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Re: Replies to Feedback

Postby Penrose Orleans » Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:34 pm

Mary--

As my honorable ho, you may of course godmother the children! Class was great, though registration for next trimester is going to kick my butt...



You know my tastes well, though I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that I pound them in incessantly in everything I say... oy!



You caught me with the thinking that perfect people are boring... if I never read a "Tara's perfect and suffering while everyone around her screws up and begs for forgiveness" fic again, it'll be too soon!



Uncle Quinn, eh? I hope that his good side turns out to be just well-disguised, rather than absent... I would hope that Mrs. Maclay would pick a winner! (Alright, that attempt at wry wit just undermined everything I've been saying all along... ignore it, please, for my own sake)



So Cousin Beth is really Tara's half-sister, eh? (That wasn't actually a guess... I learned kinship charts in Anthropology, damn it! :) ) I have to admit that I've been seeing some really interesting similarity between the two... both running from their families and protecting what they see as their world (their perceptions and relationships) with everything they have... I like this new familial tie that could make both of them reconsider their comfortable little views.



I have to take issue with Willow's assertion that Tara and Nathan did not do the same thing just because Nathan kept it up longer-- granted, his crime was more severe, but they assuredly did do the same offense, the same violation of mind.



Mary, you continue to rock my world, and feedback is the least I can do! Have a good day, and keep on truckin' in the race of life! Always in Bitchness-- Nora

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BRAIN: "I must undo the damage I've done and repair your broken spirit."

PINKY: "Will it involve power tools?"

Penrose Orleans
 


Re: Part 16

Postby Big Dummy » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:08 pm

Wow.



Ok, I'm gonna post this response at the risk of getting banned or poked in the ribs or any other variety of things, cause I think I've probably got a slightly different take on this than most.



:pray Here goes:



I love the fact that Tara's mom has been given, well, some humaness. In light of what we saw of Nathan on-screen, she's been made into the polar opposite of him (how else could we have gotten someone as beautiful, inside and out, as Tara). In your fic she's human, and it's cool to see a departure from canon in that way. The marriage didn't work, not because Nathan was an outright bastard, but because they weren't right for each other. And I think a lot of folks can relate to staying/being in a relationship with someone that you sense is slipping away from you. So in painting this particular version of the Maclay Family Portait, I've come to feel sorry for Nathan. Which, as was pointed out by other posters, is in direct conflict with still feeling angry about the lies he heaped upon his family in the name of saving it. In the end, his saving technique did what he was trying to avoid.



Another point of conflict for me in your story is the way the latest confrontation has played out, directly connected to my new feelings of some sympathy for the man who's one of the "villains". It's a silly thing, really, but I almost feel even worse for him that these people (good people, we know, have come into his home and sort've sat themselves right in the middle of his family mess. Part of me is onboard with the fact that everyone is there to support Tara, but the other part cringes whenever he attempts to reassert his power in the only thing he really has left, his home, to have it batted away and told that he has no right to ask people to leave, no right to refuse to play out this drama in front of strangers. I think I feel this way because the last update really did strip him of his power, Tara really came in and took it away, and he seems to me a sorry old man.



So, as a W/T-fanatic, I'm thinking "Yay for Tara. Beat him down! You too, Will!". As a human, subject to fits of pride, I'm thinking "Man, that sucks for Nathan Maclay."



Overall, the fact that your fic is taking me out of my comfort la-la-la WT-zone and making me think (and about the other characters even!) is a testimony to your excellent writing.



Done. I bare my ribcage for any oncoming pokes.:paranoid

Big Dummy
 


More Replies to Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:56 pm

Vicki: Always so good to see your name here! As ever, your inquiring mind looks deep into the psyches of these characters and considers their deeper motivations. A great read, girl.



What I’m most relieved about is that absence of moral simplicity that you mentioned. We only got to see Tara’s family once, and that episode—while delightful in lots of ways—rendered them as very one-dimensional in nature. Poor Cousin Beth came off looking like Daisy Duke after a stay at a convent…So I’m relieved to hear that the folks here have nuance and shading for you.



Indeed, Nathan is a tragic figure in lots of ways, and I love this observation you make: "…his love and fears led him to become what he hated most about himself…a ‘demon’…" That’s it exactly, Vicki. How often do our fears lead us to create the very situation we’re trying so desperately to avoid? ("Once every 14.38 seconds, Mary," Vicki replied confidently.) I also agree with your distinction b/w Nathan’s more active and enduring sin and Tara’s own mistake with the Blind Cadria spell. And like you, I also have compassion for Nathan, for many of the same reasons you mention. It is excruciating, beyond words, to watch your beloved drift away even as she stands before you, ostensibly yours. It felt important to have the first pregnancy represent their hope for a close family, and to have it end the way it did (versus via supernatural means). How different would things be if the pregnancy hadn’t ended in miscarriage? That’s part of what fascinates me about "family secrets" stories: there are so many points in time in which a slight variation from the actual history would have led to such different lives for everyone.



Yes, Nathan let Donnie do his "dirty work," as you very astutely pointed out. He kept his hands clean, but his heart was stained with his silence and his tacit approval. I love your observation about the "push/pull" that Tara represents to Nathan: she represents the moment of his greatest pain, and yet she is half Julia, and she looks like her, too. How could his heart not twist whenever he looked at her?



And poor Donnie…did you ever think you’d use that adjective to describe him? But yes—his father beat him from practically Day One, and his mother was dragging him along when she boinked his uncle. Who wouldn’t have some issues with that? And then, to see his mother’s reaction to Tara…It’s one thing to think that a parent (or anyone we love) isn’t capable of love, and that’s why they’re distant from us; it’s quite another to have them reject us even as they embrace someone else. Then we realize that it’s not that they can’t love; it’s that they (apparently) don’t love us. Like you, I still hold him responsible for the pain he inflicts on Tara, esp. as an adult; and yet I can’t bring myself to despise him completely.



Glad you liked the disclaimers! I always have a little moment when I’m making them up and to be honest, I was never sure if anyone even read them. But now that I know you do, well…It opens up whole new vistas of possibilities! Thanks for your amazing feedback, Vicki. If law doesn’t work out for you, there’s always editing! Rock on, Brief Queen!



Nora, you ol’ bitch, you! Thank you for the almost inexpressible honor of being your children’s fairy godmother! I’ll spoil them and teach them softball and generally lead them into mayhem. No need to thank me!



Ah, yes…perfection is such a pleasant abstraction but so infinitely annoying in real life, isn’t it? Tara is indeed human; that’s how I love her!



I’ll be curious to see what you think of the Uncle Quinn and "sister" Beth developments. Family drama lends itself so well to an almost infinite array of permutations and possibilities. It will, as you point out, be very interesting to see what they both do with this new information—both about their own lives, and about their relationship to each other.



Tara and Nathan did commit the same violation, but there’s something about Nathan’s decision to not only keep the truth from his wife (like, for decades) but to actually delude her into believing that she held the demon within her. I think it’s interesting that Tara is willing to see the similarities in their actions, while Willow—ever the "It’s all OK" girl—instantly tries to redirect Tara’s thinking.



And girl—I would never call your feedback "the least" of anything! It’s just dead-on and keen and very, very insightful. So yo’ ho sez: Kick a little ass in the upcoming trimester. (Will you be taking maternity leave, what with having children with both Beth and Nathan?) Thanks, Bitch!



Big Dummy: Well, if you’re not going to just prostrate yourself in utter adoration for every word that anyone writes on this board, then I just have to say: Let the rib-poking begin! (Uh, you know I’m joking, right?) No, I agree with you: Nathan does have layers to him—very human layers for which I have a lot of compassion. As you very rightly point out, his "saving technique did what he was trying to avoid." He wasn’t a bastard, or evil incarnate: he loved wildly, saw his beloved slipping away, and resorted to the most extreme of measures (mind control) to try to stop that. Was he wrong? I believe so. Is he beyond all bounds of human compassion? Not for me.



I also agree that it would be excruciating for Nathan to watch his home be invaded by outsiders (interlopers, in his opinion, esp. Willow) and essentially dictate, or support Tara’s dictate, that he spill his guts. He so desperately wanted his home to be his sanctuary, a place of refuge and companionship with his beloved, and who should first intrude onto this family scene but his own brother. How cruelly ironic…I think Tara had every right to demand the truth, given its dire implications for her own life; moreover, I think it’s important for her not to be cowed by this man into accepting him evicting Willow from not only his home, but Tara’s mother’s home and her own.



So goodness gracious (and I don’t usually use such strong language, but there it is)—by all means share your reactions! I’m just glad people are having them!



That’s all for now. Thanks!

Mary




AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Part 16

Postby hush30 » Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:32 am

Wow Mary that was a very moving update and my heart really went out for Nathan of all people. That must have been very painful having his wife slowly become more and more distant and then to not only lose a baby to miscarriage but also the baby who had brought them closer together. I like how you show a different side to the Nathan we thought we knew (there is often much, much more depth to most people than we may at first believe). Of course it was an ineffective way for him to bring up Donnie (demon or no demon) and Tara (blame her for her mother and Uncle's actions) but he thought he was doing the right thing and being hurt can make us do some pretty irrational stuff at times.



