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Re: Part 29

Postby Nation » Sat May 31, 2003 8:32 pm

Apparently someone should call the W.H.O. or on a smaller scale the C.D.C.....apparently Willow-babble is contagious!! Great update as usual. I enjoyed Tara's phone call to her aunt. I think them talking could be very therapeutic for Tara. I'm enjoying this story so much. No reply necessary, please spend you time replying to others, writing, or just relaxing. Again, thanks for this great story.





Nation

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Feedback Replies

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sat May 31, 2003 8:59 pm

Hey~~You guys define "rock-dom."



Debra:
One yellow jersey, comin' up! Glad you like the dialogue; it's definitely one of my favorite elements to write. You know, I struggled w/ Willow's presence or absence during the phone call; eventually I decided that I wanted the reader's attention focused totally on those two characters and their exchange. Of course, Tara didn't know that, which was why she gave Willow the reason she did. Make sense? Probably not. Must be the crack doughnuts...



I loved this: "Now here's my thought: Great pack a bag. Pack two bags. Actually, pack three bags! Take Dawn with you and don't come back until Glory is gone or the date passes." Good eats down Lone-Star way? Hmm...



Thanks, Debra--I always love your feedback!



Washi: Waiting like crazy? I'm wracked w/ guilt! I promise that the next update will arrive more quickly. Thanks, even though I'm not supposed to say that...



Puff: Hey girl! Good call on Tara's character being reflected by her focus right now. She's not thinking much about her individual future, b/c she's so dedicated to the people in her present, and has such a need to understand her past before she can move on. Glad you enjoyed that last part~~it was fun to write! Can't wait to see you at MR, Puff! Thanks for writing, and give the horses a good nose rub for me, OK?



Molsongrrrl: First of all, thanks for helping me out w/ the other computer issue--you're a patient soul...So you want a road trip, eh? Gotta say, the last one was fun to write...You know, I think a lot of folks are struggling w/ the idea of Tara's mother doing such a thing, most particularly the part about taking her son with her. Hope you enjoy where it goes from here!



Nation: Can I say thanks? I can? Cool...Thanks!



And so to bed for this kitten...



Later,

Mary


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Re: More Feedback; More Replies

Postby Domaris » Sat May 31, 2003 9:09 pm

Hi! Excellent update ;)



And that:



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Tara just peered at her. "Well, her voice sounded clear, so I’m pretty sure she wasn’t going down on anybody at the time," she finally replied, keeping her face neutral.




LMFAO! :lol Spicy-talk Tara :drool



I'm looking foward for more :D



Domaris

"Rock my world!" - Gia

"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes" - Somebody

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Re: Feedback Replies

Postby The Rose24 » Sat May 31, 2003 10:32 pm

AU,



I am so glad you are back. I love the conversation between Tara and her Aunt. I hope Tara finds the answers she is looking for.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


The Rose24
 


Re: Part 29

Postby TemperedCynic » Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:31 am

The phone conversation was wonderful for Tara and Aunt Beverly, but both parties knew it was not enough. Seeing the person, watching their expressions, that is what was missing here and they both sensed the need to meet and talk again. Soon. Willow and Tara meeting Aunt Beverly has so many open possibilities.



As for "spicy-talk Tara", I expect sometime soon (in public) Tara will coyly whisper sweet nothings into Willow's ear that will leave her red-headed lover wide-eyed, slack-jawed and feeling like a neon sign is flashing "TILT" above her suddenly freezed-dried brain. Heh, Willow must be so much fun to write...


More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly. Woody Allen (1935 - )

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Re: Feedback Replies

Postby Grimaldi » Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:49 am

great update :)



Tara's aunt seems really cool, and her response to Willow's question about her aunt was funny

I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps

Grimaldi
 


Re: Part 29

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:16 pm

Domaris: Glad you enjoyed the laugh! It was fun to write. Thanks for following this fic and taking the time to write.



Rose: Yeah, the more I mulled it over, the more it seemed that Nathan's half-sister would be important to see first-hand (vs. talked about through other characters). Thanks!



Tempered Cynic: You're absolutely right: the conversation was a good start, but so much remains to be illuminated. I think it's easy for a writer to fall into the snare of having one climactic scene b/w two+ characters in which all is revealed and everyone moves ahead enlightened and improved. I certainly have nothing against climaxes, heaven knows, but such scenes end up feeling like short-cuts, I think. I like your vision of Tara whispering sweet somethings in Willow's ear...You're right--she's great fun to write! Thanks, TC--always love seeing your name on this thread.



Grimaldi: Tara definitely needs more answers from her aunt, even though this conversation was helpful to her. Glad you're enjoying it!



More later,

Mary


AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Feedback Replies

Postby Grimlock72 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:49 pm

I was also wondering where Willow was during that phone-call. Seeing Tara being all upset and confused, she could have used some calming presence. Good thing that was adressed about a minute after I thought of it :D I don't think it was Willow feeling exclude as much as it was her wanting to be there for Tara during difficult times. (for which the phone call qualifies)



Now what did that phone call establish ? It certainly reconnected two kinda lost members of the MaClay familly/group, but did it do much MORE then that ? Tara has some questions but she's afraid to ask them, because she wants to keep some comforting image of her mother. On the other hand she does want to know the truth, otherwise she'll have nagging questions the rest of her life. I think having Willow around for the next call might help Tara gather enough courage to ask the questions she actually wanted to ask. The ones she called for.



There will always be some big bad around in Sunnydale. At this time they don't know the ritual is on a time-limit. When does Tara plan to visit Dallas ? When the current big bad (Glory) is gone ? Who's to say a new big bad won't arrive the minute they've boarded their plane to Dalles ??



They could of course invite Beverly to come over to Sunnydale, but that would be kinda mean. After all, you don't invite someone to join in a war-zone without telling them so much :D .



I'm in favour of any way/method to get Tara and Willow out of Sunnydale, so I prefer them going to Dallas.



Good to see Tara is still in good spirits, judging by the spicey talk at the end.



Grimmy

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She(Tara) knew that she was Willow too. If she knew that then why hadn't Willow herself? That wasn't fair. She was Willow. she should have known that first. -- Willow in _Sidestep Chronicle_ (part 80)

Edited by: Grimlock72 at: 6/1/03 2:58:09 pm
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Re: Part 29

Postby jixer » Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:32 pm

Hello Kittens-



I can see Tara's struggle to make the call, and I can understand it. You've made her hesitation and reasoning so clear. It's also easy to see much of Willow's wanting to be part of Tara's conversation and escort to Dallas is a protective streak that's been growing through two stories. While I can understand and applaud protective Willow I wonder if she truly knows how strong Tara is, and how much of this protectiveness is about Willow's choices and what happened in the past.



On another note I'd say they should go to Dallas. The stores in Sunnydale are never going to match Neiman Marcus. the shoe department alone should keep Glory distracted until it's too late.





Jixer

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Re: Feedback Replies

Postby tommo » Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:37 am

Okay...I'm catching up on a whole lot of stuff here. And when I've finished feedback-ing, I'm going to go off and berate myself for missing several parts of this compelling story. There may be flagellation involved. Possibly a hair shirt. I haven't decided yet. Ahem.



Part 24



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Willow suddenly felt desperately sad for all of the love that would never see the light of day under the constant threat of the Hell Mouth. Without conscious intention, she snuggled more closely to Tara, wanting to wrap herself around her beloved and keep her within her sight at all times, lest the heedless machinations of evil try to take her away.




I love this paragraph. It made me terribly sad, and yet, at the same time, terribly proud of Willow and Tara, and by default, all of the other Scoobies too. The mere fact that by definition of their surroundings, they strive to hold some semblance of a "normal" life, and do form relationships, and love, perhaps, more than other people. Their love is probably stronger, because it seems in such short supply on the Hellmouth. The fact of the situation is that it's abundant in this fic; you've covered so many different types of love between these characters and shown the many ways in which they cling to their common bonds of affection and emotion in spite of the mortal danger that is constantly haunting them. It's a wonderful contrast, that here Willow is mourning for the love that might never see the light of day, whilst at the same time, confirming that that love does indeed exist, and grows stronger under the shadows cast by the existence and prevalence of evil in their lives. You express that wonderfully (much better than I just have, heh) here, and in a simple movement, underline the fact that Willow and Tara's love survives above all. It's very touching, very affirming and also very sad at the same time.



