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Re: Part 24

Postby justin » Fri Apr 18, 2003 4:10 am

That was a great update. As always you really brought the characters to life and made them seem real.







I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am


justin
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby Grimaldi » Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:35 am

great update :grin



Willow's comment about going home for some Tara-tots was funny.

I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

Grimaldi
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby Puff » Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:38 am

Quote:
what adorns the heads of our most wonderful girls in your picture




Well that would be wimples. I find the word incredibly funny and so a good friend of mine made the avatar wimpling (if that's a word) Willow and Tara and um a website for me so that I just chuckle all the time. No it's not a nun thing, it's just really funny. I hope that explains it, but it probably doesn't :)



Cheese. It's milk that you chew.

Puff
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby molsongrrrl » Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:51 am

Great update! i loved the bit with Willow trying to figure why the monks would send the key to such a dangerous place -- that never made sense to me either!!!



thanks so much for continuing this story ... and looking forward to more as always!



:kitty

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

molsongrrrl
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby jixer » Fri Apr 18, 2003 3:17 pm

Hello Kittens-



This fic just keeps building on itself both logically and beautifully. Dawn is the Key, a fourteen year old little sister, and a Scoobie we actually care about. Willow is asking questions, thinking, feeling, and worrying or in other words she's Willow. The Scoobies are here, down to Anya's uncertainty about what to do and Giles' unacknowledged feelings for Joyce. I'd cite more parts I love about this update but I'd just have to quote it all.



Thank you so much for this,



Jixer

jixer
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby Cindy Lou Who » Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:49 pm

Mary:



Sorry to hear you'd prefer not to receive feedback anymore. I really enjoyed letting you know how much your writing has meant to me.



Sincerely~



~Suse



*************************************************************

"The applause of a single human being is of great consequence."

~Boswell's Life of Samuel Johnson

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So there!!!:D (Oh Gawd how I wanted to double-post just in hopes of seeing the tiniest bead of consternation...but you're too cool for that I know!)



Dearest Mary peg o' my heart (can someone tell me what that is exactly?):



Your Muse? Perchance do you confuse

Me with Calliope.

Erato's touch? No - not sose much.

And *NOT* Terpsichore!

Not Urania; Polyhymnia; Euterpe; Melpomene.

Clio? I deny! That's not me. (...not I?)

Thalia!!!

(It's all Greek to me.)



And right off the bat you get me chuckling out loud. I'm not sure being late for one's period constitutes a tendency toward the lackadaisical. The last time I was synchronized I was living with 14 other women...and I don't recall really having much say in the matter. (Alpha female I was not!;) )



Oh Anya! I actually waited with bated breath (I took a one-calorie Tic-Tac.) Thank you for allowing her to pull it off with what passes for aplomb for Anya.:eyebrow



I've really enjoyed reading everybody's thoughts regarding the Key and how it was handled on the old wallpaper-box. You/Willow handled all this with a deep concern for how it might affect Dawn...nice.:kiss



I think I've finally figured out why I'm so thoroughly enamoured with this story. I always knew it was in large measure because you send me some place really special with just about every written line. And then I was so taken with the mystery of Tara's family (the box; the red stone-hah!; the demon and other ancestry questions). But now I've come to realize something else altogether: that Glory was my favorite Big Bad ever. Her dialogue and attitude...she's what Anya might have become if she was equipped with a God-complex and a better stylist. And I've always been fond of Anya (esp. since "The Body"). Even if we see nothing of Glory (?) in this story you took me back to that time...and I'm grateful.:cry I hope I'm not too unpopular for this opinion...but I gotsta stand fer somethin'!



New VH-1 Special (airdate TBD): Where's Waldo Now? LaToya Jackson knows - but is she talking?:D



I don't remember ever receiving good news from the hospital. Ever.



Hope your work went well and you got everything done to your liking before attending to us. That said: Thanks for attending to us.:love



~Suse P.S. You said: "I can't even tell you how much I love reading your thoughts!":blush Right back at you kid.



"Now I have seen that sad surrender in my lover's eyes

But I can only stand apart and sympathize.

For we are always what are situations hand us-

It's either sadness or euphoria."
~Summer Highland Falls (Billy Joel)

Cindy Lou Who
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby Grimlock72 » Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:01 am

How neat, Willow asked my questions for me. In-store even :D . Too bad that at this moment in time I'll have to agree with Giles and accept the current situation. I still say the monks where stupid though, destroying the key would have been much easier for them to do in a hurry so I doubt that was the problem.



I actually felt sorry for Buffy having so many tasks. That was rather confusing I must admit, feeling sorry for Buffy that is, maybe that was the reason Dawn was brought in season 5 ? : -->>: . As Buffy pointed out her being not overly nice to Dawn has little to do with knowing that she's the key, it's standard sister behaviour :) . Not entirely sure why Willow would start crying if Dawn had mentioned the fact she's not Buffy's sister, maybe just tension-overload (or it's just to tire-ing to keep reminding herself of those facts which conflict with implanted memories all the time). Nice how she held on to Tara even more when seeing Giles care about Joyce.



I liked Willow's "when she came out" comment and the highly predictable response from Giles to it, heh. So Tara thrives on caffiene as well as Willow ? I figured Tara more for a quiet tea-drinking type, shows what I know :) .



Grimmy

--

She(Tara) knew that she was Willow too. If she knew that then why hadn't Willow herself? That wasn't fair. She was Willow. she should have known that first. -- Willow in _Sidestep Chronicle_ (part 80)

Grimlock72
 


Pts 23 & 24

Postby stereo33 » Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:50 am

Hi Mary

Thanks for the updates, I've really enjoyed reading them. I think it would be very interesting if Tara did contact her Aunt, I would definitely like to see how that goes, although I can understand Tara wanting to take her time over this (even if Willow got a bit carried away). I enjoyed the scene when Dawn confronts Willow & Tara, (I think they would definitely be the first people she would go to). I thought it was very well written and I could imagine Tara's total surprise at finding out Dawn's in love with her!

Pt 24 was very touching too when all the S Gang saw Dawn for the first time since she found out she was the key, even Anya who desperately wanted to say the right thing succeeded. I feel like I'm on a bit of a rollercoaster with this story, just as things had settled down a tad between Buffy and Dawn, you crank up the angst factor again with the phone call from the hospital. Although having said that - I'm totally loving it!

Hope to read more soon.

Thanks Karen

stereo33
 


Re: Reply to Feedback

Postby reyjawk » Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:19 pm

It is 1:15am. I have just spent the past 3hrs reading this story and I spent a couple hours earlier this evening reading this story. I wish I had the elequence of some of the other writers who have replied but it is late and my eyes are tired and seeing blurry. I just want to say that I think this story is awesome. I love the way you have written the characters.



It is like going back and meeting some old friends. This is the way they should have/deserved to be written on the show!!!



Please keep this story going.



This is wonderful!

Toni

"We live as we dream, alone." - The Heart of Darkness

reyjawk
 


Re: Pts 23 & 24

Postby Penrose Orleans » Sun Apr 20, 2003 10:57 am

Mary--

You can start castigating me now *bows head, ready for punishment*-- I admit that I read the parts and am only giving feedback now, and that it won't be very good feedback at that! Blame the spring and the work!



Anyway, parts-- well, I can say for darn sure that I still swoon at the sight of an update by you, and that your characterizations (if it's possible) have been getting more real for me as the story progresses (maybe I'm getting to know your characters! That would explain my love-children!)



