, perceptive, well thought of feedback? Because your writing effortlessly draws that out from us.



You inspire us to write words to somehow mirror the beauty of your words.



loving your work,



:love Sleek





Sleek
 


wow

Postby Sleek » Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:48 pm

Mary,



Where are my words?



I used to have them. I recall carefully plucking them from my mind's garden so I may present them to you.



But it seems there are no words apt enough to desrcibe this chapter...so I'll plunge head on and unabashedly gush about your work.



First..the Oz inner dialogue. I think i have never come across any other fic that has captured Oz thoughts and feelings with such truthfulness.



The constant repetition of him not wanting to change all through out the chapter was a clear indication of how thin the thread of sanity he is desperately clutching to.



I also liked how he rationalized that nobody had to be a bad guy. His effort on not trying to dwell on the pain of Willow choosing Tara, him deciding that he wanted to leave as the man Willow loved and not the beast and THEN ending with a cliff hanger like that was just....(breathless gasp!)



I also LOVED the way you sequenced the telling of the events. Every scene, imagery, word and iota of thought seemed to seamlessly blend into one another. Fluid. Connected. Eloquent.



Ever wonder why you get so much insightful, profound feed back? It's because your writing effortlessly draws that out from us.



We are inspired to mirror the beauty of your words with some of our own.



I love your work,



:love Sleek

Sleek
 


Re: Update

Postby stereo33 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:35 pm

Mary - That was really great, kinda tense and totally chilling, but great nevertheless. It was interesting from Oz's pov, I kinda felt sorry for him (at first anyhow), especially hearing the phone message. Now though, what with the thoughts that are running through his head :eek . I never really thought of Oz being that dark before and it's making me very nervous, where's he taken Tara?



I also liked the way you described the connection between W/T and how Willow could feel how frightened Tara was. I'm hoping this connection is going to be a big factor in finding where Tara is.



I'm really enjoying this fic to the point of totally forgetting everything else when I'm reading it, which at the moment (believe me), can only be a good thing. Looking forward to more please.



Thanks Karen :)

stereo33
 


Re: Update

Postby Grimaldi » Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:50 pm

great update. i loved how you showed Oz's inner struggle not to change, the pain he is going through knowing that Willow has chosen Tara over him.

Dude, we're surrounded by perverts!
No! Well, okay. No. Pez!



Grimaldi
 


Re: Update

Postby Sister Bertrille » Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:04 pm

Yes, I'm late, and I'm probably repeating what everyone else has said so much more articulately and promptly, But I am enjoying this story tremendously, and at first I didn't think I would. So much for false impressions!



It was because me and Oz, not so much. My big problem with him is that I was told one (hundred) too many times by everyone in the show that Oz = cool, geddit? He's in a band! He drives a van! He's da man! I mean, Giles, Joyce (check out her reaction to finding out about Dawn), and Tara are way cooler to me. And that whole passive-aggressive wolfing out, I'll-tear-your-new-girlfriend's-throat-out vibe? Reminds me too much of a horrible guy a hallmate of mine dated in college. An "oil-of-peppermint enema" with a Tabasco twist personified!



It's like my friend Mary always says, "Ambivalence must die." (Me: "What was her name this time, Mary?") Because, let's face it, if Oz really didn't want to wolf out, he would be hundred of miles away by now. I like how you've made what could be a good thing, control, into a bad thing, control. Your Oz is becoming dangerously close to Veruca territory. And now I can hate him even more!



And now comes the time when I compliment you. I love how hilarious your Tara is! We really saw so little of her, comparatively speaking, throughout the show, and what you have done with her is amazing and entirely keeping with the character that we saw. She is funny and sexy and smart, oh my.



Willow and Giles get several great zingers in, and thank you for a fabulous, strong Buffy. I really appreciate how you and so many of the Pens writers have restored her to the heroine she was in the early seasons.



Finally, how fabulous are your sex scenes? How rhetorical is that question? They are hot, tender, naughty, and funny with a capital FU, the perfect combination of Apollo and Dionysis in a twosome envisioned by Sappho and translated into don't-read-this-at-work-if-you-have-a-tendency-to-blush English.



I eagerly await your update - will the profoundly humane Tara be able to tame Mr. Id? And just what kind of soda did that beast make her spill?! Inquiring minds...



SB

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