And then you do the most wonderful thing; you take that aching moment where true love is expressed between Dawn and Buffy, and you make it into a humourous exchange. This not only reminds me of the show at its best, but also brings out the essential characterisation of Buffy. It's easy for me to love the Buffy you write, just as it was easy for me to love the Buffy who wanted to protect Dawn in Season 5. I remember that one of my favourite lines was when Buffy said she would be the last thing Dawn saw, fighting to defend her, when Glory opened the barriers between worlds. That always summed up the depth of emotion passing between sisters, and here you've captured that in humour. In this chapter, your exploration of that bond seems even more pertinent, because you're focusing on the one thing that's a decisive factor; that Dawn is, essentially, a teenager. Having Buffy recognise that, and her speech was emotional and touching in itself, is an amazing leap from talking about "The Key" and what it does. Buffy reminds us, the readers, as well as the other characters, that Dawn is human (at least, visibly and emotionally) and that she's just a girl. I love how you change the tone of this scene from anxiety to love in the space of a short speech from Buffy. That's absolutely amazing.



***



Part 25



Oh dear lord. I'm taking off my glasses and cleaning them right now, as a matter of fact. I have certain things that never fail to strike a chord with me. Joyce, her illness and resulting death is one of them. Whenever I watch old episodes with Joyce in them, I feel an overwhelming sense of how much I miss her. She was one of the mainstays of the show, you know? I can't honestly watch much of Season 5 without starting to mourn for her all over again. Sigh.



You were right when you said this chapter was intense. But it's so much more than that. It's horribly sad, and very real. I think the opening, seeing the hospital through Tara's eyes was a major change of viewpoint for me. I know she had that whole scene with Buffy in The Body, but this establishes her fear and involvement with the situation from the get go, and in doing that, you've only managed to compound the inherent empathy that Tara establishes here.



Her silence when Buffy is talking about what to do with her mother is palpable. There's so much emotion going on under the surface, namely connected with guilt, I think. Buffy's already having pre-guilty feelings about taking her mother off the machines, and god, that's a heartbreaking decision she's considering here and you cover that so very well. The fact that relations between the Summers sisters, confirmed and strengthened in the last part of the fic, are entirely broken and destroyed here, is really touching and sad. Just when Buffy thought she was proving to Dawn how much she loved her, she's now the object of Dawn's terror and anger about her mother. Having to take the responsibility to effectively end her mother's half-life as is, is a burden that she's never had to shoulder as a Slayer. And as a human, as a daughter, and most of all, as a big sister, it's killing her right here, and you express that wonderfully.



The scene with Tara and Dawn is wonderful. And I think I'd have liked to have seen something similar to this in the show. Given that Tara's been through this situation, and given that she's as close to Dawn as she clearly is, she's the perfect character to give the teenager a wake up call. I've always found that Tara, when written well, appears much stronger and confident in fanfic than she ever did in the show. Here, she's not afraid to face down Dawn's anger and explain her feelings away, giving the girl some sense of reality to the situation. Her repeated question of "what if things don't get better?" is so very persistent and awful at the same time.



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She gripped Dawn’s shoulders. "I did let my mother die! She went through so much chemotherapy, so much radiation that by the end there was practically nothing left of the woman I knew…nothing except her eyes and her smile and her mind, and she used that mind to decide she wanted to come home and die there. Do you think that’s what I wanted? You think I wouldn’t have walked to hell and back just to see her smile at me one more time? But she knew what she wanted, and she could decide for herself. Your mom doesn’t have her mind, Dawn. Her mind is already gone. Except she told Buffy what she wanted, and now you have to grow up even more and face that fact."




Sigh. Someone really needed to tell Dawn all of this. Someone needed to bring that stark reality into her life and to point out that loss is a part of everyone's life. I think this is probably a really important moment in the relationship between Tara and Dawn, in light of the fact that Dawn is realising she's not alone in this. She's already suffering from a sense of isolation, given her whole "keyness", and I think that the feelings she's having about the situation with her mother only enhances that. What you've done here is to bring Dawn back into the group again; you've included her in the collective mourning that the Scoobies are already doing for Joyce.



Tara's confession here is heartbreaking, and yet oddly dispassionate. She's obviously been over this guilt so many times in her own head, and yet here she's using that to give some semblance of hope to Dawn, some explanation of the tough realities of life. That's what I admire most about Tara, and it's something I think they touched on in Forever, but never really explored to a fuller extent. What you've done here is get to the heart of Tara's character, and remind me (and I'm sure, everyone else who reads this) of why I love her so much, and of why she's such an essential part of the group.



Quote:
"I can’t lose her," she finally managed. "I just can’t."



But you will, Tara thought sadly, even as she murmured, "I know, Sweetie…I know…"




Ah...this is really wonderfully heartbreaking. And does it make me a bad person that I welcome this kind of writing? That I actually love the sorrow here? It's inevitable, it's painful, and it's so bloody good...



***



Part 26



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Tara watched her lover’s face crease with sadness and anxiety, and her heart ached for the sincerity with which Willow so wanted to do the right thing for those she loved.




You know, I think it's really important to remind us all of this particular Willow here. That's the Willow I think they lost in the show, and it's gratifying to see her back in fanfic, where I suppose she belongs now. I love Willow's desire to please; I love her tenacious attempts to do what she feel is right; most of all I love her depth of feeling for the people she's taken into the heart of herself. She is sincere here; this speaks more about her character than the relationships she has with the others. And it's heartening to know that in your fic, Willow is just...well, Willow.



Quote:
Willow had tried Hank Summers once more, this time leaving the message that the mother of his children was dying and that she hoped his secretary was doing well.



"Very bitter," Tara commented, her tone holding no reproach at all.



"Very satisfying," Willow replied simply.




Ah god, this is a perfect little moment. I can totally see them doing this, and the expressions crossing their faces. It's almost sick really, the amount of pleasure I can get from this little exchange, rooted in deep sorrow and resentment as it is. But again, you've managed to get right to the heart of the characters and show how deep their feelings are for those affected by events, and how much anger is bubbling just under the surface. And you know, I was just talking about how you've shown the real Willow in this fic, and here, you've done that again. My Willow doesn't do forgiveness very well; and she has quite a temper when roused. She's also not above cheap shots, like the secretary comment, and you've managed to remind me of that little bitter girl that sometimes creeps out of the soft, loving, veneer. I love that. Thanks. :)



Quote:
And though they had all been prepared to stand vigil for hours and perhaps days, Joyce Summers, beloved daughter of Jack and Sharon McNamara, beloved mother of Buffy and Dawn Summers, seemed to know that she was being called elsewhere, and so she did not breathe and did not linger, but rather left as she had lived—quietly, with dignity and immense grace.




Oh bloody hell. Bloody fucking pissing hell!



Dammit. I love Joyce. I loved her in the show and I love her here, too. I think of all the deaths on the show, Joyce's was the one that confused me the most. I feel like Anya; again I'm asking myself "why". I just don't understand it.



And this struck a personal chord with me too; I found out recently that a very good friend of mine is desperately ill. I remember being on the phone with my girlfriend, hardly able to get the words out because I was crying so much and asking her why this was happening, and why all the good people seem to get taken away from us. I kind of feel like that now...over a fictional character. But the feeling is the same, I guess. And by god, it hurts. The way you've described Joyce here, as having immense grace and dignity; I think that hit home the most. It reminded me of the bit in Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe when Ruth dies, and she's described as an angel, just visiting earth for a while. I don't think it's over-emotional of me to think of Joyce in that way. And dammit, you ended this chapter with an amazing description, summing up just why everyone is so heartbroken, and also making your readers feel that way too.