I know Tara is feeling really betrayed now, by both parents but I hope with the support she has in Willow and the scoobies she'll sort it through in her own time and in her own way. So then was Donnie born evil (ie a demon) or was he made evil by his upbringing? An interesting question you raised here about Donnie (are violent people born or raised?). The answer appears to be both but what makes me curious is how much of one or the other is at play in a situation such as Donnie's?



As always your stories make us ponder, question, and discuss a variety of issues that may affect us at some stage in our lives (well maybe not the demon thingy as much as the other issues). So whatever the goal you have in writing these wonderful stories I think you achieve much more than simply entertaining us (and there is an abundance of that).



btw thanks for your kind words in your last feedback regarding the way I came out. I appreciate it.



Nan :)

"I think this line's mostly filler" - Willow in OMWF

"I'm not really much for the timber" - Tara

Edited by: hush30 at: 3/6/03 4:19:16 am
hush30
 


Re: Part 16

Postby Vampivy » Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:37 am

Mary, Mary,



I was so incredibly engrossed in this last chapter that by the ends revelation I felt sick. The image of Donnie being a possible witness to his mother’s infidelity made sense to me in regards to his behavior now. We don’t know for sure if he actually witnessed the act/acts itself: , but if he did, well a lot of things about Donnie make sense now. Still that’s no excuse for his behavior. I had the unfortunate luck of witnessing by father’s infidelity, but I don’t go around using that as an excuse for anything I do in my life, good or bad. If anything it proved that my mother made the best choice and left him after he failed to stay faithful having already been given a second chance.

Now I wonder if Nathan would have done that instead and left Julia, would they have been better off? Sure the physical abuse towards Donnie and Tara would have been way less, but I figure Donnie would still have been angry and resentful towards his mother for his father leaving. Would that have been enough for him to still turn out the same?

What about Tara? She now must feel like her world has imploded. The image of her mother is forever tainted, and that being, I think, what she based a lot of her own good qualities on, I can’t help but wonder if this will only further destroy her own self image that she had before she met Willow? Thinking to herself, “well if mom cheated on dad, who’s to say I wont be capable of cheating on Willow”.

Perish the thought:sob .

I say this because growing up I was always told I’m the spitting image of my father. According to my mother the only difference between him and I is he’s a man and I am woman (hear me roar). **Meow**:eyebrow I got upset one time and she said, “you act just like your father when you’re angry, you even make the same facial expressions”. I started to wonder if I was going to end up a being a perpetual cheater just like him, amongst other things. Hmmm…:rolleyes



The previous image of Tara’s mother now being thoroughly shattered I can’t help but wonder. If Julia was never abused by Nathan would the mere fact that she was told that she had demon in her, drive her to another man? And why? This story has turned out to have so many twist and turns that maybe that’s why I feel sick. Maybe it has to do with too much coffee goodness. Uhgg:puke . Yep that’s it. I gonna go now and take a breather.



Thanks for this riveting story. I look forward to reading more. Much more.



Patty



Vampivy
 


Re: Part 16

Postby Grimlock72 » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:59 pm



Nathan definitly didn't have a very fun life now did he ? Reading the beginning of their marriage it seems to me that he loved Julia more/too much than the other way around. At the very least there were different expectations. I have to wonder what would have happened if Julia hadn't had a miscarriage...



Yeah I did feel sorry for Nathan on most points, except for when he told his wife there was a demon in her, especially because Julia told Tara she had demon in her as well. I mostly blame Julia for staying in a marriage she obviously didn't enjoy/like/want any more. I can't believe any person would so easily believe they have demon in them. How would Nathan now such a thing from Julia's familly anyway ?



Haven't really figured out why Julia didn't like Donnie but did like Tara, both being her children after all. Did she dislike Nathan that much that she automaticly disliked his offspring ?? That would be rather mean. Either way Donnie didn't have a fun time growing up it seems, though I still don't know what came first; the bad treatment or Donnie acting nasty.



Does Donnie know Tara is not Nathan's daughter ? He might suspect something, heck I did :D . Quinn wasn't your ideal father-type as near as I can tell, Beth was pretty much raised by her mom. Speaking of Beth; I have no problems with her, what she wants doesn't conflict with what Tara wants... as matter of fact it fits neatly :)



The only 'problem' with this update is that I risk beginning to feel sorry for Donnie. I soooooo want to hate his guts. I maintain that he has had sufficient time to change his ways, I just don't know if that holds for a child who hasn't been loved (much) by either parent during his childhood. Bad childhood or not, if has as much as touches Tara he's toast.



I've lost a lot (if not all) respect for Julia. Having a child born from cheating on your husband is bad. Very bad. It causes trouble for the child and for the husband if he chooses to raise it. However is a child born that way supposed to grow up normally ?? If Julia liked Quinn that much she should have divorced, or used better protection at least. She messed up, big time.



I guess I just don't get how people could so easily believe they have some strange demon in them that will come out if they leave the person who told them that. I can understand Tara believing her mother, but Julia believing Nathan ?? (reminds me a bit of 12th century church preeching hell would come on 'leaving thy husband' and such :) ). I'm more of a 'proof first, belief later' person myself, in case you didn't guess :D



Still working hard at disliking Donnie, here....



Grimmy

"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

Grimlock72
 


More responses

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:58 pm

Hey Kittens~~ What can I say? Your feedback continues to amaze me. I plan to update tomorrow (Friday). I had hoped to do so today but we had yet another snowstorm and I couldn't get into my office until about half an hour ago, and frankly I'm wiped out. Tomorrow, though...



Nan: You hit the thematic nail on the head with your questions about the origin of Donnie's malevolence. Is evil innate or learned? Some combination of the above? It's a question that holds endless fascination for me (as you can probably infer...). You know, a lot of people are feeling some compassion for Nathan, for the very reason you mentioned; at the same time, Tara's mother has fallen off of her pedestal and the question before Tara, I think, is: where does she "put" her mother now, in her memory? Thanks, Nan, for the great and thoughtful feedback. I appreciate the kind words about provoking thoughts as well as entertaining. Heaven knows the feedback/shared process of this board makes writing so rewarding for me.



Patty: First of all, let me say what a helluva situation that was you faced with your father, AND your mother's frequent reminders of who you resembled. That must have messed with your head on such a regular basis. Isn't it amazing, the legacies that our parents can pass on to us w/o ever asking our permission?



You raise an interesting question: Should Nathan have left Julia when he discovered her infidelity? Would doing so have spared them both subsequent pain? Who's to say that separating wouldn't have resulted in something worse? I think that's one of the hardest things about trying to learn from history: each case is so inextricably bound up (I believe) in a particular context, particular moods and chance events only distantly related to the event but having an impact nonetheless. When we try to learn from the past, we're looking through the lens of known outcome: we know that A led to B; B is painful; ergo, avoid A. But it isn't that simple.



A lot of people are wondering what will happen to Tara's image of her mother now. I'm enjoying writing that, because Julia is now more human than ever before: capable of exquisite love and unthinkable transgressions. And complicating this even further is the fact that Tara can't talk to her and try to understand or reach some grasp of what drove her.



Thanks, Patty, for the excellent ideas and insights. I appreciate you taking the time to write.



Grimmy Yeah, a lot of folks are having some serious reactions to Julia's infidelity AND taking Donnie w/ her. It definitely makes Tara rethink her good parent/bad parent dichotomy. Sorry to make you feel some compassion for Nathan & Donnie! Actually, I'm glad you're having to struggle not to just dismiss those two, who aren't exactly likable but are definitely human and thus more complex than any stereotype or caricature could be. Thanks for reading and sending in the thoughtful observations.



That's all for now; update tomorrow (Friday).



Mary


AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Part 16

Postby mollyig » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:36 am

I have been happily catching up on this story, and thoroughly enjoying the twists in the tale.



So much going on in the last few chapters, but one thing I really thought interesting was that despite all Tara had learned she still managed to feel sorry father, despite his deeds. Such a gentle soul she has that she could still feel pity for him.



Looking forward to the next chapter of this fine story.

Love is a place I dream of. A face that never leaves my mind
Luka Bloom

mollyig
 


Re: More responses

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:45 pm

Hey folks--posting an update right after this. Thanks again!



Mollyig:
Hey--nice to see you (read you?). Yes, I've always been amazed at Tara's capacity to feel for other people. I think it's one of her greatest strengths. I'm glad you're enjoying this story. Thanks for keeping up with it and sending in your reactions.

AntigoneUnbound
 


Part 17

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:24 am

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers:
I don’t own any of these characters. Neither does Vicki, though I have it on good authority that she has their likenesses on her briefs.

Spoilers:
Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain Big Bad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.

Rating:
R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.

Distribution:
Sure, with acknowledgement.

Feedback:
Even more sure! Bring it on!


*****
Part 17
*****



"Mama, are Aunt Margaret and Uncle Quinn coming over for Christmas? I want to see what Beth gets from Santa. Are they, Mama? Mama, are you listening?"

"No, Bright Eyes; they’re not coming over this year. We’re going to celebrate with just the four of us."

"We hardly ever see them, Mama, and they don’t live far away, like some people’s families."