I loved the scene where Dawn laskes out at Willow and Tara for having known about the Key business and not having told her. It shows a real understanding of the irrational, youthful respense to awful news. That being said, though, I also loved the opposing scene, where the Scooby Gang intervenes to show Dawn that they love her for whatever she may be-- I can't imagine some certain writers for a certain television show coming up with such a sensitive way of handling the situation!



It's interesting-- this interal in the lives of the Scoobies was, even in canon, one of the most trying they had (so many things happening at once-- Joyce's illnes/Dawn's not her real sister/Glory's a god, etc. I can't see them taking this situation as lightly as it was portrayed, and certainly not if you add in this highly traumatic drama that Tara has with her family! In conclusion, a full plate (so to speak) for the Scoobies = hard to write, you = able to write it, I = admiring. Y punto. --Nora

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The real hero is always a hero by mistake; he dreams of being an honest coward like everybody else." --Umberto Eco

Penrose Orleans
 


Re: Part 24

Postby VampNo12 » Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:02 pm

Mary, wonderful updates! Please know that my tardiness in feedback has nothing to do with how much I continue to enjoy this story, but a direct result of finals coming up soon (ie I don't get to spend as much time as I would like on the board reading fics). That being said I can't resist this story (it just pulls me in)... so regardless of time constraints I will make time for this "gem" :) . I was quite riveted to the in-depth feedback to part 23 (in regards to Dawn/key) so let me simply say I concur with all the great thoughts.



As for part 24... I so love your scoobie interactions. Really your writing is so layered (bringing such depth) making these characters truly come to life with your fully fleshed out characterization... a true joy to behold. Enjoyed the various insights (through Willow's perspective) such as the realization of the depth of feeling Giles holds for Joyce (ie Willow thinking, "He worships her. He totally adores her, and he doesn't even know it."), Anya's uncertainty... not in wanting to be there for Dawn (being understanding), but rather how Anya expresses said help (ie Willow thinking, "She's so glad she didn't mess up. Stuff like this, she does worry about saying the wrong thing), Dawn's resentment in feeling like a "burden"... her saying, "Just once, I wish I'd walk into a room and know everyone there was glad to see me", with Willow knowing this feeling isn't something that she alone has endured... Willow/gang have too had such thoughts/feelings of being an "outsider", and etc.



One of things that resonated with me was Willow simply questioning why the monks sent the Key in the form of Dawn (ie their logic), and not in some other form... "But she needed to know, she needed to understand. She had never been comfortable with the 'Hell if I know, let's just fight it' approach....". Add to that Willow making a point that she knows what she is saying is "painful" for Dawn to hear, but at the same time underlying the fact of what Dawn means to them... she's "family" (ie Willow saying, "Dawn, you know that I wouldn't trade you for anything, don't you?"), and you capture perfectly essentially who Willow truly is. Here you convey the person whose inner-mind is always working over-time to make sense of what is happening in a given situation, but not at the "cost" of compassion... feeling (ie the "cold" facts don't change how she feels about Dawn).



Lastly, I loved how Tara and Buffy try to get through to Dawn... that she's indeed wanted. In regards to Buffy, what resonated with me was her trying to get Dawn to understand her behavior (even going so far to share she doesn't have all the answers... "I'm supposed to have everything figured out when it comes to scary stuff."). In a sense I found Buffy conveying that they can't deny they're lives are extraordinary in one way (her being a slayer, Dawn origins as the Key), but that only defines one portion of who they are (they're "greater than the sum of their parts"). By the same token what is felt... the love (joy) and fear (not to mention the anger directed at Dawn for ruining her "favorite pants") isn't for a Key, but rather the bond that ties them together is one of being family... sisters. Thus, regardless of Dawn's origins their bond can't/won't be broken. As for Tara I sense she's coming from the "actions will speak louder than words" approach. Or in other words, she understands that at this moment what they're saying may seem like "empty words" to Dawn. However, Tara is also showing she trusts Dawn enough to believe in time she will accept the truth not because she's told she's loved, but rather she can innately "feel it inside". And my that cliffhanger with the telephone call... just "evil" ;) . Can't wait to see what happens next!



By the way I so got a kick out of Willow's "neurotic (though "endearing" as Tara points out) idiosyncrasies" with their discussion about being "late" (and hey I admit Martha Stewart and her ideas of "perfection" such as "let's make curtains out of the table cloth/etc" makes me want to "push her in front of a snow blower" too ;) ) "Tara-tots", and so much more. Also I hope work has gotten less "crazy" for you :) !



Vicki



Edited by: VampNo12  at: 4/21/03 2:28:06 am
VampNo12
 


Response to Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Mon Apr 21, 2003 9:10 pm

I’m just smitten with da Kittens…



Justin: Thanks for the good thoughts about the characters. I really fell in love with the entire lot of them during S-5, more than during any other season. Glad you’re enjoying this.



Grimaldi: Yeah, who of us wouldn’t get hungry for Tara-Tots on a pretty regular basis? Thanks for reading!



Puff: Thank you to the fourth power for relieving my gnawing curiosity. (Now if I could just get rid of that rash…) I had wondered if they might be wimpular in nature, and I know that’s not a word, but I like the sound of it so I’m keeping it! When I read your post, all I could think of was, "And underneath her wimple, she has curlers in her hair!" It’s a great pic!



Molsongrrrl: I don’t know if you’ve had a chance to read some of the exchanges that flew back and forth before this last update, but suffice it to say that you’re not the only one w/ some very pointed questions about that whole Key thing! Glad you’re enjoying the story, and thanks for the encouragement.



Jixer: I was struck by how pleased I was to read your combination of adverbs: logically and beautifully. I’ve been quite worried about the former and not exactly nonchalant with certainty about the latter. I’m glad there’s some complexity, or multi—faceted aspects to the story for you. Thanks for your kind and perceptive words and for following this story so faithfully.



Suse! I did peruse your words

        (Those accursed initial ones, the infernal artificial ones)

                And my heart did still within my breast.



But reading on made the bleeding begone

        And as ever, they made me blush in the hush of this office,

                Surely ’tis self-evident: You are quite the best.




(Forgive me—I know thou art not named "Shirley.")



Yep—you actually had me going for a minute, and I was so very sad!



You know, I threw a dinner party last summer (I threw it underhand, of course, because it was so heavy) and 9 women were in attendance, myself included. So I thought, "Let’s make a Muse theme out of it!" because, you know, I’m pretty much a freak. People had to argue for the Muse of their choice. And why does it not surprise me that you might lean toward Thalia? Not the alpha female? Good for you. All the alpha females I know make me a little nervous, to be honest…not much for being bossed around, I guess.



You know, I think a lot of us end up pulling for Anya, b/c her frankness isn’t to be confused w/ cruelty. God, when I watched "The Body," her scene in Willow's room was the one that made me tear up. We do have such inexplicable rituals re: death, and her desire to help, to do the right thing, just really rang true to me.



I’m with you about S-5 and its special place. In that season we saw Tara start to come into her own; the gang was more or less unified; people weren’t reeling from one ill-advised decision (and subsequent self-absorbed funk) to another…I know that S-6 has been analyzed to death, and I recognize that a certain amount of distress is necessary for a believable and interesting plot, but I can also be moved by genuine compassion and gentleness, and I feel like we got to see some of that in S-5. And Glory? Oh, yeah—I think I have her tied with Mayor Wilkins for my favorite Big Bad. They both had a sense of humor (sometimes more intentional than others, e.g. Glory’s question in "Tough Love," when Willow shows up for revenge: "Did somebody order an apocalypse?"). There was something in them that I almost couldn’t help liking.