I hope you know that as a result of this, I'm making a mental note to call my mum tonight and make sure she knows I love her. Sigh.



***



Part 27



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Anya looked at her gratefully, and then turned back in her seat. Willow realized that Tara had just chastised Xander in her own quiet way.




Oh...wonderful. I always felt like Anya got short shrift when she was making her amazing speech in The Body. Yes, I think that it touched Willow and Xander, but I think I would have liked Tara to hear it too. Here, you've established that bond between them that I think would benefit Anya in so many ways. And yes, Tara's patience and love and general empathy, rooted in her simple explanation and chastisment of Xander is getting right to the heart of her character. Wonderful stuff.



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"Thank you so much for coming," she announced, in a pleasant, even voice. "Please come in. Let me just find a place for this." Willow saw Tara squeeze Anya’s shoulder briefly as she walked by.




And there you go, making sure that you follow up that trend you started in the car. That's one of the things I like most about your writing; you don't forget things. Instead, you ensure that readers are firmly rooted and comfortable in the knowledge that your execution of the characters and the situations in which they find themselves is assured and confident. Your style is so wonderfully easy to read in that manner. Fabulous stuff; really.



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"There are so many things I need to ask her, Will, and now I’ll never get the chance. And Mrs. Summers will never get to see Buffy graduate and Dawn will never get to show Mrs. Summers her SAT scores and they’ll never get to sit down together for another meal, ever. I hate it, Willow. I hate how Death just takes whomever it wants, whenever it wants them, whether we’re ready to let them go or not."




I'm quote-happy today. So sue me. But this just sums up the grieving process perfectly for me. The notion that losing someone doesn't just include not having them around anymore, but that there's a long legacy of an empty space that you need to look forward to. It hurts, Mary. In a really bloody good way. And similarly to the manner in which it was touched on in the show, here you've managed to expand on the idea that Death is arbitrary, and has no regard for family or love or anything, really. Which brings me back to the ongoing theme throughout this story; that idea of the human demonic and the demonic demonic. I think here, the demons that are stalking Buffy and her friends are very real, and are borne from something that she can't fight. And you perfectly describe the frustrations of the Slayer in a human world. She can't fight Death; not when it swoops in and claims a human victim by natural causes. Honestly, it's making me ponder the whole notion of our humanity and how fragile it is, and how that relates to Dawn's acceptance of who, and what, she is.



***



Part 28



I love how this chapter begins with the Scoobies being "all about the business" once more. It's a grim reminder, especially when you make the comment about Buffy not taking time off to mourn because of her calling, that in this world, Death is a point from which to move on to other things. It's a sad reality, and it's hurtful, particularly when you describe Giles' reactions to Joyce's death. I love how you have this underlying depth of emotion the two had for one another and yes, I agree, they really were Buffy's parents. Ah dammit...now I miss Joyce all over again...sigh...



Quote:
"Do things ever calm down?" Tara asked, her tone suggesting that the question was largely rhetorical. Willow, though, answered her.



"About once a year; for about seven or eight hours. We usually use that time to catch up on our correspondence, maybe take in a movie."




One of the things I like most about your writing is how you're able to capture that Scooby sensibility. There's a sardonic nature in all of them, that is able to face down the Apocalypse or even a Hellgod. This little exchange reminds me that they fully understand their predicament; that the battle between Good and Evil is ongoing, whether in the human experience or that of supernatural ramifications. I love how you do that; and I especially love how you capture that tone in the dialogue. Not only does this make the characters true to the people they originally were in the show, but it also means that you get it. And you do, Mary. You get it. :)



Bringing that recurring theme of Tara's background in here was wisely chosen, I think. It seems somewhat fitting that in the aftermath of Joyce's death, Tara's own humanity, and links to that humanity come to the fore again. I loved the idea of Donny, Beth and Nathan "circling" one another. It shows just how wary they are of committing to emotion and communication. Then you contrast that with the scene containing the letter, and show us just how well Willow and Tara communicate with one another. These scenes are in opposition to one another, and yet they display successfully just how dysfunctional the Maclay family are, and how lucky Tara must feel to be away from them. Breaking the cycle, so to speak, I guess. And I'm looking forward now to following Tara's main theme in this fic, and to discovering, with her, the origins of her own existence and connection to her family line.



***



Part 29



Ho-kay...almost done rambling now. Like I said, I was looking forward to Tara discovering more about the past she never knew she had. Well, specifically, the legacy of the past that she never knew her mother had. It was actually a bit of a shock to find out that her Aunt Bev was...well, you know...normal. Heh. I didn't expect that. It was a nice shock, though. If shocks can be nice...



Anyway. I love how you're having Tara act here. I love how she's somewhat dispassionate about Nathan; even after receiving the letter from him that was so unexpected and showed that he does indeed have feelings for her above and apart from the fact that she's her mother's chiled. The sense of that familial responsibility is, I think, going to be important because you're contrasting that with the same thing going on between Buffy and Dawn. As a matter of fact, I've kind of assimilated these situations in my head as being somewhat the same, in terms of having a family member that you care about, but that doesn't actually belong there. And how do you deal with that? How do you put into action some kind of coping mechanism for having all you'd accepted as "normal" turn on its head and make you question everything you'd accepted throughout your life?



Again, the dialogue between Tara and Willow here is wonderful. It gets right to the heart of their characters, and that's important for us as readers because it reminds us that the basis of their relationship is their heart, and their amazing capacity to love one another and cherish that love. That's the basis of any successful relationship, I think; the ability to love, communicate, and trust in that emotion.



And I'm just racking up the phone calls I need to make now to the special people in my life. Sigh. Just to let them know, you know, that I care. Heh. I do love a story that elicits a visceral emotional response in me. This is one of those stories. And I'm sorry for rambling on so much, and I do apologise for not keeping up with the updates regularly. But it's been a real treat to read so many parts at once, if a little draining in terms of the reaction I had to them. But drained is better than nothing, I suppose. Heh.



Thank you so much for writing this, Mary. It's a real gift of a fic, and a total joy to read.



And here endeth the ramble. :)



















"No cheese? Well, I brought you some. It's extra stinky." ~ New Cheese Rising

tommo
 


Re: Part 29

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:23 pm

Hey Folks~~ If I knew more languages, I'd find more ways to say "Thank you." As it is, I can only say, um...thank you, I guess.



Grimmy: Hello there...You know, I decided to break up the "Aunt Beverly element" because there's just so much there--both emotionally (for Tara) and logistically (for me, as a writer). You know, a lot of folks are wanting to see our girls heading (relatively) east. Hmm...Thanks for the ideas and the encouragement, Grimmy!



Jixer: I really like your point about Tara's strength, and how easy it seems for folks (even Willow) to underestimate it. I think these characters have all seen strength defined primarily through overt and powerful displays, vs. the quieter, steadier strength that Tara has. And I have to say, I absolutely loved this: On another note I'd say they should go to Dallas. The stores in Sunnydale are never going to match Neiman Marcus. the shoe department alone should keep Glory distracted until it's too late. How did you know that shopping would prove to be the most important plot device in the whole story, Jixer? Damn...Thanks for writing, Jixer--I always enjoy your ideas and the way you convey them.



Ruth: Holy stunning feedback, BatDyke! Wow...I have to say, I always get a thrill when I see your name on the thread, b/c I know that I'm about to read some impressive thoughts. This time, though, you just blew me away. Truly--I ended up a few miles outside of Pittsburgh, and just now got back home.



You make so many incredible points, Ruth. More than anything, I'm immensely heartened that the characterizations ring true for you. I definitely share your very special warmth for Joyce. I remember being quite moved, even through the surrealism of the moment, in "Restless" when Buffy happens upon her mother, trapped behind a wall w/ mice nibbling on her feet. She insists that she's fine, that she knows Buffy is terribly busy w/ her slaying, even while Buffy is saying that it's not safe for her to be there. And just as Joyce starts to suggest that maybe Buffy could help her break out, Buffy gets distracted by something and moves on. (Not that that scene pushes any of my guilt buttons...) I thought your reference to "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe" was very apropos. In the movie, after Ruth dies and Sipsy is pulling Idgie back from the bed, Sipsy whispers, "Let her go. Miss Ruth was a lady, and a lady always knows when it's time to leave." God, that scene kills me every time I watch it.