"Well, sometimes it’s nice to have just us, don’t you think?"

~~~

"Beth was crying at school today, Mama. I heard her tell Jenny Baxter at recess that her mom and dad are fighting all the time. I never hear you and Daddy fight."

"Well…Your daddy and I try to be nice to each other, Bright Eyes. I wouldn’t want you crying at recess."

"But you and Daddy love each other, right? Right, Mama?"

"Of course we do, Honey."

~~~

She was supposed to be asleep, but she was thirsty. So she slipped out of bed and padded along the hallway until she reached the top of the stairs. She hoped her daddy wasn’t alone in the kitchen. He’d either scold her for being up or just look at her funny, the way he did sometimes when her mama wasn’t around.

Three hesitant steps down the stairs, she heard both of her parents in the kitchen. She fidgeted indecisively for a moment, and then sat down on the steps, her blue flannel nightshirt edging up over her knees. She frowned, absently rubbing a bruise on her arm as she heard her parents talk quietly.

"Does anybody know where he went?" Her mama’s voice.

"No," her daddy answered. "I just heard from Jack McAllister down at the Feed and Grain that he’s been gone for a couple of days. Apparently he never said a word to anybody."

Who were they talking about?

After a minute, her mama spoke up again. Why did her voice sound so little, and cold?

"Well, maybe that’s for the best."

"You really think so?" Her daddy sounded funny, too—like he was keeping his mouth even tighter than usual.

"Yes. Maybe he’ll go away and—and pull himself together. Stop drinking. Maybe then he can come back and Margaret and him can work things out."

Her daddy didn’t say anything for a minute, and then he finally answered, "Maybe you’re right. That would be nice, wouldn’t it?"

"Yes, it would. Heaven knows Beth could use two solid parents."

Uncle Quinn? He had left home? Left Aunt Margaret and Cousin Beth by themselves?

"Do you want any dessert while you watch the news, Nathan?"

"No thank you. Are you going to watch?"

"No, I think I’m going to head on up to bed."