"New VH-1 Special (airdate TBD): Where’s Waldo Now? LaToya Jackson knows—but is she talking?" See, Suse, now this is the kind of thing that just makes me know with a certainty that borders on the fanatical that you’re one of the funnier homo sapiens strolling the planet…



Yeah, I think the only good news I ever got from a hospital had to do w/ the births of nieces and nephews, and so far as we know, nobody’s preggers in Sunny D. Hey, thanks for the good thoughts re: work. It did get settled down (at least for now). That’s one thing about being a therapist—you’re never far from a gut-deep awareness of how much bad shit people have to go through.



Oh—"peg o’ my heart" refers to a certain Irish "Peggy," who was initially an almost incomprehensibly sweet, virginal lass w/ whom everyone became instantly enamored. Alas (that’s right—a lass), she eventually chose a life of dereliction and addiction, becoming Dublin’s most infamous crack whore. She eventually died of cardiac arrest after ingesting a particularly ill-cut dose of her chosen poison. And yes, all of this is utter rot.





And so I close here,

Such wondrous things arose here that I can scarce bear to leave;

Yet though I must go I smile, for I know that more words await~

So I need not grieve.



Rock on, Oh Lady of the Incomparable bon mot!



Grimmy: Seems like a lot of people were at least mildly perplexed by the reasoning (or lack thereof) of the monks’ decision to send the Key to Buffy in the form of a sister. You’re right—much of Buffy’s demeanor toward Dawn is "standard sister behavior"; and it’s true that Buffy was just handed more and more to deal w/ as S-5 progressed. I think that’s why Willow got so agitated at the idea of Dawn saying Buffy wasn’t her sister. Willow’s watched Buffy go through so much, and she has a better idea of what her burden is like than perhaps anyone else but Giles. You know, I’d say a lot of people see Tara as more of a tea-drinker. I was probably projecting my own insatiable caffeine addiction (preferably in the form of coffee) onto our beloved. After all, if Tara does it, how bad can it be? Thanks for reading, Grimmy. I always like seeing your thoughts and observations.



Karen: I’m tossing around the idea of Tara contacting her aunt, b/c I think it would open up considerable possibilities and give her some much-needed (and much-deserved) resolution and information. Thanks for the encouragement in that direction. Yeah, Tara can envision just about anything besides somebody being absolutely delirious about her. Glad the angst factor isn’t off-putting. Thanks for the good thoughts, Karen.



Toni: Wow—I hope you didn’t have to work the next morning! Thanks so much for the very kind words. I’m glad you find the characters so appealing. It’s pretty much a sin what ME has done w/ them, isn’t it? I hope you like where the story goes from her. Thanks for writing.



Nora: What—you think I’d boot my favorite bitch just for a little tardiness? I’d have to be pretty narcissistic to imagine that nothing would interrupt your utter involvement in this-here tale o’ family intrigue. (Have to say, though, that you were pretty descriptive w/ the bowed-head thing—lemme know if you want me to castigate you, and I’ll adapt my language accordingly.) Yeah, if you’re having love-children with Nathan and Beth, you must be getting to know these characters in the Biblical sense…



I know you appreciate a morally complex person, and thus there was no way I could have Dawn learn of her identity w/o having some major reaction to it. I think she would be most likely to lash out at Buffy, Tara, and Willow, all of whom she actually has great trust in. She knows that they’ll love her no matter what, so she feels like she has the lee-way to devolve into full-petulance mode. You know, somebody else mentioned her/his frustration with the lack of depth given to the numerous "little" episodes/experiences that the writers ask us to care about but then don’t have the time to flesh out fully. I think that may be one of the best parts of fan fiction—we get to supply that depth.



I hope the work is coming to some fruition, b/c a fruit like you deserves only the best!



Your eternal Ho’~~Mary



Vicki: Hey Lady (you, Lady!)—good to see you again! I figured work had reared its ugly, pock-marked head. Law school must be a particularly implacable god to serve, yes? Hope you’re hanging in there and feasing all possible torts. (Does that even make any sense?)



You know, I always saw Giles as having pretty complicated feelings for Joyce, even aside from the whole "Band Candy" debacle. They really did serve as Buffy’s parents, for all intents and purposes, and each had a unique appreciation of the other’s more subtle (and mature) qualities that the Scoobies, by virtue of their age, didn’t have. When I wrote Dawn wishing that she could walk into a room and know people were glad to see her, I just sort of envisioned every younger sibling I’ve ever known, including myself, during those years when all they/we wanted was to get have positive, non-mandatory time w/ the older siblings.



I really like your appreciation for this particular Willow: no matter how much she loves Dawn, no matter how much compassion she has, she really does need to know and understand. She doesn’t sacrifice her heart to her mind, but neither does she do the converse.



Yes, Buffy’s trying to show Dawn that first and foremost, this is about family. They’re sisters, and even though Buffy is destined to fight this Glory wench, she’s also apt to be ticked off about the ruined leather pants. And Tara, who I think is the most emotionally mature of all the Scoobies, knows that words may well just slide off of Dawn like Teflon right now, but she also says them b/c she knows that at least some of those words might get in a little deeper and take on some meaning w/ the passage of time.



Thanks for writing, Vicki! Try not to lose yourself in your briefs. (Far better to lose yourself in someone else’s briefs.)



More later, mes amis.



AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Part 24

Postby angelofinsanity » Thu Apr 24, 2003 8:32 am

hi there! :bigwave

wow! firstly i'd like to grovel at your feet and kiss the ground you walk on 'cuz you are just too talented!! This fic is amazing! (can i say amazing? has that been overused to describe this fic, that it has lost all meaning?--hrm i wonder what other large and sophisticated word i can use....that could make me sound like a mini-female-version-of-Giles.)



I really love how you portrayed Tara, Willow and the rest of the gang! You even made Dawn loveable for me (which i must comment, would be a very hard task to do. I always found Buffy's little sis a tad annoying --being a big sis myself, I understand Buffy's pain of Dawn stealing and ruining her fav. attire)



Ah poor Tara, she's been through so much at such a young age :sob , not only have she been so unfairly bullied since young, but she's found out that her mom isn't the MOM she believed she was (i think that hurt me more than anything- even when Donnie punched and treatened her in the barn). hrm....I wonder if such traumatic experience would bring her nightmares......

ah well, at least Donnie's not gonna give her any more problems....right?.....right? :D

well anyways, i find her really really brave and strong to have been able to live through her teen days with all that loneliness and taunts, I think i would have went to my nearest cliff and yell "good bye cruel world- i won't miss you!" as i plummet to the rocky bottom.. But i guess all that hardship paid off for Tara eh- I mean, look what she's got now- a wonderful little 'family'.



I found it really sweet of how Willow can be so protective of Tara and getting jealous over Tara's first kiss-date ~ just being the perfect girlfriend. And isn't Dawn's crush the cutest thing- where did you think of that little idea?



Sorry, but one thing i didn't like (ah! can i do that? can i say the stuff i didn't like about a fic to the author? {panics} don't hate me- i still think you rock!!:paranoid ) is the fact that Donnie, Nathan and Beth are so.....human. They are the products of their pasts. It's not Beth's 'fault' she was a bitch to Tara, it's not Nathan's 'fault' he didn't care about his...'daughter' - he's just a dis-illusioned hopeless fool believing he's doing the right thing. It's

(oh my god i can't believe i'm saying this) Not Donnie's fault he's the angry asshole that he is- he's just been trashed to near death by his ever-'loving' dad when he's a kid. I can't hate them the way I hated them before anymore.....They're not evil Monsters (damn) they're people (damn damn) who deserves another chance (damn damn damn) at life. I could so easily detest the Maclay family before, but now i see them in new light, and i pity them. hell yeah i still don't like them for treating our loveable Tara so badly, but goshdarnit they had a little good in them after all. I guess it's not always black and white eh...



well, i raved on for a bit there eh. i won't waste anymore of your time ^^. please continue to bring us that lushious updates. i'm going to go find more fics from you now. have a nice day :)



Stacy







angelofinsanity
 


Final reply, and then feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:14 pm

Stacy: Hi there! Thanks for checking this out! And hey--no grovelling, girl~~we Kittens are too fierce and proud to grovel to anyone! Thank you so much for the incredibly kind words. There are some great writers on this board, aren't there?