I love your consideration of how these people have learned to love in spite of, or perhaps because of, where they live and what they do. They take so little for granted, and yet somehow they don't spiral down into a chasm of despair or fatalism. At the risk of sounding trite, I think they capture (or captured, back before they became derivative caricatures) the reality that loving is the greatest defiance possible of danger and chaos.



I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. After my father died, at 59, I found myself looking around at the various and sundry rejects that society has to offer (as I define "rejects," of course) and wondering, "Why are you still here when he's gone? How unutterably fucked is that?" I hope that your friend is doing as well as possible, and that you have the warmth and support of your own circle.



Finally, I trust your phone bill isn't totally unmanageable, Ruth, and I hope that in the course of those phone calls you received from others the same message you were sending them.



Thank you so very much for the incredible feedback, Ruth, and for taking the time both to follow this story and offer such perceptive observations about it.



I toddle off now to bed~~

Mary


AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Feedback Replies

Postby justin » Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:06 pm

That last update really was amazing. Tara's conversation with her aunt was very well written, then the conversation with Willow was the icing on the cake :bow



Can I add my vote Willow & Tara taking Dawn off to Dallas?



I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am


justin
 


Re: A lovely interlude both needed and appreciated...

Postby Cindy Lou Who » Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:18 pm

Mary (haunting-hilarious-heart altering Mary):



Sorry rhyming - poorer timing. If you listen closely you'll hear the Cadence cry "Foul!":blush



I'm under the gun to be somewhere else -

Life is quite wonderfully hectic!

I could pull at my hair - wring hands in despair

Yet I feel joyful (strange! Not apoplectic.)



One must make time for what's important.;)



Must needs leave a few words - it's important you see.

Your sensibility - singularly irreplaceable to me.



How I adored the oxymorons

Their strident clashing harmony.:clap

Darling Tara wanting answers

Nigh lost in anxiety.:cry

"I've become my lover.":rofl

Upon the moment's reading

I thought it was just me

Who saw Willow-babble manifest

In her girl delightfully!



Make no mistake about it Mar...

I love Aunt Beverly.

She seemed attentive - in any event

She spoke with clarity.:glasses



Liked it; loved it; heavens above! It

Made a good day even better!

I'm off to the races (...well many fun places)

But ere I go - salutation to letter:



With stars and moons and even green clovers

I send you my warmest regard.

I know I must go - yet I can't feign to know

Why the leaving is oddly so hard?



***Okay now I've gotta go! (I really am the Palest Rabbit of all!)***



Hearts and flowers by the hours ~ Suse



"It is better to wear out than to rust out." ~ George Whitefield

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Re: Feedback Replies

Postby stereo33 » Wed Jun 04, 2003 2:29 pm

Great update again Mary - I was glad that Tara has now contacted her aunt and that Willow (although initially hurt she hadn't been there) understood why Tara had done it. I also liked Willow's question about whether her aunt sounded gay or not? and not forgetting Tara's reply.

Hopefully then sometime soon-ish (& fighting hell gods permitting) we're going to see a visit? I hope so! There's always so much in your stories Mary I don't know what I want to see first? I do know however, I always enjoy reading your updates and am looking forward to the next one.

Thanks

Karen



P.S. Hope you have a good time at M.R. :)

stereo33
 


Final replies

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:40 pm

Hey Kittens: Some final replies, and then I'm posting Part 30. Thanks!



Justin: It's definitely interesting to see how invested people are in getting our girls outta Dodge. I hope you like where I take this idea. Thanks for following this story and sending in the good thoughts.



Suse~~

I'm partial to your feedback; you'll have to excuse me...

What can I say? I say, "So Suse me!"




You do cadence like Amber does lop-sides smiles. I always find my head sort of nodding along when I read your words. Yes, Tara so desperately wants answers, and has such a dearth (isn't that a great word?) of options that are (a) credible and (b) alive. (That last one's always tricky...) I'll be very curious to see what you think of this installment.



So, at the risk of being nosy (which I sorta am, by inclination, but truly not given to interrogation or crude examination or unwanted consideration)--sounds like some good things are happening in your life. I soitanly hope so--methinks ye richly deserve it, you know?



I hope you enjoy certain parts of this update, and trust me--you'll know what I mean when you get there.



Later, fine woman of the Northwest shore...

May your life be free of that which you abhor~~



Karen: Thanks for the kind words, Karen! I'm always glad to see your name on this thread, because I like how you consider characters and their emotional motivation. Hope you like where it all goes from here.



Update to follow~~

Mary


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Part 30

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:04 pm

Gods Served and Abandoned

Disclaimers:
I own everything except, it would seem, a sense of humility.

Spoilers:
Up to season 5. I’ve played slightly with the timing of a certain BigBad’s appearance, with some implications for Dawn’s entrance.

Rating:
R for now; if it changes, I’ll give heads-up.

Distribution:
Sure, with acknowledgement.

Feedback:
Bring it on…


*****
Part 30

See if you can play "Spot the Kitty"!

*****


How many times have we sat here, like this? How many more times will we be here in the future, all of us, safe for at least the time being? Willow had such thoughts occasionally, though she tried mightily to keep such mental sojourns brief.

They were gathered at Giles’ for another update, though it wasn’t clear how much new information there was to be shared. In Willow’s opinion, Giles looked only marginally better than he had four days ago, when she had last seen him. He had managed to provide cookies and various representatives of the cola world, however, and his apartment had been given at least a cursory cleaning. Tara and Willow sat on the couch with Buffy, while Dawn was perched on its arm. Xander and Anya sat across from them in chairs while Giles, as was his wont, paced the floor.

Leaning over, Xander caught Willow’s eye and nodded toward Tara. "You gonna eat that?" he asked.

Choking on her Diet Coke, she stared at him dumbly for a brief moment until she realized that he was actually indicating the sole remaining Oreo on the plate she shared with Tara—which now sat in front of her partner.

"Not at this precise moment," she managed, earning a bewildered look from her friend.

"And you’ve received no further message from Glory?" Giles was asking Buffy. "No warning of any kind?"

"Nope. She made her one special delivery and then went back into hiding—wherever it is exactly that a god hides," Buffy added, her brow furrowed. "I mean, that’s the thing—she knows where I am, but I have no idea where she hangs her horns or her pitchfork or whatever accoutrements she’s partial to."

"It’s certainly frustrating," Giles acknowledged, "but at least she doesn’t know that Dawn’s the Key."

"She doesn’t know it yet," Anya corrected him, "but she certainly will by the time we’re through."

The group turned to her as a single body. Buffy’s voice won out over the others.

"What are you talking about?" she demanded, her face flushing. "Have you lost whatever trace of humanity you’ve picked up in the last two years?"

Anya recoiled from the force of the Slayer’s outrage, her face etched with shock. "Of course not," she protested angrily. "I’m saying that if we’re not careful with what we say and where we say it, Glory’s going to find out from us. Even though it’s the last thing any of us want," she added, her gaze lingering significantly on Buffy.

"But we’re hardly carrying on these conversations at the Espresso Pump," Giles replied slowly. "I certainly appreciate your discretion, Anya, and let me just pause for a moment to grasp the sheer improbability of ever saying such a thing to you." He shook his head quickly. "I’m sure, however, that we’re perfectly safe here."

"How do you know?" she persisted. "I was just reading this great mystery from Debra J. Skippet—you’d enjoy her; she likes women as well," the ex-demon commented, in an aside to Willow and Tara. "Anyway, her latest book is called ‘The Lady Drove a Pick-Up,’ and in it, the main character realizes that her house is being bugged by this guy who’s trying to frame her for murder. And if a mortal can do it, heaven knows—no pun intended—that a god can do it."

