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Postby AutumnT » Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:21 pm

And it will probably be DeKnight since he blamed "the lesbians" for technical problems during his radio interview. Yeah that was me pulling the plug asshole.

Oopsie. Residual DeKnight bitter.
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Postby friskylez » Wed Jun 26, 2002 9:14 pm

Wow didnt realize the kittens or the lesbians wielded such power, first, as relative girl says, the fires that came from heaven to destroy the sinners and now the lesbian emmy snafu...The kittens, the lesbians and the bad karma :lol
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 26, 2002 9:40 pm

Unless it's all an ME plot to generate extra publicity and increase JW's chances. After all: ME? Misinformation? Deceit? :evil
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Postby urnofosiris » Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:57 pm

Ruth :laugh , that would actually make me watch again.:p
I have to agree with Epicurus though, Whedon does deserve and Emmy for OMWF I feel, just like he did for Hush or the Body, but well I also feel he is just getting what he needs and not what he wants, because all the past scoffing by him and his own aside I am sure the guy really wants an Emmy, and yeah, I know what he wants, just as he knows what I need. Well he is not getting it, color me sad. I do hope they win in the acting catagories finally, no matter how I feel about the show now or some of the characters, they have a brilliant cast, they deserve all the recognition they are given.
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Postby WebWarlock » Thu Jun 27, 2002 3:47 am

The only problem I have with blaming the lesbians for this is I don't get to share in the blame/glory of it! ;)

This story is now on SciFi wire as well. They are really getting to be the only place I check for SciFi realted news. Much better than Wanker and Jerc, I mean Wanda and Herc.

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Postby EffieBlue » Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:22 am

I thought De Knight blamed the canadians for everything.....oh ..OH...Canadian Lesbians!!...they must have done it...

As for filming in London....heheheheeee...there's lots of Lesbian bus drivers in London............Watch your back Joss....
Oh and shame about the Emmy.....
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Postby KathleenWolf » Thu Jun 27, 2002 8:29 am

If DeKnight want to pick a fight with Canadian Lesbians... I'm more than willing to give him a right good ass kicking from one side of our great land to the next for any small or large part he had in killing off Tara and the horrible seventh season... and we are an awful big place so watch out!

:D

okay there's my rage
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Postby tommo » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:04 am

Autumn, I know entirely what you were getting at love. I remember that ill-fated programme about the US Embassy in London often had the protagonist going for long walks by the Thames with the Houses of Parliament and Big Ben looming across the river. ;)

And I would like to see a scene on top of a London bus actually...

WILLOW: (staring into space) Gone. She's gone. And I'm empty.

GILES: (impatiently) Yes yes...oh look Willow! They're changing the guard at the palace! (whips out his instamatic) I have so missed the pomp and circumstance. (begins snapping away)

WILLOW: (throwing herself off the top of the bus) Goodbye cruel world...Tara, I'm coming baby...wait for me...

GILES: Oh do snap out of...(looks around) Oh. She's gone. (shrugs) Oh well. Never mind. Oooh, Big Ben! (begins snapping away again)

I could go on. But really, there's no need. Sigh.
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Postby Warduke » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:09 am

Rofl Ruth :lol
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Postby Willowlicious » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:14 am

LOL! That's too funny, Ruth. :D
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Postby xita » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:18 am

Ruth I love you :lol
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Postby AutumnT » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:28 am

LOL Ruth. But yeah that's what I mean. Why in the world fly everyone to the UK just to shoot Willow trying to slit her wrists in Tony Head's loo? She should at least try and drown her sorrows at the Nag's Head pub first in Covent Garden and then try to jump out of the Tower of London or something. Just so we can all say "Oh look, Willow's trying to kill herself in England. How very quaint of her."
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Postby drlloyd11 » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:28 am

Somewhere Joss is crumpling up his first draft, looking for spies, and mumbling "stupid lesbians"...
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Postby AutumnT » Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:42 am

There's a clip of a Joss interview at the Saturn Awards up and based on it I really think he is feeling the audience response to what he did this season. When asked about the theme of season 6 he said:[quote:bd59c82c28][b:bd59c82c28][i:bd59c82c28]Quote:[/i:bd59c82c28][/b:bd59c82c28]
Get really depressed... I think we made people want to kill themselves and avoid our TV show...a lot of people really didn't want to go there with us.
[/quote:bd59c82c28] Then again lots of stressing about next season will be different and girl power and all that.
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Postby tommo » Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:47 am

Oh Joss schmoss. Really, I don't see the friggin' point in flying everyone to the UK either, seeing as ASH lives nowhere near anywhere remotely recognisable to English people, never mind bloody Americans...