Hey, sorry about making the Maclays human (Mary said, clearly not apologetic at all). I think that as enjoyable as it is to just loathe the clear-cut villain, life is usually a lot more complicated than that. I guess I think that under the best of circumstances, we figure out what our glitches are (that's a technical term, of course) and we try to act responsibly about them. The Maclay men, though, weren't much for the emotional discussions, so they end up (at least as of now) slaves to their own fears.



Oh God, yes--Tara brings out the fierce protector in all of us, doesn't she? And you're right--learning about her mom's mistakes hurts her far more than Donnie's abuse, because Donnie was a bastard from the moment she entered the family.



I'm so glad you're enjoying this, Stacy. I hope you like where it goes from here. Thanks again for the kind words!



OK--Update to follow.

Mary


AntigoneUnbound
 


Part 25

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:46 pm

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers:
I own everything both tangible and abstract that the universe could ever hope to contain. I’m also delusional a fair amount of the time, so that last part should probably be taken w/ a sizable grain o’ salt.

Spoilers:
Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain Big Bad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.

Rating:
R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.

Distribution:
Sure, with acknowledgement.

Feedback:
Yes;
yes;
YES!!!

Wow…that was incredible…


This scene is fairly intense. I hope that I do it justice.



*****
Part 25
*****


Not again. I can’t do this again.

The smells were unmistakable, inexorable. When you left, they clung to you, reminders of your own vulnerability. How many hours had she spent in a place like this? How many hours had she lost track of, one following the other with growing sameness until 3pm was indistinguishable from 8am? She could have easily told them where the vending machines were; where the bathrooms were; where to find the shaded little area outside where people went to pretend that they were just enjoying a breath of fresh air, like all the anonymous other people that they now envied.

She didn’t say all of this, though. Instead, she sat quietly across from Joyce’s daughters, holding Willow’s hand. She could feel her girlfriend’s agitation and fear; it radiated from her in periodic bursts of helpless energy.

When they had first left for the hospital, tumbling into two cars, they knew only that Joyce had collapsed and been taken to the hospital. She carried several different contact numbers for Buffy, Giles included. That was all they knew.

But now, watching the physician walking toward them, her white jacket almost glaring under the fluorescent lights, Tara knew more than the others. She knew more than she wanted to. She had seen that face before, on a different doctor, and though she didn’t know the details, she did know that in a matter of seconds Buffy and Dawn would be thrust into a new reality.

"You’re Mrs. Summers’ daughters?" the doctor asked, her tone suggesting that she already knew the answer based on the two young women who had disentangled themselves from the others and now stood before her.

"Yeah—yes. I’m Buffy, and this is my sister Dawn."

She lives by protecting others, killing the things that go bump in the night. How will she endure this?

"I’m Dr. Santiago. I’m a neurosurgeon here. A neighbor who was supposed to have coffee with your mother got worried when she didn’t answer the door. She looked in through the window and saw your mother laying on the floor. She called the ambulance."

Don’t draw this out. Please. Let them know.

"It appears that your mother suffered a massive stroke. I suspect she had no warning, because there’s no evidence that she was trying to reach the phone."

She could see from their expressions that they were still untold leagues away from grasping what they were being told. "Stroke" was bad, it was scary, but people survived. They hadn’t let the "massive" make it through their filters, though. More than anything, this was their mother, which meant that she would be with them for many, many years. This was their reality, and she knew that children don’t easily accept new truths about their parents.

"But she’s going to be OK, right?" Dawn had crossed her arms, her tone practically daring the woman in front of her to contradict her.

"I’m so sorry, but your mother experienced extensive damage to her brain and her heart. She must have gone several minutes without breathing. We worked on her for a long time, trying to save her."

She saw that Buffy had gone stark white; even her lips looked pale. "What—what are you saying?"

The doctor’s eyes, she could see now, were kind, and exhausted. She’s had to do this so many times before, and she keeps thinking she should find a better way to do it.

"We did manage to establish a pulse, and we now have her on total life support, but I’m afraid that there’s no way she could breathe on her own. Your mother is clinically brain dead."

And there was the D word; only this time it hid behind a qualifier, unwilling to collect its ransom openly. It lurked behind another word, and that partial obscuring would let hope linger for at least a few minutes more.

Giles, she noticed, had reached out to brace himself against a wall. He never told her. Did he know himself? Before this moment?

Tears were streaming down Willow’s face, and she didn’t bother to wipe them. She reached out one hand as if to touch Buffy’s back, but then paused, hovering indecisively. Turning, she burrowed into Tara’s arms and wept soundlessly.

Xander just stood mutely, shaking his head. Anya stared first at him, and then at the doctor, her gaze becoming sad and frightened.

And Buffy and Dawn just gripped each other’s hands as if they could fuse their pulses into one and give it to their mother.

"But she is breathing?" Dawn asked, her voice almost insistent. "She’s still alive?"

"Only in the most minimal, technical sense. Machines are breathing for her. They’re pumping her blood. She has no brain activity of any kind."

"Are you—are you saying that our mother has no chance at recovery?" Buffy’s voice, though it seemed to come from far away, was remarkably steady.

"I’m taught never to make absolute predictions about life and death," Dr. Santiago replied slowly, "but the chances of your mother awakening are virtually negligible. It would constitute a miracle, in my opinion."

"Then let’s get another opinion," Dawn blurted desperately.

"You can certainly do that. I encourage it, in fact. Believe me, if another physician says that there’s a better outlook for your mother, I would be so happy to be wrong."

But you’re not wrong. You know you’re not wrong.

"Doctor, if you’re right…if our mother has no realistic chance of recovery, what—" Buffy stopped, closing her eyes. "What should we do?"

Dr. Santiago replied evenly, "The machines are keeping her alive at this point. It will be your decision whether to maintain that or to have us take her off of those machines."

"And if we do? Take her off the machines?" The words were practically a whisper.

"The overwhelming likelihood is that she would die within a short time; probably a matter of hours."

"No!" Dawn shouted. Several people turned to stare at her in voyeuristic curiosity. "No, we won’t do it! We can’t!" She grabbed her sister by the wrists. "We can’t do that, Buffy!"

"Dawn, we’ll get a second opinion. We’ll—we’ll talk about it and figure out what to do." She looked back at the doctor. "We…we have time, right?" Tara saw the compassion behind the doctor’s quick nod; she suspected Buffy did as well. Time, they most certainly did have.

"Would you like me to suggest another physician you could talk to about this? I really do encourage you to seek another opinion."

"Yes…thank you," Buffy replied. The doctor quickly scribbled the information on a notepad that she produced from her jacket.

"Dr. Brunard has been in practice for over twenty years. He works at St. John’s. He’s a highly respected neurosurgeon, and he’ll be honest and direct with you."

"Thank you," Buffy repeated automatically.

"And this is how you can reach me," Dr. Santiago continued, adding her own name and pager number to the sheet.

Thank you for not saying "Here’s my card." Mom’s oncologist did that and I wanted to choke the breath right out of him.