"She’s got a point," Willow said, less reluctantly than she might have a few months ago. "Glory does know that Buffy’s involved somehow—wouldn’t she want to keep a close eye on her, and probably a close ear as well?"

The Watcher nodded slowly. After a moment, Buffy did likewise, looking at Anya apologetically. "Sorry about the detonation," she said quietly.

Anya seemed taken aback at the words. "No problem," she finally replied, an awkward smile emerging on her face.

Buffy spoke more decisively. "Well, she hasn’t figured it out yet, but let’s not take the chance." She turned to her sister. "What we need is an alias for you. Any ideas?" she asked, looking around the group.

"Well, we could go with—whaddyacallem—anti-hyms," Xander suggested. "Something like ‘Sunset.’"

"In the first place, Xander, they’re antonyms," Giles sighed. "And in the second, it would hardly require the mind of a god to solve that riddle."

"Hey, how about your favorite character from your favorite Christmas special?" Buffy asked suddenly. "Cindy Lou Who?"

"But I’m way more than two," Dawn protested. "I’m like, a million and fifteen."

"Yeah, she’s way too cute for you anyway," Buffy grumbled.

"How about ‘Sela’?" Willow asked, tactfully ignoring Dawn as she glared at her sister. "I read that name recently. It's really classy and kinda serene."

"We should probably avoid gender-specific names," Tara countered reluctantly. "I was gonna suggest ‘Antigone,’ because I love that play, but—"

"‘Antigone’?" Dawn scoffed. "Pretentious much?"

"Picky much?" Buffy countered. "It’s an alias, not a life partner."

"Well you may be happy to go through life with a name like ‘Buffy,’ but I’m going to pick something appropriate… Stylish, yet tasteful."

"And after we select your name, we’ll hit the boutiques to find just the right pair of shoes to accessorize it," Giles sighed. "Might we focus on the task at hand? Tara is right—we should choose a name which conveys as little information as possible."

"And what kind of name is ‘Buffy,’ anyway?" Dawn continued to grumble. "I mean, what names did Mom and Dad reject before they settled on that winner? Muffy? Blossom? Besides I still don’t see why I can’t just choose my own name. I mean, it’s not like I’d pick something obvious or stupid. I think I wanna be—"

"Pita," Buffy said abruptly, staring at her sister.

"You want to name me after a pocket bread?" Dawn looked incredulous. "Why not just call me ‘Kaiser,’ or ‘Multi-Grain’?"

"Not the bread; the acronym," Buffy corrected her. "PITA: Pain In The Ass."

"You are so not going to call me "Pain in the Ass," Dawn practically howled.

"We won’t," Buffy replied. "We’ll call you ‘PITA.’" She looked around. "What do you guys think?"

"But there’s Peta Wilson, the total babe who starred in ‘La Femme Nikita,’" Tara noted, registering one second too late Willow’s expression. "Who has completely let herself go and now looks just awful," she hastened to amend. "I think she has leprosy, in fact."

"Uh-huh," Willow muttered, not remotely appeased.

"Anyway, we can’t use a name that would get someone else killed," Tara continued, obviously eager to move away from this particular appellation.

"Do we have to use a name at all?" Xander asked. "Why not just say ‘the Key’?"

"That may well be the safest option," Giles concurred. Silence ensued, as everyone grappled with the fact that Giles had, in the space of a few minutes, commended Anya on her discretion and Xander on his prudence.

"Yeah, I guess you’re right," Buffy commented after everyone had regained their equilibrium. "Less chance of a slip-up that way, or accidentally putting someone else in danger."

"I’m on board with that," Willow weighed in, after her Full Pout Moment had passed. "Seems like the main thing isn’t just keeping Dawn’s name out of the conversation, it’s also talking about the entire subject as if it involved someone or something outside of our immediate circle."

"We’ll have to be circumspect," Giles warnedthem.

Willow saw Xander’s horrified expression. "Not circumcised, Xander—circumspect. It won’t be painful." Though he clearly didn’t understand the word, he sat back in obvious relief.

"Are we agreed then?" Giles inquired, glancing around the room.

"Can I still get the neat shoes?" Dawn asked. At her sister’s expression, she sat back and crossed her arms over her chest . "Fine. No shoes."

"Sorry…PITA," Buffy offered after a moment.

"No problem…Muffy."

"And so now, albeit sadly, we return to the subject of Glory," Giles said with a small sigh of exasperation. "Though she hasn’t made contact with any of us, she’s still very much a part of Sunnydale. The incidence of psychotic episodes among individuals with no psychiatric history has actually increased, which suggests that it does in fact weaken her to be on this plane in her current form."

Willow noticed Tara practically shrink back into the couch. Looking at her with concern, she mouthed the words, "Baby? You OK?"

Speaking to the entire group, Tara blurted, "If she comes close to me, she’ll have to kill me. I won’t let her take my mind."

A stunned silence fell over her friends. Her lover, though, asked incredulously, "Tara, are you serious? You’d rather be dead than psychotic?"

"I’ve had my mind used and abused enough in my life," Tara replied simply, barely meeting Willow’s gaze. Then she grew visibly uncomfortable with the attention directed at her. "Anyway, it’s not like we have to sign up for one or the other," she added, trying unsuccessfully to smile.

Willow, though, was agitated at what she had just heard. We’ll definitely talk about this later…

"Is there any kind of pattern to her victims?" Buffy asked, looking back at Giles.

"None that we can discern," he noted reluctantly. "It seems to be a matter of…well, convenience. Thus far, no one appears to have been selected for any reason other than his or her availability."

"So if she’s taking more people’s minds than she did when she first arrived," Willow mused, turning her attention back to the subject at hand, "maybe that means there’s a limited window of opportunity. I mean, maybe she needs to get—to get the Key within a certain time frame, or she goes too wonky or whatever to actually use it."

"That would be about the first piece of good news we’ve heard in awhile," Buffy commented, shaking her head.

"If that’s true, though," Giles countered, "we can expect her to step up her efforts to find—the Key.

"Which means we basically play keep-away," Xander pointed out, "instead of having to go on the offense."

Buffy seemed to ponder this with considerable ambivalence, Willow noticed. "What’s the matter, Buffy? Wouldn’t that be easier?"

"Probably," Buffy acknowledged slowly. "But nerve-wracking, in a whole different way. I mean, I’m used to meeting the bad guys head-on, not holing up and just hoping the monster goes away." She looked at Dawn helplessly. "It’s hard to do nothing."

Dawn considered this for a moment, and then slowly replied, "But we know that the Key is ancient and probably incredibly wise, too." At her sister’s bemused expression, she continued, "I’m just saying that I suspect the Key would recommend the option that seems least likely to get people hurt—including you, Oh Mighty, Ass-Kicking Slayer." Willow thought she could hear a slight tremble in Dawn’s voice. "I mean, the Key has probably seen far too much death and destruction in its existence. It wouldn’t want us to go out and deliberately seek more of it."

The room fell very quiet again, until Buffy finally replied, "You’re probably right, Dawn. I guess I can learn to cool my jets in the interest of prudence and deliberation." She managed a wry grin for her sister. "We shouldn’t underestimate the wisdom of the Key, I suppose."

"That path leads only to ruin," Dawn solemnly intoned.

"I’ll keep that in mind…PITA."

"Good idea, Muffy."

Turning back to the group, Buffy said, "So we keep a low profile and wait for Our Lady of Clairol to make a move. Sound like a plan?" An echo of confirmations greeted this question.

"I’d also suggest we all make every effort to avoid being alone if at all possible, certainly in any location that carries heightened vulnerability," Giles added, his voice heavy with warning.

"I’m thinkin’ a hell god can make just about any location pretty vulnerable," Xander commented. "But color me on board, Watcher Man: Anya and I will make sure that we’re always together."

"That’ll be new and different," Willow heard Dawn mutter.

"Ooh—I definitely like this plan better than some of the other ones you guys have dreamed up," Anya enthused. "Breaking into the Initiative? Taunting the Mayor with the same knife you stabbed Faith with? This is much wiser."