I think Joss wants a holiday. Oh, and let's not forget, English people are gentler than normal people.

Yeah. Right. Sure they are.

Me. Joss. Trafalgar Square. Pigeons. That's all I'm sayin'. ;)
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:13 pm

[quote:0829e2daad][b:0829e2daad][i:0829e2daad]Quote:[/i:0829e2daad][/b:0829e2daad]
Get really depressed... I think we made people want to kill themselves and avoid our TV show...a lot of people really didn't want to go there with us.
[/quote:0829e2daad]

Gee, Joss, it took ya how long to figure that one out? :rolleyes Hope you're doing some serious thinking about how you're gonna get those fans who have started avoiding the show back. Also hope you're really paying attention to what drove them away in the first place. (Ya know, like, killing Tara, totally degrading and destroying both Buffy and Willow) Many of us have quite enough pain in our lives without the shows we turn to for entertainment and an uplifting message adding to that pain.
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Postby Kendahl897 » Fri Jun 28, 2002 4:14 pm

Well, if he wants our small minority back in the fold then all he has to do is bring back Tara..If you give the viewers what they want, they will watch your show. But don't ever be so arrogant as to tell me what I need. I need alot of things, but another dead and/or destroyed lesbian on TV is not one of them....and don't send your minions out there to lie to me..THAT is not how you treat your loyal fans who spend time and money on your product
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Postby lindabarlow » Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:40 pm

Back home again finally after spending a couple of weeks in LA at a family funeral and having the responsibility of going through all our deceased relative's things... anyway, I was at the Buffy Behind the Scenes thing but computer deprived in a hotel for 10 days. I did manage to write up a report which someone reposted here (back on page 13). Here are a few more details...better late than never.

I didn't try to post to the Kitten bb from the hotel because frankly there didn't seem to me to be much in the way of good news to report on the Willow/Tara front. No questions were taken from the audience, so it was impossible to actually confront Joss or Marti on season 6 failures. When the question came up about Tara's death, it was my personal impression that Joss was defensive and perhaps rather tired of the subject (as in, "oh not, not ANOTHER why did you kill off Tara question?). He and Marti admitted that Tara's death had proved very controversial, but they did not address the lesbian cliche, although it was pretty clear (to me at least!) that this is what they were referring to.

In keeping with some of the other remarks they had made about the increased realism of season 6 and the reduction in the use of metaphor (this had come up in regard to Buffy/Spike non-romantic sex) they reiterated that they'd intended to show that death on BtVS is not always the demon/vampire staking variety, but something real and painful. That people you love can die, and no one is safe. That death can come suddenly, in a mundane way. That guns are bad and "good for nothing." That someone's last words, "your shirt?" can also be mundane, no closure, the way death too often happens in real life. As JM was quoted in another interview (about being required to act a rape scene, something he said that he would have ordinarily refused to do) "this (Joss's creative vision) is not a safe place."

The cast seemed genuinely saddened by Tara's death. All the actors were very appealing onstage, and Aly, in particular, looked lovely. I was struck with how similar she seems to be to Willow, with many of the same gestures and intonations. (This was somewhat true also of Nick Brendan, but less true of JM, who doesn't seem much like Spike at all). Joss encouraged audience applause for her performance as Dark Magic Willow, but Aly herself seemed a bit embarrassed at this. She denied that she knew where the plot line was going and said she was surprised, and rather worried, when she saw from the end of season scripts that Willow was really going evil. She knew something was up when her make-up calls were scheduled for an hour earlier than usual. Aly was not as vocal as some of the other cast members (especially Brendan), but whenever she spoke, she did so with that special charm that Willow, as a character, has always possessed. She has a quiet, feminine charisma that is very appealing.

BTW, someone quoted Joss as saying, at one point, "I didn't hire dogs." I believe what he actually said was "I didn't hire trolls." This was in the discussion about the excellent work done by the Director of Photography (who was one of the members of the panel), who, according to James, always makes the actors look good. Joss was complimenting the cast on their general good looks, and they *did* all look terrific. As did Alex Denisof, who was in the audience (he and Aly are really cute together).