Buffy looked up suddenly. "Where is she? Can we see her?"

"Of course. I’ll show you the way." She nodded toward the hallway from which she had first emerged.

Buffy turned to face them. "Dawn and I are going to see Mom," she said simply, and then turned back to follow the doctor.

*****

The rest of the day was a hazy, surreal combination of frenetic activity and waiting. The group left the hospital, minus Buffy and Dawn, a little over an hour after the doctor had delivered the news. Tara and Willow went to the store and bought lunch-meats and other sources of quick meals, using the key that Willow had been given years ago to enter the house and put the perishables in the refrigerator. They also made a lasagna that Buffy and Dawn could heat up for that evening. And they tried to call Hank Summers. After two failed attempts from the hospital pay phone, Buffy had asked them to continue trying to contact her father.

"What do you want us to tell him, exactly?" Willow asked anxiously.

"Tell him he’s exactly the prick I’ve been thinking he is," Buffy muttered, looking over her shoulder to ensure that Dawn hadn’t overheard them. But her sister was still gazing at their mother, silent and unmoving among the artificial creatures that did the work of living for her.

Then she shook her head. "Just tell him what happened. If he asks what he should do—and that would be a first—tell him to let me know when I can reach him and I’ll go over everything with him." She looked back toward their mother’s room. "I—I wanna get back in there with Mom and Dawn."

"Of course," they’d answered in unison. "Do you think you’ll be home later?" Willow added.

"What? Oh, yeah. Hospital visiting hours are over at 8. We should be home a little after that." And then she had left to sit with her mother.

At a little past 8:30, Tara heard them come through the door. If they were talking to each other, it was inaudible to her. She listened to the staccato-burst of Dawn’s footsteps as she pounded up the stairs to her room.

"Buffy? Dawn?" Willow called out, looking up from the homework that Tara knew she really wasn’t seeing.

Buffy walked slowly into the kitchen, dropping her bag onto the floor as if it had become the final piece of a burden she could no longer carry. She sank onto a stool near the counter. Her eyes weren’t red; they were vacant, and exhausted.

"How are you? How’s your mom?" Willow’s anxiety tumbled out of her in the form of her questions. Tara said nothing.

"Mom is…Mom is in a coma and I don’t think she’s going to wake up." And in saying the words, Tara saw, Buffy came to believe them and she watched the proud Slayer crumple before her, wrapping her arms around herself as if afraid to trust anyone else’s grasp and weeping noiselessly into the abyss of her self-embrace.

Willow started forward as if to take Buffy into her arms, but then she hesitated, perhaps sensing, as Tara did, that Buffy needed them near her, but not touching her.

Some part of her is always alone. Is it right to try to break through that? Does it help her do what she has to do?

So they watched, pain etched across their own faces, as Buffy convulsed with sobs; throughout, she made no sound. When she stopped, she did so abruptly, as if deciding that it served no purpose to continue. She stood and walked mutely to the sink, lowering her face to splash cold water over it with methodical sweeps.

"What—what about the second opinion?" Willow asked hesitantly.

She wants to make it better. With everything she’s seen, she doesn’t really understand that people can die of ordinary things like strokes and cancer. She hasn’t seen that kind of death yet.

Buffy just shook her head. "I reached Dr. Brunard. He’s going to come by in the morning and check on her, and talk to Dr. Santiago. But when I explained what she’d said, he pretty much confirmed the outlook. He said that when the brain is deprived of oxygen for the amount of time that Mom probably was, there’s rarely anything to be done. The body can be kept alive, but the person’s mind is just…gone." The last word was uttered as if a pronouncement.

"Buffy, I’m so sorry," Willow whispered. "I wish…Oh God, I wish I could do something."

"You’re a witch," Buffy replied, her voice expressionless. "Can you undo this?"

Oh sweet goddess, no…Don’t—please don’t ask those things of us. Don’t ask them of anyone.

But then the Slayer gave a mirthless smile. "Aside from that, you’re doing everything you can."

Thank you. Because if I wouldn’t do it for my own mother, I wouldn’t do it for yours.

"And Dawn?" Tara managed to say. "She must be a wreck."

"Right now she’s angry. I think that’s probably easier for her to handle than being sad."

"Angry?" Willow echoed, mystified. "About this happening?"

"Oh, I’m sure that’s in there somewhere," Buffy replied, shaking her head. "Dawn’s never too far from being pissed about something. Mostly, though, she’s angry with me."

"For what?" From the tone in Willow’s voice, Tara knew that her beloved was feeling protective of her best friend.

Buffy was silent for several moments. "She’s angry because she knows that if there really isn’t any chance for Mom to recover, I’ll want to take her off the machines." She turned and looked at them evenly. "Does that make me a heartless, ungrateful daughter?"

"Oh God, no, Buffy!" Willow’s reply was immediate, and forceful. "You’re an incredible person; an incredible daughter. How can you think such a thing?"

Buffy didn’t answer; instead, she gazed at Tara, her expression unreadable. "Tara, I notice you haven’t voted on the subject."

Tara held her gaze. "Did your mother ever say what she wanted? Did she ever talk about something like this?"

Buffy nodded. "As a matter of fact, she did. Her cousin was in a car accident, about three years ago. I only met him twice, but they were pretty close growing up. He was on life-support for over a year. Mom visited him three or four times—if you can call them visits," she added bitterly. "She said he just wasted away. He had to be turned in bed to keep from getting bedsores...He just lay there, hour after hour. She said—she said that if anything like that ever happened to her, she didn’t want to be kept alive like that. She said she didn’t want to run up a gigantic hospital bill if she couldn’t enjoy the fine cuisine." Buffy smiled sadly, even as a shudder rippled through her.

"Then I think you’re being the daughter she needs you to be," Tara replied, feeling that she could now give an answer she believed in. "Does Dawn know about this?" she continued.

"I tried to explain on the way home, but she wouldn’t listen. She refuses to even think about Mom not waking up. When I tried to talk about it, she just said I was giving up on Mom." She swallowed heavily. "I think that if I hadn’t been driving, I would have slapped her. Which makes me glad I was driving," she added.

"Did your mom leave any kind of living will? Anything that would make her wishes clear?" Willow asked reluctantly.

"I don’t think so," Buffy replied heavily. "I know she made her will, but I’m pretty sure she didn’t include anything to cover something like this." She dropped her head again. "I can’t even believe I’m having this conversation," she whispered.

After a moment, Tara ventured quietly, "Buffy, do you mind if I go up and talk to Dawn? Or just see if she wants to talk?"

Buffy didn’t look up as she answered, "No, that’s good. You’re probably one of the few people she’d actually want to see at this moment. God knows I’m not."

Tara allowed her hand to slide quickly over Buffy’s shoulder as she walked past her. As she made her way up the stairs, she could hear her beloved and the Slayer talking in low, disjointed tones.

She paused briefly in front of Dawn’s door, considering the huge "Keep Out!" sign. It was just like Dawn, she realized—hoping to convey an air of guardedness even as its very presence practically begged you to take a closer look. She knocked lightly once, and then again.

"Go away," came the sullen reply.

"Dawn, it’s me—Tara." She heard Dawn blow her nose, and then the door swung open. Dawn’s face, she thought, was a whirling mosaic of anger, grief, shock, and fear.

"Can I come in?" she asked quietly, not wanting to take the door-opening as a tacit invitation.

"Yeah." Dawn stepped aside to let Tara in. Looking around quickly, Tara noticed a large Justin Timberlake poster tacked up inches away from an even larger "Xena" one.

"Dawnie, I’m so sorry about your mom; about her stroke," Tara began.