"Except that both of those examples ended with us winning," Willow pointed out, suspecting that Buffy had thought the same thing. "Giles, is there any way to get some more intell on Glory? Anything about her past, how the other two hell gods teamed up to kick her skanky ass onto our plane?"

Giles shrugged apologetically. "I’m certainly poring over every tome and reference we have on both Glory and hell gods in general. At present, though, I’ve exhausted every resource I can think of."

You’re so tired, Willow thought suddenly, looking at Giles with fresh compassion. The only reason you can focus on any of this is because it involves saving Joyce’s daughter.

The meeting broke up shortly after this exchange. As they headed back to Tara’s dorm, Willow asked, "Baby? You OK? That whole brain-drain discussion left you pretty freaked, it seemed."

At the words, Tara wrapped her arms tightly about herself, squeezing as close to Willow as walking permitted. She was quiet for several seconds before responding. When she did, her voice was barely audible.

"I meant it, Willow. I’d rather have that bitch kill me than rip my mind out of my body, leave me a hollow shell like those people at the hospital."

Willow stared at her, unable to believe that she was hearing such a flat avowal of death before disability from her beloved. "But Tara, you don’t know that those people won’t recover. This all started so recently; for all we know, it’s a temporary condition."

Tara stopped and wheeled to face her. "They won’t recover, Will. She takes their minds and feeds on them. There won’t be any ‘spontaneous recovery’ for this. They’ll lay there, empty and alone and babbling incoherently and people will have to feed them and change their clothes and bathe them. Nobody knows what horror show is running in their brains, Willow—nobody knows what they hallucinate about or who chases them in their nightmares." She shuddered, a quick, spasmodic twitch, and then stared at Willow intently. "I mean it, Willow—if she comes for me, I’ll fight until she has to kill me and she won’t be able to take my mind. And please don’t try to ‘reason’ with me about this, OK?"

Willow could find no words, and Tara clearly didn’t want to hear the ones she would have hoped to find. She only nodded slowly, and then finally managed to breathe, "We won’t let it happen, Baby…not to any of us. She won’t get any of us, OK?" She eased her arm back around Tara’s shoulders and they resumed their trip home, each deep within her own thoughts.

When they reached Tara’s dorm, it was only 7:30, yet Willow realized that she was exhausted. Me and my damn need to fight for humanity’s survival… With a groan, she remembered the chemistry exam she had yet to study for. All of her books were at Tara’s anyway, but the last thing she felt like doing was cramming for a test.

Maybe if Glory figures out Dawn’s the Key and corners us all, I can stall by firing questions about the chemical composition of the Hell Mouth…

Or maybe I can’t.

As they trudged up the stairs to Tara’s second-floor room, the exhaustion seeming to hit both of them simultaneously, Willow saw a tall figure pacing slowly in front of the door, its back to them. Glancing quickly at Tara, Willow saw that her partner was as taken aback by the idea of a visitor as Willow herself was.

As the figure reached the end of its self-imposed circuit and turned back, Willow could see that it was a woman.

Glory? Here? Her fingers tightened reflexively around Tara’s. They stopped, unsure of what they should do.

The woman stepped toward them hesitantly, giving no indication of any intent to harm them.

"Tara?" The voice was tentative.

If this is Glory, she’s gotta go through me.

Tara, though, had taken a small step forward. Willow looked first at her and then back to the figure just a few feet away.

"Tara, is that you?" Willow struggled to place the accent.

Tara’s voice was low and incredulous. "I don’t believe this…"

The older woman laughed, and her voice sounded warm in Willow’s ears. "Well, sweetie, to coin a phrase—if the niece can’t come to Dallas, take Dallas to the niece."

*****


To Be Continued



Edited by: AntigoneUnbound at: 6/6/03 3:46 pm
AntigoneUnbound
 


Great update!

Postby Kita830 » Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:43 pm

I've been reading this fic for a while, but I'm just now commenting...I'm very sorry. I really love the idea for this story, and the last update was great! (Especially the Peta Wilson/La Femme Nikita reference :wink ) Thanks for a great story, I can't wait for more!



Kita :eek

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I won't be held responsible she fell in love in the first place.

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Re: Part 30

Postby justin » Thu Jun 05, 2003 1:44 am

That was a great update. I loved the interaction between Buffy and Dawn.



I'm glad that Anya clued them in on the need to be discrete. I had this idea that if Glory were to capture Buffy for information the first thing that Buffy would say would be



"I don't care how much you torture me, I won't tell you that Dawn is the key."



I liked the idea of using PITA as an alias, though I'm not surprised that Dawn didn't like it.



It was rather worrying reading about Tara saying she'd rather die than be brain sucked. I can understand her point of view, but doesn't she know that Willow will always find her?



I was rather surprised at the ending but it was certainly nice of Tara's aunt to come over from Dallas. I guess she realised that Tara was upset from the phone call.



Quote:
It's definitely interesting to see how invested people are in getting our girls outta Dodge.




I guess we all just want them to be somewhere safe. Though it did just occur to me that in a story written by a kitten, they're going to be safe pretty much anywhere :D



I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am


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Re: Part 30

Postby Lt Sticks » Thu Jun 05, 2003 1:53 am

hahahaha...PITA, Muffy! :laugh



Loved Xanders line "Are you gonna eat that?" and Willows assumption that he was talking about Tara...yum :p



~Sticks

A fire in my heart, reborn from the ashes...just call me Phoenix



I'm Under Your Spell, nothing I can do, you just took my soul with you...

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Re: Final replies

Postby Washi » Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:10 am

Great update Mary. The dying rather than being brain sucked talk really freaked me out. But, I trust you.

I'm curious to know what Tara's aunt is gonna tell her. Hmm, update soon? :grin

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"See? I've mastered this tact crap." Anya in Tears Of The Goddess by Lisa

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Re: Part 30

Postby mollyig » Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:22 am

This is the Scoobs we know and love. Sitting around at Giles' for serious talk, then the silliness and bantering sets in, showing what a tight-knit group they are that they can tease each other with such ease.



The appearance of Tara's aunt is interesting. No doubt she will have some useful information for Tara.



Thanks.

'cause you are my kind, you're all that I want. Here in this life until we are gone Our breath and our skin, Our hearts and our minds. They're one and the same. You are my kind. - Santana featuring Seal - "You are my kind"

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Re: Final replies

Postby tommo » Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:08 am

Once again you deliver up a wonderful taste of the Scoobies at their best. I love these scenes you write; they're so full of the many reasons why this group are as attractive and dear to our hearts as they are. The chemistry between all of them is a wonderful balance of sarcasm and humour, but also seriousness and a deep caring that you get just right. I love the humour especially; maintaining that tone of banter is something that you do so very well in scenes like this, notwithstanding displaying the relationships between all of the individuals with a subtle finesse.



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"I’ll keep that in mind…PITA."



"Good idea, Muffy."




This little bit reminded me so much of the way that Dawn and Buffy relate to one another in Tabula Rasa, and it hits just the right note of a sisterly familiarity. The way they tease one another is almost like a codicil; they can't help it and yet, it underlines the deep love that they have for one another. If the love story of Season 5 was, as Joss suggested, Buffy's love for Dawn, then you not only hit the nail on the head with scenes like this, but you also expand and explore that link with imagination and style. I could read scenes like this forever; I really could.



Another character that I admire in your fic is Anya. You have a real sense of her, and that's something I rarely see in fanfic, to be honest. You get that balance between "new human" and "blatant inappropriateness" just perfectly, and I love here how her concerns are at first shocking, and then accepted and corroborated by Giles. That was a lovely touch, having him apologise to her that way, and proved to me once again that you not only know these characters, but you understand them. And that, I think, is a tribute to your writing style and your approach to the story as a whole.



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You’re so tired, Willow thought suddenly, looking at Giles with fresh compassion. The only reason you can focus on any of this is because it involves saving Joyce’s daughter.