Some of Joss's comments were supposed to be witty, but didn't come out that way, I thought. Generally, Joss did not come across as well as the rest of the group (yeah, even Marti came across better). IMO, he's a very complex personality -- both friendly and arrogant, self-deprecating yet confident, funny, yet defensive. In general he couches everything he says in little jests and ironies, making it difficult to be entirely sure that anything he says is serious, much less absolute. He was pretty rude to my partner outside in front of the building when he complimented Joss on the show, but, OTOH, one can't really expect him to be courteous to every stranger who accosts him with compliments. It's seems worth noting, though, that everyone else in the cast (and James was the only one I managed to meet, although I got very close to Nick, Michelle and Aly) went out of their way to be friendly and polite.

They really didn't give away anything about next year, with the one exception of the Sunnydale High reopening spoiler. I think it's absolutely true that Joss 1. doesn't tell anyone anything in advance...they pretty much do not know what's happening except in very broad terms until they see scripts, and 2. he comes down hard on anyone who breathes a word of what they *do* know. After Joss announced the reopening of Sunnydale High, Aly commented that she'd be dead if she'd told anybody something like that.

I took some pics, but they haven't been developed yet because of my trip. Actually, I got yelled at by the official event photographer for taking pics during the show, but if there's anything good, I'll post them when I get them.

Also, thanks to BBOvenguy and his website of Buffy location shoots. My partner and I took one afternoon off from our estate executor duties to drive around to some of the places where Bob had reported various location shoots -- it was a great change of pace and a lot of fun for someone who lives 3000 miles away from LA.

Sorry I don't have any good news to report.

--Linda
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Postby areslei » Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:56 pm

Joss...you're a bastard. Actually, that doesn't even begin it. Depressed about season 6?...um, well, hell...I don't know where that came from. I mean, it was such a pippy-cheery season..y'know...with Tara getting killed off, Willow going evil, everything shot to hell...why would people want to kill themselves or avoid the show? My God, he's a fucking genious. And those lies? Gosh those were funny. Asshole.

Ruth, you are fucking hilarious. Poor Willow...ending it all by throwing herself from the bus. Course, it's better than having her back in Sunnydale, huddled in a corner in a fetal position, mumbling prayers and curses to a little yellow crayola. ;)
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Postby xita » Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:42 pm

for what it is worthy joss was not friendly when i met him.
thanks for the report lindabarlow!
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Postby slayer747 » Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:53 pm

[b:2dabd3bffd] for what it is worthy joss was not friendly when i met him. [/b:2dabd3bffd]

well, i suppose that is a natural thing for assholes who fuck up their own tv shows...
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Postby AutumnT » Fri Jun 28, 2002 7:50 pm

Thanks for sharing Linda, it is appreciated.
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Postby Gatito Grande » Fri Jun 28, 2002 7:57 pm

[quote:2809b9dd2b][b:2809b9dd2b][i:2809b9dd2b]Quote:[/i:2809b9dd2b][/b:2809b9dd2b]
In general he couches everything he says in little jests and ironies, making it difficult to be entirely sure that anything he says is serious, much less absolute.
[/quote:2809b9dd2b]

I think Drew Greenburg nailed the Essential Joss. From [i:2809b9dd2b] Entropy[/i:2809b9dd2b]:

ANYA: No, the mature solution is for you to spend your whole life telling stupid, pointless jokes, so that no one will notice that you are just a scared, insecure little boy!

GG [i:2809b9dd2b] He said "I didn't hire trolls?" Guess it takes one to know one![/i:2809b9dd2b] :mad Out
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:08 pm

Oh yeah, it's definitely occurred to me before how well that line describes Joss.
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Postby thehighpriestess » Sat Jun 29, 2002 5:50 am

I'm hoping I'm sticking this in the right thread, if not, I'm sorry! As far as I know the UK scenes have not yet been filmed, but I may have the opportunity to get some work in the scenes, with a report for you guys! However, to do so, I need to find out who the production company are that are doing the scenes over here. Does anyone have any ideas who this would be or where I could find out?

Thanks!
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Postby AutumnT » Sat Jun 29, 2002 6:53 am

My guess would be it would be whoever they were talking about doing [i:db1ea5c866] Ripper[/i:db1ea5c866] with because they would already have a relationship with them, so that would be a good place to start. Would you be our "English Sheep Mysterioso?"
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Postby thehighpriestess » Sat Jun 29, 2002 11:10 am

Autumn T - thanks for the help, I'll try them!

"English Sheep Mysterioso" ? can I be the little covert spy? If I can get some work on the set, I'll be able to fill you all in on the goings on - all accept that which they make me sign over my soul for incase I tell!

Thanks again, I'm sure you'll hear if I find them!
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