She didn’t really feel that thirsty anymore. Usually she would have waited for her mama to start up the stairs and asked her for another goodnight kiss, but for some reason she thought maybe she should just head back to bed.

~~~

Wrapping her arms around her in a deliberate attempt to stop trembling, Tara looked at the man she had called "father" for twenty years. He seemed to shimmer; and then she realized that her vision was tilting. She thought for a moment that she might faint, and then she rested her head in her hands, briefly, as Willow rubbed her back in small circles. After a moment, she trusted herself to look at Nathan once more.

"You’re saying—you’re saying that Uncle Quinn is my father? My biological father?" Her voice seemed to come from someplace far away.

Nathan stared at her, his expression unreadable. "Yes. My wife had an affair with my brother. Sounds like something from an afternoon talk show, doesn’t it?" His laugh was humorless.

"I—I can’t believe this is happening. I feel like I’m watching somebody else, in a movie." Mama? How could you do this? And how could you keep this a secret from me—my own father?

"Well, it’s real, and it’s true. I know you always thought your mother was perfect, but she wasn’t. I certainly found that out the hard way."

"Mama had an affair…"

"And she took her infant son along with her. Doesn’t exactly qualify her as ‘Mother of the Year,’ does it?"

Tara's head sank once more. She tried to focus on Willow, near and strong and loving. How could I bear this without you?

"Oh goddess, Mama…"

*****

Beth wasn’t going to sit passively in Tara’s room, and even if she had been inclined to wait, she wouldn’t have called it "Tara’s room." She paced quietly along the upstairs hallway for a few minutes, before letting herself into her Uncle Nathan’s room, where she made a quick phone call. Then she grew impatient once more.

She was good at hiding; good at keeping herself invisible even to folks who could have seen her if they’d looked at all closely. It was easy, really, to edge herself noiselessly down a few steps until she could just make out the voices in the living room—one low and flat; the other soft and incredulous.

*****

"Daddy—I mean…" Tara paused, trying to find words that wouldn’t sound ludicrous within her own mind. "I—I don’t know what to say."

"Neither did I." Nathan Maclay was now gazing at her almost relentlessly, as if he were searching for something that only she could reveal, and he no longer had to conceal his search.

"What…what did Mama say when you confronted her about it?" She swallowed, a bitter, metallic taste in her mouth as she imagined harsh words; bitter recriminations; threats, and pleas for forgiveness.

"I never did."

Tara looked up sharply. Surely she had heard him wrong…

"I stepped back off of the porch, and I walked back to the car. I drove home and sprayed the corn, and then I started the milking. I saw your mother driving up to the house about an hour after I got back." His eyes, in the fading afternoon sunlight, looked almost black.

"You mean—you never told her you knew?"

"No. She may have suspected, or wondered, because I’m sure I seemed quite strange to her for the first two or three weeks after that. But I never said anything. I never let on that I had heard her rutting in an abandoned house with my brother while our son slept nearby."

Tara felt her stomach surge dangerously for a moment. Fighting past the bile, she managed, "Why? Why in God’s name wouldn’t you tell her?"

"Don’t use that phrase," Nathan countered promptly. "You don’t know the first thing about God’s name." But his voice held no fire.

"I’m sorry, sir," Tara found herself replying automatically. And then she stopped herself. What did she owe this man? Whether he was her father or not? Shaking her head quickly, she continued, "Why didn’t you tell her?"

Nathan’s expression suggested that he didn’t understand her question. "Because she hadn’t said she was going to leave me. I didn’t think she would. I thought that if I told her I knew, she might feel like she had to leave."

"And you still wanted to be with her? You didn’t think at all about leaving yourself?" Tara was incredulous.

Nathan looked at her quizzically. "We don’t get a choice in who we love, Tara. Your mother tore me apart like a tornado blowing through a haystack, but I still loved her. I still wanted to fall asleep next to her, and wake up next to her." He spoke slowly, as if uncertain of her ability to comprehend his words.

*****

Beth heard the clock on the mantle downstairs chime five o’clock. Probably about half an hour now, though she couldn’t for the life of her imagine why she would think of such a thing. About half an hour since she learned who her father had really loved; and why he had left. About half an hour since she learned that Tara hadn’t been satisfied with her own family; she had taken Beth’s, too.

*****

"But what about Uncle—about Uncle Quinn?’ I barely remember you; I’m not about to call you "Dad."

Nathan caught her hesitation, and smiled bitterly.

"Well, I wasn’t about to let her sleep with him again. That night, I sat her down and told her how much I loved her, but how afraid I was for her. About the demon, I mean. I told her I’d noticed some changes in her, and that it scared me. I said I’d stand by her through anything; no matter what evil things she might want to do, or who she might hurt with that sinfulness. I told her it wasn’t her fault that she had evil thoughts. ‘God looks into our hearts, and knows what’s there,’ I said. ‘What’s important is that we ask for forgiveness, particularly if we know that we’re especially likely to fall victim to temptation and sin.’ I did a pretty fair impersonation of Reverend Timson, if I do say so myself." He nodded proudly as if to himself. "And I would bet this farm that they never did that again."

"But when you found out Mama was pregnant…" Tara could barely bring herself to ask further about this time that she knew she needed to understand. Willow, my love...Could you have imagined this when we left this morning? Was it just this morning? You're my family now, Beloved.

"Oh, I knew it was his. Your mother and I hadn’t been together as husband and wife for probably a month and a half before I found them. And it was another month after that before we were again. But she had already stopped making her little afternoon trips, and she at least acted like she wanted to spend time with me. And so, a few weeks after that day, we resumed our marital relations." His tone, as if discussing a business contract that had been briefly interrupted by a strike, conveyed none of the agony that Tara knew he had felt.

Tara fought to keep the dizziness, creeping back along her vision, at bay. Finally, she managed to ask, "Wasn’t Mama afraid that you would know? About me?" No, not about me. I didn’t do anything. I didn’t wreck your marriage.

Nathan’s laugh chilled Tara's blood, pounding throughout the heart that he had not helped to create.

"Oh, she told me you were premature. She told me when she must really have been almost two months along—but she said she was about three weeks pregnant. I knew, though…She hadn’t known with Vaughn or Donnie until she was almost two months along. Now she was trying to say she ‘just knew’ she was pregnant. I offered to go along with her to the doctor’s, get everything checked out—but she said I didn’t need to worry myself with it, that she was doing fine. And she was…She was never sick with you. They talk about pregnant women glowing—well, she did. And when you were born—a month early, she told me, trying so hard to act natural—the doctor said it was one of the easiest births he’d ever seen. And the whole time I played right along, even when you came out weighing over eight pounds—as if a baby who’s a month premature is likely to weigh that much."

"And you never told her—ever," Tara repeated, feeling like a slow-witted child.

"No. She was my wife, and I wanted her to stay my wife. Quinn tried to see her, I’m sure of it. We had some calls that were hang-ups, and a couple of times that bastard even came to the house. I could see him drive up, when I was out in the fields closest to the place. And I headed back in, thinking I might just kill him if I found him going after my wife in my own home. But he left almost as soon as he arrived. I think he fell for her as hard as I did…Quinn always loved his whiskey; now he started drinking seriously—missing work, passing out at the bar and having to have somebody drive him home. Until he finally just left town."

Tara closed her eyes, and forced herself to ask the next question. "Do you know where he is?" Willow’s hand stilled on her back, as if any sound might drown out the answer she awaited.

Nathan's smile was empty. "Quinn? My dear brother—your father—is dearly departed, Tara. He died a little over a year ago."

*****


To Be Continued



Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 3/8/03 5:00:34 pm
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Re: Update

Postby The Rose24 » Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:35 am

:sob I feel so sorry for Tara. She loves her mother with all of her heart.



There is still no excuse for Nathan lying about Tara's mother having demon in her.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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Re: Part 17

Postby BFR from Paris » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:49 am

:cry



So, to sum up : Tara has lost both her mother and her father, but now she has a half brother (Donnie) and a half sister (Beth - I wonder what she's up to)



Great story! (in case I haven't sent feedback earlier) :)



But sad... :sob



Now waiting for an update :)

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Re: Update

Postby Grimlock72 » Sat Mar 08, 2003 6:29 am



Well, the good thing to come out of this mess is that Tara isn't Donnie's sister :) .



Too bad that two people of that triangle (Nath-Julia-Quinn) are dead. Makes it rather difficult to get the complete picture. Besides, I think Tara would have liked to at least talk to Quinn once.



Still, none of this is going to give Donnie back his life-in maid/slave. Donnie overshot his target by miles I would say, not that he ever came close of course. Really, if Donnie already knew what was in the box (which is likely)... why would he assume Tara would run back home ? Ah well, they'll *talk* (cough) to Donnie once they return to safe/predictable Sunnydale :D



Nathan and Julia's marriage can't have been much good, esp. after Nathan knew of her affair. A marriage based on deceit and witholding information, can't be any good really. I'm actually surprised they stayed together that long, at least some 19 years they stuck together despite they both must have known something was wrong.



Question remains; why did Julia like Tara sooo much more than Donnie ? Both were nice little babies I assume, so why the difference in approach ??



Grimmy

"You hurt Tara," Willow said too calmly. "The last one who tried that was a god. I made her regret it." -- Unexpected Consequences by Lisa of Nine

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Re: Update

Postby Patches » Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:09 pm

Mary, Queen of Scots (and incredibly quick updates)



Interesting, very very interesting, much goings on in the Maclay household (and Donnie’s not even in the mix yet – can’t wait for that).



Lots of things I loved about this chapter, especially your representations of childhood. Creating the atmosphere of Tara as a child with the padding of her feet, children do that, don’t they? And Beth being the little invisible one lurking unnoticed around corners or peeking through the rungs of the banister watching.



Good lord, how is Tara still vertical (okay, Willow’s there for her – her subtle presence is wonderful), but to be able to keep herself together so well. I like the internalstruggle. Yes, I imagine she’d really like to talk to her mother. So many questions, so many things to understand. Some times you have to remind yourself that, perhaps, some questions are better left unanswered. Though, I suspect Nathan’s happy she’s opened the door to all this. He finally gets to ‘tell the truth,’ ‘cause you know this has been weighting his soul down for so long. Perfect timing, isn’t it – Tara gets to hear his version of events while Julia and Quinn lie mute in their graves.