You know, I love Giles. I really do. I've become so entrenched with looking at his character in my own fic, that I tend to feel a little over-protective of the way he's written in other stories, heh. I'm so impressed and touched by the way you write him here; his deep abiding love for Joyce, and her daughters, that overrides his duty, on occasion. And that Willow notices his exhaustion is wonderful, I think; she takes the place of the reader and points out to us just how much they all care for him, and look to him as the patriarch of the Scoobies now. Indeed, as the patriarch of their makeshift family. In dealing with the themes and issues of family in this fic, you've highlighted just how important the Scoobies are to one another, and made the reader see them as a unit, irregardless of blood ties or familial names. I do admire that, because, to me, that was always at the heart of the show anyway; a strong core group of people who were more family than their own peers or siblings.



I love that you bring the story back to Tara at the end of this chapter. You're very adept at reminding us that this is, essentially, a Willow/Tara story, and by having the chapter finish with the appearance of Tara's aunt, you make sure that the reader is primed to wonder more about Tara's continuing arc throughout this fic. I have my own suspicions about Tara's aunt, to be honest, but I'm too nervous and afraid of being wrong to post them. So I'll just retreat into a corner and mumble to myself. Oh, and, of course, congratulate myself for actually reading this and posting feedback when it's not six months after the event, heh heh.



Thanks for this story, Mary. It's a true gift. :)







"We can be strong."
"Strong like a Camembert?"
"Strong like a Camembert, right."

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Re: Part 30

Postby Domaris » Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:39 am

Hey, really nice update! as Ruth said, the interactions between the characters is perfectly written. Especially Dawn/Buffy(PITA :rofl ) and Xander's misunderstanding of the situations lol!



Keep this path girl, I hope to read more soon :D

"Rock my world!" - Gia

"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes!" - Somebody

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Re: Part 30

Postby JustSkipIt » Thu Jun 05, 2003 7:18 am

Hi Mary,



From earlier:
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Hey Folks~~ If I knew more languages, I'd find more ways to say "Thank you." As it is, I can only say, um...thank you, I guess.
Uhhh, well there’s Gracias and I think Merci and in sign language … Not so great at languages myself.



But now on to the update. Thank you and thank you so much for finally letting Anya bring up my complaint. Hmmm, does that mean I’m like Anya? That’s a sobering thought (though since it’s 8:12 in the morning and I’m working we better hope I’m sober anyway). And what a thrill for little ole me to find Debra J. Skippet in your fic. Very cool and fun. Oh, one correction though:



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"How do you know?" she persisted. "I was just reading this great mystery from Debra J. Skippet—you’d enjoy her; she likes women as well,"
I think the word is “…loves women…” But close enough. Laughed like crazy. :rollin



The entire ensuing Kitten and name discussion was great. Like someone else it reminded me of the Tabula Rasa conversation about names. And loved Dawn’s rhetorical question about the names her parents discarded before Buffy. Really makes you wonder doesn’t it? For that matter, what names did Rupert’s parents discard before deciding on Rupert?



Also hysterical about Tara mentioning the girl from La Femme and then reversing herself. Geez, you mean Willow gets jealous of actresses? Too much energy girl…



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Leaning over, Xander caught Willow’s eye and nodded toward Tara. "You gonna eat that?" he asked.



Choking on her Diet Coke, she stared at him dumbly for a brief moment until she realized that he was actually indicating the sole remaining Oreo on the plate she shared with Tara—which now sat in front of her partner.



"Not at this precise moment," she managed, earning a bewildered look from her friend.
:rollin :bounce :bounce :pinky Gee, I wonder if Tara caught that.



And then at the end when Tara’s aunt showed up—priceless. I have to say I totally expected it from the phone conversation and certainly from the walking home part. I’m so glad she’s here and feeling eager and fascinated to find out how she will interact with the s5 events as we know them.



Great job Mary! Debra



"The simplest and most popular cosmological model today predicts that you have a twin in a galaxy about 10 to the 1028 meters from here. This distance is so large that it is beyond astronomical, but that does not make your doppelgänger any less real." - Scientific American

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Re: Final replies

Postby Sela » Thu Jun 05, 2003 7:19 am

Mary,

You're spoiling us, Mary. Two updates in one week? We're gonna get used to it, you know.



I spotted the Kitty! But I guess it would be pretty obvious to me seeing as I'm the kitty. Anyway, thanks, it was a completely unexpected "shout out." And it made me smile at work, which says a lot.



So on to the story. Another great update. There's so much going on here and I get the distinct feeling you're just setting us up for a series of monumental events. While I know that Tara's past is at the forefront of this fic, it would be foolhardy to push aside the Glory angle. Tara's reaction to the possibility of becoming Glory's "nummy treat" is so vehement that I'm inclined to believe it might actually happen, only, unlike the show, Willow's course of action is going to be more internal and Tara-centric than vengeance-related. And that's due entirely to your characterizations. This Willow would defend to the death, but she would always put the welfare of her loved ones before her own selfishness. And then there's Tara's aunt entering the picture. I have so many questions about this woman. Does she know that Tara is really Quinn's daughter? Does she know that Tara was physically abused? And if so, why didn't she ever do or say anything to stop it? I also wonder if maybe Auntie loves Tara so much because Tara reminds her of herself. And I guess the most important question is does Auntie hold that final puzzle piece for Tara?



What I find so intriguing about your stories is that it's always about choices and consequences in your stories, i.e Tara's mother made a choice to marry Nathan and then cheat on him with Quinn; Nathan made a choice to lie and abuse his children; Donnie made a choice to continue the legacy of abuse with Tara; Beth made a choice to be the Maclay lap dog; and Tara made the choice to leave home. All of these choices had consequences, whether good or bad. But no one gets off free and clear. That idea is something that was sorely lacking from the show (we have only to look at Xander to see that).



And finally, as others have commented, your dialogue just clicks. You make this group of people come to life and what's more, you make them into real friends. There's banter, laughs, deep, emotional conversation, and "let's get down to business" talk. It's how I wish a certain Jay Dubya would've treated these characters. So, thanks for that.



I can't wait for the next update!



--Sela



Sela
 


Re: Part 30

Postby Grimaldi » Thu Jun 05, 2003 8:22 am

great update :)



Xander looking at Tara and asking Willow if she was going to eat that was too funny, i liked the Buffy/Dawn banter when they were trying to come up with names to call the key and i liked Tara's aunt showing up at the end, but i'm worried that she might become a target for Glory in her quest to find the Key

I'm not stealing, I'm just taking things without paying for them. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps

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Replies to Feedback

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:44 pm

Hello, Kitties~~ First, I know that lots of you wanted our girls to go to Dallas, b/c (a) they’d be safe, and (b) it would make for a great road trip. I just couldn’t see them leaving the Scoobies at a time like this, though, with Joyce’s recent death and the impending Glory hoo-ha. (That’s a technical term for "stuff and commotion.") Hence Aunt B’s arrival at the Dale of the Sun. I hope you like what she brings to this story.



Second, many of you mentioned Tara’s obvious horror of the mental devastation wrought by Glory. You know I won’t let anything bad happen to her…or at least anything irrevocably bad. Really.



OK, now on to the specifics…



Kita: Looking at your signature and your avatar, I’m not a bit surprised the Peta reference brought you out of lurker-dom. Yeah, the girl’s a hottie…Thanks for "coming out" and sending in the good thoughts!



Justin: You know, I sort of have this soft spot for Dawn, such that I find myself writing her more sympathetically than I saw her portrayed on the show. You weren’t the only one worried about the group’s lack of discretion, but I have to say that this line evoked the greatest laughter from me: I had this idea that if Glory were to capture Buffy for information the first thing that Buffy would say would be

"I don't care how much you torture me, I won't tell you that Dawn is the key."


Well put, Justin!



As I noted above, a lot of people are reacting to Tara’s dread of mental violation. I think you’ll enjoy where I take it from here. (I hope so, anyway!) Yeah, Aunt Beverly could definitely tell that something was amiss (a miss?) from the phone conversation, and I wanted her on the scene for various reasons. Thanks for reading, Justin, and for sending in such enjoyable feedback!