"She’s going to get better," Dawn cut in, her tone suggesting that anyone who disagreed was simply mistaken.

"I hope so," Tara replied carefully. "But what if she doesn’t?"

"She’s going to!" Anger washed over the teenager like handfuls of hot water. "That other doctor is coming tomorrow and he’ll be able to tell us stuff this one couldn’t. He’ll spot something she missed."

"I really hope so, Sweetie," Tara repeated. "That would be wonderful. But Dawn—what if he doesn’t?"

Dawn glared at her, tears forming at the perceived betrayal. "I thought that you of all people would be on my side, Tara. You know what Buffy wants to do? If this doctor says the same thing, Buffy wants to let Mom die!"

Tara struggled to keep her voice even. "Dawn, do you really think that’s what Buffy wants to do? Or is that what she knows she should do, based on what your mother told her?"

"I never heard that conversation," Dawn retorted.

Because you didn’t exist at the time. But she only replied, "Do you think she’s lying?"

Dawn just turned away, shrugging her shoulders.

"Do you think for one instant that Buffy wouldn’t move heaven and earth to make your mom better?" she continued. "Because if you don’t, you don’t know your sister very well. And I think you actually know her better than pretty much anybody."

After a long silence, Dawn muttered through clenched teeth, "Maybe she just doesn’t want the inconvenience of having to care for an invalid mother. It would get in the way of her slaying duties."

With that, patience give way to anger.

Enough, dammit! I’ve had enough!

She reached out and spun Dawn around to face her. "Listen, Dawn—you’re not the only one hurting in this household. Your older sister is downstairs trying to hold it together because something awful has happened to your mother and your father is AWOL and she’s terrified, Dawn—absolutely terrified. So if you’re so hell-bent on everyone giving you a little more credit for your maturity, this would be a damn fine time to show it."

Dawn looked at her, eyes wide and disbelieving. "Are you telling me you would’ve let your mom die? That you would have pulled the plugs and just let her die?"

Pain ripped through her. Ah, goddess—will it always hurt like this?

She gripped Dawn’s shoulders. "I did let my mother die! She went through so much chemotherapy, so much radiation that by the end there was practically nothing left of the woman I knew…nothing except her eyes and her smile and her mind, and she used that mind to decide she wanted to come home and die there. Do you think that’s what I wanted? You think I wouldn’t have walked to hell and back just to see her smile at me one more time? But she knew what she wanted, and she could decide for herself. Your mom doesn’t have her mind, Dawn. Her mind is already gone. Except she told Buffy what she wanted, and now you have to grow up even more and face that fact."

She could feel Dawn trembling under her hands. Or was it her hands that were shaking, rippling through to the slender frame before her? It was a moot point, though, because Dawn had thrown her arms around Tara’s back and buried her face in her shoulder. Sobs wracked her young frame; unlike her sister, though, Dawn’s cries were fierce and unmistakable.

"I can’t lose her," she finally managed. "I just can’t."

But you will, Tara thought sadly, even as she murmured, "I know, Sweetie…I know…"

*****


To Be Continued



Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 4/24/03 9:06:26 pm
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Re: Final reply, and then feedback

Postby Patches » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:00 pm

Jersy first - thoughful commentary second!



ETA: Next fucking time I'll read the update _before_ I come tearing in with idiotic comments like the one above.



Okay, I can say, unequivocally, Mary - ya you got it right. Have to do a few things for work, but I'll pop back in in a bit( sometime after I stop balling my friggin eyes out and can actually see to type).



Quote:
I own everything both tangible and abstract that the universe could ever hope to contain.




Mary, devotee of the Torturing Muse, (ohh, and lets not forget Queen of Scot(issues) – after that update, even if you don’t own all things tangible and abstract, well, you should.



Here you had me all stressed out, waiting pensively to learn what kind of Jello Joyce liked. Fear not gentle soul, you handled that scene with aplomb. The scene was truthful, sincere, and gripping. Hat’s off to you Mary, the intensity and honest emotion made me cry (again) – that’s twice, touché. There is a raw passion and an understanding of our complex emotions that shines through when you write. Your words are powerful. Telling this from Tara’s POV was, to me, what made this scene so intensely emotional. Art imitates life, and I can tell you there was a non-fiction version of these events, which were all too real. Your portrayal, starting with the phone call was, well, so accurate it made my skin crawl.



I’ve empathized a great deal in this story with your Tara, but never more so than here. As I was reading, it became increasing difficult to separate fiction from memory, and for a brief period, I’m not sure which it was that made me all misty-eyed. I just about lost it completely here, “Pain ripped through her. Ah, goddess—will it always hurt like this?” There was a strange meeting of reality and art; I could slide back and forth between the characters and understand what and how each felt. There aren’t many writers capable of portraying such depth and understanding that the reader is inexorably swept into the story with such force. First, seeing this through Tara’s eyes and with the RL memory, and then understanding the emotional turmoil made this a very dramatic and intense scene to read.



As I’ve said before, it’s the little things, the small details and emotions you let us see that makes what you write so compelling to read. I like how you dealt with the concept of touch here with Willow and Buffy. and she watched the proud Slayer crumple before her, wrapping her arms around herself as if afraid to trust anyone else’s grasp and weeping noiselessly into the abyss of her self-embrace. Willow started forward as if to take Buffy into her arms, but then she hesitated, perhaps sensing, as Tara did, that Buffy needed them near her, but not touching her. It worked, well.



I wasn’t sure on first reading that Tara’s response to Dawn’s outburst was justified. Given what Dawn has experienced in the past 48 or so hours her anger toward Buffy might not be justified, but it’s understandable. It’s easy to understand what Dawn is feeling, and her frustration that everyone seems to be jumping to the conclusion that it’s time to ‘pull the plug’ on Joyce, without giving some kind of effort, or exhausting every avenue before writing her off. We all want to hang onto hope for as long as possible. It’ll be interesting to see what others have to say about this. I hate it when people use guilt to try to assuage anger. That Dawn’s feeling sorry for herself is a given, but Key or not, she’s still a kid and Tara’s insistence that she “grow up” in such a hurry kind of bothered me a little. Perhaps I’m ascribing the reader’s perspective to the character, which might not be fair. Tara is acting in character here, and I can certainly understand where she’s coming from. It’s just that that particular tact really annoys the hell out of me; not a criticism, just MHO.



Thanks for the story, Mary. It is a real gem. Oh, and feel free to go into a writing frenzy, 'cause you know how much we like giving you feedback!. (-;



Cheers!!

Patches



You know I've heard about people like me. But I never made the connection. They walk one road to set them free, And find they've gone the wrong direction. But there's no need for turning back 'cause all roads lead to where I stand. And I believe I'll walk them all No matter what I may have planned

Edited by: Patches at: 4/24/03 9:53:12 pm
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Re: Part 25

Postby justin » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:21 pm

You were right about it being intense. :shock



Though you definitely did do the story justice. Again I'm awed by how well you write the characters, and bring them to life. :clap



I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am


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OMG!

Postby Washi » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:43 pm

Mary, you made me cry! This part is soo touching. I just wanted to slap Dawn. I know it isn't nice of me, but she needed it.

Anyways, this update is just wow.

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"See? I've mastered this tact crap." Anya in Tears Of The Goddess by Lisa

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Re: Part 25

Postby Modjadji » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:52 pm

Mary,



Quote:
I own everything both tangible and abstract that the universe could ever hope to contain.




and after that update I'm perfectly prepared to take your word for it.