I’m trying to understand Nathan (really, I am). Despite all the complexities of his character he’s fundamentally a simple guy, driven by one thing – his love for Julia. Unfortunately “love” isn’t that simple, and is it love or obsession. What’s the difference, I pondered as I read this. Nathan’s endured quite a bit. The loss of an unborn child, I can’t begin to fathom what that would do to someone, and then to have his pain compounded by his beloved’s infidelity and a child, whose presence can only remind him every single day of that transgression. Through it all, he seems so stoic – almost a martyr in his pain. Infidelity, depending on one’s personal paradigm, is a very complex act/circumstance (and somewhere there’s a word for this, but damn it I can’t find it) to deal with. Nathan is religious; so the sanctity of the marriage bed is something I’m certain he doesn’t take lightly. His wife defiles the sacrament of marriage (with his brother, no less) and he does nothing. Wow, this dude takes till death do us part seriously. Jeeze, that’s a lot to handle for a poor, simple, god-fearing farmer.



Wait, did I say he does nothing – how silly of me, I forgot all about the “oh honey, gee you’ve been acting strange – I’m worried about the demon. And, I think my son’s a demon so I’m going to beat him into submission whenever I perceive an act of disobedience and choose to interpret it as demonic possession, and I think I’ll lay into my child whose not my daughter, but I’m not going to let anyone know I know she’s not my daughter, and well I think my son is tormenting my wife’s daughter, but I don’t know for sure and I don’t really care to find out.” Mary, Mary, Mary, you are a cleaver writer! Making us feel all bad for Nathan’s tragedies. But, it’s hard to feel much for him anymore - (except maybe contempt). Truly, none of this was his fault: He didn’t ask for the demon heritage; he didn’t want his unborn child to die; he didn’t want his wife to cheat with his brother and bear a child; he didn’t want his son to be bad – he didn’t want any of it, really, who would. But that’s what life stuck him with, the only thing he could control, in any of this, was how he reacted to it. It seems that he’s using Julia’s affair as a weapon against Tara.

"Well, it’s real, and it’s true. I know you always thought your mother was perfect, but she wasn’t. I certainly found that out the hard way." ... "Mama had an affair…" ... "And she took her infant son along with her. Doesn’t exactly qualify her as ‘Mother of the Year,’ does it?" That’s nothing short of spiteful.



Nathan loved Julia, but it seems he never forgave her. He just kept her under his control. That’s what he seemed to do best, – control and manipulate; oh, but it was all in the name of love (where’s that puke button when you need it). He also seems to know, or to have known, Quinn’s whereabouts – maybe his niece and sister-in-law might have liked to know that. It’s his reactions that make him truly loathsome. Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive – indeed. Love or obsession, what's the difference? Actions speak louder than words. Hey, Nathan - obsess much!! Even revealing Julia's imperfection, startling as that was, can't justify Nathan's actions. I guess, now that Beth's heard this, Nathan's 'body count' of destroyed lives is up to 4, maybe 5 (depending on what he did or said - if anything at all - to Quinn).



Finally, I find Beth’s thoughts: “About half an hour since she learned that Tara hadn’t been satisfied with her own family; she had taken Beth’s, too. “ … Somewhat more malevolent than anything we’ve heard yet. If this whole demon thing is true, the one I’m really afraid of right now, is Beth.



Thanks Mary – this is really a lot of fun. Can’t wait to see what happens next.



Cheers!!

Patches









You know I've heard about people like me. But I never made the connection. They walk one road to set them free, And find they've gone the wrong direction. But there's no need for turning back 'cause all roads lead to where I stand. And I believe I'll walk them all No matter what I may have planned

Edited by: Patches at: 3/8/03 4:05:58 pm
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Re: Part 17

Postby Cindy Lou Who » Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:43 pm

Miss Mary Ma'am:



I'm torn I'yam.



It was always drummed into me that "infildelity" was the great unforgivable.:hmm



And yet I've already forgiven a "cheating" lover. Why? For 2 reasons. The first you elucidated so well:
Quote:
Nathan looked at her quizzically. "We don’t get a choice in who we love, Tara. Your mother tore me apart like a tornado blowing through a haystack, but I still loved her. I still wanted to fall asleep next to her, and wake up next to her." He spoke slowly, as if uncertain of her ability to comprehend his words.
Oh how this resonates through everything.



The second (and more difficult) is the personal responsibility. Nathan tries to denegrate Tara's image of her mother by describing how she strayed. But just as there was a "sea-change" in Nathan I wonder what caused Tara's mother to seek someone else. Is Quinn - despite his dipsomania - a more authentic/less worshipful and duplicitous version of Nathan. Ex: My best friend's brother later became my better friend. They share so many wonderful traits...but in the end he has proven more constant and sympatico. Who can account for that?



And Beth: I really want to give her a break.:( But only a total neurotic can stretch things as she does:
Quote:
About half an hour since she learned who her father had really loved; and why he had left. About half an hour since she learned that Tara hadn’t been satisfied with her own family; she had taken Beth’s, too.
Come on! She is the epitome of projection!:mad



Finally I agree totally and immutably with Grimmy:
Quote:
Well, the good thing to come out of this mess is that Tara isn't Donnie's sister:)




I leave now to seek a tonic and something chocolatey.



TYAs Always ^^^^^Suse p.s. I am more than two.;)

Cindy Lou Who
 


Responses

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sat Mar 08, 2003 7:33 pm

Hey Kittens: First of all, thanks for the feedback. Second of all (and please forgive the random placement of this observation), I just watched "King of the Hill"--AB's first movie--and oh my goddess, is it incredible! The whole thing is marvelous. And if anyone has any doubts that Amber can act, check this out. She has one scene in particular that's just amazing. I love this woman!



OK--on to the feedback.



Rose:
Once again, you take the yellow jersey! Yes, Tara has lost so much (both tangible and intangible) in such a short amount of time. It makes for the aches, yes? Thanks!



BFR from Paris: Bonjour! Comment ca-va? (Is that even remotely correct?) I think a lot of people are being struck by the multiple, simultaneous loss that Tara is experiencing right now, w/ the exception of a new half-sister--who currently seems to despise her. Thanks for checking this out and sending in the feedback, BFR--tu es plus gentile que je peux dire. (Previous parenthetical question posed once more.)



Grimmy: Indeed--Tara now knows that she shares only one parent w/ Donnie, which taps into one of the questions that I'm playing with in this story: how much influence does our blood legacy dictate? Isn't it amazing that Nathan was so besotted w/ Julia that he would settle for a strained, alienated marriage (and raise another man's daughter as his own even while blaming that daughter to some extent) rather than part from her, thus letting both of them have a chance at happiness w/ someone else? Thanks for keeping up with this story and sending in your reactions.



Patches: Hey girl! Gotta get over to "True Gift" and check out the update, now that I've wrestled this chapter to the ground. You ask how Tara remains vertical? Good question, and I'd just like to add that if she felt the need to be horizontal, I for one would race to her side to aid in that cause. That's just the kind of lesbian I am...I agree w/ you: Nathan feels at least some measure of relief, even as the last vestiges of his charade are stripped away, because he has revealed The Great Secret. You have a nice grasp of Nathan (which can't be too pleasant for you! Grasping Nathan, that is) and his motivations. As you note, he isn't terribly complex. (Though not all farmers are simple--I can attest to that!) As I read your ideas, I found myself thinking of contraction versus growth. Nathan responded to loss, threat, and grief by restricting: his emotions, his vulnerability, his capacity for gentleness. By contrast, I see Tara and Julia as people inclined to expansion, and growth--they reach out (not always with the best forethought or result), they risk, they share. I think you're especially dead-on correct when you note that Nathan still loved Julia but never forgave her. What a powerful, tragic combination.



Thanks for reading this story and for offering such great, thoughtful feedback, Patches. This Queen of (T)Issues smiles when she sees your name on the thread.



Jixer: I like your take on love and need; I especially like your observation that none of these children were responsible for their parents' mistakes, yet the bill is being delivered to their doorsteps. Julia and Quinn are beyond accounting for their behavior; and now Tara will have to make whatever peace she can with what she's just learned. Thanks for following this story and taking the time to write.



Cindy Lou Who/'Tis a treat to see you! Isn't it vexing when our moral absolutes start wavering around the edges? And isn't "vexing" just a fun word to say? As Patches noted, Julia's infidelity is certainly problematic, but most people are reacting more to her taking Donnie along with her. I'm a big fan of the idea that we often react to our greatest fears by doing things that actually serve to bring them to pass. Nathan was so afraid of losing control (of himself, of Julia--since he seemed to give up hope of having her love--and of his home) that he did things which probably played no small part in her infidelity. I'm not saying that she isn't responsible for her own behaviors, but I hope people don't forget that we're only hearing Nathan's side of what happened in those days--who knows what Julia would say if she could speak? And of course, Tara wishes she could speak, so that she (Tara) could ask her why she did what she did. Thanks for reading, CLW, as well as for confirming my suspicions about your real age!



More later!

Mary


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Re: Part 17

Postby JustSkipIt » Sat Mar 08, 2003 7:50 pm

Mary,



Well, I'm behind here. It's been a challenge to get online for me for a little while but here I am. Part 16 was great but I was kind of expecting all of it. No slight on you but I had figured it out ahead of time, with the letter and everything and certainly by the "you never were". But what I loved about it was the absolute steadfastness of Willow's love and all the scoobies. They are an absolute rock!



Then part 17. Absolutely wonderful. Nathan might be a monster but he's a monster with a heart. Which really is the point isn't it? Every monster has pain and joy. Every monster suffers or he/she wouldn't make others suffer. But I love all Tara's reactions: that she can't lose both her parents, that she doesn't know how to address Nathan, that she is confused about her relationship to Quinn. It's wonderful and great and great job!! Debra :wave

---

"War may be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary it is always evil." - President Jimmy Carter after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize



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Re: Part 17

Postby VampNo12 » Sat Mar 08, 2003 11:36 pm

Mary, you sly one... exposing my sacred "briefs" ;) (which is me saying I got a kick out of your disclaimer for this part :lol ). As for the update itself another thought-provoking chapter!



I found the snippets of the past quite illuminating... setting a tone for how a family deals with upheaval. Or in other words, Beth's family was "loud"... where trouble was revealed (ie Quinn/Margaret lashed out through confrontation... in a way knew where they stood with each other). By the same token the strife between Nathan/Julia was "quiet" ("bubbling underneath the surface"), where the affair (betrayal) lingered in the background without any resolution (ie by not bringing the "dirty secret" into the light, they were walking on eggshells... adding to the pain/tension). Here by not dealing with the truth (Julia's betrayal, as well as the demon heritage), their deceit influenced how they behaved, which in the end caused more damage (harm) than simply confronting the issues in the first place. Really these are flawed individuals, and what happened to their family (in many ways) a "tragedy" that could of been avoided if they trusted enough in the other... even if the "price" meant "letting go" (which of course is easier said than done).