Sticks: You know, the Xander/Willow exchange at the beginning just sort of fell onto my keyboard; that is, I didn’t really intend to have "a funny Xander moment" when I started the chapter. Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for reading, Sticks.



Washi: You definitely weren’t alone in the "Why is Tara so freaked about the brain-suck thing, and is it me, or did it just get ominous in here?" reaction. Trust me. Really!



Mollyig: Nice penguin feature on the avatar! Yeah, I really enjoy writing Scooby scenes; I’m glad they work for you. Thanks for the good thoughts!



Ruth: And again with the amazing feedback…merci beaucoup! You really nailed it when you described the Scoobies’ chemistry as: "a wonderful balance of sarcasm and humor, but also seriousness and a deep caring."

I think that after ME’s abominable treatment of Willow and Tara, many of us are most upset at the disintegration of a group about which we came so much to care. Their interactions became alternately petty and ludicrous until we found them all fairly distasteful.



Yes, there was definitely a "Tabula Rasa" element to the name banter b/w sisters. You know, I had never heard that part about JW considering S-5’s love story to focus on Buffy and Dawn, but I can certainly see it.



And dear Anya…you know, I think she’s the character most easily caricatured in fiction, b/c her character was already so quirky and over-the-top. Like many Kittens, though, I see her as far more complex and emotionally layered than she might appear at first glance. Her incredible scene in "The Body" captures that so well, I think. I really do love writing her b/c she’s a wonderful "scene pusher" in the sense that she can take the interactions into a realm that few other characters could w/o appearing ridiculous or totally unrealistic. She definitely has a special place in my heart.



You make a wonderful point about "Willow as reader" in pointing out Giles’ exhaustion. If this drama didn’t involve Joyce’s daughters, I wonder if he could really do the work he’s doing, or if he would sink into a depression. (Of course, one could also say that it was his work that brought him into such close contact w/ Joyce, and that person would be entirely correct.) From what I’ve heard, he got a little Xander-ish in the last season, in the sense of being moralistic and judgmental. If that’s true, it’s a shame, b/c one of the features I always enjoyed most about him was his combination of experience with the darker side of life and his belief that he could guide Buffy but not dictate to her. Just another reason I’m glad I don’t get UPN in my neck o’ the woods…



And now, of course, I’m just dying to know what your suspicions are about Beverly…Well, OK, Ruth, you dragged it out of me: Beverly is actually Giles’ long-lost twin, who was sent to America as an infant to avoid being captured by the Pharaoh. Wait, that’s a different story…Anyway, I’ll be very curious to compare notes as this progresses!



Again, Ruth, I have to say how much I appreciate your feedback. It’s always incredibly thoughtful and perceptive. Rock on, m’lady!



Domaris: Thanks for the kind words, Domaris! It’s fun to write the group interactions, b/c when it goes well it kinda feels like all I have to do is sit back and observe and try not to get in their way. And Xander’s hunger…I think we can all understand it, you know? Hope you enjoy where this goes!



Debra: Feeling sober? Feeling like Anya? Feeling Anya herself? (Probably not, I’m guessing…) I thought you’d enjoy the exhortation to jump on the Clue Train, courtesy of our li’l ex-demon…Loved your question about what Rupert’s parents considered before settling on that one. You know, I can’t see Willow as anything but a Willow, and that’s largely true of the other characters, with the exception of Buffy herself. I totally get the campy aspect of it, but it’s still a goofy name…And of course I know you love women, but it just seemed that Anya would use a phrase such as "likes women," you know?



Yeah, I figured everyone would know that the aunt would reappear at some point, in one locale or another. As I said above, I just couldn’t take our women out of SD at a time like this, so I brought the aunt to them. Glad you enjoyed the Xander/Willow exchange—it was definitely fun to write!



Thanks for the good thoughts, Debra, and congrats on your sequel. It’s definitely off to a great start!



Sela: Glad to make you smile, especially if work-site smiling is more exception than rule. I really do love your signature, so it was fun to use.



I have to say, your entire paragraph in consideration of balancing the Maclays and Glory, Tara’s reaction to Glory’s mental violation, and the implications of Beverly’s visit captured a great deal of my thinking about the next update. Actually, the first element has been a juggling act throughout this; the second two, though, pretty much sum up my own reflections on what happens how. In fact, at the top of the page outlining this next chapter, I have in all caps, "What does Aunt Beverly know?" I’ll be curious to read your reaction to how I answer that question.



Choices, choices, choices indeed, Sela…Every choice has consequence, only some of which are even remotely predictable. And what prompts those choices? Past experience, and belief (or lack thereof) that a certain course of action will bring about closeness, affection, love? A sense of personal resignation or doom or fear? Does the person even realize that she/he is making a choice, esp. when that choice is made repeatedly, over time and/or when the person begins to make that choice as a child (i.e., Donnie’s abuse)? You have an excellent sense of what compels me to write these characters in these situations, Sela, and it’s just part of what makes me value your feedback so very much.



Glad you liked the shout-out—it was definitely written with affection.



Grimaldi: Yeah, I think a lot of people are both glad to see Tara’s aunt arrive in order to illuminate some things and worried that she may not realize what she’s gotten herself into. Glad you enjoyed the exchanges at Giles’—I certainly enjoyed writing them. Thanks for following this story so regularly, Grimaldi.



That’s all for now, folks. Thanks again.

Mary




AntigoneUnbound
 


Re: Part 30

Postby jixer » Thu Jun 05, 2003 3:19 pm

Hello Kittens-



Willow's observations about Giles and the Summers girls interaction was wonderful. Tara's aunt showing up was unexpected and a classic horror misdirection. That alone makes me suspicious because you've been too clever by half in the past.



Tara's fear about being brain sucked and the hopelessness of it really freaks me a bit. It's something she can't handle. Is there more to it than her own experiences in the last frew days or is it a reaction to her lifelong images being changed? Either way I'm wondering where you're going to take us with that inner dread. I know it will make me go :eek



First brownies and then Oreos. What message is in this recurring sweets theme? Comfort food could be dangerous? Sandwich cookies are a erotic metaphor for W/T love? Mary desperately needs chocolate? All I really know is I hope Willow gets to finish off her cookie. :)



Thank you for this wonderful tale.



Jixer

jixer
 


Re: Replies to Feedback

Postby The Rose24 » Thu Jun 05, 2003 8:58 pm

Ugh!!! How can you leave it like this?



Quote:
I've had my mind used and abused enough in my life.




WOW. These are powerful words coming from Tara. It makes me wonder if you are going to alter the happenings in season five. :hmm

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


Edited by: The Rose24  at: 6/5/03 7:59 pm
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Re: Part 30

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Jun 06, 2003 4:39 pm

Hey Kittens~~It is w/ much sadness that I report I'm not able to go to Moonlight Rising this weekend. The finances just proved unrealistic. While I certainly enjoy the autonomy and flexibility of being in private practice, the financial precariousness (at least in this, my first year going solo) is a real PITA. Those of you who are going, please enjoy it a little extra for me!



Jixer:
You know, a lot of people have noted Tara's very singular reaction to Glory's particular brand of horror. Makes ya wonder where I'm going with it, doesn't it...Well, Jixer, if you must know, I'm going to have Glory inadvertently swap Tara's mind w/ Xander's, leading to all sorts of crazy misunderstandings and wacky hi-jinks...(or, for you in particular, hi-jixers). I'm glad you're enjoying this story~~you always give such thoughtful feedback, and express it so eloquently. I really appreciate it.



Oh--nice catch on the sweets fixation! That's what happens when you write on an empty stomach. (If those tomato plants of yours are bearing, maybe I could hit you up for some, since my part of the US is currently under about 10" of rain, it seems, such that I've decided to make my entire garden into a rice paddy.)



Thanks again, Jixer!



Rose: Hey Rose--hope you like where and how Aunt Beverly fits into this story. (I'm thinking of making her Willow's biological mother, just to shake things up even more...) Thanks for following this story.



Have a great weekend, Kittens. I'll be back on Monday, for anyone even remotely interested in such information.



Mary


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