That was just...stunning. The best delurking present I could have hoped for. You dealt with an immensely complex emotion, that of grief, so eloquently and respectfully, but without losing one ounce of characterization along the way. I've been quietly following this fic for some time and with every update my sense that this is the real story and ME's is the anomaly only seems to grow.



From Buffy's silent sobs, just so in keeping with her overpowering need to be "strong", or at least seen that way, to the perfectly worded exchange between Dawn and Tara, you cut through to the essence of every scene and bring it out almost effortlessly. It just seems so natural that Tara would be the one to appeal to Dawn's desire to be seen as an adult. Who else would be that insightful? It is only through Tara's caring perspective that we see both how much Dawn is hurting those she loves and how much she needs to be loved herself. We see the irritating, often selfish teenager we saw so much of on the show, but through Tara's loving gaze we also see the lost, terrified little girl who is dealing with more loss than anyone can be expected to handle. As an irritating, often selfish teenager/lost little girl myself, I salute you! :bow We all know the place those words come from, and we all know how hard it is to let them go.



Thank you for giving us back everything we love about these characters and excuse my inability to stop rambling about them :) ,



Best,

Mojo

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Re: Final reply, and then feedback

Postby Puff » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:01 pm

Wow justice was served on that update alright. That was so intense and heartbreaking at the same time. Just wow. I am sure I'll need to read it again and let it sink in. I loved how you had Tara's thoughts intermingled with the dialogue and action and how in the end she just turned on Dawn to make her see what was happening. Wonderful stuff. Thanks Mary.



Cheese. It's milk that you chew.

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Re: Part 25

Postby JustSkipIt » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:06 pm

Mary queen of everything,



Wow and also wow. I love the contrast between your very funny (as usual) disclaimers and then the entire piece. The decision to put the entire thing in Tara's voice was inspired and genius (gee, can something be inspired but not genius?). Her pain is so real and so present even though we know it was years ago.



And the pain of the scoobies is filtered through her. I can't decide if that makes the entire emotion of the part more or less intense. Does Tara act as a filter lessening the pain of Buffy and Dawn's emotion or does she intensify it with her additional knowledge? Hard to say. But it works perfectly. I think that if it was just told in third-person limited omnicient or some other voice we would be a little too barraged by the emotion. Like this, everything has time to come through Tara to us and we can feel what she feels which is everything that Buffy or Dawn or even Willow feels.



You did a magnificent job.



Debra's soapbox to the Kittens: You might want to get a living will, a will, and other documents drawn up. In America at least, you may have a partner but without those documents, that partner can't make decisions for you. Who do you want to inherit all your belongings? Who do you want to decide to pull the plug if (God forbid) it's necessary. The documents aren't that complicated or expensive but they can save you and your loved ones a lot of grief and heartache.



Ok end Debra's soapbox, thanks for listening.

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"Keep in mind always the present you are constructing. It should be the future you want." - Alice Walker, Temple of My Familiar

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Re: Final reply, and then feedback

Postby reyjawk » Thu Apr 24, 2003 7:01 pm

Mary,

That was awesome...It was really interesting how you changed Joyce's death. Having Buffy make that descision is just devasting. Buffy who determines life & death every night has to make that descision for her own mother.



Buffy will intellectually know it is the right thing but will emotionally feel guilty as hell. Buffy can save the world but not her mom...Ouch



Keep it coming...



Toni

"We live as we dream, alone." - The Heart of Darkness

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Re: Part 25

Postby jixer » Thu Apr 24, 2003 7:58 pm

Hello Kittens-



I'm finding it hard to make the words say how much I like this ficiton. Tara's perspective brings us close into the story. There's pain all around her, but she knows she'll make it through this, because she has survived it before. But Buffy's road will be harder than Tara's was. If she is the good daughter and does what her mother wants it will be better for her in the long run, but the decision means she is now fully adult and responsible for her sister, Key or not.



I think Tara knows how hard it will be for Buffy. She was the younger child tied to her mother so off all them she is best equipped to see where Dawn is coming from. Giles though is going to be beyond so much of her hard won knowledge. Tara has told Willow how much she loves her in ways beyond counting, will either of them be able to help Giles? And what about the strays Joyce took in, Xander first and then Anya?



I wonder because I know the girls will want to help, and yet this fic has never taken the easy path. Beautiful, poignant, and true to it's core but never easy.



Thank you,



Jixer



And now- SOAPBOX-Ditto to what Debra said. ESPECIALLY if you are a partner. I've seen families torn apart by one member not letting go even when the rest of the family agreed to end heroic measures when there was no advanced directive/living will. And I'd add-be a donor. I will now fall off my soapbox.



jixer
 


Re: Final reply, and then feedback

Postby The Rose24 » Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:12 pm

WOW. This has been a very angsty day on pens.



AU,



This update is very hard to read. Poor Joyce. It is still very hard to take even if you know what is coming.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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Feedback Replies

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:14 pm

Hey Kittens~~ First of all, thanks to everyone for their kind words. This was a tough scene to write, and I felt strongly that I wanted to show the intensity of it w/o lapsing into mawkishness or melodrama. I appreciate the votes of confidence.



Patches: One yellow jersey, coming up! Can’t wait to read what you think of it. Take your time, grab some Kleenex, and come on back. Thanks for the praise, Patches. Makes me blush.



Justin: I’m glad you like how the characters emerge. It definitely helps to adore the people you’re writing about. The primary danger is the risk of shielding them too completely from harm. Obviously, they need to emerge happy and together, but no one’s life is perfect, nor is any person. Thanks for reading!



Washi: What’s the verb for "to cry"? Pleurir? Pleurer? Or is that "to rain"? Anyway, I know how you love angst so I’m hoping you forgive me for the tear-induction. Yeah, Dawn ends up making a lot of people fight the urge to bitch-slap her just once, real quickly. Thanks for reading, Washi.



Mojo: Wow—that’s an eloquent keyboard you got there, Mojo…I hope I see your name on lots of other posts across this board, because you write w/ such clarity and style that it’s a pleasure to read. If I read correctly, and you’re currently "an irritating, often selfish teenager/lost little girl" yourself, you’re about the most self-possessed such teenager I’ve ever encountered. I hope that doesn’t sound patronizing; I’m just wishing that I had possessed one-eighth of that insight in my own teens.



I think that grief is one of the most powerful, primeval experiences and emotions we can face. So many cultures (the US most certainly included) do such an abysmal job of helping people express their grief and face their own mortality. It’s no accident that so many works of drama and literature involve a funeral.



You’re right—Tara is the one person who Dawn wants to talk to and the one person who can push Dawn a little bit. She’d simply lash out at Buffy, and she’d find a way to dismiss Willow as "just not getting it." Tara, though, she admires deeply and she knows that Tara has lost her own mother. So Tara could get a little impatient and Dawn would be less likely to shut her out.



Thanks for your incredibly kind words, Mojo. I hope to see your name again soon!



Puff: I’m glad that the interspersing of Tara’s thoughts worked to move the story forward for you. I’m a big one for verbatim internal perspectives, as you’ve probably noticed. As I mentioned to Mojo above, I think Tara can push Dawn where no one else can, because she has a particular leverage with her and, in this case, particular credibility in the realm of grief. Thanks for the good thoughts, Puff.



Debra: Wow…very kind words indeed! Thanks! You know, I wrestled a little bit w/ perspective in this section. I went w/ Tara for many of the reasons you mentioned; in addition, she has a very unique perspective on this situation and I wanted to bring her back into emotional focus—not just her presence, but her internal world. You’re right—Tara makes an excellent filter through which to perceive the others’ reactions.



Your soap-box is a well-advised one, Debra. Like you and Jixer, I’ve heard my share of horror stories, and each one is heart-breaking in its own right. Thanks for the words of wisdom—it’s a service.