What I'm finding insightful in judging their actions is simply how one reacts. I do feel for Nathan, and on one level I understand how love (fear of losing what you most treasure... his wife) motivated him in how he dealt with his wife's betrayal. Really I can't imagine having to suffer in silence, being confronted daily that your wife might be physically present, but emotionally not there. So yes, he did take on a huge burden, but he wasn't being "noble" by not confronting Julia with the truth. Rather Nathan used avoidance in order to maintain a hold on his wife (ie he rather suffer emotionally than let her go... "I thought if I told her. She might feel like she had to leave... No. She was my wife and I wanted her to stay my wife.").



With this in mind, if Nathan simply avoided a confrontation (due to his fears) I could label his actions misguided (Nathan saying, "We don't get a chance in who we love, Tara. Your mother tore me apart like a tornado blowing through a haystack, but I still loved her. I still wanted to fall asleep next to her, and wake up next to her."). However, Nathan didn't simply avoid, he actively caused pain (his need to "punish" Julia) with controlling her... making sure she not only stays with him, but manipulating her further in order to put a stop to her affair (ie "I told her I'd noticed some changes in her, and that it scared me....."). I guess what I'm trying to say is Nathan's motives were always selfish, but what started out as guilt by the way he acted in order to keep his hold on her... Julia's betrayal led him to become "punitive" in nature. Thus, the "cost" was too high a price to pay... his behavior led him to become the "demon" he always hated (feared) inside himself... beating Donnie in the name of "protection", refusing to give Julia peace at the end, and allowing his resentment (what Tara represented) to "color" how he handled his/Donnie's treatment of her.



Lastly, what's even worse for Tara is not being able to confront her mother (as well as her newfound father... Quinn), with hearing their side of the story (ie it will be hard to attain "true" closure without their perspectives). Although, with the love, strength, and support of her "family" (Willow/gang), I believe Tara has the right "ingredients" to truly put the past where it belongs... in the past, and focus on the "light"... her future with Willow. As for Tara's newfound sister (Beth) what I found enlightening was her thinking, ("She was good at hiding; good at keeping herself invisible even to folks who could have seen her if they'd looked at all clearly."). Really this conveys so well how "lost" Beth is... her need to belong, and hoping to find her place with Nathan. However, Tara returns and again she is sent "away" to Tara's room no less (ie by Nathan labeling the room "Tara's"... there is still ownership, a sense of Beth just being a "stand-in" for who truly belongs... Tara). Again the labeling of the room indicates that Tara imbues in Nathan "push/pull" type of feelings (ie she is a "symbol" of his most intense pain, but at the same time needs her presence for the beauty/love she also represents... the "goodness" of Julia), and now Beth (who resented Tara without full knowledge of the truth), must be even more bitter knowing the facts (ie her thinking, "About half an hour since she learned that Tara hadn't been satisfied with her own family; she had taken Beth's too."). Here I wonder how the news will affect Beth... will she still hide behind her "pious image" using subtlety to make inroads, or will her hurt with this reveal be a bigger blow to her sense of not belonging (a "family" to call her own), that she blames Tara even more than before (ie driving Beth "over the edge"... moving her from annoying to becoming dangerous to Tara)? Can't wait to see what happens next!



Vicki (known secretly to some as "Miss Briefs" :) )















Edited by: VampNo12  at: 3/9/03 2:20:14 pm
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Re: Part 17

Postby TemperedCynic » Sun Mar 09, 2003 1:37 am

I haven't read a fic that keeps W/T in the Buffyverse, yet so compellingly puts canon on its ear! Tara's world - everything she thought she knew since childhood has been ripped away in an afternoon. Donnie was hoping to cause some mischief, but I doudt his limited wit could have dreamed of anything this devastating to Tara. I have read many fics on the Kitten Board, and Tara's mother has always been cast in a sympathetic light and the father less so. Kudos for breaking the mold, and showing ME how to create believable "shades of gray" personalities. Please continue - I know I'll be waiting!


More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly. Woody Allen (1935 - )

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Re: Part 17

Postby Grimaldi » Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:13 pm

great update :)



poor Tara, she finds out that her mother cheated on the man that she thought was her dad, and now her real dad is dead. good thing she has her real family-Willow and the scoobies there for support. i take it the phone call Beth made was to Donnie to tell him where Tara is.

You can't just go declaring shenanigans on innocent people, that's how wars get started!
I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?
Did you just say the 'F' word?

Grimaldi
 


Re: Part 17

Postby Washi » Sun Mar 09, 2003 4:19 pm

Wow, this story keeps twisteing and turning with my head (in a good way). :D

The writing is great, the style is very poingnant, love it, and I'l be waiting for the update. :D

Washi
 


Giggle Interlude

Postby drshersher » Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:46 pm

At the risk of interupting the flow of the excellent intelectual discussions of the intriguing psychosocial layers of Tara's family portrayed in this fic, I have wanted to share something with the Kittens and this seems to be the place, since this fic portrays Nathan Mclay as a farmer.

Those Kittens in the U.S. may have seen a Sprint cell phone service commercial which features the actor who portrayed Nathan Mclay as--you guessed it--a farmer, complete with boots, jeans, plaid shirt and cap.

He is complaining about how he tried to order 200 oxen, but the static on his current cell phone service is so bad that he got 200 dachshund instead.

When I see the commercial, I can't help but think to myself, "No wonder Nathan Mclay wanted Tara to return home. You KNOW that if Tara was around, they would never have made such a stupid mistake."

Then, as the commercial ends, we hear the word "Stampede!" as dachshunds begin running across the screen. This leaves me with the pleasant thought of Nathan, Donnie, and a hired hand running around trying to corral 200 wiener dogs. That image never fails to bring a smile to my face.

Okay, enough of the blurring of the line between TV BtVS and a silly comercial. Just wanted to provide a quick giggle. Back to the much more important and intelligent discussion of the thread. And the patient waiting for the next update.PussInBoots



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Re: Giggle Interlude

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:51 pm

Oh my God, PussinBoots, that's hysterical! I haven't seen the commercial, but now I certainly want to, in part b/c it's hard to imagine that person looking anything but grim and judgemental. (I guess that's why they call it "acting," huh?)



The other qreat humor aspect to this (aside from the obvious, of course) is that I've never known any farmer who ordered his/her live stock over the phone, much less 200 head! I'm trying to imagine my father or brother doing it, and it cracks me up. ("Hello--Holsteins-R-Us? Yes, I'd like 200 heifers and a very energetic bull.")



Thanks for the info, PiB!

AntigoneUnbound
 


Another response - mainly Pt 16 & XS Caffeine

Postby Bagheera » Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:44 pm

Antigone Unbound:

Some musings on "Gods Served and Abandoned" I composed the other morning while grinding my coffee.



Can we hark back to the title for just a moment. When do we serve gods and abandon them? When they are no more use to us...when we realise that they are false. When we understand that the god-like attributes we ascribed to them aren't really there, that they are in fact reflections of those parts of ourselves that we need to put aside in order to grow as people. How does this relate to the story so far?



Nathan - He's most complex of all. He worshipped Julia, even though (or perhaps because) he always felt inferior to her. He wasn't good-looking, clever or well-spoken enough for her; the sum total of these beliefs being his conviction that he is part-demon. But his worship was always dysfunctional. To keep Julia, he whipped himself in a frenzy of lies and domination. All of which destroyed Julia's love for him. He still hasn't let go of his god - the idealised Julia - and perhaps never will. The big problem with other characters interacting with him is that he is a self-confessed liar. Under cross-examination, the question must always be put to Nathan: "Well, you've lied non-stop in the past; why should I accept that you're not lying now?"



Donnie - He's a tough one to sort out, full of resentmenty, schemes and manipulation. At the moment he's serving a dark god within himself. Perhaps he can be seen as an embryonic version of his father, just waiting for a object of worship that he can obsess over.



Tara - This is the really interesting bit. Her life's anchor was always her mother's love, and Tara has long held an idealised view of her. Did Tara serve her mother as a god? A bit, perhaps. But she is now confronted by a new perspective - Nathan's - and his allegation of Julia's infidelity. But Tara is well placed to put this news in perspective and grow from it. At the moment she feels confusion and loss, but with time, the supposedly earth-shattering revelation that her mother was a human being is not going to pose too many problems for her. Having Willow with her will definitely be a great help, along with the rest of her new adoptive family. Except Xander, he's no help at all.



Which leaves a big question mark over Beth. You're too good a writer to plonk Beth in Nathan's house just to get in the way and be a courier for Donnie and the box (I wrote this before you posted the most recent part, so of course I feel vindicated already). And as for her behaviour towards Nathan! She has turned her back on her own mother to serve this empty shell of god. What's in it for her?



All I can say with any confidence is that there are many more twists left in this story. Thanks for writing it, Mary.



B.

"They fed me behind bars from an iron pan till one night I felt that I was Bagheera--the Panther-- and no man's plaything, and I broke the silly lock with one blow of my paw and came away." Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Responses

Postby BFR from Paris » Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:04 am

Mary, your French is really okay, you only made two minor spelling mistakes ;) (comment ça va? <- no hyphen ; gentille <- two "l")



Christine :)

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Re: Part 17

Postby mollyig » Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:43 am

I loved how Tara's thoughts constantly turned to Willow as Nathan told his tale. Focusing on her girl to give herself the strength to listen.



After hearing the conversation between Tara and Nathan, I imagine Beth will become even more bitter. Intrigued as to what her reaction might be.



Thanks.

Love is a place I dream of. A face that never leaves my mind
Luka Bloom

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Re: Responses

Postby Vampivy » Tue Mar 11, 2003 2:09 am

So Tara’s dad (Quinn) is dead:| . Does this mean it’s official and not a terrible nightmare? Tara’s mom did cheat? And this entire ordeal is actually real. Damn:eek . Here I was hoping all this was a dream sequence with a happy ending soon to come.

I’m completely glued to my computer screen. Ouch:stink . I too am very surprised that Tara is still upright and hasn’t fainted or something. She’s on the verge though. This is too much info to find out in one day. Thank god Willow is there and the scoobies bless them all. How much worse can things get? Oh wait Donnie can show up and be the icing on the cake.



A bumpy ride indeed Mary. I’m just really dumfounded by all the events so far. I. Must. Read. More.



Thanx Mary for this.:peace



Patty



Vampivy
 


Final replies before posting

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:30 pm

Hello, Kitties. Once again, I must apologize for the day's delay in posting. I was just exhausted last night and suspected that I couldn't give it the attention to detail that I wanted to. Hope you enjoy this next part, and thanks for your continued reading and feedback. You rock!



Bagheera: I love your parallels to the gods we keep and those we abandon, b/c it definitely reflects my own thinking on the subject. I found myself shaking my head in agreement as I read your observations on the various characters. You make an excellent point about Nathan's habitual mendacity: Can we believe him? I have to admit that Beth really captures my interest (not to be confused w/ admiration/affection). I feel for her: she's resorted to various passive-aggressive actions because (I believe) she feels powerless to act too directly. And part of those attempt have been in hopes of becoming an acolyte to this "hollow shell of a god," to use your apt phrase. What has it cost her, and what sacrifices will she make to hold onto this god or find a new one? Thanks for the great observations, Bagheera; coffee is truly an inspiration, isn't it?



BFR from Paris: Merci pour tes mots. (Am I being too familiar? And even if I'm not, is that right?) I appreciate the clarifications! Hope you enjoy this next part.



Mollyig: Bagheera also finds Beth intriguing, as do I. I feel like she could so easily bend in various directions, especially now that she feels so bereft of what she thought she knew. Thanks for reading, Mollyig, and taking the time to write.



Patty: Great feedback, Patty. A dream sequence? Wouldn't it be nice if the last 1.5 years of the show were just a dream (nightmare)? Ye gods...You know, it's gotta hurt to be glued to your screen--did you find an ointment for that? (Have you ever seen "A Christmas Story," where the kid gets his tongue stuck on the frozen flag pole on a double-dog dare? I thought of that as I read your post and just cracked up.) You're right--Tara is close to information overload. I really struggled with just how much to include in one day's revelations. Thanks for following this story and sending in such kind words.



OK--On to the update.

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Part 18

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:10 am

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers:
ME owns these characters. I do, however, own a television on which I used to watch the show. I’m sure ME owns a TV, and I suspect Vicki does as well. All of which begs the question: Are Mutant Enemy, Vicki, and I the same person? Have you ever seen us all photographed at the same time?

Spoilers:
Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain Big Bad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.

Rating:
R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.

Distribution:
Sure, with acknowledgement.

Feedback:
Even more sure! Bring it on!


*****
Part 18
*****



I have no parents. My parents are dead. My mother is dead, and the man who was really my biological father is dead. I can never talk to him. And I can never talk to her about what happened.

Variations of these thoughts echoed in Tara’s head for several seconds, and she watched them ripple out from her brain to begin stitching a new fabric for her life’s story.

The past twenty-four hours had been a succession of blows to what she had always accepted as reality. After learning that her mother had no demon in her, she had found that her father did. Only he wasn’t her father; her uncle was. The man she had called "Uncle Quinn" had had an affair with her mother, in which she herself had been conceived, and eventually he had left his wife as well as the woman he loved and two daughters. Now he was dead.

The only constant was the invisible cord that held her close to Willow, anchoring her to a family that didn’t build hollow existences on the ruins of lies.

My parents are dead but my mate lives. So I can live, too.

Finally, she drew a shuddering breath and looked at Nathan shakily. "You’re saying Quinn is dead? That there’s no way for me to talk to him?"

Nathan’s gaze was unreadable. Did he regret her pain? Did he relish it?

"That’s right. I heard from Beverly last September. She said he called her from Tulsa; that’s where he ended up. She’s the one who told him that Julia had died. They spoke a couple of times, but he never wanted to get together. She got the impression that he was drinking even more. Apparently, his stomach started to bleed one night and two days later, he was dead. He had told the hospital that Beverly was his next of kin." Nathan smiled thinly. "Not his wife, who he never divorced, and neither of his two daughters."

Tara looked down again, feeling bludgeoned by the concussive force of the revelations. She had always been thoughtful, contemplative; she preferred the chance to reflect on things within her own mind before giving voice to those thoughts. Now, though, she felt as if she were on stage beneath an unyielding spotlight. As she tried to quiet the pounding in her head, she felt Willow lean closer, enclosing Tara’s hand in both of her own.

"Baby, are you OK?" she whispered. "Do you need some fresh air; maybe take a break?"

Tara looked up to see Willow’s worried gaze, the latter’s brow arching in question. Suddenly, the need to be outside felt so overwhelming as to leave her almost dizzy. She tried to speak, but the words seemed to collide and tumble within her head. She closed her eyes for a moment, and then nodded.

"Yeah, that actually sounds like a good idea." She drew herself up straight, and looked at Nathan. What do I call him? As the two gazed at each other, the incredible irony sank into Tara’s awareness: in the process of learning that this man was not her father, she had come to know and understand him more than she had ever imagined possible.

Maybe we’re beyond titles now. "I need a little time to think," she said, half-amazed that she hadn’t stuttered. She turned to Willow. "Maybe we could just go into town for a bit; get something to drink or whatever." It was close to six o’clock, but she could no more imagine eating than indulging in sex games with Xander, and both were approximately equal in their appeal. All she knew was that she needed to be away from the man in front of her, and the house, with all of its pictures that lied. And away from Beth, who sat upstairs unaware that they were sisters.

"You’re just going to head back to college now? After everything you just learned?" Nathan sounded incredulous, snapping out of his seeming blankness.

"No," Tara replied evenly. "I just need to get my bearings and think about this a little bit. You’ve known all of this for two decades. I think it’s pretty reasonable that I’d need to catch my breath after everything you’ve told me." Again, she felt a ripple of surprise at her bluntness with her father—with Nathan, she corrected herself. Standing, she was glad to feel Willow’s hand on the small of her back, an unspoken assurance that she would steady her, hold her up.

"So you’ll come back?" Nathan’s voice sounded almost hopeful. Hopeful of what?

"Yes, but I won’t be staying. We all need to get back…home." She saw his jaw tighten at the word, and wasn’t sure whether she felt sorry for him or outraged. Both, she realized, and probably a whole slew of other feelings that I can’t even imagine right now.

Turning to leave the room, she suddenly thought of another house that had been shaken to the ground. "Does Beth know? About any of this?"

Nathan shrugged. "I’m almost certain she doesn’t. I’m sure Margaret told her Quinn was dead, but nothing more than that."

Tara shook her head. Had any of these alleged adults, years ago, thought of the price their children would have to pay for their own fears? She fought the urge to run out of the house. Instead, she walked deliberately toward the kitchen. Reaching the threshold, she saw that the group had pulled on their jackets and windbreakers and were already coming to meet her. So they heard all of that, too. Her vision grew blurry for a moment as she took in the love and gentleness of the faces before her. Afraid that her voice would fail her, she squeezed Willow’s hand in a silent plea.

"Hey guys," her mate said quietly. "Let’s get out of here for awhile." So saying, she turned, and the group filed out of the kitchen door that opened onto the side porch. No one said anything until they reached the car, and then, with no warning, Dawn turned and buried her face against Tara’s shoulder, wrapping her slender arms around her with a strength that Tara couldn’t have guessed she had. Tara was stunned, but only for a moment, and then she enfolded the younger girl tightly into her arms, resting her cheek against the brown hair. She felt Dawn’s shoulders trembling slightly, and murmured, "It’s OK, Dawnie. I’m alright." The others watched with a mixture of discomfort and sadness, but Tara was content to focus on Dawn for this time.

After a couple of minutes, Dawn reluctantly pulled back a few inches from Tara’s embrace, and looked up at her with glistening eyes. She seemed unable to speak, and instead reached up to Tara’s face with shaking fingers, where she hesitantly wiped away the tears that Tara hadn’t even realized she’d shed. Tara managed a tiny smile, and pulled Dawn close to her again, whispering as if sharing a secret with the younger girl alone, "I love you, Dawnie. You’re my family now."

They piled into the car in silence.

*****

Beth must have walked back upstairs. She couldn’t remember doing so, but now she was standing in front of what used to be Tara’s room, so she must have done it.

She watched her hand extend to the doorknob and twist it slowly. Giving a slight push, she saw the objects in the room grow closer with the steps that she must be taking. Finally she reached the bed, and watched as her hands sank to the blue and white quilt and she lowered herself onto the mattress. She didn’t lie down. She just sat, very quietly, and thought about things.

*****

Fifteen minutes after Buffy had slid the car into gear, they were pulling up beside a small diner. The faded red lettering on the window proclaimed this to be "Jack’s Place." Jack, like most Cold Springs proprietors, had apparently seen better days.

The conversation on the way had been slight, after Tara had quietly told them that she needed some time to digest it all. Now, as they took their seats around a large table toward the back of the diner, everyone exchangeduncertain glances, or devoted profound consideration to the knives and forks resting on the chipped gray Formica.

"So—your father isn’t really your father," Anya finally said brightly, apparently unable to tolerate the silent tension anymore. Far better for her, it seemed, was the loudly proclaimed tension.

Xander looked at his girlfriend with a mixture of disbelief and consternation, while Willow’s mouth formed a thin slash and she glared at the ex-demon without remorse. Tara, however, found the observation almost unspeakably amusing—to the point of near-hysteria. Her laughter, quiet at first, quickly gained volume and vigor until tears were streaming down her face. Well, this should just confirm their original suspicions that I’m a freak. But she couldn’t help it, and sherealized with surprise that she didn’t really want to help it.

"Apparently not," she finally managed to reply through her laughter. She knew that everyone but Willow was staring at her as if she’d just told them that she had converted to Satanism and intended to round up a few animals back at the farm for ritual sacrifices.

"I’m sorry," she continued, her laughter finally abating. "It’s just—I can’t believe this. This morning my main concern was whether I had any demon in me. And apparently I don’t, but it’s sort of hard to focus on that part, considering everything I’ve learned in the past two hours." Willow’s hand rested lightly on her leg, giving a gentle squeeze of reassurance.

"Tara," Giles began, clearing his throat. "One can only begin to imagine what you’re going through right now. I suspect there aren’t really words for it."

"Except for ‘hellish,’ ‘unreal,’ and possibly ‘mind-bending,’" Xander added with a sardonic grin. Tara met his eyes, and they shared a brief smile—the kinship of estrangement from one’s kin.

A tall, reed-thin server whose name tag suggested she might respond to "Angie" appeared at their table, plunking down menus and promising to return with water. The conversation halted briefly while they considered their gustatory options. Tara barely glanced at her menu; it was hard to imagine ever being hungry again.

"So, uh, Tara—you’ve eaten here before. Any suggestions?" Buffy asked.

"Stay away from the seafood buffet," Tara replied absently. "It’s basically Mrs. Pauls, deep-fat-fried."

The server returned, depositing glasses of water from her tray. "You folks aren’t from around here, are you?" she inquired. "Pretty sure I’ve never served you before—except for you," she added abruptly, suddenly noticing Tara at the far end of the table.

Tara nodded, not terribly happy to have been recognized.