Toni: Oh, yeah—you’re dead-on about Buffy now being in charge of her mother’s life or death. She can save the world but not her mom? How do you get over that? She knows what her mother would want, but can she bear to let her go, even if she’s already gone for all intents and purposes? As Jixer noted, Buffy’s now also solely responsible for Dawn, Key and all, since nobody’s making up a bed in anticipation of Hank’s prompt return. I’m glad you’re enjoying the story, Toni—thanks for reading!



Jixer: You’re a generous soul, Jixer; I appreciate the supportive words. You make a fantastic point about Buffy’s additional responsibility if she does what her mother would want her to do. She already felt responsible for Dawn as the Key; now she’d be responsible for her as a sister, and as we can see, Dawn the sister can be quite the handful.



Thanks for echoing Debra’s advice, Jixer. If the world were as it should be, people would conduct themselves w/ honor in dealing with a loved one’s death. Reality, however, paints a very different portrait. Thanks again for reading and taking the time to send in such eloquent thoughts.



Rose: Didn’t you hear? April is "National Kittens’ Angst Month." Yeah—we’re all observing it by creating as much emotional turmoil as possible. All joking aside, I hope the story is a worthwhile read for you. Thanks for following it so faithfully.



OK, folks—thanks again, and more later.

Mary




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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Sela » Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:44 am

There's something so quiet about this part. I think it's because it's told from Tara's perspective, from her worldview. She's already been through this before. She knows the procedure, she knows the reactions, and she knows the outcome. So as a seasoned pro, she knows how to respond. Showing Joyce's death through Tara's eyes was such a remarkable choice. Had it been through Willow, we would have been entering into a world of confusion, guilt, and fear. In short, it would've been a lot noisier and maybe a bit distracting. After all, she's never been through something like this before. She can't fully understand why and how, so she can't provide that particular insight to the readers. With Tara, we get to see what the grieving process is like and we also get to see how much her mother's death still affects her. But she handles it all with such grace. Especially Dawn. It would have been easy to coddle Dawn, to pacify her and to agree with her feelings, but Tara didn't. As the voice of reason, the wise elder, she had to show Dawn that while her feelings were understandable, they certainly weren't rational. I think Tara looks at the way Dawn is purposefully separating herself from the people that love and care about her and she feels frustration because she never had that kind of support growing up. When her mother died, there was no one there to console her, no one to wipe her tears away and tell her things would get better. She was alone. And here, Dawn is surrounded by a group of courageous people who offer her nothing but support and who are always looking out for her, and she can't get beyond her own selfish issues to appreciate that. So when Tara snapped at Dawn, it made perfect sense. It was Tara's way of telling her that it was time to grow up and take responsibility for herself, for Buffy, and for Joyce.



When I read this, I didn't feel angry with Dawn and I credit you, Mary, with making her so much more than a cry baby. What she's feeling is very natural. She doesn't want to lose her mother and she can't quite understand that Joyce is dead, despite the fact that she's being kept alive by machines. This is a girl who has seen things she can't begin to comprehend--demons, the undead--and who is something she still doesn't understand, so how can she reconcile all of the supernatural events with something as natural and common as a human death? She can't. It's a normal response for a 15 year old kid to have. But at the same time, that can only last for so long before she has to find a way to make sense of it. And with Tara there to help her through it, she will.



This part was emotionally satisfying. It was heartbreaking and gentle all at the same time. Gosh, I just keep going back to quiet. There was a hum in the air as I read this. It tore me apart inside, but it also just slowed the gears in my brain down to think. Thanks.

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Re: Feedback Replies

Postby angelofinsanity » Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:05 am

ah grief. The world would be so much happier without it. more reckless and dangerous, yes, but nevertheless happier.



again- great update, very well written Mary, you develop your characters very thoroughly, and twisting the original story line to pack on an even more emotional punch than simply letting Buffy find her mom lying there on the couch....dead....now she' and Dawn must decide on what to do......how realistically harsh.



ah well, life's like that. thanks for the update. hanging on for the next installment.

Stacy

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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Washi » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:06 pm

Quote:
Washi: What’s the verb for "to cry"? Pleurir? Pleurer? Or is that "to rain"?




To cry is "pleurer". "Pleuvoir" is to rain. ;)

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"See? I've mastered this tact crap." Anya in Tears Of The Goddess by Lisa

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!!

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:23 pm

Hey Kittens: Your feedback rocks, folks. I'm outta here for the weekend; expect an update on Tuesday. (And I'm telling work-related folks that they'll just have to hold off on any crises until then!)



Sela: As ever, your perceptivity is remarkable. As I mentioned to Debra, I struggled w/ the POV in this installment. Throughout this story, I've opted to look through one person's eyes for any given section. I'm glad I went w/ that option (though it does mean I have to make sure that when commenting on another character's reaction, I have to anchor it to my narrator's perception of that reaction).



Tara seemed the perfect choice for this scene, because of her experience. I find myself drawn to Willow's POV when a scene has a lot of hoo-ha (that's a technical term, of course, for "lots of stuff and commotion") going on, while I prefer Tara for the quieter moments, as well as for those moments most singularly related to her family.



Dawn was interesting to write b/c I didn't want to render her as a brat yet I also didn't want her immersing herself totally into her own experience and sliding into her prototypic "Nobody really cares about me" routine. I'm glad she didn't emerge as relentlessly annoying. As I mentioned to a couple of other people, Tara has leverage and credibility w/ Dawn that no one else has, by virtue of Dawn's crush and Tara's experience w/ losing her mother.



I'm glad this scene worked for you. Thanks, as always, for your astute observations and words of support, Sela. Have a great weekend.



Stacy: A rollercoaster indeed...There's nothing quite like grief to drag one's heart over every rock in the emotional landscape. Thanks for the kind words about the characterizations. Most of my stuff is very character-based, so it's always good to hear that I'm leaving folks shaking their heads and muttering in skepticism. Thanks again, Stacy, and have a nice weekend.



Washi: Ah, merci. So is it "tu pleus"? Or "tu pleut"? And could I be any lazier, asking someone else all my French questions as opposed to dragging out my old texts and looking for myself? I suspect not...Thanks! (Oh wait--I'm not supposed to say that!)



Thanks again, Kittens, and have a wonderful weekend.

Mary


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Re: Gods Served and Abandoned

Postby Grimlock72 » Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:37 pm

"quiet"/"silence" is what comes to mind on reading this chapter. I can't put it into better words unfortunatly. Reminded me a bit of the mood in _The Body_, so quiet yet tense and sad.



I didn't see Dawn as particulairy annoying in this update, she was just a normal teenager. Normal teenager tend not to deal well with their mother being clinically death, duh :) . Dawn is/was firmly stuck in "denial" phase, thats for sure... with anger as a nice deflector. I even felt sorry for Buffy having to take on most of Dawnie's anger.



Tara has indeed experience with her own mother die-ing, coupled with her caring/compassionate nature makes her a good narrator for this chapter. I did notice that the heal-her-with-magic question was never really answered, Tara just jumped to another topic (likely because she didn't want to discuss magic that way).



As for the legal stuff; I think not-married-couples need to sign "power of attorney" papers for each other in the US. Over here in the Netherlands a "living together contract" (horrible direct translation I know) should be enough, or just get married :D .



Heart-breaking chapter this, well done never the less.



Grimmy

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She(Tara) knew that she was Willow too. If she knew that then why hadn't Willow herself? That wasn't fair. She was Willow. she should have known that first. -- Willow in _Sidestep Chronicle_ (part 80)

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