"What’s your name, Honey?" Both Willow and Dawn glanced up sharply at this, and Tara made a mental note to explain the custom of greeting everyone with terms that implied you were about to sleep with them.

"Tara," she answered simply.

"Who’s your family, Sweetie?" Tara could see Willow and Dawn frowning. Remind me to write a short story about this sometime.

Aloud, she replied, "Maclay."

"Maclay…" Angie frowned, considering the name. Then she brightened. "Oh, you’re Nathan and Julia’s girl." She grinned as she placed Tara in her personal Cold Springs reference guide.

Tara felt her heart constrict to the point of bursting, but managed to nod and give what she hoped was a reasonable facsimile of a smile.

Angie’s own smile dimmed. "Julia was such a nice lady. I’ve only seen your daddy a few times, but your mom came in here a lot. She was one of the classiest people I’ve ever met."

Tara couldn’t imagine speaking, but knew she had to. Swallowing heavily, she said simply, "Thank you. You’re very kind."

Angie gave her a sympathetic smile and turned back to the others. "You all know what you want, or do you need a few more minutes?"

Soon, Angie had taken their orders back to the kitchen, the scribbling of her pencil pausing only briefly when she heard Giles’ English accent. She winked at him and said, "Hope you enjoy our little slice of American cuisine, Honey," which seemed to appease Willow and Dawn considerably.

As she walked away, Tara felt tears pricking her eyes. "Except I’m not, am I? Nathan’s girl, at least." She fell silent, uncomfortably aware of the others’ eyes upon her. She hated being the center of attention, and there was no way that she couldn’t be right now. She was the very reason these people were sitting here in an old diner, preparing to dig into roast beef with mashed potatoes and gravy and other home-style eats.

As the silence lingered, she fought the urge to drop her head. Clearing her throat, she said, "I feel like I should apologize for what this day turned into."

A chorus of protests greeted this. "Tara, this is what friends do," Buffy said vehemently. "Besides vanquishing the undead and averting world cataclysm, of course."

"Buffy’s right," Xander nodded. "If you gotta go through this, I’m glad we’re here."

"And I’ve hardly thought about the money we’re losing at the Magic Box," Anya offered earnestly. "I mean, here it is, a beautiful day when people might well be out doing their holiday shopping—I can only guess how much we’d have cleared—but it’s barely crossed my mind."

Willow just shook her head, but Tara reached across the table and squeezed Anya’s hand. "You really do care, don’t you?" she asked, with just a trace of a grin.

"More than most people around here seem to realize," Anya replied pointedly, as Angie returned with their drinks.

When she had left again, Giles leaned forward, speaking softly. "Tara, do you believe your father? All of what he told you?"

Tara had pondered this question on the way into town. Looking at the kind face before her, she shook her head in tired bewilderment. "I think so. I just don’t see what reason he’d have to lie. I think he wrote the letter when and why he said he did; and I…" She was having trouble putting the rest into words. Finally, she bit her lip and said, "I think he was telling the truth about Mom, too…As much as I don’t want to believe she could do such a thing, I think it’s true."

Dawn’s voice rose in protest. "But couldn’t he just be telling you that to hurt you, Tara? I mean, it’s an awful thing to imagine, but he just seems so…so hurt and bitter about their marriage falling apart. Maybe he just wants to taint your image of your mother."

Tara gave a bitter laugh. "Well, he did a good job with that one…I mean, she took Donnie with her. What in the goddess’ name was she thinking about?" She felt her throat tighten as she remembered Nathan’s graphic depiction.

She couldn’t face that yet, she realized. She needed to be alone with Willow for that conversation. Returning to the issue of Nathan’s veracity, she continued, "The thing is, by telling me what he did, he also knew that he would set me free." Her words stunned her even as she spoke them, but she realized it was true. If she wasn’t Nathan’s biological daughter, there was no chance of her having any demon heritage. And such a heritage was the only factor that had even a remote chance of dragging her back to Cold Springs.

The others fell silent as they considered this fact. Finally, Giles murmured, "Nathan seems to be a very…complex man, Tara. It’s hard to know exactly what his motivation is."

"I agree," Buffy nodded. "On the one hand, he has to know how much it would hurt you to hear about your mother and his brother." She halted, looking at Tara as if apologizing for the words. "But on the other hand, he just assured you that you don’t have to worry about any kind of demonic legacy, which means he really does have no scare tactics left to try to force you back home."

Tara felt an unexpected twinge as she replied, "Maybe he’s decided he really doesn’t want me at home." Why should that thought make me sad? It's not like I want to be there…

"I don’t know," Giles said slowly. "From what I could, um, overhear, he didn’t want you to leave just now. I have the impression that he does want you back home. The question is, for what reason?"

Tara looked up to see Angie returning with their food. At Willow’s urging, she had ordered a small cup of baked potato soup and was surprised to find herself savoring its aroma. As everyone focused on their meals, Tara took the opportunity to look more closely at Willow. Her beloved had been unusually quiet since they arrived at the diner. Leaning in toward her, Tara whispered, "Are you OK, Sweetie?"

As Willow looked up at her, Tara realized that her eyes were filled with tears, rendering the usually-clear emerald gaze a glassy opaque. Willow shook her head helplessly.

"I just—I can’t stand watching you go through this, Baby," Willow replied softly, her voice obscured from the others by the clinking of cheap cutlery on cheap plates. "You’ve been through so much—too much—and I just want to do something to make it all end." She drew in a small, hitched breath and added, "It kills me to see you hurt, Tara." At this, a tear finally edged over her lid and trickled down her cheek.

Unable to speak, Tara simply took Willow’s hand and kissed it with infinite gentleness. "As long as you’re my future, I can handle anything about my past," she managed to whisper, and realized that it was true. They held each other’s eyes for a long moment, and then Willow gave her a tiny smile.

Taking a spoonful of the surprisingly good soup, she heard Dawn say, "Well, there’s one good thing: Donnie isn’t your full brother. I mean, you’re nothing like him anyway, but…Well, I don’t know. That just seems good somehow."

"It is," Tara confirmed. "We could argue nature versus nurture until the cows come home—which is about sevenish, around here—and never know for sure why Donnie turned out the way he did, but it does feel good to know we only have one parent in common." Frowning, she added, "Although I have to admit, I felt kinda sorry for him, when Dad—when he talked about beating Donnie the way he did." Not to mention the fact that Donnie was dragged along whenever Mom had a rendezvous with her husband’s brother—my father.

"I know," Xander replied. "I was all set to hate my dad, and then I found out that his father was an alcoholic who used to drag him into bars and basically forget about him until closing time, and then drive him home three sheets to the wind." His voice grew quiet as he remembered. "The gray zone sucks…I like my women adventurous, my tools sharp, and my evil unambiguous." He shook his head.

Willow spoke up now, angrily. "I don’t care what he went through when he was little…I mean, OK, I do, because no kid should be beaten, ever; but that’s no excuse for the way he treated you. He beat on you—he terrorized you—because you were smaller than him. He took out all of his anger on you, and hit you where your parents wouldn’t see it, and there’s no excuse for that." She stopped, and drew in a gulping breath.

The table fell silent, and Tara realized that not everyone knew just how abusive Donnie had been. She could see Willow come to the same realization. Green eyes looked helplessly at her, filled with apology for the spill. Tara could only smile sadly, and took hold of Willow’s hand.

"So Donnie beat you up?" Dawn asked, eyes narrowing. "Like, all the time?"

Tara gave what she suspected was a sorry excuse for a grin. "Well, not all the time…Tuesdays were usually pretty calm." Bad joke, but I just can’t go into the full horror story right here in the middle of Jack’s Diner.

"Can I stake him?" Buffy asked Giles flatly. "If he’s half demon, does that make him fair game?"

"Guys, please—I know you’re just being protective, and I...God, I love it; it’s a totally new experience for me. But…" She sighed, trying to find words. "I’m so tired of all the anger and the hurting and the violence. I have to make my own peace with all this, and inflicting pain to heal from pain seems like a dubious enterprise." She smiled again, this time with more actual humor. "Although if anyone feels the need to knee him in the groin if you ever see him again, I wouldn’t exactly file charges."

"What about Beth?" Anya piped up. "If Nathan’s telling the truth, she’s your half-sister."

"I know," Tara said, shaking her head as another relationship in her life tilted and reshaped itself before her.

"Maybe…maybe the two of you could end up being friends," Dawn offered hesitantly. "You know—you’ve both had such a rough time with your parents; maybe you could sort of help each other out." She stopped, and then shrugged with exaggerated nonchalance. "I mean, Buffy may be a little rough around the edges, but I don’t know how I would have gotten through Mom and Dad’s divorce without her." She glanced at Tara with an embarrassed smile. "But if you ever tell her that, I’ll never drink milkshakes with you again."

Once again, the table fell silent; this time, though, for a different reason. Dawn, however, didn’t realize that, and continued looking at Tara with barely-disguised adoration.

*****

Her mind seemed to be slogging through some nearly-impenetrable mire. From one corner of her mind, she watched herself thinking, and wondered why it was so difficult to put thoughts together. She knew she wasn’t stupid. Why was her brain moving so slowly?

Her father had had an affair with Tara’s mother. Apparently, he had loved her, enough to leave town—leave his daughter—rather than be near her and unable to touch her.

Except he had left two daughters. Tara was also his little girl.

And he was dead.

Her mother hadn’t told her about that.

*****

The ride back to Tara’s house was less constrained than the trip into town. Tara could still feel herself tumbling from anger to grief to disbelief, but she had been shored up by the brief respite. She could face this house, this man, again, knowing that she would soon leave and go back to the place most truly called "home."

"I think I’m ready to leave, at least for now," she said as Buffy tooled down the winding lane. "I need to go back to Sunnydale, think about all of this—and talk everything over with Willow," she added, hoping Willow had forgiven herself for her earlier disclosure. After everything this day has held, Love, do you really think I would be angry about one slip, made in the heat of protecting me?

"Well, whatever you need to do, Tara," Buffy replied, catching Tara’s eye in the rearview mirror. Tara smiled back at her gratefully.

One of my friends is a vampire slayer…The Vampire Slayer. And she wants to kick my tormentor’s ass for me, at the very place where I was most vulnerable. Things really do change…

As they rounded the bend, Tara heard Dawn say from the front seat, "Tara, it looks like there’s company. Do you know who it is?"

Leaning forward to peer between the two sisters, Tara felt her heart begin to pound until it was ringing in her ears. Sinking back against Willow, she said quietly, "It’s Donnie."

*****


To be continued



Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 3/12/03 11:26:51 am
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Re: Final replies before posting

Postby Washi » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:18 am

OMG! I loved this part. The whole group being so protective. That's just great. But you're also evil! How can you leave us with that cliffhanger? How! :grin

I want someone to kick Donnie's ass, and kick it good. Dunno, I always hated that b... that boy! :mad

Great stuff as always, and I'll be eating my fingernails waiting for the next update. :grin

Washi
 

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